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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 19:50 - Sep 25 by Gwyn737
I suppose for a real two tier comparison we need to if those idiots from Palestine Action have pervious convictions for house breaking and kidnapping at knife point.
This is in no way a comment on the Thomas sentencing which needs looking at imo. More that if we’re going to effectively call out two tier justice then crimes an perpetrators need to be comparable.
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 21:20 - Sep 25 by Gwyn737
I’m not trying to defend the actions towards Thomas. Just pointing out that it’s not really a direct comparison.
I suppose whether he presents a risk in further protests or actions is subjective. I assume his social media presence and the rhetoric he used counts against him. Certainly it’s more public and high profile than the Bristol idiots. They didn’t have a load of men in balaclavas marching on their police station either.
As for a wider context, I do find it surprising that the person refused bail will end up with a far shorter sentence than the PA three. It can only assume this is down to the risk posed on release as alluded to above.
As for non compliance with bail conditions, that’s subjective too. The PA 3 as far as I’m aware did not breach the bail conditions so with hindsight could be deemed the correct call. We’ll never know with Thomas which I can see can be viewed as problematic.
In regard to personal circumstances dictating bail, it’s something I don’t know about. I assume it’s lumped in with the balance of risk but happy to be corrected.
[Post edited 25 Sep 21:22]
I haven't been thinking so much of the single case, as a series of cases that suggest differential, extra tough treatment for anti-migrant direct action. Neither Danny Thomas nor Tommy Robinson are my cup of tea as I don't like black clothes and masks Notwithstanding that, I do think they are right about some things. Moreover, I was surprised when I looked at one of Thomas's recent Youtube videos to see that he keeps emphasising that protest should be non-violent.
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(No subject) (n/t) on 22:19 - Sep 25 with 1327 views
(No subject) (n/t) on 15:48 - Sep 25 by JACKMANANDBOY
[Post edited 25 Sep 21:12]
Despite what some sections of the media and social media would have us believe, there’s a bit more to the offence than just throwing a plastic bottle.
Somerville pleaded guilty to Violent Disorder, the offence occurs when three or more people are present together and use or threaten unlawful violence. Their combined conduct must be enough to make a hypothetical person of "reasonable firmness" at the scene fear for their safety.
Somerville who was at the front of the protestors, threw the bottle, shouted abuse and swore at the police and pushed his way through the police line. He also admitted a charge of assaulting a constable Which will be dealt with at Magistrates Court next week.
Back in 2011 after the Mark Duggan shooting, London experienced riots which were copied in other cities. Starmer (who was the DPP at the time) didn’t think people would "gamble on the length of sentence" that they might face, but on whether they will be caught and sent to prison. If people are seeing others being arrested, hauled before the courts and sentenced in quick time they are far more likely to think twice about going out and joining in. Seeing other people get banged up with a hefty sentence, potentially losing their jobs etc would be enough to make a lot of people think twice about getting involved and that tactic worked. The riots dissipated almost overnight.
The same tactics were used are being used again now, the offenders are being arrested and where the evidence exists they are being put before the Court.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 22:50 - Sep 25 with 1314 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 18:31 - Sep 25 by Gwyn737
From AI:
The differences in how the courts handled Daniel Thomas ("Danny Tommo") compared to the Palestine Action protesters come down to specific legal criteria used for bail decisions, rather than the political nature of the causes.While the comparison on social media points out that both involved allegations of criminal damage, English courts evaluate bail by assessing the individual risks posed by the defendant before their trial.The three primary reasons the legal outcomes differed include:1. Risk of Reoffending and Past RecordUnder the Bail Act 1976, a court is far more likely to remand a defendant in custody if there is a substantial risk they will commit further offences while on bail.Daniel Thomas: Thomas has a history of active involvement and organization in volatile public protests. The prosecution argued that his recent actions—allegedly traveling out into the English Channel to intercept and damage a boat—demonstrated a high risk of continued, escalating disruption if he were released.Palestine Action Protesters: While their actions involved direct action and criminal damage against corporate property, individuals without extensive or recent records of failing to comply with court orders are routinely granted bail, often with strict conditions (such as exclusion zones or curfews) to mitigate the risk of them returning to the site.2. Nature of the Alleged Offence and Public SafetyCourts view criminal damage differently based on where it occurs and what else is involved.The Channel Incident: The allegation against Thomas involves boarding a vessel in the English Channel while an emergency responder was present. Actions taken at sea introduce significant safety risks to life, which elevates the perceived severity and public safety risk of the offence in the eyes of the magistrate.The Roof Protest: Climbing onto a factory roof to cause property damage, while illegal and dangerous, is treated by the courts as a localized protest against a commercial entity rather than an act that immediately threatens life or emergency operations at sea.3. Compliance with Police (The PIN Charge)Cooperation with basic legal procedures heavily influences a judge's assessment of whether a defendant will respect court orders.Thomas faces an additional charge of failing to disclose his mobile phone PIN to the police. Refusing to comply with lawful data access requirements signals to a court that a defendant may not comply with bail conditions or the judicial process, making a remand in custody much more likely.
Indeed.
Thomas is no angel. He has come to police attention for his involvement in protests on a number of occasions in recent years.
In 2019, Thomas was arrested while taking part in a counter-rally to an anti-Trump protest outside Buckingham Palace.
After the Southport stabbing, Thomas is reported to have told his social media followers "Every city needs to go up".
In April 2026, Thomas is reported promoted protests in Epsom after it had been falsely claimed online that a woman had been gang-rape.
In June 2026, Thomas travelled to Belfast during the 2026 Northern Ireland riots.
In August 2026, Thomas pleaded guilty at Margate Magistrates' Court to one charge and not guilty to another five charges, relating to attempts he allegedly made to film asylum seekers who had been rescued from small boats in the English Channel as they were landed at the Port of Dover. He’s due back in Court in October in relation to the 5 outstanding offences.
In July 2016, Thomas pleaded guilty to attempting to kidnap a man at knifepoint. Thomas, along with two others, burst into the man's house armed with knives, shouting "You're coming with us". The group falsely alleged that the man had stolen £10,000 worth of drugs from them.
Given all the above, I think it’s pretty clear why the police and Court remanded him in Custody.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 23:03 - Sep 25 with 1311 views
We never seem to hear of any of these leftist protestors or the Palestinian protestors getting arrested and jailed , why is that I wonder......
Why is it that those who have deep concerns about as to where this country is heading are all called far right by this utterly useless Leftist government and the great unwashed, those in Swansea this week were aggressive and shouting abuse, where were the hoards of police that day, I passed some on Mumbles Rd going to a job standing on the edge of the pavement stretching out with their Palestinian flags at passing vehicles, absolute idiots and dangerous.
[Post edited 26 Sep 11:41]
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 00:34 - Sep 26 with 1277 views
I have read today of a 27 year old Syrian man who has been charged with rape of a 15 year old girl and sexual assault of another at a hotel in Kenilworth Warwicks. He has been granted bail until the hearing in August next year . Two tier right there.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 01:59 - Sep 26 with 1257 views
He has passed his ideas onto this next more concered on my Public Image and keeping my voting demographic onside . lets keep them happy even if The UK is falling apart .
I am starting to dislike this wet cabbage as our leader on a daily basis now .
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 22:06 - Sep 25 by AnotherJohn
I haven't been thinking so much of the single case, as a series of cases that suggest differential, extra tough treatment for anti-migrant direct action. Neither Danny Thomas nor Tommy Robinson are my cup of tea as I don't like black clothes and masks Notwithstanding that, I do think they are right about some things. Moreover, I was surprised when I looked at one of Thomas's recent Youtube videos to see that he keeps emphasising that protest should be non-violent.
I don’t necessarily disagree.
But to have that covesrsatipn, people using two non comparable cases isn’t always very helpful.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 07:01 - Sep 26 with 1202 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 22:50 - Sep 25 by majorraglan
Indeed.
Thomas is no angel. He has come to police attention for his involvement in protests on a number of occasions in recent years.
In 2019, Thomas was arrested while taking part in a counter-rally to an anti-Trump protest outside Buckingham Palace.
After the Southport stabbing, Thomas is reported to have told his social media followers "Every city needs to go up".
In April 2026, Thomas is reported promoted protests in Epsom after it had been falsely claimed online that a woman had been gang-rape.
In June 2026, Thomas travelled to Belfast during the 2026 Northern Ireland riots.
In August 2026, Thomas pleaded guilty at Margate Magistrates' Court to one charge and not guilty to another five charges, relating to attempts he allegedly made to film asylum seekers who had been rescued from small boats in the English Channel as they were landed at the Port of Dover. He’s due back in Court in October in relation to the 5 outstanding offences.
In July 2016, Thomas pleaded guilty to attempting to kidnap a man at knifepoint. Thomas, along with two others, burst into the man's house armed with knives, shouting "You're coming with us". The group falsely alleged that the man had stolen £10,000 worth of drugs from them.
Given all the above, I think it’s pretty clear why the police and Court remanded him in Custody.
Things seem to me to get a bit murky when judges consider not just previous convictions, but past interactions with the police, charges that never materialised, prosecutions that are still in process and media reportage. I think attention to what was said in court would be the way to assess what the reasoning was in denying bail in this case.
In past threads some posters on the forum have argued that there is no basis for claims of two-tier justice, and we must respect that argument to the extent that it can be supported. However, my sense is that a series of cases over time is making the claim look shaky. I suppose readers must decide for themselves.
The Secret Barrister has been mentioned in previous threads on two-tier justice, and I've been waiting to see what he has to say about this case. Actually, he has been strangely quiet in 2026 apart from explaining (defending?) the not guilty verdict in the PA Elbit Systems case, and criticizing Lammy's proposal to limit jury trial. However, at the risk of digressing, I found his explanation of the difficulty of establishing criminal damage in the PA case interesting if applied in other contexts.
'Criminal damage
Criminal damage is defined in the nattily-titled Criminal Damage Act 1971. Section 1(1) provides:
“A person who without lawful excuse destroys or damages any property belonging to another intending to damage any such property or being reckless as to whether any such property would be destroyed or damaged shall be guilty of an offence.”
The prosecution therefore has to prove the following:
The Defendant damaged property;
The property belonged to another;
The Defendant intended to damage the property or was reckless as to whether it would be damaged; and
The Defendant did not have a lawful excuse for damaging the property..'
I wonder how the SB thinks this will play out in the Thomas case.
[Post edited 26 Sep 7:17]
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 07:20 - Sep 26 with 1183 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 07:01 - Sep 26 by AnotherJohn
Things seem to me to get a bit murky when judges consider not just previous convictions, but past interactions with the police, charges that never materialised, prosecutions that are still in process and media reportage. I think attention to what was said in court would be the way to assess what the reasoning was in denying bail in this case.
In past threads some posters on the forum have argued that there is no basis for claims of two-tier justice, and we must respect that argument to the extent that it can be supported. However, my sense is that a series of cases over time is making the claim look shaky. I suppose readers must decide for themselves.
The Secret Barrister has been mentioned in previous threads on two-tier justice, and I've been waiting to see what he has to say about this case. Actually, he has been strangely quiet in 2026 apart from explaining (defending?) the not guilty verdict in the PA Elbit Systems case, and criticizing Lammy's proposal to limit jury trial. However, at the risk of digressing, I found his explanation of the difficulty of establishing criminal damage in the PA case interesting if applied in other contexts.
'Criminal damage
Criminal damage is defined in the nattily-titled Criminal Damage Act 1971. Section 1(1) provides:
“A person who without lawful excuse destroys or damages any property belonging to another intending to damage any such property or being reckless as to whether any such property would be destroyed or damaged shall be guilty of an offence.”
The prosecution therefore has to prove the following:
The Defendant damaged property;
The property belonged to another;
The Defendant intended to damage the property or was reckless as to whether it would be damaged; and
The Defendant did not have a lawful excuse for damaging the property..'
I wonder how the SB thinks this will play out in the Thomas case.
[Post edited 26 Sep 7:17]
Sadly, since the publication of their books has ramped up, the Secret Barrister has been quite full stop.
Shame as it was a very useful account.
Sirjohnalot was a great poster for a while on here but he kept getting told he was wrong.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 09:19 - Sep 26 with 1130 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 23:03 - Sep 25 by max936
We never seem to hear of any of these leftist protestors or the Palestinian protestors getting arrested and jailed , why is that I wonder......
Why is it that those who have deep concerns about as to where this country is heading are all called far right by this utterly useless Leftist government and the great unwashed, those in Swansea this week were aggressive and shouting abuse, where were the hoards of police that day, I passed some on Mumbles Rd going to a job standing on the edge of the pavement stretching out with their Palestinian flags at passing vehicles, absolute idiots and dangerous.
[Post edited 26 Sep 11:41]
In the last year or so, 3,500 connected to Palestinian Action have been arrested and about a third of them have been charged.
This doesn’t get anything like the traction of the ‘man jailed for throwing a bottle’ stories.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 09:36 - Sep 26 with 1122 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 00:34 - Sep 26 by howenjack
I have read today of a 27 year old Syrian man who has been charged with rape of a 15 year old girl and sexual assault of another at a hotel in Kenilworth Warwicks. He has been granted bail until the hearing in August next year . Two tier right there.
Given bail for the charge of rape on an underage girl and sexual assault on another is unfxxxingbelievable, whilst Danny Thomas remains locked up apparently, this country has gone FME's
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 17:47 - Sep 26 with 1010 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 17:16 - Sep 26 by max936
Given bail for the charge of rape on an underage girl and sexual assault on another is unfxxxingbelievable, whilst Danny Thomas remains locked up apparently, this country has gone FME's
I beg public-spirited people not to slash the tyres of a ram raiders getaway car otherwise they could end up having the same punishment as a person who punctures a criminal gangs boat that had been recently involved in extremely serious criminal activity!!!!
Argus!
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 18:39 - Sep 26 with 984 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 07:01 - Sep 26 by AnotherJohn
Things seem to me to get a bit murky when judges consider not just previous convictions, but past interactions with the police, charges that never materialised, prosecutions that are still in process and media reportage. I think attention to what was said in court would be the way to assess what the reasoning was in denying bail in this case.
In past threads some posters on the forum have argued that there is no basis for claims of two-tier justice, and we must respect that argument to the extent that it can be supported. However, my sense is that a series of cases over time is making the claim look shaky. I suppose readers must decide for themselves.
The Secret Barrister has been mentioned in previous threads on two-tier justice, and I've been waiting to see what he has to say about this case. Actually, he has been strangely quiet in 2026 apart from explaining (defending?) the not guilty verdict in the PA Elbit Systems case, and criticizing Lammy's proposal to limit jury trial. However, at the risk of digressing, I found his explanation of the difficulty of establishing criminal damage in the PA case interesting if applied in other contexts.
'Criminal damage
Criminal damage is defined in the nattily-titled Criminal Damage Act 1971. Section 1(1) provides:
“A person who without lawful excuse destroys or damages any property belonging to another intending to damage any such property or being reckless as to whether any such property would be destroyed or damaged shall be guilty of an offence.”
The prosecution therefore has to prove the following:
The Defendant damaged property;
The property belonged to another;
The Defendant intended to damage the property or was reckless as to whether it would be damaged; and
The Defendant did not have a lawful excuse for damaging the property..'
I wonder how the SB thinks this will play out in the Thomas case.
[Post edited 26 Sep 7:17]
Justice is down to interpretation and obfuscation We are at the mercy of lawyers who when politicians pass laws deliberately nebulous so they can “ interpret” definitions It’s a closed shop
It’s political
Nowadays it’s all about the “far right” which is us
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 09:52 - Sep 26 by Gwyn737
The right wing protesters tend to be arrested more for violent disorder so more likely to get jail terms.
and yet have you seen how the left leaning behave and have behaved throughout the past 2 years or so .Jow many case of rape have seen the rapist let off with a caution/suspeneded sentannce and in my mind has to be the top of any violence chart imaginable.Of course theres two tier policing ,sentencing regardless of comparable or not offences.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 19:20 - Sep 26 with 971 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 18:44 - Sep 26 by Boundy
and yet have you seen how the left leaning behave and have behaved throughout the past 2 years or so .Jow many case of rape have seen the rapist let off with a caution/suspeneded sentannce and in my mind has to be the top of any violence chart imaginable.Of course theres two tier policing ,sentencing regardless of comparable or not offences.
For me the far right is our own hope Right now we screwed And we know it
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 18:44 - Sep 26 by Boundy
and yet have you seen how the left leaning behave and have behaved throughout the past 2 years or so .Jow many case of rape have seen the rapist let off with a caution/suspeneded sentannce and in my mind has to be the top of any violence chart imaginable.Of course theres two tier policing ,sentencing regardless of comparable or not offences.
Again. Completely different crimes so incomparable.
It looks to me that there are some issues around punishments to protestors that need looking at.
Getting that sorted isn’t helped by looking at a totally unrelated crime and saying ‘what about this?’
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 22:14 - Sep 26 with 912 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 21:13 - Sep 26 by Gwyn737
Again. Completely different crimes so incomparable.
It looks to me that there are some issues around punishments to protestors that need looking at.
Getting that sorted isn’t helped by looking at a totally unrelated crime and saying ‘what about this?’
Totally unrelated crimes? Some of the cases people have been comparing with Thomas's case involved precisely the same offence - criminal damage under section 1(1) of the 1971 Act. What you have been talking about are context and previous convictions, but differences there do not mean a different offence. A given offence has its tariff set out in the sentencing guidelines, subject to any modifying facctors mentioned in the guidelines that may adjust the tariff..
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 06:53 - Sep 27 with 833 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 22:14 - Sep 26 by AnotherJohn
Totally unrelated crimes? Some of the cases people have been comparing with Thomas's case involved precisely the same offence - criminal damage under section 1(1) of the 1971 Act. What you have been talking about are context and previous convictions, but differences there do not mean a different offence. A given offence has its tariff set out in the sentencing guidelines, subject to any modifying facctors mentioned in the guidelines that may adjust the tariff..
[Post edited 27 Sep 5:02]
I was responding to a post that compared a rape.
Do you think it’s helpful to say Thomas shouldn’t have been remanded because historically a rapist wasn’t?
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 08:31 - Sep 27 with 802 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 18:31 - Sep 25 by Gwyn737
From AI:
The differences in how the courts handled Daniel Thomas ("Danny Tommo") compared to the Palestine Action protesters come down to specific legal criteria used for bail decisions, rather than the political nature of the causes.While the comparison on social media points out that both involved allegations of criminal damage, English courts evaluate bail by assessing the individual risks posed by the defendant before their trial.The three primary reasons the legal outcomes differed include:1. Risk of Reoffending and Past RecordUnder the Bail Act 1976, a court is far more likely to remand a defendant in custody if there is a substantial risk they will commit further offences while on bail.Daniel Thomas: Thomas has a history of active involvement and organization in volatile public protests. The prosecution argued that his recent actions—allegedly traveling out into the English Channel to intercept and damage a boat—demonstrated a high risk of continued, escalating disruption if he were released.Palestine Action Protesters: While their actions involved direct action and criminal damage against corporate property, individuals without extensive or recent records of failing to comply with court orders are routinely granted bail, often with strict conditions (such as exclusion zones or curfews) to mitigate the risk of them returning to the site.2. Nature of the Alleged Offence and Public SafetyCourts view criminal damage differently based on where it occurs and what else is involved.The Channel Incident: The allegation against Thomas involves boarding a vessel in the English Channel while an emergency responder was present. Actions taken at sea introduce significant safety risks to life, which elevates the perceived severity and public safety risk of the offence in the eyes of the magistrate.The Roof Protest: Climbing onto a factory roof to cause property damage, while illegal and dangerous, is treated by the courts as a localized protest against a commercial entity rather than an act that immediately threatens life or emergency operations at sea.3. Compliance with Police (The PIN Charge)Cooperation with basic legal procedures heavily influences a judge's assessment of whether a defendant will respect court orders.Thomas faces an additional charge of failing to disclose his mobile phone PIN to the police. Refusing to comply with lawful data access requirements signals to a court that a defendant may not comply with bail conditions or the judicial process, making a remand in custody much more likely.
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