| Tony Blair on 11:29 - Jun 6 with 1170 views | Catullus |
Who listens to Tony Bliar anymore? The opportunity to get justice passed by with Chilcott.
Mind you, he has a point about the vaccinated, I know you disagree but if people won't get vaccinated they are a health risk to those around them, as well as themselves. The time may well be coming when the people who (for various reasons, good and bad) will find their freedoms curtailed.
The irony is that many covid non believers said the virus was being used to take our freedoms away and now those freedoms are being returned, slowly, they are talking about only letting the vaccinated have them.
The people who complained the most about losing freedoms are the ones who won't get them back! |  |
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| Tony Blair on 11:40 - Jun 6 with 1150 views | RonaldStump |
| Tony Blair on 11:29 - Jun 6 by Catullus |
Who listens to Tony Bliar anymore? The opportunity to get justice passed by with Chilcott.
Mind you, he has a point about the vaccinated, I know you disagree but if people won't get vaccinated they are a health risk to those around them, as well as themselves. The time may well be coming when the people who (for various reasons, good and bad) will find their freedoms curtailed.
The irony is that many covid non believers said the virus was being used to take our freedoms away and now those freedoms are being returned, slowly, they are talking about only letting the vaccinated have them.
The people who complained the most about losing freedoms are the ones who won't get them back! |
Please explain to me the difference between a vaccinated or unvaccinated person in the company of a vaccinated person. If the vaccine was 100 % effective then he could possibly have a point but it’s not so he doesn’t .
The blokes a murderous nonce anyway so his opinion will never count. [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 11:41]
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| Tony Blair on 11:48 - Jun 6 with 1142 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
It is unbelievable that we are presented with the opinions of a man who took us to a war that killed an estimated 650,000 (John Hopkins). The Chilcot inquiry found that there was no risk to British interests, the evidence for weapons of mass destruction was exaggerated and the options for peace had not been explored. |  |
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| Tony Blair on 12:27 - Jun 6 with 1101 views | howenjack |
Whatever Blair advocates we should do the opposite . Freedom is non negotiable it's why millions in 2 world wars died . Do we really want to acquiesce and head down the road towards a nazi style dictatorship made possible through the tool that is covid ? The G7 is meeting soon to decide what 's next in taking away your liberties - Wake Up ! Today's unvaccinated are tomorrow's freedom fighters !!! Ausweiss bitte schnell !
Become a free man of the land , a George Lovelace , a Henry Hunt but do not go quietly into that goodnight . Allons Yi mes citoyens formez les battaillons , marchons l'heure de gloire est arrive .
A country that trades a little freedom for a little more security deserves neither and will lose both . Benjamin Franklin. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 12:39 - Jun 6 with 1104 views | Catullus |
| Tony Blair on 11:40 - Jun 6 by RonaldStump |
Please explain to me the difference between a vaccinated or unvaccinated person in the company of a vaccinated person. If the vaccine was 100 % effective then he could possibly have a point but it’s not so he doesn’t .
The blokes a murderous nonce anyway so his opinion will never count. [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 11:41]
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A vaccinated person can still catch and pass on covid. An unvaccinated person is more likely to be seriously ill if they catch covid.
You know all that yet you choose to dismiss it. That is your issue.
I agree about Blair, well not the nonce bit, that's defamatory but to myself at least he is a war criminal, he took part in an illegal war based on a dossier of "sexed up" lies, he misled Parliament, he misled the UK population and he should face trial. He's a liar. | |
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| Tony Blair on 13:53 - Jun 6 with 1068 views | Scotia |
I'm no fan of Blair but he's called this correct.
I too have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't take up the offer of a jab.
I'd happily send all the unvaccinated to lockdown island and let the rest of us crack on with normal life. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 14:01 - Jun 6 with 1057 views | onehunglow |
| Tony Blair on 13:53 - Jun 6 by Scotia |
I'm no fan of Blair but he's called this correct.
I too have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't take up the offer of a jab.
I'd happily send all the unvaccinated to lockdown island and let the rest of us crack on with normal life. |
We have/had a pandemic .
We find a vaccine.
Why is that not good enough?
What do the conspiracy people suggest.
Ive not read anything at all from them as to what they would do .
Absolutely,vaccinated people should take precedence at events.
By all means don't vax ,but you're on your own and stay well away from me and my family you dumbos | |
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| Tony Blair on 15:18 - Jun 6 with 1020 views | Catullus |
| Tony Blair on 12:27 - Jun 6 by howenjack |
Whatever Blair advocates we should do the opposite . Freedom is non negotiable it's why millions in 2 world wars died . Do we really want to acquiesce and head down the road towards a nazi style dictatorship made possible through the tool that is covid ? The G7 is meeting soon to decide what 's next in taking away your liberties - Wake Up ! Today's unvaccinated are tomorrow's freedom fighters !!! Ausweiss bitte schnell !
Become a free man of the land , a George Lovelace , a Henry Hunt but do not go quietly into that goodnight . Allons Yi mes citoyens formez les battaillons , marchons l'heure de gloire est arrive .
A country that trades a little freedom for a little more security deserves neither and will lose both . Benjamin Franklin. |
Become a "Freeman of the land" WTF? You do know this is nonsense? There is no such legal status and anybody claiming it has never won a court case in the UK.
This "Freeman" malarky is just people who want to ignore the laws the rest of us live by, if everyone behaved like this there'd be anarchy and I'm not sure freemen would like it if there were no police service to protect them, no fire service or NHS. Without rules society collapses. | |
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| Tony Blair on 16:30 - Jun 6 with 988 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Tony Blair on 12:39 - Jun 6 by Catullus |
A vaccinated person can still catch and pass on covid. An unvaccinated person is more likely to be seriously ill if they catch covid.
You know all that yet you choose to dismiss it. That is your issue.
I agree about Blair, well not the nonce bit, that's defamatory but to myself at least he is a war criminal, he took part in an illegal war based on a dossier of "sexed up" lies, he misled Parliament, he misled the UK population and he should face trial. He's a liar. |
You did not answer the question.
I will repeat his question.
"Please explain to me the difference between a vaccinated or unvaccinated person in the company of a vaccinated person. " | | | |
| Tony Blair on 16:41 - Jun 6 with 986 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Tony Blair on 13:53 - Jun 6 by Scotia |
I'm no fan of Blair but he's called this correct.
I too have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't take up the offer of a jab.
I'd happily send all the unvaccinated to lockdown island and let the rest of us crack on with normal life. |
I'd rather not live in a state where people have compulsory medication as dictated by the state. | |
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| Tony Blair on 16:43 - Jun 6 with 981 views | howenjack |
| Tony Blair on 15:18 - Jun 6 by Catullus |
Become a "Freeman of the land" WTF? You do know this is nonsense? There is no such legal status and anybody claiming it has never won a court case in the UK.
This "Freeman" malarky is just people who want to ignore the laws the rest of us live by, if everyone behaved like this there'd be anarchy and I'm not sure freemen would like it if there were no police service to protect them, no fire service or NHS. Without rules society collapses. |
FMOL - yes it was stated tongue in cheek admittedly but there is a kernel of truth in what they believe namely the erosion of the common law of the land to the detriment of the common man FMOL s are a pushback against the ever burgeoning state and its intrusion into our daily lives. The government works for the people not the other way round , too many people have forgotten that. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 17:24 - Jun 6 with 963 views | controversial_jack |
| Tony Blair on 16:43 - Jun 6 by howenjack |
FMOL - yes it was stated tongue in cheek admittedly but there is a kernel of truth in what they believe namely the erosion of the common law of the land to the detriment of the common man FMOL s are a pushback against the ever burgeoning state and its intrusion into our daily lives. The government works for the people not the other way round , too many people have forgotten that. |
What they say is perfectly true and correct.They are not the problem, but our corrupt judiciary and often unlawful courts and tribunals are. You are correct about our common law jurisdiction, it's basically ignored by our courts in favour of political legislation that passes for law. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 20:02 - Jun 6 with 927 views | Catullus |
| Tony Blair on 17:24 - Jun 6 by controversial_jack |
What they say is perfectly true and correct.They are not the problem, but our corrupt judiciary and often unlawful courts and tribunals are. You are correct about our common law jurisdiction, it's basically ignored by our courts in favour of political legislation that passes for law. |
Common law is defined as a body of legal rules that have been made by judges as they issue rulings on cases, as opposed to rules and laws made by the legislature or in official statutes. An example of common law is a rule that a judge made that says that people have a duty to read contracts.
Freeman of the land is not a valid legal position and has never won a court case in the UK ergo it is not true and correct. Once a law passes through Parliament and onto the staute books it is a legal and valid law and we all have to obey them. | |
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| Tony Blair on 22:49 - Jun 6 with 883 views | controversial_jack |
| Tony Blair on 20:02 - Jun 6 by Catullus |
Common law is defined as a body of legal rules that have been made by judges as they issue rulings on cases, as opposed to rules and laws made by the legislature or in official statutes. An example of common law is a rule that a judge made that says that people have a duty to read contracts.
Freeman of the land is not a valid legal position and has never won a court case in the UK ergo it is not true and correct. Once a law passes through Parliament and onto the staute books it is a legal and valid law and we all have to obey them. |
I know the definition, I don't need you to tell me this. British courts are under common law jurisdiction and the judiciary swear an oath to uphold that and nothing else.The fact that FMOL don't win cases is because the judges act unlawfully and don't honour their oaths. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 01:45 - Jun 7 with 863 views | majorraglan |
I’ve met a few FMOL, usually as they have a beef with public organisations such as a council. Idiots. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 06:12 - Jun 7 with 827 views | jack247 |
| Tony Blair on 16:30 - Jun 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
You did not answer the question.
I will repeat his question.
"Please explain to me the difference between a vaccinated or unvaccinated person in the company of a vaccinated person. " |
How about someone medically unable to be vaccinated (like Captain Tom) being put at risk by the company of someone who chooses not to? | | | |
| Tony Blair on 12:39 - Jun 7 with 772 views | RonaldStump |
| Tony Blair on 06:12 - Jun 7 by jack247 |
How about someone medically unable to be vaccinated (like Captain Tom) being put at risk by the company of someone who chooses not to? |
They could also be put at risk by those who have xbosen to . Makes no difference you see | |
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| Tony Blair on 12:50 - Jun 7 with 758 views | Catullus |
| Tony Blair on 22:49 - Jun 6 by controversial_jack |
I know the definition, I don't need you to tell me this. British courts are under common law jurisdiction and the judiciary swear an oath to uphold that and nothing else.The fact that FMOL don't win cases is because the judges act unlawfully and don't honour their oaths. |
You say you know but then display that maybe you don't. Common law isn't made by people who disagree with a judge so dispute the judgement, or by someone who just doesn't want to pay a parking ticket. Judges have to obey the laws too and if they act illegally then a lawyer can do something about it, due process.
The laws of the land apply to everybody and any law that passes through Parliament and onto the statute books is a valid law, even if it's considered unfair by some people.
The Judges oath, I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this Realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill-will. Tell me, if someone refuses a valid parking fine and then disputes the court case because they are a Freeman and the laws don't apply, isn't that just somebody being daft? Which common law says a valid parking ticket can be ignored? Which common law says a law passed by Parliament can be ignored? Do we live in a democracy or in anrchy? | |
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| Tony Blair on 13:17 - Jun 7 with 740 views | jack247 |
| Tony Blair on 12:39 - Jun 7 by RonaldStump |
They could also be put at risk by those who have xbosen to . Makes no difference you see |
Well yes they could, I’m not convinced it makes no difference as the vaccine reduces the risk of catching or spreading Covid as well as the primary objective of reducing the impact on those who catch it according to WHO.
Then there are the people who potentially can’t have treatment for non Covid conditions, because the NHS is overwhelmed, like in the first wave. Hopefully that won’t be such an issue in future as the overwhelming majority aren’t so selfish as to refuse vaccination as they think Covid won’t harm them personally. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 13:29 - Jun 7 with 732 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
To me this issue is simple, it is the same as my position on free speech.
Ie. - I may disagree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.
I have taken the vaccine, my family members have taken the vaccine...but the state does not have the right to force anyone to stick things in their body, making permanent changes to their body, without that person’s consent.
That way lies tyranny.
It is the same principle as rape and sexual assault. You decide what happens with your body, nobody else. |  |
| "It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" |
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| Tony Blair on 13:38 - Jun 7 with 726 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Tony Blair on 13:29 - Jun 7 by Ajack_Kerouac |
To me this issue is simple, it is the same as my position on free speech.
Ie. - I may disagree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.
I have taken the vaccine, my family members have taken the vaccine...but the state does not have the right to force anyone to stick things in their body, making permanent changes to their body, without that person’s consent.
That way lies tyranny.
It is the same principle as rape and sexual assault. You decide what happens with your body, nobody else. |
Alternatively we could just roll over and let our politicians decide what medication is compulsory for each of us and also for example, how to treat people with preventable diseases. | |
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| Tony Blair on 13:45 - Jun 7 with 720 views | jack247 |
| Tony Blair on 13:29 - Jun 7 by Ajack_Kerouac |
To me this issue is simple, it is the same as my position on free speech.
Ie. - I may disagree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.
I have taken the vaccine, my family members have taken the vaccine...but the state does not have the right to force anyone to stick things in their body, making permanent changes to their body, without that person’s consent.
That way lies tyranny.
It is the same principle as rape and sexual assault. You decide what happens with your body, nobody else. |
I broadly agree with you. It’s not quite that simple though, as refusing the vaccine potentially affects other people. If people not taking it were only putting themselves at risk, I’d be 100% on board.
I do also understand it’s a brand new set of vaccines and can understand peoples reservations. I just don’t share them. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 17:17 - Jun 7 with 690 views | controversial_jack |
| Tony Blair on 12:50 - Jun 7 by Catullus |
You say you know but then display that maybe you don't. Common law isn't made by people who disagree with a judge so dispute the judgement, or by someone who just doesn't want to pay a parking ticket. Judges have to obey the laws too and if they act illegally then a lawyer can do something about it, due process.
The laws of the land apply to everybody and any law that passes through Parliament and onto the statute books is a valid law, even if it's considered unfair by some people.
The Judges oath, I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this Realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill-will. Tell me, if someone refuses a valid parking fine and then disputes the court case because they are a Freeman and the laws don't apply, isn't that just somebody being daft? Which common law says a valid parking ticket can be ignored? Which common law says a law passed by Parliament can be ignored? Do we live in a democracy or in anrchy? |
You are referring to civil law, which is not the law of the land, it's actually admiralty and maritime law.
The only law of the land is Common law. | | | |
| Tony Blair on 10:39 - Jun 8 with 593 views | Catullus |
| Tony Blair on 17:17 - Jun 7 by controversial_jack |
You are referring to civil law, which is not the law of the land, it's actually admiralty and maritime law.
The only law of the land is Common law. |
No, common law is (in effect) legal prececent set by a judge sitting incourt. It's not what some angry person wandering the land says it is. | |
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