| Allowing Children to get Covid 12:25 - Jul 5 with 2488 views | RonaldStump |
Professor Robert Dingwall ( a member of the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation) believes that children may be better protected by natural immunity generated through infection than by asking them to take part in the worlds biggest ever human experiment.
What do you think?
Yay or nay? |  |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 13:11 - Jul 5 with 1116 views | Professor |
They have already become an experiment of letting them develop herd immunity like the crackpots wanted for us all. Look forward to the long term problems many are going to face post infection. At least not many will die.
On a serious note I am not convinced of the benefit of vaccination under-12s, but there is a good argument for 12-18 year olds. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:34 - Jul 5 with 1080 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Universities were a case in point last Autumn, I think the Asian flu epidemic in the late 1950s included a strategy to infect young people at very low risk to help build immunity in the population. |  |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:43 - Jul 5 with 1069 views | Professor |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:34 - Jul 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Universities were a case in point last Autumn, I think the Asian flu epidemic in the late 1950s included a strategy to infect young people at very low risk to help build immunity in the population. |
In terms of the respiratory disease I don't have much issue. it's the sequelae being called 'Long Covid" especially the frequent neurological effects which seem more prevalent in the young that I worry about. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:19 - Jul 5 with 1011 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:43 - Jul 5 by Professor |
In terms of the respiratory disease I don't have much issue. it's the sequelae being called 'Long Covid" especially the frequent neurological effects which seem more prevalent in the young that I worry about. |
I have no idea where you get your data from, certainly not the ONS.
Under 16 long vivid is virtually non existent compared to the 35 to 70 year age groups.
Unfortunately and unusually they have clumped the 17 year olds in to the 17-24 age group.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditio | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:17 - Jul 5 with 1025 views | Professor |
You are so wrong here or many levels.
https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/27/archdischild-2021-321882
This is a viewpoint by a leading group on paediatrics
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
This is part of the recent ONS data that has flagged up MUCH HIGHER LEVELS of Long covid in children.
I don't think the level of somewhere around 8% or more given there are perhaps 10K cases per day in under 18s as we speak is insignificant-that's thousands per week. To the extent in England specialist support has been set up due to recognition that this is a big problem. One such report:
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-to-launch-long-covid-services-for-childr
So that's the science-you are wrong yet again.
Let's take the personal.
I have a 15 year old son-his risk currently of getting infected in school is high. Do you not think I am right to be concerned?
My wife works as a teaching assistant. She has had FIVE episodes of self-isolation due to COVID bubble breakdowns. My daughter is working in the school's nursery/pre-school. She had gad TWO self isolations. Unlike my wife she is yet to be fully vaccinated (at 19). Do you not think I am right to be concerned?
You are an utter disgrace. Your post is shameful and hideous.. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 16:26]
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:43 - Jul 5 with 999 views | onehunglow |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:17 - Jul 5 by Professor |
You are so wrong here or many levels.
https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/27/archdischild-2021-321882
This is a viewpoint by a leading group on paediatrics
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
This is part of the recent ONS data that has flagged up MUCH HIGHER LEVELS of Long covid in children.
I don't think the level of somewhere around 8% or more given there are perhaps 10K cases per day in under 18s as we speak is insignificant-that's thousands per week. To the extent in England specialist support has been set up due to recognition that this is a big problem. One such report:
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-to-launch-long-covid-services-for-childr
So that's the science-you are wrong yet again.
Let's take the personal.
I have a 15 year old son-his risk currently of getting infected in school is high. Do you not think I am right to be concerned?
My wife works as a teaching assistant. She has had FIVE episodes of self-isolation due to COVID bubble breakdowns. My daughter is working in the school's nursery/pre-school. She had gad TWO self isolations. Unlike my wife she is yet to be fully vaccinated (at 19). Do you not think I am right to be concerned?
You are an utter disgrace. Your post is shameful and hideous.. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 16:26]
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Paul. I have used strong terms to describe that which fans dad,Ron stump 73 post on this subject as they are posting the most dangerous and persistent trash that is literally fatal.
They cannot present a defence because they are both spineless and deeply lacking in judgement.
I stand by every word I’ve posted on this subject.
It is a killer. I lost my vest chum through it. A fit ,nit old and intelligent man wiped out by Covid.
Have to say hope I never meet anyone face to face who spouts this crap as I will get violent.Seriously.
We have had enough death by stupidity.
You are having a tough time no doubt.
Good luck | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:47 - Jul 5 with 1000 views | Professor |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:43 - Jul 5 by onehunglow |
Paul. I have used strong terms to describe that which fans dad,Ron stump 73 post on this subject as they are posting the most dangerous and persistent trash that is literally fatal.
They cannot present a defence because they are both spineless and deeply lacking in judgement.
I stand by every word I’ve posted on this subject.
It is a killer. I lost my vest chum through it. A fit ,nit old and intelligent man wiped out by Covid.
Have to say hope I never meet anyone face to face who spouts this crap as I will get violent.Seriously.
We have had enough death by stupidity.
You are having a tough time no doubt.
Good luck |
Thanks Rich-been worse for the wife, who was stuck at home again last week.
Some are too cavalier, even allowing infected kids to meet up with those uninfected. Beggars belief.
Not sure everyone gets how bad the situation is in the NW. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:53 - Jul 5 with 993 views | onehunglow |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:47 - Jul 5 by Professor |
Thanks Rich-been worse for the wife, who was stuck at home again last week.
Some are too cavalier, even allowing infected kids to meet up with those uninfected. Beggars belief.
Not sure everyone gets how bad the situation is in the NW. |
With wifeys history we were super careful anyway. Can’t see anything wrong with being careful .
I see what I do and recoil in horror.
We may have fundamental differences but I admire you as a man and how you earn your corn.
Pity you ain’t retired as I could cycle down and blag a triple Nichols special from yiu.
House Extention complete now so may open for away fans when we get back to playing in Liverpool. I don’t want us to play at Preston Park though | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:17 - Jul 5 with 984 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:47 - Jul 5 by Professor |
Thanks Rich-been worse for the wife, who was stuck at home again last week.
Some are too cavalier, even allowing infected kids to meet up with those uninfected. Beggars belief.
Not sure everyone gets how bad the situation is in the NW. |
The uk government are idiots who do not listen and learn. |  |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:40 - Jul 5 with 954 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:17 - Jul 5 by Professor |
You are so wrong here or many levels.
https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/27/archdischild-2021-321882
This is a viewpoint by a leading group on paediatrics
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
This is part of the recent ONS data that has flagged up MUCH HIGHER LEVELS of Long covid in children.
I don't think the level of somewhere around 8% or more given there are perhaps 10K cases per day in under 18s as we speak is insignificant-that's thousands per week. To the extent in England specialist support has been set up due to recognition that this is a big problem. One such report:
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-to-launch-long-covid-services-for-childr
So that's the science-you are wrong yet again.
Let's take the personal.
I have a 15 year old son-his risk currently of getting infected in school is high. Do you not think I am right to be concerned?
My wife works as a teaching assistant. She has had FIVE episodes of self-isolation due to COVID bubble breakdowns. My daughter is working in the school's nursery/pre-school. She had gad TWO self isolations. Unlike my wife she is yet to be fully vaccinated (at 19). Do you not think I am right to be concerned?
You are an utter disgrace. Your post is shameful and hideous.. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 16:26]
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So you want to vaccinate all the 12s to 18s based on the possibility of long covid neurological problems which don't currently figure in the top 3 issues, while ignoring the possibility of death and long term issues from the vaccines themselves.
I know you do not acknowledge that vaccines cause such problems, but long covid is currently 5 to 10 times less likely in the young compared to adults.
By all means take the choice & the chances with your own son's life but you should not advocate it for everybody else's kids without them being fully informed of all the risks and alternatives, which you also do not acknowledge.
Your relatives having to isolate is not a valid reason for giving every kid the vaccine if there is the slightest possibility that will harm them. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 17:58]
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:51 - Jul 5 with 970 views | Professor |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:40 - Jul 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
So you want to vaccinate all the 12s to 18s based on the possibility of long covid neurological problems which don't currently figure in the top 3 issues, while ignoring the possibility of death and long term issues from the vaccines themselves.
I know you do not acknowledge that vaccines cause such problems, but long covid is currently 5 to 10 times less likely in the young compared to adults.
By all means take the choice & the chances with your own son's life but you should not advocate it for everybody else's kids without them being fully informed of all the risks and alternatives, which you also do not acknowledge.
Your relatives having to isolate is not a valid reason for giving every kid the vaccine if there is the slightest possibility that will harm them. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 17:58]
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Duck off you putrid snake. You don’t even begin to understand the stress of uncertainty this is bringing to people. It’s killing people’s mental health. Vaccination os the only way out It’s not your choice to make for my family.. You are on ignore . There you stay. Had enough of your bull and bile | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 22:43 - Jul 5 with 894 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:51 - Jul 5 by Professor |
Duck off you putrid snake. You don’t even begin to understand the stress of uncertainty this is bringing to people. It’s killing people’s mental health. Vaccination os the only way out It’s not your choice to make for my family.. You are on ignore . There you stay. Had enough of your bull and bile |
Well isn't that interesting?
I suggest the the great prof does not have the right to dictate to all the families in the UK what decision they make over thier kids health.
But when I do agree that he does have the right to choose for his own family, he accuses me of trying to make the choice for his family.
And then flounces off like a prima donna. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 00:20 - Jul 6 with 894 views | hobo |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:47 - Jul 5 by Professor |
Thanks Rich-been worse for the wife, who was stuck at home again last week.
Some are too cavalier, even allowing infected kids to meet up with those uninfected. Beggars belief.
Not sure everyone gets how bad the situation is in the NW. |
you're confusing those with positive tests as 'infected kids'. If they are asymptomatic then the risks are negligible |  | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 06:41 - Jul 6 with 864 views | RonaldStump |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:43 - Jul 5 by onehunglow |
Paul. I have used strong terms to describe that which fans dad,Ron stump 73 post on this subject as they are posting the most dangerous and persistent trash that is literally fatal.
They cannot present a defence because they are both spineless and deeply lacking in judgement.
I stand by every word I’ve posted on this subject.
It is a killer. I lost my vest chum through it. A fit ,nit old and intelligent man wiped out by Covid.
Have to say hope I never meet anyone face to face who spouts this crap as I will get violent.Seriously.
We have had enough death by stupidity.
You are having a tough time no doubt.
Good luck |
Who do you think you are? Making threats to people who have concerns about what is going on that differ to yours?
One of the biggest problems we have currently is the LACK of debate on these issues.
Conspiracy theorists (who actually get everything right) Anti vaxxers (who are up to date on all vax apart from the experiment)
Just because you believe the utter nonsense spouted by proven liars that include of all people Tony Blair, the current government , SAGE marxists and every other paid liar that's come out from under their rocks. Doesn't make it fact.
Brainwashed compliant nutters like you are complicit in the deaths of many people around the world, untreated/diagnosed illness's, mental health, suicide, domestic abuse.
As long as there are people like you in the world we will never get back to normality EVER
What would you say if your grand children ever asked you what you did in the war? would it make you proud .....thought not | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 06:55 - Jul 6 with 856 views | Scotia |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 00:20 - Jul 6 by hobo |
you're confusing those with positive tests as 'infected kids'. If they are asymptomatic then the risks are negligible |
No they are infected. Asymptomatic does not mean that the risks of transmission are negligible. Potentially, even probably, less than those with symptoms but there is still a significant risk. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 07:44 - Jul 6 with 838 views | felixstowe_jack |
Seems perfectly sensible to vaccinate over 16s next as they are likely to move to sixth form colleges in September. If they are vaccinate less risk to teachers (although all teachers should be double vaccinated by then). There will be far less distribution to their education in the two vital years before university. | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 08:00 - Jul 6 with 834 views | Dr_Winston |
I think we're at the point where we have to vaccinate kids (against everything, not Covid) whether their parents consent or not. If children are recklessly endangered due to the stupidity and actions of those meant to care for them then Social Services get involved, and in the worst cases the children are removed.
Not seeing a lot of difference TBH. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 08:15 - Jul 6 with 820 views | RonaldStump |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 08:00 - Jul 6 by Dr_Winston |
I think we're at the point where we have to vaccinate kids (against everything, not Covid) whether their parents consent or not. If children are recklessly endangered due to the stupidity and actions of those meant to care for them then Social Services get involved, and in the worst cases the children are removed.
Not seeing a lot of difference TBH. |
Wow .....Just wow.
I seriously have no words. | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 08:27 - Jul 6 with 810 views | Whiterockin |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 08:15 - Jul 6 by RonaldStump |
Wow .....Just wow.
I seriously have no words. |
He has a point. Many parents have things taken out of their hands for endangering the health and safety of their children. Should parents opinion be forced onto their children? |  |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:23 - Jul 6 with 771 views | RonaldStump |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 08:27 - Jul 6 by Whiterockin |
He has a point. Many parents have things taken out of their hands for endangering the health and safety of their children. Should parents opinion be forced onto their children? |
So you think it's OK for children whose parents don't want their kids vaccinated due to the fact they are at virtually zero risk (which is proven) to be taken off them and forcibly vaccinated. I couldn't think of many more things more horrific myself [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 9:24]
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:29 - Jul 6 with 762 views | Whiterockin |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:23 - Jul 6 by RonaldStump |
So you think it's OK for children whose parents don't want their kids vaccinated due to the fact they are at virtually zero risk (which is proven) to be taken off them and forcibly vaccinated. I couldn't think of many more things more horrific myself [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 9:24]
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I'm just saying it is something to be considered if proved to be necessary to the long term benefit to the child. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 9:30]
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:31 - Jul 6 with 748 views | onehunglow |
Kids brought up by Jehovah Winesses and needing a life saving transfusion CAN be treated and parents overuled.That way ,kid is saved instead of being sent to "wait for Jehovah ".
Kid often have killing parents,kill their bodies ,kill their sprits,kill their hopes.
Everyone had a small pox jab and were glad to have it. | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:35 - Jul 6 with 737 views | Dr_Winston |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:29 - Jul 6 by Whiterockin |
I'm just saying it is something to be considered if proved to be necessary to the long term benefit to the child. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 9:30]
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It's not just Covid. I'd introduce mandatory measles vaccinations too. We need to protect kids from the kind of cretinous parents who believe everything they see on YouTube. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:39 - Jul 6 with 732 views | Catullus |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 08:27 - Jul 6 by Whiterockin |
He has a point. Many parents have things taken out of their hands for endangering the health and safety of their children. Should parents opinion be forced onto their children? |
Unless we are going totally "Nanny state" then the parents opinions have to be respected, even if most of us disagree. Unless of course those opinions are so loopy and dangerous that even Mr McMad of the McMad clan thinks they are totally crazy!
I would consent to my son being vaccinated but it has to be the right jab because he has asthma and food allergies. | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:48 - Jul 6 with 718 views | Catullus |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:43 - Jul 5 by Professor |
In terms of the respiratory disease I don't have much issue. it's the sequelae being called 'Long Covid" especially the frequent neurological effects which seem more prevalent in the young that I worry about. |
Hey Prof, speaking as someone with Fibromyalgia, a lot of these "long covid" symptoms seem to match up with a lot of my symptoms, fatigue, dizziness, unexplained pain, brain fog, insomnia, pins and needles, depression, nausea. I haven't had covid and I was diagnosed with Fibro 10 years ago.
Is this long covid actually fibromyalgia that has been triggered by covid? They don't know what triggered mine but I suspect extreme stress. They don't know for sure what causes fibro but abnormal levels of some chemicals, changes in the central nervous system and physical or emotional stress are all linked to it.
Have I asked this before? | |
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