| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? 09:14 - Jun 30 with 1576 views | trampie |
England have not had the better of any team in the Euros even though they have played every single game at home.
A quick look at the stats to back up what I watched and England had the same amount of shots as Croatia but won 1-0, England had less shots than Scotland but got a 0-0 draw, England had less shots than the Czech Rep but won 1-0, England had a lot less shots than Germany and won 2-0.
We could be heading towards the worst winners in the history of the Euros, a strange fact is they hold that title for the worst winners of the world cup as well could they do the double, lol. |  |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:16 - Jun 30 with 1174 views | onehunglow |
I just turn it off and play a guitar tramps.
There is a choice of perpetual England hate or non top media coverage.
Hobson's. |  |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:23 - Jun 30 with 1172 views | jack247 |
They haven’t conceded a goal. They are drab but effective. Greece did it, we did something similar in the nations league. The Swans weren’t that far off it last season.
I personally think Italy and Belgium would both be able to break them down. I’d have said that about France though. | | | |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:25 - Jun 30 with 1159 views | onehunglow |
You can relax.
They will lose to Denmark IF they get past Ukraine who they will underestimate | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:32 - Jun 30 with 1160 views | Dr_Winston |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:23 - Jun 30 by jack247 |
They haven’t conceded a goal. They are drab but effective. Greece did it, we did something similar in the nations league. The Swans weren’t that far off it last season.
I personally think Italy and Belgium would both be able to break them down. I’d have said that about France though. |
The similarities between Southgate and Cooper are uncanny.
Both prefer a tedious, defensive, organised brand of football. Both generally tend to leave the creative, flair players that their fans prefer to see in the team out of it. Both have been largely dependent for wins on a wide player with a tendency to drift inside and score goals.
Same coaching system developed both. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:33]
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:44 - Jun 30 with 1140 views | Fireboy2 |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:32 - Jun 30 by Dr_Winston |
The similarities between Southgate and Cooper are uncanny.
Both prefer a tedious, defensive, organised brand of football. Both generally tend to leave the creative, flair players that their fans prefer to see in the team out of it. Both have been largely dependent for wins on a wide player with a tendency to drift inside and score goals.
Same coaching system developed both. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:33]
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It's lucky he has so many decent attacking young players to pick from, sako, sterling, rashford, grealish etc, ateotd it's their defence that had got them to the quarters, they haven't until last night played anyone half decent and they are on a roll atm they play away to a team they should beat then back home for another odds on win, by the final they will be unstoppable whoever they play.
If they do win it then they obviously deserve it but you can't help but point the finger at how the set up of the competition has helped them, 6 of their possible games will have been at home, most of the football hate Platini but it was him who came up with this stupid idea to celebrate 60 years of the euros, I bet not many of the saes know that a frenchman would have played a massive part in their success. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:45]
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:46 - Jun 30 with 1117 views | onehunglow |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:44 - Jun 30 by Fireboy2 |
It's lucky he has so many decent attacking young players to pick from, sako, sterling, rashford, grealish etc, ateotd it's their defence that had got them to the quarters, they haven't until last night played anyone half decent and they are on a roll atm they play away to a team they should beat then back home for another odds on win, by the final they will be unstoppable whoever they play.
If they do win it then they obviously deserve it but you can't help but point the finger at how the set up of the competition has helped them, 6 of their possible games will have been at home, most of the football hate Platini but it was him who came up with this stupid idea to celebrate 60 years of the euros, I bet not many of the saes know that a frenchman would have played a massive part in their success. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:45]
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I actually agree with that.
Im certain,knowing Platini,that wedges of brown envelopes were involved,the same ones that saw a World Cup given to Qatar . | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:47 - Jun 30 with 1127 views | jack247 |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:32 - Jun 30 by Dr_Winston |
The similarities between Southgate and Cooper are uncanny.
Both prefer a tedious, defensive, organised brand of football. Both generally tend to leave the creative, flair players that their fans prefer to see in the team out of it. Both have been largely dependent for wins on a wide player with a tendency to drift inside and score goals.
Same coaching system developed both. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:33]
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Completely agree. Stifling more talented teams because you can’t go toe to toe with them.
Before anyone accuses me of being bitter or racist, it’s what’s happened so far. | | | |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 10:00 - Jun 30 with 1116 views | trampie |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:47 - Jun 30 by jack247 |
Completely agree. Stifling more talented teams because you can’t go toe to toe with them.
Before anyone accuses me of being bitter or racist, it’s what’s happened so far. |
Good post. | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 10:02 - Jun 30 with 1109 views | Dr_Winston |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:47 - Jun 30 by jack247 |
Completely agree. Stifling more talented teams because you can’t go toe to toe with them.
Before anyone accuses me of being bitter or racist, it’s what’s happened so far. |
I suspect England probably could go toe to toe with a few of the teams that they're preferring to stifle. On a technical level the quality of player they're producing these days is far above what it was when I first started watching the game.
Where they do fall down is in the quality of coaches they produce. Bobby Robson is probably the best English manager of my footballing life, and it says something that we have to go back that far. For some reason they just don't produce many good ones, and the badge based process isn't helping.
For all English bosses whinge about the amount of Premier league clubs managed by non-English managers, you have to ask why so few English coaches go abroad instead, or why so few European teams want an English manager. | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 10:03 - Jun 30 with 1108 views | Dr_Winston |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:44 - Jun 30 by Fireboy2 |
It's lucky he has so many decent attacking young players to pick from, sako, sterling, rashford, grealish etc, ateotd it's their defence that had got them to the quarters, they haven't until last night played anyone half decent and they are on a roll atm they play away to a team they should beat then back home for another odds on win, by the final they will be unstoppable whoever they play.
If they do win it then they obviously deserve it but you can't help but point the finger at how the set up of the competition has helped them, 6 of their possible games will have been at home, most of the football hate Platini but it was him who came up with this stupid idea to celebrate 60 years of the euros, I bet not many of the saes know that a frenchman would have played a massive part in their success. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:45]
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Platini is one of the worst things ever to happen to football administration. | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 12:24 - Jun 30 with 1067 views | BillyChong |
In a tournament that has provided some cracking games the England times have been extremely boring on the eye | | | |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 14:05 - Jun 30 with 1022 views | Catullus |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 12:24 - Jun 30 by BillyChong |
In a tournament that has provided some cracking games the England times have been extremely boring on the eye |
This much is true. What has the number of shots got to do with it though. If you have 2 shots on target and score one but the oppo have 20 shots, all off target, are they better than you?
Failing to get a shot on target, that is real failure. | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 14:50 - Jun 30 with 1007 views | Fireboy2 |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 14:05 - Jun 30 by Catullus |
This much is true. What has the number of shots got to do with it though. If you have 2 shots on target and score one but the oppo have 20 shots, all off target, are they better than you?
Failing to get a shot on target, that is real failure. |
Your last sentence has got me remembering our last game 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 | | | |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 15:11 - Jun 30 with 1001 views | Badlands |
I thought they completely outplayed Germany who didn't really bother to turn up.
In terms of % of potential the German performance was worse than Wales against Denmark. |  |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 15:12 - Jun 30 with 1000 views | Kilkennyjack |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 10:03 - Jun 30 by Dr_Winston |
Platini is one of the worst things ever to happen to football administration. |
Agreed.
His so-called zany idea must be French for total crap idea.
Tw@@t. |  |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 17:04 - Jun 30 with 960 views | Catullus |
Personally I don't think their name is on the trophy, whoever gets to the final from the other half is going to have done very well and I still fancy Spain or Italy, Spain have really come to life and when did Italy last lose? It's 31 games unvbeaten now and many clean sheets too. Italy can stifle too and better than England I reckon.
Sometimes, it seems to me these threads are just as much about whinging about the English as talking about football.
I didn't think England were second best either, I only watched the first hour but it seemed fairly equal to me. Then I took the dog for a walk and got back to see they'd won. Germany didn't seem very good to me apart from a few good moves in the first 10-15 mins. | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 18:05 - Jun 30 with 941 views | monmouth |
England were better than Germany. The germans were atrocious. |  |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 18:07 - Jun 30 with 937 views | trampie |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 18:05 - Jun 30 by monmouth |
England were better than Germany. The germans were atrocious. |
North Macedonia was better than Germany, not sure England did enough to win the game as regards balance of play, poor standard of match. | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 19:28 - Jun 30 with 906 views | pencoedjack |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 14:05 - Jun 30 by Catullus |
This much is true. What has the number of shots got to do with it though. If you have 2 shots on target and score one but the oppo have 20 shots, all off target, are they better than you?
Failing to get a shot on target, that is real failure. |
Nobody will remember that if they win it, it would be the same for most countries.
Boring or good tactics I guess we will know when we see who wins it. |  | | |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 19:30 - Jun 30 with 905 views | pencoedjack |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 17:04 - Jun 30 by Catullus |
Personally I don't think their name is on the trophy, whoever gets to the final from the other half is going to have done very well and I still fancy Spain or Italy, Spain have really come to life and when did Italy last lose? It's 31 games unvbeaten now and many clean sheets too. Italy can stifle too and better than England I reckon.
Sometimes, it seems to me these threads are just as much about whinging about the English as talking about football.
I didn't think England were second best either, I only watched the first hour but it seemed fairly equal to me. Then I took the dog for a walk and got back to see they'd won. Germany didn't seem very good to me apart from a few good moves in the first 10-15 mins. |
Do us a favour wait till after the game finishes Saturday before taking the hound out. | | | |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 20:05 - Jun 30 with 879 views | 73__73 |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:44 - Jun 30 by Fireboy2 |
It's lucky he has so many decent attacking young players to pick from, sako, sterling, rashford, grealish etc, ateotd it's their defence that had got them to the quarters, they haven't until last night played anyone half decent and they are on a roll atm they play away to a team they should beat then back home for another odds on win, by the final they will be unstoppable whoever they play.
If they do win it then they obviously deserve it but you can't help but point the finger at how the set up of the competition has helped them, 6 of their possible games will have been at home, most of the football hate Platini but it was him who came up with this stupid idea to celebrate 60 years of the euros, I bet not many of the saes know that a frenchman would have played a massive part in their success. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:45]
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 20:08 - Jun 30 with 875 views | onehunglow |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 20:05 - Jun 30 by 73__73 |
😂😂😂😂😂 |
Eddie the Fireman. Lived 30 years amongst them and siblings therefore English.
Why bite the hand that feeds.
The Hand that rocked the Cradle | |
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 20:45 - Jun 30 with 873 views | swan85 |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:32 - Jun 30 by Dr_Winston |
The similarities between Southgate and Cooper are uncanny.
Both prefer a tedious, defensive, organised brand of football. Both generally tend to leave the creative, flair players that their fans prefer to see in the team out of it. Both have been largely dependent for wins on a wide player with a tendency to drift inside and score goals.
Same coaching system developed both. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:33]
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That is exactly what I thought watching last night. | | | |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 10:56 - Jul 8 with 714 views | AndyCole |
| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 09:32 - Jun 30 by Dr_Winston |
The similarities between Southgate and Cooper are uncanny.
Both prefer a tedious, defensive, organised brand of football. Both generally tend to leave the creative, flair players that their fans prefer to see in the team out of it. Both have been largely dependent for wins on a wide player with a tendency to drift inside and score goals.
Same coaching system developed both. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 9:33]
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Both remarkably successful, with clever deployment of available resource. Both with a massive groundswell of support from fans.
Unlike England and their abundance of attacking options, The Swans have been handicapped without a proper CF and proper AM.
The system works. We just need the right players to optimise that system - like Soughgateball is achieving.
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| England second best but is their name already on the trophy ? on 23:07 - Jul 11 with 587 views | Dr_Winston |
I guess we can add standing on the side of the pitch looking gormlessly on whilst a proactive opposing manager makes the changes that ultimately swing the game in his favour to the list of things that Cooper and Southgate have in common.
Like peas in a pod. | |
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