| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swansea City 11:00 - Sep 19 with 2498 views | SwansIndependent |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 11:54 - Sep 19 with 1527 views | Badlands |
It wasn't thrown away, it was taken. |  |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 12:16 - Sep 19 with 1498 views | blackswan |
I wonder what he thought of somehow keeping eleven
Players on the pitch after that assault unbelievable | | | |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 13:08 - Sep 19 with 1443 views | Badlands |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 12:16 - Sep 19 by blackswan |
I wonder what he thought of somehow keeping eleven
Players on the pitch after that assault unbelievable |
Has he even been asked?
Some may call this paranoid but can you imaging Manning being allowed to stay on if the roles had been reversed?
As for yellow for kicking the ball away - joke. Teams do it many times in a game and why would you be wasting time at 3 - nil down? | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 13:31 - Sep 19 with 1404 views | Catullus |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 13:08 - Sep 19 by Badlands |
Has he even been asked?
Some may call this paranoid but can you imaging Manning being allowed to stay on if the roles had been reversed?
As for yellow for kicking the ball away - joke. Teams do it many times in a game and why would you be wasting time at 3 - nil down? |
He did kick the ball away though and the rules say it's a yellow. It's a massive joke the Luton player (Cornick?) didn't see red though, it was violent conduct all day long, he could have put Manning out for weeks. Maybe that was his intention? Ebven that fella on the EFL show said he thought it was intentional, that the Luton player was looking at Manning, not the ball and had plenty of time to pull out if he wanted.
The FA won't do anything now though, because he's already been punished. At least I think that's how it works?
Football needs a citing system like the rugby except, in y opinion, if a player gets booked he can still be cited if the punishment isn't suitable as yesterdays yellow wasn't. In the same vein, if a player gets a yellow he should be able to appeal it. Isn't it another farce that you can appeal a red card but not a yellow? | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 13:45 - Sep 19 with 1359 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Again, if we are honest they visibly backed off to protect their lead, their heavy pressing game certainly showed in their legs as the game went on.
Yes absolutely we did some good things too and the subs were spot on and can’t be argued with (as I mentioned at the time).
But to pretend it was all us and nothing to do with their level dropping would be skirting over reality. |  |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 13:51 - Sep 19 with 1369 views | jackrmee |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 13:45 - Sep 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Again, if we are honest they visibly backed off to protect their lead, their heavy pressing game certainly showed in their legs as the game went on.
Yes absolutely we did some good things too and the subs were spot on and can’t be argued with (as I mentioned at the time).
But to pretend it was all us and nothing to do with their level dropping would be skirting over reality. |
Jones has categorically said that he did not tell anyone to stop pressing or drop their effort. It was not the plan. They were simply too tired to continue to press us as they did in the first half.
Make of that what you will.
Maybe it was just that we were fitter.
Maybe our team selection gave us some good players to come on with less fatigue.
Maybe our passing system wears teams out more than us.
Maybe we just cope with 3 games a week better than Luton.
Maybe it's something else? |  |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:22 - Sep 19 with 1330 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 13:51 - Sep 19 by jackrmee |
Jones has categorically said that he did not tell anyone to stop pressing or drop their effort. It was not the plan. They were simply too tired to continue to press us as they did in the first half.
Make of that what you will.
Maybe it was just that we were fitter.
Maybe our team selection gave us some good players to come on with less fatigue.
Maybe our passing system wears teams out more than us.
Maybe we just cope with 3 games a week better than Luton.
Maybe it's something else? |
Of course it wasn’t the plan, it’s natural.
Same in the Reading play off final, we went in 3-0 at half time and backed off in the second half. I’m sure not even Reading would say it was all them as to how they got back into it, we visibly backed off to defend what we had.
They played a huge pressing game in the first half, that takes huge amounts of energy. If anyone has had done the drill where you are in the middle of a circle of players and have to intercept the ball, they will know what closing down and the press does to you.
The subs were important, we went more direct which was also important. But so was the fact they clearly backed off. | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:29 - Sep 19 with 1336 views | jackrmee |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:22 - Sep 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course it wasn’t the plan, it’s natural.
Same in the Reading play off final, we went in 3-0 at half time and backed off in the second half. I’m sure not even Reading would say it was all them as to how they got back into it, we visibly backed off to defend what we had.
They played a huge pressing game in the first half, that takes huge amounts of energy. If anyone has had done the drill where you are in the middle of a circle of players and have to intercept the ball, they will know what closing down and the press does to you.
The subs were important, we went more direct which was also important. But so was the fact they clearly backed off. |
Getting fatigued is very different to "backing off".
Backing off is intentional. Fatigue is not.
I don't think they backed off at all.
I don't think we went direct either. | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:42 - Sep 19 with 1307 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:29 - Sep 19 by jackrmee |
Getting fatigued is very different to "backing off".
Backing off is intentional. Fatigue is not.
I don't think they backed off at all.
I don't think we went direct either. |
It isn’t. If a boxer is tired they back off and go into survival mode.
You cannot continue to press when you are tired so you back off. It’s natural, they aren’t robots.
We definitely went direct. They definitely backed off | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:49 - Sep 19 with 1309 views | jackrmee |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:42 - Sep 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
It isn’t. If a boxer is tired they back off and go into survival mode.
You cannot continue to press when you are tired so you back off. It’s natural, they aren’t robots.
We definitely went direct. They definitely backed off |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:50 - Sep 19 with 1296 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Yep. We were clearly more direct:-
Long balls:-
vs Preston:- 46
vs Hull:- 29
vs Millwall:- 49
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vs Luton:- 65
I would bet anything the majority of which came in the second half. If anyone has the details feel free to put forward.
The other game this season we clearly went direct in, is our only league win of the season.
vs Bristol City:- 66
Coincidence eh? [Post edited 19 Sep 2021 14:53]
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 15:46 - Sep 19 with 1226 views | onehunglow |
We went forward instead of sideways.
Simple really.
Why start as we did. | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 15:48 - Sep 19 with 1234 views | swan65split |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 12:16 - Sep 19 by blackswan |
I wonder what he thought of somehow keeping eleven
Players on the pitch after that assault unbelievable |
USUAL replyI imagine.......I didnt see the incident. |  | | |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 16:16 - Sep 19 with 1199 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
It was the sort of capitulation by a manager that likely seriously harms their reputation and puts off potential suitors. They came out in the second half playing as if they were protecting a 1 goal lead in the 94th minute. It was baffling. |  |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 16:17 - Sep 19 with 1195 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 16:16 - Sep 19 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
It was the sort of capitulation by a manager that likely seriously harms their reputation and puts off potential suitors. They came out in the second half playing as if they were protecting a 1 goal lead in the 94th minute. It was baffling. |
Equally baffling is those pretending that isn’t the case.
Although shouldn’t be surprised. | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 16:36 - Sep 19 with 1173 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Martin s model is to play out from the back. This notionally gives the other team cheap opportunities with the high press. It does however involve a risk of burn out and energy depletion. This can be mitigated with substitutions. Over 46 games this is going to be a real slog.
The so called "backing off" was both fatigue related and players making their own decisions to protect their own performance levels and reputations. Jones stated his team were the best in the league at pressing. The game was therefore a big challenge for the Swansea defence. Naughton and Williams in particular struggled. Naughton was out of his specialist position and Williams is learning like Guehi had to. Nathan Jones struggled at Stoke getting lumbering veteran s like Vokes, Miram Diouf and Banik Afobe to play high press.
There is an argument Pioe and Ntcham performed very well as they were able to pick off Luton's tired retreating defencers. This argument goes against the simplistic idea that the manager "made a mistake". This argument is that the draw was achieved by throwing the game plan into the bin. Quite the opposite in fact, I suggest. If Swansea had cut out the basic mistakes goals 1 and 2 it would have been easy and classy tactical stroll in the park (Pep style) especially if the Ref had done his job. Naughton for goal 2 was out muscled and then failed to leave the player to the covering defender. |  |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 20:15 - Sep 19 with 1079 views | Boundy |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 14:42 - Sep 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
It isn’t. If a boxer is tired they back off and go into survival mode.
You cannot continue to press when you are tired so you back off. It’s natural, they aren’t robots.
We definitely went direct. They definitely backed off |
As a team they faded , no question about it , not winning second balls , movement across the pitch became laboured , that wasn't a team under instruction by the Manager that was team which ran out of steam | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 20:22 - Sep 19 with 1075 views | WalterBoyd |
They were knackered. Our subs along with the players on pitch looked toral quality. They were not prepared for it, neither we mostSwans fans. We looked and were a different team 2nd half.
Most important thing is that we continue our 2and half approach into next league match. | | | |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 20:25 - Sep 19 with 1071 views | KeithHaynes |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 20:22 - Sep 19 by WalterBoyd |
They were knackered. Our subs along with the players on pitch looked toral quality. They were not prepared for it, neither we mostSwans fans. We looked and were a different team 2nd half.
Most important thing is that we continue our 2and half approach into next league match. |
The swans were magnificent. |  |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 20:30 - Sep 19 with 1057 views | WalterBoyd |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 20:25 - Sep 19 by KeithHaynes |
The swans were magnificent. |
I am amazed how little praise Swans team have had for that second half.
It was magnificent, one of the best ever. 3-0 down and we did not lose. 3 great goals all outside the box.
Some still not happy. May as well pack it in how imo. | | | |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 21:46 - Sep 19 with 1041 views | jackrmee |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 16:36 - Sep 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Martin s model is to play out from the back. This notionally gives the other team cheap opportunities with the high press. It does however involve a risk of burn out and energy depletion. This can be mitigated with substitutions. Over 46 games this is going to be a real slog.
The so called "backing off" was both fatigue related and players making their own decisions to protect their own performance levels and reputations. Jones stated his team were the best in the league at pressing. The game was therefore a big challenge for the Swansea defence. Naughton and Williams in particular struggled. Naughton was out of his specialist position and Williams is learning like Guehi had to. Nathan Jones struggled at Stoke getting lumbering veteran s like Vokes, Miram Diouf and Banik Afobe to play high press.
There is an argument Pioe and Ntcham performed very well as they were able to pick off Luton's tired retreating defencers. This argument goes against the simplistic idea that the manager "made a mistake". This argument is that the draw was achieved by throwing the game plan into the bin. Quite the opposite in fact, I suggest. If Swansea had cut out the basic mistakes goals 1 and 2 it would have been easy and classy tactical stroll in the park (Pep style) especially if the Ref had done his job. Naughton for goal 2 was out muscled and then failed to leave the player to the covering defender. |
I agree with most of that.
I do not think the manager made a mistake in the first half. He said sohimself, that the half time teamtalk was to continue the same and what they've been practicing in training.
There is a lot of work to be done and especially how we deal with the intial press of teams who specialise in that. If we can deal with that then these types of matches should be a lot easier than games against teams like Hull, who park the bus. | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 21:56 - Sep 19 with 1024 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 20:15 - Sep 19 by Boundy |
As a team they faded , no question about it , not winning second balls , movement across the pitch became laboured , that wasn't a team under instruction by the Manager that was team which ran out of steam |
Agree. Not sure where this ''instruction from the manager'' notion came from really.
Same with the Reading play off final. We backed off, its human nature, I'm sure Brendan didn't tell them to. | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 22:01 - Sep 19 with 1025 views | jackrmee |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 21:56 - Sep 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Agree. Not sure where this ''instruction from the manager'' notion came from really.
Same with the Reading play off final. We backed off, its human nature, I'm sure Brendan didn't tell them to. |
Backing off is an intentional change.
Fatigue is not. | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 22:09 - Sep 19 with 1011 views | Boundy |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 20:30 - Sep 19 by WalterBoyd |
I am amazed how little praise Swans team have had for that second half.
It was magnificent, one of the best ever. 3-0 down and we did not lose. 3 great goals all outside the box.
Some still not happy. May as well pack it in how imo. |
I'm guessing many wish to but can't be bothered with usual lack of grace emanating from a few posters who frequent this fine forum. | |
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| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 22:09 - Sep 19 with 1006 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Nathan Jones gives his opinion on why Luton threw away a home win against Swanse on 22:01 - Sep 19 by jackrmee |
Backing off is an intentional change.
Fatigue is not. |
Again, no it isn't. Backing off is protecting what you have, be that due to energy depletion or a natural propensity to defend what you have. Its prevalent in nearly all matches where someone goes in with a lead.
Have you never heard of the notion ''2-0 is a dangerous scoreline''... well that is the reason, not because they think the manager will tell everyone at 2-0 to back. It's your incorrect understanding of the situation and the point made.
They backed off (nobody is claiming manager told them to) for a variety of reasons, we went more direct as I showed you and corrected the line up errors. It worked. | |
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