| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 19:38 - Jan 27 with 2546 views | max936 |
Because he's not, I've no love for Martin, but its as obvious as the nose on your face that the lad has attitude issues and I can just imagine the atmosphere with both him and Patterson together, Poison simple as that, both got previous, did Martin upset players at MKD's? seeing that Darling and Fisher are both here and Matt Riley would have probably come here, it seems very unlikely. |  |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 20:53 - Jan 27 with 2408 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 19:38 - Jan 27 by max936 |
Because he's not, I've no love for Martin, but its as obvious as the nose on your face that the lad has attitude issues and I can just imagine the atmosphere with both him and Patterson together, Poison simple as that, both got previous, did Martin upset players at MKD's? seeing that Darling and Fisher are both here and Matt Riley would have probably come here, it seems very unlikely. |
He is certainly a large part of the blame, it is not even in question. Just because Obafemi also is to blame, that does not absolve Martin and his part in falling out with half the squad for the same reasons that set Obafemi off.
Yes, Martin fell out with Scott Fraser at MK Dons, one of their best players. He said they had made up but he was subsequently sold to Ipswich at the end of that season and moved on.
The bloke has form. |  |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 20:58 - Jan 27 with 2414 views | KeithHaynes |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 20:53 - Jan 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
He is certainly a large part of the blame, it is not even in question. Just because Obafemi also is to blame, that does not absolve Martin and his part in falling out with half the squad for the same reasons that set Obafemi off.
Yes, Martin fell out with Scott Fraser at MK Dons, one of their best players. He said they had made up but he was subsequently sold to Ipswich at the end of that season and moved on.
The bloke has form. |
Half the squad is a bit of an over estimate. |  |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 21:00 - Jan 27 with 2379 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 20:58 - Jan 27 by KeithHaynes |
Half the squad is a bit of an over estimate. |
A third then?
It’s on a scale I’ve never seen before that’s for sure. | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 21:04 - Jan 27 with 2394 views | KeithHaynes |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 21:00 - Jan 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
A third then?
It’s on a scale I’ve never seen before that’s for sure. |
I can see all the main players in the managers nightmares leaving by Tuesday night mate.
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 22:17 - Jan 27 with 2233 views | max936 |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 21:04 - Jan 27 by KeithHaynes |
I can see all the main players in the managers nightmares leaving by Tuesday night mate.
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Who are they, I can't see Whittaker being one, only other one must be Paterson ?? | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 22:34 - Jan 27 with 2186 views | KeithHaynes |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 22:17 - Jan 27 by max936 |
Who are they, I can't see Whittaker being one, only other one must be Paterson ?? |
Not a third of the squad, sorry but … | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 22:50 - Jan 27 with 2136 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 22:17 - Jan 27 by max936 |
Who are they, I can't see Whittaker being one, only other one must be Paterson ?? |
Ogbeta? Fulton? Piroe? Pato? Whittaker?
Whittaker I can see going, Ogbeta pushed out on loan.
My guess would be Pato stays. | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 23:05 - Jan 27 with 2134 views | Badlands |
Planet Swans would disagree
We have seen Michael Obafemi, Jamie Paterson, Jay Fulton, Nat Ogbeta, Ryan Bennett and now Morgan Whittaker all disappear from the first team picture for a variety of reasons but the one consistent throughout remains Martin.
It happened at MK Dons too as described below in the Milton Keynes Citizen “The bad and the Ugly
“Fraser, reacting angrily to instructions from the sidelines, gave an expletive response and it saw him hauled off after just 28 minutes, launching his water bottle across an empty stand behind the dugout. Though the ‘air was cleared’ before the Crewe game next up, Dons turned in a lacklustre performance without Fraser on the pitch. If anything, it proved how reliant Dons had become on the Scot. Though they made up, Fraser was sold to Ipswich in the summer.”
https://planetswans.co.uk/2023 |  |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 01:29 - Jan 28 with 2049 views | dobjack2 |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 23:05 - Jan 27 by Badlands |
Planet Swans would disagree
We have seen Michael Obafemi, Jamie Paterson, Jay Fulton, Nat Ogbeta, Ryan Bennett and now Morgan Whittaker all disappear from the first team picture for a variety of reasons but the one consistent throughout remains Martin.
It happened at MK Dons too as described below in the Milton Keynes Citizen “The bad and the Ugly
“Fraser, reacting angrily to instructions from the sidelines, gave an expletive response and it saw him hauled off after just 28 minutes, launching his water bottle across an empty stand behind the dugout. Though the ‘air was cleared’ before the Crewe game next up, Dons turned in a lacklustre performance without Fraser on the pitch. If anything, it proved how reliant Dons had become on the Scot. Though they made up, Fraser was sold to Ipswich in the summer.”
https://planetswans.co.uk/2023 |
Opinions - everybody has one just like something else we all have. |  | | |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 08:35 - Jan 28 with 1914 views | jack247 |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 23:05 - Jan 27 by Badlands |
Planet Swans would disagree
We have seen Michael Obafemi, Jamie Paterson, Jay Fulton, Nat Ogbeta, Ryan Bennett and now Morgan Whittaker all disappear from the first team picture for a variety of reasons but the one consistent throughout remains Martin.
It happened at MK Dons too as described below in the Milton Keynes Citizen “The bad and the Ugly
“Fraser, reacting angrily to instructions from the sidelines, gave an expletive response and it saw him hauled off after just 28 minutes, launching his water bottle across an empty stand behind the dugout. Though the ‘air was cleared’ before the Crewe game next up, Dons turned in a lacklustre performance without Fraser on the pitch. If anything, it proved how reliant Dons had become on the Scot. Though they made up, Fraser was sold to Ipswich in the summer.”
https://planetswans.co.uk/2023 |
That’s 6 players in a season and a half.
It’s happened to Fulton before, new boss comes in, leaves him out, eventually realises he should be playing. Whittaker was used for cameo appearances by Cooper, which presumably would have been less had he been given the striker he wanted.
Bennett was never going to be a play it out from the back type defender, was a high earner and I think was close to triggering a new contract or a bonus.
Ogbeta is a mystery. It’s one thing with existing players, but why sign someone the manager isn’t going to play.
Not for a second suggesting Martin doesn’t fall out with players and he does appear to have more of a Mourinho than Redknapp approach to players who aren’t in his plans (which isn’t a great trait) but 6 in a year and a half with the two highest profile having well documented attitude issues isn’t a lot.
Every manager will phase players out over that kind of period. | | | |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 08:44 - Jan 28 with 1876 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 08:35 - Jan 28 by jack247 |
That’s 6 players in a season and a half.
It’s happened to Fulton before, new boss comes in, leaves him out, eventually realises he should be playing. Whittaker was used for cameo appearances by Cooper, which presumably would have been less had he been given the striker he wanted.
Bennett was never going to be a play it out from the back type defender, was a high earner and I think was close to triggering a new contract or a bonus.
Ogbeta is a mystery. It’s one thing with existing players, but why sign someone the manager isn’t going to play.
Not for a second suggesting Martin doesn’t fall out with players and he does appear to have more of a Mourinho than Redknapp approach to players who aren’t in his plans (which isn’t a great trait) but 6 in a year and a half with the two highest profile having well documented attitude issues isn’t a lot.
Every manager will phase players out over that kind of period. |
Bit more than players being out of favour, these are relationship issues.
If 6 isn’t a lot…
Give me another manager of ours who has fallen out with 6 players in 18 months, half of which refusing to play for him.
I can’t think of any.
Why are we pretending this is normal? [Post edited 28 Jan 2023 8:45]
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 09:02 - Jan 28 with 1859 views | jack247 |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 08:44 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Bit more than players being out of favour, these are relationship issues.
If 6 isn’t a lot…
Give me another manager of ours who has fallen out with 6 players in 18 months, half of which refusing to play for him.
I can’t think of any.
Why are we pretending this is normal? [Post edited 28 Jan 2023 8:45]
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Not picking someone isn’t falling out with them. He constantly praised Fultons attitude, even when it looked like he had no future here. He was also very complimentary of Bennett when he arrived, but was never going to be allowed to give him his 50th game and I very much doubt he’d have done so anyway given Bennetts skill set.
You’re then down to two players with baggage, a young wing back we should never have signed and Whittaker, who Cooper didn’t want either.
No issue with criticism when it’s merited, I’m just not a big fan of this ‘pin everything on Russell Martin’ culture one or two seem to have adopted | | | |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 09:07 - Jan 28 with 1838 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 09:02 - Jan 28 by jack247 |
Not picking someone isn’t falling out with them. He constantly praised Fultons attitude, even when it looked like he had no future here. He was also very complimentary of Bennett when he arrived, but was never going to be allowed to give him his 50th game and I very much doubt he’d have done so anyway given Bennetts skill set.
You’re then down to two players with baggage, a young wing back we should never have signed and Whittaker, who Cooper didn’t want either.
No issue with criticism when it’s merited, I’m just not a big fan of this ‘pin everything on Russell Martin’ culture one or two seem to have adopted |
Indeed that’s the point I just made.
Falling out with players is a world away from just not picking them. So can you name another manager of ours who has fallen out with 6 players, half of which refused to play for him?
If you can, then great and we can make a case it’s normal.
But I’m pretty sure you can’t. | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 09:26 - Jan 28 with 1825 views | heatwave |
So we can all be confident after Martin's problem players leave.
Things will settle and fallouts will be a thing of the past and be put in the same bin as Process, Metric's and detail.
Well here's hoping anyway. |  | | |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 09:28 - Jan 28 with 1820 views | Dr_Winston |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 21:04 - Jan 27 by KeithHaynes |
I can see all the main players in the managers nightmares leaving by Tuesday night mate.
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Can't wait to see who takes their place. |  |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 10:31 - Jan 28 with 1750 views | Whiterockin |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 09:28 - Jan 28 by Dr_Winston |
Can't wait to see who takes their place. |
I can't wait to see them go and then we go from there. 4 weeks in and 4 days to go Swansea never do it the easy way. |  | | |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:28 - Jan 28 with 1679 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 09:02 - Jan 28 by jack247 |
Not picking someone isn’t falling out with them. He constantly praised Fultons attitude, even when it looked like he had no future here. He was also very complimentary of Bennett when he arrived, but was never going to be allowed to give him his 50th game and I very much doubt he’d have done so anyway given Bennetts skill set.
You’re then down to two players with baggage, a young wing back we should never have signed and Whittaker, who Cooper didn’t want either.
No issue with criticism when it’s merited, I’m just not a big fan of this ‘pin everything on Russell Martin’ culture one or two seem to have adopted |
Isn't everybody forgetting all the players that were not in favour that have been loaned, returned or sold?
Most of whom were young, showed considerable skills and in some cases speed and goal scoring ability.
None of which suited Martin at the time. | | | |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:30 - Jan 28 with 1672 views | KeithHaynes |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:28 - Jan 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
Isn't everybody forgetting all the players that were not in favour that have been loaned, returned or sold?
Most of whom were young, showed considerable skills and in some cases speed and goal scoring ability.
None of which suited Martin at the time. |
Not sure about forgetting, but I’m struggling to remember anyone ? | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:31 - Jan 28 with 1666 views | SullutaCreturned |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 20:53 - Jan 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
He is certainly a large part of the blame, it is not even in question. Just because Obafemi also is to blame, that does not absolve Martin and his part in falling out with half the squad for the same reasons that set Obafemi off.
Yes, Martin fell out with Scott Fraser at MK Dons, one of their best players. He said they had made up but he was subsequently sold to Ipswich at the end of that season and moved on.
The bloke has form. |
Sorry, late to this thread.
There are definitely 3 he's fallen out with and one of those was more a case of wanting more money (Pato) and being told no, initially, so he fell out with Martin/Winter/the owners rather than Martin fell out with him.
Obafemil he has form too which is why we got him from Southampton, they wanted shot.
Whittaker, no falling out but just a player Martin didn't think was ready or maybe not good enough. I disagreed about that but again, he didn't fall out with Martin as apparently it wasn't Martin who recalled him.
Fulton, not rated, no arguments between them and eventually Martin was proved wrong again.
Ogbeta, not a Martin buy, he didn't want him apparently and sent him on loan as apparently he doesn't rate him either...we'll see. But no argument, was there?
The other players seem to think Martin is a top bloke as we have seen by all the hugs and hugh fives when we've won. In fact I have spoken with Matt Grimes and his exact words were "hes a top bloke" [Post edited 28 Jan 2023 11:41]
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:34 - Jan 28 with 1654 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:31 - Jan 28 by SullutaCreturned |
Sorry, late to this thread.
There are definitely 3 he's fallen out with and one of those was more a case of wanting more money (Pato) and being told no, initially, so he fell out with Martin/Winter/the owners rather than Martin fell out with him.
Obafemil he has form too which is why we got him from Southampton, they wanted shot.
Whittaker, no falling out but just a player Martin didn't think was ready or maybe not good enough. I disagreed about that but again, he didn't fall out with Martin as apparently it wasn't Martin who recalled him.
Fulton, not rated, no arguments between them and eventually Martin was proved wrong again.
Ogbeta, not a Martin buy, he didn't want him apparently and sent him on loan as apparently he doesn't rate him either...we'll see. But no argument, was there?
The other players seem to think Martin is a top bloke as we have seen by all the hugs and hugh fives when we've won. In fact I have spoken with Matt Grimes and his exact words were "hes a top bloke" [Post edited 28 Jan 2023 11:41]
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It was an expression of speech, when questioned I put a loose figure of a third on it.
Match day squad is 18 players, a third of that is 6.
The 6 are named above. | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:45 - Jan 28 with 1627 views | SullutaCreturned |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:34 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
It was an expression of speech, when questioned I put a loose figure of a third on it.
Match day squad is 18 players, a third of that is 6.
The 6 are named above. |
Yes but you say he has fallen out with them, he hasn't really, has he. Not picking anyone doesnt mean an argument. Pato insyigated the argument over money. Obafemi instigated the argument over Burnley. Piroe maybe but claiming it's 6 seems a tad exuberant. | | | |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:57 - Jan 28 with 1619 views | Badlands |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:31 - Jan 28 by SullutaCreturned |
Sorry, late to this thread.
There are definitely 3 he's fallen out with and one of those was more a case of wanting more money (Pato) and being told no, initially, so he fell out with Martin/Winter/the owners rather than Martin fell out with him.
Obafemil he has form too which is why we got him from Southampton, they wanted shot.
Whittaker, no falling out but just a player Martin didn't think was ready or maybe not good enough. I disagreed about that but again, he didn't fall out with Martin as apparently it wasn't Martin who recalled him.
Fulton, not rated, no arguments between them and eventually Martin was proved wrong again.
Ogbeta, not a Martin buy, he didn't want him apparently and sent him on loan as apparently he doesn't rate him either...we'll see. But no argument, was there?
The other players seem to think Martin is a top bloke as we have seen by all the hugs and hugh fives when we've won. In fact I have spoken with Matt Grimes and his exact words were "hes a top bloke" [Post edited 28 Jan 2023 11:41]
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Martin apologists seem to ignore the same pattern at his previous club. | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 12:06 - Jan 28 with 1601 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:45 - Jan 28 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes but you say he has fallen out with them, he hasn't really, has he. Not picking anyone doesnt mean an argument. Pato insyigated the argument over money. Obafemi instigated the argument over Burnley. Piroe maybe but claiming it's 6 seems a tad exuberant. |
Yes he has.
Nothing exuberant about it at all.
You are wrong on both counts. Pato did not instigate any argument over money, Obafemi did not instigate any argument over Burnley.
Obafemi deleted all swans related content from his social media long before Burnley came calling.
I’m happy with the ‘third of the squad’ evaluation, I’ll be sticking with it. | |
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| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 12:21 - Jan 28 with 1591 views | dobjack2 |
| WOL again prove the Obafemi point on 11:57 - Jan 28 by Badlands |
Martin apologists seem to ignore the same pattern at his previous club. |
Martin haters seem to twist any story to suit their narrative. | | | |
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