| Conceding set piece goals yesterday 11:19 - Nov 6 with 1370 views | magicdaps10 |
Doesn't reflect well on the set piece coach.
Both flat balls that were whipped in from the same side, the first one is bad enough but to concede the 2nd is undefendable really!
We weren't great but we defend those and we win that game yesterday.
Another thing I don't get, why are some fans having a go at our possession again and blaming the draw on that........we seem to be making mistakes without the ball and not with it so possession can't be blamed for the goals conceded.
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We came back from 2 down for a point, we seem to have a knack of getting back into games after conceding first.......we need to cut these errors out and it's a big ask with such a young squad especially such a young backline.
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:26 - Nov 6 with 1337 views | vetchonian |
because when we were 2 nil down we were content to pass backwards and sideways in our own half..despite several players making forward runs ....
it has been said by others inherently on other threads this slow ponderous possesion style we have does the opposite to what possession football is intended instead of pulling the opposition out of shape our ponderous play allows them time to reset . |  |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:37 - Nov 6 with 1330 views | jack247 |
It’s fashionable to have a go at high possession stats at the moment.
The trouble is, just looking at percentages doesn’t differentiate between the kind of football we played all of last season and the start of this, where it genuinely was possession for possessions sake and scenarios like we’ve had lately where teams are happy with a point, take the lead anyway and just sit deep and let us have the ball.
We are more efficient when teams come at us, which means lower possession, pass completion etc but better chances created. When they sit back like Wigan, Reading, Preston, Bristol and Cardiff have all done lately, we’re going to have more possession whether we want it or not.
We’ve been better defending set pieces this season. I agree though, both goals were very avoidable. Even the biggest optimist can’t defend either of them. Two near post headers, direct from the corners with neither of them really challenged isn’t acceptable in anyones book. | | | |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:41 - Nov 6 with 1324 views | vetchonian |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:37 - Nov 6 by jack247 |
It’s fashionable to have a go at high possession stats at the moment.
The trouble is, just looking at percentages doesn’t differentiate between the kind of football we played all of last season and the start of this, where it genuinely was possession for possessions sake and scenarios like we’ve had lately where teams are happy with a point, take the lead anyway and just sit deep and let us have the ball.
We are more efficient when teams come at us, which means lower possession, pass completion etc but better chances created. When they sit back like Wigan, Reading, Preston, Bristol and Cardiff have all done lately, we’re going to have more possession whether we want it or not.
We’ve been better defending set pieces this season. I agree though, both goals were very avoidable. Even the biggest optimist can’t defend either of them. Two near post headers, direct from the corners with neither of them really challenged isn’t acceptable in anyones book. |
But Wigan didnt sit back until they scored the goal...before that they were having a go.
A good coach by now would have worked out how to counter these teams sitting back......Other teams know how we will play so they just sit there knowing the ball will go back and sideways so if they just keep there shape we wont penetrate.........we wont try a ball over the top or into the channels or try some width. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:55 - Nov 6 with 1313 views | RichardO |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:41 - Nov 6 by vetchonian |
But Wigan didnt sit back until they scored the goal...before that they were having a go.
A good coach by now would have worked out how to counter these teams sitting back......Other teams know how we will play so they just sit there knowing the ball will go back and sideways so if they just keep there shape we wont penetrate.........we wont try a ball over the top or into the channels or try some width. |
We conceded the higher position up park by not attacking the high ball happy to regain possession deep in our third. Trouble is we deploy midfield players deep to nudge attackers off the ball instead of leaving a competent defense deal with it by themselves and if they attack the balls the midfield doesn't have to be in line with the defenders and could actually compete for the ball in the midfield | | | |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:58 - Nov 6 with 1308 views | jack247 |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:41 - Nov 6 by vetchonian |
But Wigan didnt sit back until they scored the goal...before that they were having a go.
A good coach by now would have worked out how to counter these teams sitting back......Other teams know how we will play so they just sit there knowing the ball will go back and sideways so if they just keep there shape we wont penetrate.........we wont try a ball over the top or into the channels or try some width. |
They scored in the 8th minute. The possession stats would have been more even until that point.
You can’t play balls over the top or into channels when the opponents have everyone back. That’s the point. You need to drag them upfield a bit to open up the space to make those tactics effective.
From the 5 games mentioned, we’ve won 2, drawn 2 and lost 1. Not scintillating form, but hardly disastrous either.
I agree, we do need to work out how to break that type of team down. Ntcham is capable of it, Cooper can thread clever little balls to our strikers, but we are missing a touch of guile and neither of our strikers are anywhere near last seasons form.
If Piroe had his shooting boots back, we’d have likely won the last couple and conversations on here would look very different. | | | |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 12:21 - Nov 6 with 1282 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
To be fair to the ginger bellend those corner deliveries were absolutely top class. I don’t think we’ve had anyone who can deliver a decent corner in donkeys years.
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 12:30 - Nov 6 with 1263 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 12:34 - Nov 6 with 1244 views | magicdaps10 |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:41 - Nov 6 by vetchonian |
But Wigan didnt sit back until they scored the goal...before that they were having a go.
A good coach by now would have worked out how to counter these teams sitting back......Other teams know how we will play so they just sit there knowing the ball will go back and sideways so if they just keep there shape we wont penetrate.........we wont try a ball over the top or into the channels or try some width. |
That surely has to be a joke! They scored after 8 minutes!
And we did penentrate.......we scored 2 goals.
Other teams aside from Preston in the lady dozen or so games we have scored so quite clearly you are totally wrong in regards to other teams and us not penetrating.
You have been caught up in the possession jackanory that DrP........ststs don't give the true story the vast majority of the time. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 16:08 - Nov 6 with 1165 views | vetchonian |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 12:34 - Nov 6 by magicdaps10 |
That surely has to be a joke! They scored after 8 minutes!
And we did penentrate.......we scored 2 goals.
Other teams aside from Preston in the lady dozen or so games we have scored so quite clearly you are totally wrong in regards to other teams and us not penetrating.
You have been caught up in the possession jackanory that DrP........ststs don't give the true story the vast majority of the time. |
Nowt about stats just what I and many others saw it has been discussed by others on the site today
SO many times we passed sideways and backwards when there were forward options available but because we have been coached that way the safe sideways or back pass was always the preferred option.
We were 2 nil down but we played like we were 2 nil up.
Yes we conceded two early goals but why sit back....we eventually penetrated when we upped the pace instead of walking the ball around | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 16:16 - Nov 6 with 1155 views | KeithHaynes |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 16:08 - Nov 6 by vetchonian |
Nowt about stats just what I and many others saw it has been discussed by others on the site today
SO many times we passed sideways and backwards when there were forward options available but because we have been coached that way the safe sideways or back pass was always the preferred option.
We were 2 nil down but we played like we were 2 nil up.
Yes we conceded two early goals but why sit back....we eventually penetrated when we upped the pace instead of walking the ball around |
I don’t think anyone would disagree. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 16:16 - Nov 6 with 1154 views | Catullus |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 11:58 - Nov 6 by jack247 |
They scored in the 8th minute. The possession stats would have been more even until that point.
You can’t play balls over the top or into channels when the opponents have everyone back. That’s the point. You need to drag them upfield a bit to open up the space to make those tactics effective.
From the 5 games mentioned, we’ve won 2, drawn 2 and lost 1. Not scintillating form, but hardly disastrous either.
I agree, we do need to work out how to break that type of team down. Ntcham is capable of it, Cooper can thread clever little balls to our strikers, but we are missing a touch of guile and neither of our strikers are anywhere near last seasons form.
If Piroe had his shooting boots back, we’d have likely won the last couple and conversations on here would look very different. |
But the "if" didn't happen and so the conversation is what it is. The other point is, we didn't f]drag them anywhere, when we started sideways passing the let us, they retreated into their defensive shape and stayed there.
We've seen it before, teams happy to allow us all the possessin, let us pass around the front of them and wait for us to make mistakes. Except yesterday they were 2 up and looking to hold onto it. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 16:17 - Nov 6 with 1150 views | vetchonian |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 16:16 - Nov 6 by KeithHaynes |
I don’t think anyone would disagree. |
Daps seems to | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 17:26 - Nov 6 with 1100 views | jack247 |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 16:16 - Nov 6 by Catullus |
But the "if" didn't happen and so the conversation is what it is. The other point is, we didn't f]drag them anywhere, when we started sideways passing the let us, they retreated into their defensive shape and stayed there.
We've seen it before, teams happy to allow us all the possessin, let us pass around the front of them and wait for us to make mistakes. Except yesterday they were 2 up and looking to hold onto it. |
Well yes exactly.
Hammering Martin because we struggle to break down defensive teams or because we conceded two soft goals from corners is absolutely called for.
Hammering him because we have lots of possession or we weren’t playing balls over the top against a team defending very deeply is naive at best. | | | |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 17:58 - Nov 6 with 1077 views | KeithHaynes |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 16:17 - Nov 6 by vetchonian |
Daps seems to |
Which is fine, opinions and discussion you and most ion here can do extremely well. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 19:40 - Nov 6 with 1029 views | Badlands |
Second goal looked like Piroe started to track the player who scored but he stopped leaving him with a free header. First was well worked Imo Wigan players crowded and kept the defenders occupied with the scorer making the run. I thought Fulton was the player who should have tracked the scorer. |  |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 20:24 - Nov 6 with 1003 views | magicdaps10 |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 17:58 - Nov 6 by KeithHaynes |
Which is fine, opinions and discussion you and most ion here can do extremely well. |
I think that's the vital thing, Vetch is very good at giving and receiving an opinion and he stands his ground.
I think we can sll agree that the issues are when posters try belittling others with opinions and ramming their own opinion as fact. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 20:44 - Nov 6 with 974 views | RichardO |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 12:21 - Nov 6 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
To be fair to the ginger bellend those corner deliveries were absolutely top class. I don’t think we’ve had anyone who can deliver a decent corner in donkeys years.
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Nice to see Cooper getting the better of him at times. At least he didn't score again.
Cooper playing out of position but did not disgrace himself. | | | |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 20:44 - Nov 6 with 973 views | Whiterockin |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 19:40 - Nov 6 by Badlands |
Second goal looked like Piroe started to track the player who scored but he stopped leaving him with a free header. First was well worked Imo Wigan players crowded and kept the defenders occupied with the scorer making the run. I thought Fulton was the player who should have tracked the scorer. |
Oh for a forward like Bony, who came back to defend set plays attacked the ball and usually won it. |  |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 20:52 - Nov 6 with 961 views | RichardO |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 20:44 - Nov 6 by Whiterockin |
Oh for a forward like Bony, who came back to defend set plays attacked the ball and usually won it. |
Even Andre Ayew | | | |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 21:03 - Nov 6 with 951 views | Whiterockin |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 20:52 - Nov 6 by RichardO |
Even Andre Ayew |
True. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 03:53 - Nov 7 with 866 views | Kilkennyjack |
Just to say the bleedin obvious, when we have the ball then one thing is for sure….. the other team dont have the ball to create anything.
Thats quite important as Pep has shown at Barca and Citeh.
Spain are not bad either.
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 09:36 - Nov 7 with 788 views | OptimisticJack |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 12:21 - Nov 6 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
To be fair to the ginger bellend those corner deliveries were absolutely top class. I don’t think we’ve had anyone who can deliver a decent corner in donkeys years.
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Agree the 2 corners put over by McLean were top quality.
I predicted before the game that he would be given stick by our crowd and it would bite us in the backside just like Clucas did. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 10:22 - Nov 7 with 762 views | YrAlarch |
Perhaps the set piece coach only coaches' attacking set pieces!!
Perhaps we need a defensive set piece coach.
Perhaps we will end up with more coaches than players, a sort of Football Parkinson's Law. | | | |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 12:01 - Nov 7 with 730 views | Badlands |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 10:22 - Nov 7 by YrAlarch |
Perhaps the set piece coach only coaches' attacking set pieces!!
Perhaps we need a defensive set piece coach.
Perhaps we will end up with more coaches than players, a sort of Football Parkinson's Law. |
That would explain the cracking corners and free kicks we all enjoyed watching from the Swans. | |
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| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 20:47 - Nov 8 with 607 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Conceding set piece goals yesterday on 12:21 - Nov 6 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
To be fair to the ginger bellend those corner deliveries were absolutely top class. I don’t think we’ve had anyone who can deliver a decent corner in donkeys years.
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Joe can and has sent some beauties in. Need him back |  |
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