| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want 17:30 - Oct 19 with 1106 views | KeithHaynes |
Is in Cambridge Crown for a series of charges.
Nice adult points of view please, it is after all current news. |  |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 17:35 - Oct 19 with 1088 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I don’t understand how he can possibly claim with a straight face that he didn’t attempt to murder the 14 people he plunged a knife into.
His defence are taking the piss. |  |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 19:11 - Oct 19 with 971 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
A long list of serious offences admitted to, looks like the defence were trying to avoid the attempted murder charges?
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:12 - Oct 19 with 914 views | SullutaCreturned |
With that many charges and all the attempted murder, if he's found guilty (how could he not be...waits for the mental health defence!) he should never come out of prison, but then, how many of his sentences will be set to run concurrently.
I'll say this too, concurrent sentences atre a complete cop out (excuse the pun) and should never, ever be used again. Do the crime, do the time, all of it. We need more prisons for serious criminals. |  | | |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:16 - Oct 19 with 908 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 17:35 - Oct 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I don’t understand how he can possibly claim with a straight face that he didn’t attempt to murder the 14 people he plunged a knife into.
His defence are taking the piss. |
“ everyone is entitled to the best defence possible”
Our former barrister contributor posted that
I’ve been “ hammered” before for saying this But I shall repeat…
Lawyers have to leave any moral scruples out of their work
They have to refuse to defend if they believe client is guilty
Nevertheless , they will look for any mitigation to keep murderers like this on the loose or released
If case fails on legal technicality then they will have no quarms at all because it’s the fault of someone else
A job for special people , as I’ve said
Special | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:23 - Oct 19 with 905 views | union_jack |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:12 - Oct 19 by SullutaCreturned |
With that many charges and all the attempted murder, if he's found guilty (how could he not be...waits for the mental health defence!) he should never come out of prison, but then, how many of his sentences will be set to run concurrently.
I'll say this too, concurrent sentences atre a complete cop out (excuse the pun) and should never, ever be used again. Do the crime, do the time, all of it. We need more prisons for serious criminals. |
Totally agree on this concurrent sentence issue. At the least, the very least an added crime should add extra years, a third more again and so on. Why should they worry anyway, they’ll be let out on early release to accommodate the hurty word villains! |  |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:25 - Oct 19 with 901 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:16 - Oct 19 by onehunglow |
“ everyone is entitled to the best defence possible”
Our former barrister contributor posted that
I’ve been “ hammered” before for saying this But I shall repeat…
Lawyers have to leave any moral scruples out of their work
They have to refuse to defend if they believe client is guilty
Nevertheless , they will look for any mitigation to keep murderers like this on the loose or released
If case fails on legal technicality then they will have no quarms at all because it’s the fault of someone else
A job for special people , as I’ve said
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The whole point is they get that defence so it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. If they don't get a defence then innocent people will end up in prison.
The poster you refer too is a very good person, a very nice person. How our legal system is set up is not his fault and he does the best job he can within it. | | | |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 21:35 - Oct 19 with 839 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:25 - Oct 19 by SullutaCreturned |
The whole point is they get that defence so it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. If they don't get a defence then innocent people will end up in prison.
The poster you refer too is a very good person, a very nice person. How our legal system is set up is not his fault and he does the best job he can within it. |
Read what I posted
How would you defend the Southport child killer ?
I said they are special
I meant it
They have no time to take moral stands
I bought him lunch at Blackpool
They can’t afford to be “ nice” in court which is my point
Finally, more guilty walk free than innocent are convicted
Professional criminals will never “ cough” as it’s their business
Their moral code is different
It’s about finding loopholes
If insuccessful then we have the appeals circus
If that fails , local MP to bleed over
They take us for mugs
I’m out of here as I’ve become cross | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 23:11 - Oct 19 with 786 views | majorraglan |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:12 - Oct 19 by SullutaCreturned |
With that many charges and all the attempted murder, if he's found guilty (how could he not be...waits for the mental health defence!) he should never come out of prison, but then, how many of his sentences will be set to run concurrently.
I'll say this too, concurrent sentences atre a complete cop out (excuse the pun) and should never, ever be used again. Do the crime, do the time, all of it. We need more prisons for serious criminals. |
He’s already being held at Rampton Hospital, so I’d wager there’s a good chance the defence will be all about his mental state. I don’t think he’ll ever get out of there.
Totally agree with your comments about more prisons for serious criminals, we need to be able to lock people like this guy up for ever. What this incident shows is that our MH services are still failing, how many times have we seen this type of incident take place? There’s always an enquiry, a few people come out and say lessons will be learnt etc etc ,… but nothing ever changes.  | | | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 08:52 - Oct 20 with 627 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 23:11 - Oct 19 by majorraglan |
He’s already being held at Rampton Hospital, so I’d wager there’s a good chance the defence will be all about his mental state. I don’t think he’ll ever get out of there.
Totally agree with your comments about more prisons for serious criminals, we need to be able to lock people like this guy up for ever. What this incident shows is that our MH services are still failing, how many times have we seen this type of incident take place? There’s always an enquiry, a few people come out and say lessons will be learnt etc etc ,… but nothing ever changes. |
And never forget that laws are passed by politicians, often lawyers, and court rooms basically a playground with the head boy calling the shots
Not for nothing are laws devised to be arcanely worded so lawyers can interpret the detail | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 10:07 - Oct 20 with 587 views | Dr_Winston |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:25 - Oct 19 by SullutaCreturned |
The whole point is they get that defence so it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. If they don't get a defence then innocent people will end up in prison.
The poster you refer too is a very good person, a very nice person. How our legal system is set up is not his fault and he does the best job he can within it. |
Perchy hates the idea that people are entitled to a legal defence. Always has. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 10:18 - Oct 20 with 570 views | Whiterockin |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 10:07 - Oct 20 by Dr_Winston |
Perchy hates the idea that people are entitled to a legal defence. Always has. |
He would prefer to dish out justice himself, ask the miners. |  | | |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:06 - Oct 20 with 546 views | Gwyn737 |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 20:25 - Oct 19 by SullutaCreturned |
The whole point is they get that defence so it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. If they don't get a defence then innocent people will end up in prison.
The poster you refer too is a very good person, a very nice person. How our legal system is set up is not his fault and he does the best job he can within it. |
Spot on.
A strong conviction requires a strong defence, | | | |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:41 - Oct 20 with 520 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 10:07 - Oct 20 by Dr_Winston |
Perchy hates the idea that people are entitled to a legal defence. Always has. |
How many times is this
Simply make your point | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:42 - Oct 20 with 519 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 10:18 - Oct 20 by Whiterockin |
He would prefer to dish out justice himself, ask the miners. |
Dropped your guard
Don’t believe what you always read
You and Jamie together
In concert
Blessed be | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:46 - Oct 20 with 516 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 10:07 - Oct 20 by Dr_Winston |
Perchy hates the idea that people are entitled to a legal defence. Always has. |
What I do not like are criminals being afforded an opportunity to worm out of a crime by the sophistry of barristers
You might not be arsed about scum being let loose to carry on their trade
You’ve been like this for twenty years
We’re getting old
When I’ve passed , you will have to find another perchy and don’t post any platitudes on here when I’m floating in the dustbowl bore
Make no mistake, from your posts, I find you every bit as contemptible
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:50 - Oct 20 with 508 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:06 - Oct 20 by Gwyn737 |
Spot on.
A strong conviction requires a strong defence, |
Strong what
Professional criminals would make mincemeat of lovely people like you ,the type who pine for vicious scum rather that victims
You totally miss my point as do the others on this god forsaken thread
Professional criminals will have the “ strongest” defence because they will have the most vicious wordsmiths in their silks creating confusion and obfuscation in juries
Witnesses have to be strong especially females in sexual assault cases when every trick in the book is deployed . | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 13:04 - Oct 20 with 465 views | jack_lord |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:50 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Strong what
Professional criminals would make mincemeat of lovely people like you ,the type who pine for vicious scum rather that victims
You totally miss my point as do the others on this god forsaken thread
Professional criminals will have the “ strongest” defence because they will have the most vicious wordsmiths in their silks creating confusion and obfuscation in juries
Witnesses have to be strong especially females in sexual assault cases when every trick in the book is deployed . |
I would like to forensically break down what you have typed. It would take a very long time Rich.
I understand where you are coming from on your points and, having met a number of budding and potential barristers that a paid for education has created. Such an eloquent and articulate breed. They have the ability to conjure up arguments that can twist many brains in knots.
The problem, as in your argument above is that there examples of bad people walking away in to the distance but, thankfully, there are good people that are also saved by the same law that allows barristers to peddle their magic.
What is the answer [Post edited 20 Oct 13:21]
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 13:06 - Oct 20 with 463 views | Dr_Winston |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:46 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
What I do not like are criminals being afforded an opportunity to worm out of a crime by the sophistry of barristers
You might not be arsed about scum being let loose to carry on their trade
You’ve been like this for twenty years
We’re getting old
When I’ve passed , you will have to find another perchy and don’t post any platitudes on here when I’m floating in the dustbowl bore
Make no mistake, from your posts, I find you every bit as contemptible
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So you don't like people having a legal defence. Don't get all grumpy because I've called you out on your contempt for due process.
Even the worst of the worst, even Rudakubana is entitled to a day in court. Then to be convicted and thrown into a deep dark hole or off the scaffold, depending upon your preference.
The alternative is that the state regularly imprisons and/or executes innocent people, which I have a problem with, even if you don't give a monkeys as long as the lawyers get what's coming to them, or whatever point you think that you're trying to make. | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 13:30 - Oct 20 with 432 views | onehunglow |
Quiet day obviously | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 15:40 - Oct 20 with 382 views | Gwyn737 |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 11:50 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Strong what
Professional criminals would make mincemeat of lovely people like you ,the type who pine for vicious scum rather that victims
You totally miss my point as do the others on this god forsaken thread
Professional criminals will have the “ strongest” defence because they will have the most vicious wordsmiths in their silks creating confusion and obfuscation in juries
Witnesses have to be strong especially females in sexual assault cases when every trick in the book is deployed . |
A defence that ensures that a conviction is sound.
The better the defence the stronger the conviction.
I wouldn't want to defend some of the monsters but I'm very glad there are educated, prfessional people that are.
It's what our justice system is based on. | | | |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 15:55 - Oct 20 with 366 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 15:40 - Oct 20 by Gwyn737 |
A defence that ensures that a conviction is sound.
The better the defence the stronger the conviction.
I wouldn't want to defend some of the monsters but I'm very glad there are educated, prfessional people that are.
It's what our justice system is based on. |
Decent reply and thanks
Question is
Why would someone WANT to defend mobsters and mobsters
Imagine defending the Southport kid murderer who , whilst in prison, has tried to maim and kill
This is my bloody point ffs
Of course we need defending having committed crime but I question the mindset of those who make a very good living out of it all
And defending includes pleading for the most lenient sentence possible
This is seen as a victory
I seem to be of a different mind set to you
I’m happy I am | |
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| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 16:01 - Oct 20 with 359 views | Gwyn737 |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 15:55 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Decent reply and thanks
Question is
Why would someone WANT to defend mobsters and mobsters
Imagine defending the Southport kid murderer who , whilst in prison, has tried to maim and kill
This is my bloody point ffs
Of course we need defending having committed crime but I question the mindset of those who make a very good living out of it all
And defending includes pleading for the most lenient sentence possible
This is seen as a victory
I seem to be of a different mind set to you
I’m happy I am |
Because they understand the way the justice system works and recognise the vital roll they play in securing convictions of the guilty, and that by and large innicent people aren't put in jail. | | | |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 16:13 - Oct 20 with 348 views | onehunglow |
| Okay I’ll post it. Call him what you want on 16:01 - Oct 20 by Gwyn737 |
Because they understand the way the justice system works and recognise the vital roll they play in securing convictions of the guilty, and that by and large innicent people aren't put in jail. |
I know how the system works as does Keith
Let’s get that straight
Barristers won’t be instructed if they “ lose” cases , ergo it is in their own interest to win
When Criminals walk free , as they do, its job done
That is what it’s about , nowt else
Justice is simply a hackneyed phrase that it is side issue
To be convicted now, one has to be very unlucky indeed
A tiny percentage of crimes are detected then taken to court and proved guilty
You have no idea of the evil out there and how they manipulate
It is a circus and a lucrative one
As for juries, it depends on who is selected and challenged
Reasonable doubt ? Totally subjective
What’s doubtful for one is clear cut for another
I thank you for a decent exchange but I dont think we can take this thread further as it already has seeped into personal attacks
However I know several barristers and played squash with two
Decent blokes and clever with it
Attention to detail is crucial
However One admitted he was merciless in court
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