| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early 12:55 - Nov 27 with 3460 views | SwansIndependent |
 Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early 27th Nov 2021 12:51Both Swansea City strikers Michael Obafemi and Morgan Whittaker were in training by 9am this morning. As to why on a match day these two players would be doing extra rounds is open to speculation. However, what we do know is the rest of the squad selected for today were not with them bar a few of the usual treatment issues pre match.  1
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:02 - Nov 27 with 1905 views | KeithHaynes |
Both don’t feature again today.
Swansea City: Ben Hamer; Ryan Bennett, Kyle Naughton, Rhys Williams; Ethan Laird, Korey Smith, Matt Grimes (captain), Ryan Manning; Olivier Ntcham, Jamie Paterson; Joel Piroe.
Substitutes: Steven Benda, Flynn Downes, Brandon Cooper, Liam Cullen, Joel Latibeaudiere, Jake Bidwell, Liam Walsh.
Reading: Luke Southwood, Tom Holmes, Alen Halilovic, Andy Carroll, John Swift, Danny Drinkwater, Andy Yiadom (captain), Tom Dele-Bashiru, Baba Rahman, Scott Dann, Josh Laurent.
Substitutes: Rafael Cabral, Dejan Tetek, Femi Azeez, Mamadi Camara, George Puscas, Tyrell Ashcroft, Kelvin Abrefa. |  |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:12 - Nov 27 with 1869 views | 3swan |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:02 - Nov 27 by KeithHaynes |
Both don’t feature again today.
Swansea City: Ben Hamer; Ryan Bennett, Kyle Naughton, Rhys Williams; Ethan Laird, Korey Smith, Matt Grimes (captain), Ryan Manning; Olivier Ntcham, Jamie Paterson; Joel Piroe.
Substitutes: Steven Benda, Flynn Downes, Brandon Cooper, Liam Cullen, Joel Latibeaudiere, Jake Bidwell, Liam Walsh.
Reading: Luke Southwood, Tom Holmes, Alen Halilovic, Andy Carroll, John Swift, Danny Drinkwater, Andy Yiadom (captain), Tom Dele-Bashiru, Baba Rahman, Scott Dann, Josh Laurent.
Substitutes: Rafael Cabral, Dejan Tetek, Femi Azeez, Mamadi Camara, George Puscas, Tyrell Ashcroft, Kelvin Abrefa. |
Very strange, I can understand extra training in the week. Was it a last fitness test before picking the squad for today? I doubt it. Something far from right, is he now into humiliation as a last resort? | | | |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:23 - Nov 27 with 1827 views | KeithHaynes |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:12 - Nov 27 by 3swan |
Very strange, I can understand extra training in the week. Was it a last fitness test before picking the squad for today? I doubt it. Something far from right, is he now into humiliation as a last resort? |
Definitely down to attitude and behaviour for me, they both seem disinterested. | |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:42 - Nov 27 with 1766 views | Luther27 |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:23 - Nov 27 by KeithHaynes |
Definitely down to attitude and behaviour for me, they both seem disinterested. |
Not good news that. Loan moves in January for both I’m assuming but who replaces them I wonder. | | | |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:50 - Nov 27 with 1757 views | KeithHaynes |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:42 - Nov 27 by Luther27 |
Not good news that. Loan moves in January for both I’m assuming but who replaces them I wonder. |
The lad at Leeds is on the horizon but I’m pretty certain he isn’t as good as Obafemi. | |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 16:32 - Nov 27 with 1630 views | AndyCole |
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An unrivalled scoop, fair play. Let's hope Martin is fast tracking them up to speed ASAP - we need them both, desperately.
#9 Oba, in particular is the missing link Right Now........ dynamism up top
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 16:46 - Nov 27 with 1617 views | Fireboy2 |
These two are an embarrassment, they are professional footballers who earn more than we can dream of and they just waste their talent. |  | | |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 17:33 - Nov 27 with 1566 views | Dr_Winston |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:23 - Nov 27 by KeithHaynes |
Definitely down to attitude and behaviour for me, they both seem disinterested. |
In fairness if Liam Cullen was getting opportunities ahead of me in the team I'd be pissed off too. |  |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 17:45 - Nov 27 with 1550 views | AndyCole |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 14:23 - Nov 27 by KeithHaynes |
Definitely down to attitude and behaviour for me, they both seem disinterested. |
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I see what you're saying re 'seem disinterested'.
However, for me players like Oba need space, some headroom to grow, to express themselves. And then kick on. Martin needs to give him that space, right now.
I read something recently about Oba looking up to Bony as a potential role model. Some of the parallels are obvious, the languid seeming disinterested laid back persona. Stuff to slag him off with. Yet the key is the explosive finish. Oba has the potential to usurp the big man, with his explosiveness.
I also read how Oba loves the Swans Bony/Oba song and how much he loves and appreciates the chant: 'Cmon Obafemi, score some goals for Swansea' .
If I was Martin, esp right now when we need that explosive spark in the final third after losing to a team in the bottom echelons, Oba is a must on the starting teamsheet.
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 17:46 - Nov 27 with 1548 views | Fireboy2 |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 17:33 - Nov 27 by Dr_Winston |
In fairness if Liam Cullen was getting opportunities ahead of me in the team I'd be pissed off too. |
RM has stated that Liam trains far better than those two.
I've played with and coached some players with so much talent but couldn't be bothered to train hard because they knew their place was guaranteed, perhaps RM is picking them to show them that no matter how much talent you have don't just think that your place is guaranteed. | | | |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:05 - Nov 27 with 1508 views | Chief |
This situation needs to be sorted as soon as possible. Game was crying out fit something different for the Reading defence to think about. |  |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:15 - Nov 27 with 1493 views | KeithHaynes |
Obafemi as corny stated in the match report is as equally to blame for this defeat by his absence as that awful defending. | |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:17 - Nov 27 with 1484 views | jasper_T |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 17:46 - Nov 27 by Fireboy2 |
RM has stated that Liam trains far better than those two.
I've played with and coached some players with so much talent but couldn't be bothered to train hard because they knew their place was guaranteed, perhaps RM is picking them to show them that no matter how much talent you have don't just think that your place is guaranteed. |
Just because a player trains well doesn't mean they're the right choice on matchday. Fulton has been one of the best in training for years according to many players. Dan James was (relatively) awful.
British managers tend to be very focused on training session performances as the audition for the weekend game. When you're in the second tier sometimes you have to make a choice between the ones who work the hardest and the ones who have the most talent.
Martin himself said the other day he was worried he'd trained the group too hard, to the detriment of our performance. "Just work harder, mun" isn't the secret to football. | | | |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:17 - Nov 27 with 1482 views | KeithHaynes |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 16:32 - Nov 27 by AndyCole |
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An unrivalled scoop, fair play. Let's hope Martin is fast tracking them up to speed ASAP - we need them both, desperately.
#9 Oba, in particular is the missing link Right Now........ dynamism up top
Mercurial Monsieur is looking leggy |
He needs to knuckle down, he isn’t any different to anyone else, it seems he is using up his chances.
Definitely a challenge to Martin’s management ability. | |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:21 - Nov 27 with 1476 views | Dr_Winston |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 17:46 - Nov 27 by Fireboy2 |
RM has stated that Liam trains far better than those two.
I've played with and coached some players with so much talent but couldn't be bothered to train hard because they knew their place was guaranteed, perhaps RM is picking them to show them that no matter how much talent you have don't just think that your place is guaranteed. |
On the flip side of that he's demonstrating that running around in training is valued as highly as talent. | |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:34 - Nov 27 with 1448 views | KeithHaynes |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 17:46 - Nov 27 by Fireboy2 |
RM has stated that Liam trains far better than those two.
I've played with and coached some players with so much talent but couldn't be bothered to train hard because they knew their place was guaranteed, perhaps RM is picking them to show them that no matter how much talent you have don't just think that your place is guaranteed. |
Which RM has indicated on numerous occasions, despite what people think about that tact, it’s a fact. | |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 19:32 - Nov 27 with 1378 views | AndyCole |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:17 - Nov 27 by jasper_T |
Just because a player trains well doesn't mean they're the right choice on matchday. Fulton has been one of the best in training for years according to many players. Dan James was (relatively) awful.
British managers tend to be very focused on training session performances as the audition for the weekend game. When you're in the second tier sometimes you have to make a choice between the ones who work the hardest and the ones who have the most talent.
Martin himself said the other day he was worried he'd trained the group too hard, to the detriment of our performance. "Just work harder, mun" isn't the secret to football. |
Spot on.
Exactly, there's clearly a disconnect in Martin's judgement right now.
The art of managing is recognising What Works Best for the current dynamic. Cooper had that in spades.
Martin, despite his obvious talents, massively needs to work on this for our final third set-up, dynamic and selection.
For me - it's time for Martin to take an educated punt on the explosive Oba.
Downes should be the obvious casualty, as per. Oba for Downes is so very very obvious.
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 19:40 - Nov 27 with 1368 views | Fireboy2 |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 19:32 - Nov 27 by AndyCole |
Spot on.
Exactly, there's clearly a disconnect in Martin's judgement right now.
The art of managing is recognising What Works Best for the current dynamic. Cooper had that in spades.
Martin, despite his obvious talents, massively needs to work on this for our final third set-up, dynamic and selection.
For me - it's time for Martin to take an educated punt on the explosive Oba.
Downes should be the obvious casualty, as per. Oba for Downes is so very very obvious.
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Didn't you mention that we should be looking for solutions instead of blaming who and what?
Make your scatty mind up. | | | |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 19:52 - Nov 27 with 1351 views | vetchonian |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 19:32 - Nov 27 by AndyCole |
Spot on.
Exactly, there's clearly a disconnect in Martin's judgement right now.
The art of managing is recognising What Works Best for the current dynamic. Cooper had that in spades.
Martin, despite his obvious talents, massively needs to work on this for our final third set-up, dynamic and selection.
For me - it's time for Martin to take an educated punt on the explosive Oba.
Downes should be the obvious casualty, as per. Oba for Downes is so very very obvious.
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you shouldn't be using the C word | |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:02 - Nov 27 with 1335 views | max936 |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:15 - Nov 27 by KeithHaynes |
Obafemi as corny stated in the match report is as equally to blame for this defeat by his absence as that awful defending. |
Of course he is, if he's to lazy to apply himself in training then there's no chance of him being involved in the 1st team squad, he's a massive disappointment and sadly a waste of the fee we paid for him, he's happy though has he's made himself more than a few quid, but it could have been so much more, he has the attributes to be a real talent, but unless he's prepared to apply himself he's pissing into the wind.
Someone needs to get hold of him and shake him into reality and he just might turn the corner. |  |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:02 - Nov 27 with 1334 views | AndyCole |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 18:17 - Nov 27 by KeithHaynes |
He needs to knuckle down, he isn’t any different to anyone else, it seems he is using up his chances.
Definitely a challenge to Martin’s management ability. |
This is the crux of it.
From what I glean, Martin is so up to the task, and the likes of Oba recognise and appreciate this.
And as such the time is right for what Oba needs - a true and proper balls out run out, WITH the backing and utter consent of the manager. Any CF worth his salt would relish that opportunity, and any proper top-level manager worth his salt will recognise this need, right now.
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:15 - Nov 27 with 1317 views | Fireboy2 |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:02 - Nov 27 by AndyCole |
This is the crux of it.
From what I glean, Martin is so up to the task, and the likes of Oba recognise and appreciate this.
And as such the time is right for what Oba needs - a true and proper balls out run out, WITH the backing and utter consent of the manager. Any CF worth his salt would relish that opportunity, and any proper top-level manager worth his salt will recognise this need, right now.
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But surely if his attitude isn't good enough in training then he doesn't deserve the chance to showcase the skills that we know he does possess. | | | |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:27 - Nov 27 with 1302 views | jasper_T |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:15 - Nov 27 by Fireboy2 |
But surely if his attitude isn't good enough in training then he doesn't deserve the chance to showcase the skills that we know he does possess. |
It's not about whether he "deserves the chance" to play, or show off in front of a crowd. Swansea City is a football club trying to win matches with the assets at its disposal, not a charity out to reward good lads who work hard.
imo Obafemi's issue isn't that he's a poor worker, it's that he's a mediocre and injury prone talent in the first place. Whittaker a different case as he's shown he can be a threat at this level (when played in his position up front). Overlooking a lad who scores goals on a Saturday because he doesn't make enough sprints on a Thursday is missing the forest for the trees: prizing the method over the result. | | | |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:30 - Nov 27 with 1296 views | NotLoyal |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:27 - Nov 27 by jasper_T |
It's not about whether he "deserves the chance" to play, or show off in front of a crowd. Swansea City is a football club trying to win matches with the assets at its disposal, not a charity out to reward good lads who work hard.
imo Obafemi's issue isn't that he's a poor worker, it's that he's a mediocre and injury prone talent in the first place. Whittaker a different case as he's shown he can be a threat at this level (when played in his position up front). Overlooking a lad who scores goals on a Saturday because he doesn't make enough sprints on a Thursday is missing the forest for the trees: prizing the method over the result. |
So the manager should reward oba for not turning up on time and not putting effort in like everyone else?
How do you think that would go down the those players who do? |  |
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| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:34 - Nov 27 with 1274 views | vetchonian |
| Whittaker and Obafemi are called in to training early on 20:30 - Nov 27 by NotLoyal |
So the manager should reward oba for not turning up on time and not putting effort in like everyone else?
How do you think that would go down the those players who do? |
I think Jasper was stating Whittakers case....it is a mystery to me as to why he hasn't had opportunity up front......yes he has had a couple of cameos of late but at eong back and even on the left when he is right footed. | |
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