| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success 11:15 - May 15 with 3266 views | SwansIndependent |
 Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success 15th May 2021 11:12Swansea City had a dabble or two in the MLS over the last January transfer window. Jordan Morris and Paul Arriola are well documented, and the chances taken on them on the other side of the Atlantic proved fruitless. They are both now back in the USA. However, and very quietly, one Orlando City loanee in a Barnsley shirt has played nineteen games since his arrival in January, and has scored nine goals. He is what we call a proper ‘danger man’  0
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 11:54 - May 15 with 1365 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Cracking signing, centre forward, in our price range.
Correctly utilised by the manager. Good on him. Also blows the idea of players over there can’t handle it over here completely out of the water. [Post edited 15 May 2021 12:18]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 12:46 - May 15 with 1335 views | vetchonian |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 11:54 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Cracking signing, centre forward, in our price range.
Correctly utilised by the manager. Good on him. Also blows the idea of players over there can’t handle it over here completely out of the water. [Post edited 15 May 2021 12:18]
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unfair comoarison given this guy had played for mosrt of the MLS whilst Arriola had not played.
Maybe we shoukd have gone for him.....rather than a player on their return from long injury lay off...but then its all Coopers fault | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 13:00 - May 15 with 1325 views | KeithHaynes |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 12:46 - May 15 by vetchonian |
unfair comoarison given this guy had played for mosrt of the MLS whilst Arriola had not played.
Maybe we shoukd have gone for him.....rather than a player on their return from long injury lay off...but then its all Coopers fault |
With more clarity yes. However, the USA international game v Trinidad that Arriola played in when he was subbed for Dike is the key here. Dike had to play over twenty minutes of that game to become eligible to play in England, he played over thirty and Barnsley having done their due diligence signed him almost as he walked off the pitch.
Nobody to blame surely ?The feature is a good comparison of January transfer windows from both clubs though. |  |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 13:12 - May 15 with 1270 views | onehunglow |
Physical,forceful and dominant .
Be nice to see us get that type of player | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 14:17 - May 15 with 1280 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 13:12 - May 15 by onehunglow |
Physical,forceful and dominant .
Be nice to see us get that type of player |
Morris got injured. |  |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 14:47 - May 15 with 1263 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 11:54 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Cracking signing, centre forward, in our price range.
Correctly utilised by the manager. Good on him. Also blows the idea of players over there can’t handle it over here completely out of the water. [Post edited 15 May 2021 12:18]
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The idea that players in America can’t handle the Championship? What or who’s idea would that be then?
I don’t think anyone has ever made that point, have they? In fact many liked the look of Morris for the short time he was here. He looked more than a useful squad player.
One player making it doesn’t mean all will, though. It’s like saying Braithwaite went to Barca and has played loads of games, so blows the idea that Championship players can’t get into the Barca team out of the water. The overwhelming majority of Championship players still wouldn’t get anywhere near the squad.
Every player is case specific, league doesn’t matter. But what you cannot do is say they are a great player because they play well in a certain league, when that league is clearly a lot weaker. Arriola (who I assume you are going on about yet again) seems to be known for his poor passing and poor technique so the cards were always stacked against him making it in English football. |  |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 14:49 - May 15 with 1263 views | Chief |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 11:54 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Cracking signing, centre forward, in our price range.
Correctly utilised by the manager. Good on him. Also blows the idea of players over there can’t handle it over here completely out of the water. [Post edited 15 May 2021 12:18]
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Certainly not in our price range, talk of a £20mill buy out clause.
Has anyone ever said Americans patently can't do it over here?
Barnsleys owners used their links to get them a fantastic young prospect being looked at by some big clubs with a brilliant scoring record that plays in a position where they needed bolstering. Who doesn't have a history of serious injury.
And ours didn't..... [Post edited 15 May 2021 14:51]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 14:57 - May 15 with 1248 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 14:49 - May 15 by Chief |
Certainly not in our price range, talk of a £20mill buy out clause.
Has anyone ever said Americans patently can't do it over here?
Barnsleys owners used their links to get them a fantastic young prospect being looked at by some big clubs with a brilliant scoring record that plays in a position where they needed bolstering. Who doesn't have a history of serious injury.
And ours didn't..... [Post edited 15 May 2021 14:51]
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Indeed.
The good young players from most inferior leagues will make their way over here and be a success one way or another. The middle of the road ones end up staying medium sized fish in a small pond, which is why Arriola is still at one of the worst teams in the MLS at 26 years of age and will likely be there until he retires.
Also agreed regarding price, God knows what people think “our price range” is. We spent on average £1m a season on transfer fees with Coops, which has to stretch across numerous signings in numerous positions.
As you say, Orlando want $20m for him. [Post edited 15 May 2021 15:02]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 15:10 - May 15 with 1236 views | Chief |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 14:57 - May 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
Indeed.
The good young players from most inferior leagues will make their way over here and be a success one way or another. The middle of the road ones end up staying medium sized fish in a small pond, which is why Arriola is still at one of the worst teams in the MLS at 26 years of age and will likely be there until he retires.
Also agreed regarding price, God knows what people think “our price range” is. We spent on average £1m a season on transfer fees with Coops, which has to stretch across numerous signings in numerous positions.
As you say, Orlando want $20m for him. [Post edited 15 May 2021 15:02]
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Yes we had 2 players more or less in the last chance saloon for a meaningful move to Europe, mid to late 20s, poor injury records.
My post wasn't particularly a dig at the owners, its just how it goes, its been very unfortunate that both Arriola and Morris got injured. In the championship I'm sure Morris could certainly have contributed&Arriola when integrated would have been an alternative option.
Dike being such an extraordinary signing and our 2 getting injured quickly just makes the contrast more stark. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:34 - May 15 with 1176 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 14:47 - May 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
The idea that players in America can’t handle the Championship? What or who’s idea would that be then?
I don’t think anyone has ever made that point, have they? In fact many liked the look of Morris for the short time he was here. He looked more than a useful squad player.
One player making it doesn’t mean all will, though. It’s like saying Braithwaite went to Barca and has played loads of games, so blows the idea that Championship players can’t get into the Barca team out of the water. The overwhelming majority of Championship players still wouldn’t get anywhere near the squad.
Every player is case specific, league doesn’t matter. But what you cannot do is say they are a great player because they play well in a certain league, when that league is clearly a lot weaker. Arriola (who I assume you are going on about yet again) seems to be known for his poor passing and poor technique so the cards were always stacked against him making it in English football. |
Wasn’t you asking for examples a month or so back?
Cheers Keith | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:36 - May 15 with 1173 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 15:10 - May 15 by Chief |
Yes we had 2 players more or less in the last chance saloon for a meaningful move to Europe, mid to late 20s, poor injury records.
My post wasn't particularly a dig at the owners, its just how it goes, its been very unfortunate that both Arriola and Morris got injured. In the championship I'm sure Morris could certainly have contributed&Arriola when integrated would have been an alternative option.
Dike being such an extraordinary signing and our 2 getting injured quickly just makes the contrast more stark. |
Wasn’t particularly a dig at the owners!!?!
Dear me, that’s literally all you do. | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:38 - May 15 with 1172 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 14:49 - May 15 by Chief |
Certainly not in our price range, talk of a £20mill buy out clause.
Has anyone ever said Americans patently can't do it over here?
Barnsleys owners used their links to get them a fantastic young prospect being looked at by some big clubs with a brilliant scoring record that plays in a position where they needed bolstering. Who doesn't have a history of serious injury.
And ours didn't..... [Post edited 15 May 2021 14:51]
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Loans were in our price range yes, as we saw with Gyokeres etc, | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:40 - May 15 with 1170 views | Chief |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:38 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Loans were in our price range yes, as we saw with Gyokeres etc, |
Not really, Barnsley only got Dike due to their owners connections in America.
'loan' isn't a cost or range but you suggesting Dike was in our range indicates you think he would have been obtainable for us, but that's unlikely to be the case. [Post edited 15 May 2021 19:48]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:46 - May 15 with 1164 views | Chief |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:36 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Wasn’t particularly a dig at the owners!!?!
Dear me, that’s literally all you do. |
False | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:56 - May 15 with 1153 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:40 - May 15 by Chief |
Not really, Barnsley only got Dike due to their owners connections in America.
'loan' isn't a cost or range but you suggesting Dike was in our range indicates you think he would have been obtainable for us, but that's unlikely to be the case. [Post edited 15 May 2021 19:48]
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Are we including loan deals into the finance debates now then? As when we are speaking about Cooper not having any resources the loan deals can’t be mentioned, but now this one is suddenly expensive.
Strange, but to be expected. | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:56 - May 15 with 1151 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:46 - May 15 by Chief |
False |
Denial | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:59 - May 15 with 1147 views | Chief |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:56 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Are we including loan deals into the finance debates now then? As when we are speaking about Cooper not having any resources the loan deals can’t be mentioned, but now this one is suddenly expensive.
Strange, but to be expected. |
Where have i said it was an expensive deal? | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 20:01 - May 15 with 1144 views | Chief |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:56 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Denial |
Nope, factual.
Where they deserve credit, i give it, where they deserve criticism, i give it. Just like real life.
Maybe you should apply a similarly balanced approach in your appraisal of Steve Cooper? | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 20:39 - May 15 with 1137 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:59 - May 15 by Chief |
Where have i said it was an expensive deal? |
It’s an example of a centre forward who would be in our price range to do a deal.
Dr P asked for examples of 9s. Barnsley and their manager found one. | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 20:52 - May 15 with 1125 views | Chief |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 20:39 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
It’s an example of a centre forward who would be in our price range to do a deal.
Dr P asked for examples of 9s. Barnsley and their manager found one. |
Doesn't mean we could have loaned him however, even if we were able to match or better any package Barnsley offered. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 00:07 - May 16 with 1093 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:34 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Wasn’t you asking for examples a month or so back?
Cheers Keith |
Examples of what? | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 00:10 - May 16 with 1090 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:38 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Loans were in our price range yes, as we saw with Gyokeres etc, |
You can’t just loan every single player “in our price range”.
Or look back selectively at the ones that worked and expected us to have got them all. Just utterly barmy.
Maybe if we go back to the Potter era, look at anyone that was signed around the £1m mark, or any loan that worked elsewhere and say “see, we should have got him”.
Just nonsense. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 00:14 - May 16 with 1089 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 19:56 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Are we including loan deals into the finance debates now then? As when we are speaking about Cooper not having any resources the loan deals can’t be mentioned, but now this one is suddenly expensive.
Strange, but to be expected. |
We always add loan deals into finance talk, stop making things up.
The issue is the values are either negligible (even though you claimed we paid a lot of Brewster, even indeed it was nothing), or hard to find as they don’t tend to be listed. You have been told time and time again that if you can find the amounts, we will add them. You can’t add guesses.
The bulk of any spending in the transfer market will be on permanent fees. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 00:18 - May 16 with 1087 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 20:39 - May 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
It’s an example of a centre forward who would be in our price range to do a deal.
Dr P asked for examples of 9s. Barnsley and their manager found one. |
How do you know he was a viable option for us? How do you know he wanted to come? Being in our price range is just one of many factors when signing a player, it’s not a computer game.
I don’t remember you mentioning Dike as a viable 9 for us at the time. I was asking you for any suggestions we can go for and specifically asked you not to use hindsight, any donkey can do that. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 07:47 - May 16 with 1053 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 00:18 - May 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
How do you know he was a viable option for us? How do you know he wanted to come? Being in our price range is just one of many factors when signing a player, it’s not a computer game.
I don’t remember you mentioning Dike as a viable 9 for us at the time. I was asking you for any suggestions we can go for and specifically asked you not to use hindsight, any donkey can do that. |
What are you waffling on about again? When the discussion was going on about not getting a 9 in the window, you specifically said you wanted examples, I gave you a few then, and this player again firmly shows there were options around that’s all.
I’m sure, but I haven’t checked yet, that you also asked for examples of MLS players who come over here and do well other than the big names due to standard/intensity difference. Here’s another one.
You get proven wrong time and time again, and then angrily go off on one. It’s amusing. | | | |
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