| Ryan Manning leaving 10:43 - Feb 20 with 2736 views | magicdaps10 |
Talks look like they have officially come to the end of the line, again another situation that needs to learned from with the club.......these things need sorting or the player moved on prior to his contract being run down.
All in, he was asking to be paid in accordance to the highest paid earner at the club.....that was never going to happen. |  |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 10:52 - Feb 20 with 1989 views | Swans9 |
Is the Briton Ferry left back any good we had better move fast. |  | | |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 10:56 - Feb 20 with 1975 views | magicdaps10 |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 10:52 - Feb 20 by Swans9 |
Is the Briton Ferry left back any good we had better move fast. |
Targets are being worked on!!
They were being worked on prior to the Winter window.
They can make as big a list as they want......they can put the work in but its the tanks that will dictate.
Obefami, Naughton, Manning out the door and possibly Joel L wil mean a good chunk of wages to work with. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 11:03 - Feb 20 with 1966 views | jojaca |
He's played well this season, but still championship quality, won't be that much off loss. He might want to try Tom Daley's sport if he can't get club in the summer. |  |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 11:50 - Feb 20 with 1880 views | Dr_Parnassus |
What can be learned?
If he doesn’t want to sign a contract he doesn’t want to sign a contract, we can’t make them. Nothing can be learned there.
However having a manager instil belief in the players that it’s worth staying, guiding a team to the upper reaches of the league and tempting people with the chance of EPL football always helps. |  |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:17 - Feb 20 with 1856 views | pete |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 11:50 - Feb 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
What can be learned?
If he doesn’t want to sign a contract he doesn’t want to sign a contract, we can’t make them. Nothing can be learned there.
However having a manager instil belief in the players that it’s worth staying, guiding a team to the upper reaches of the league and tempting people with the chance of EPL football always helps. |
so does a few new players coming in but Oh, that didnt happen did it? | | | |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:27 - Feb 20 with 1826 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:17 - Feb 20 by pete |
so does a few new players coming in but Oh, that didnt happen did it? |
22 players have come in since he has taken over. I’m not seeing the changes you insist happen with such things. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:37 - Feb 20 with 1813 views | pencoedjack |
If you asked me to name my player of the season so far it would be Manning.
Hate his theatrics but he is a very decent player at this level & wouldn't be surprised if a lower end PL side pick him up at the end of a season on a free.
Lets hope Martin isn't signing his replacement. |  | | |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:39 - Feb 20 with 1811 views | BryanSwan |
Not a massive fan of Manning so no real loss in my opinion, hopefully we can get a fullback in of a bit more quality. Someone will pay him what he wants, but thats more to do with clubs being dull rather than him being worth it. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:51 - Feb 20 with 1789 views | STID2017 |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 11:50 - Feb 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
What can be learned?
If he doesn’t want to sign a contract he doesn’t want to sign a contract, we can’t make them. Nothing can be learned there.
However having a manager instil belief in the players that it’s worth staying, guiding a team to the upper reaches of the league and tempting people with the chance of EPL football always helps. |
Up arrowed you by mistake
The only place Manning would be going under these owners is League One
Do you actually believe what you say ?
Change the manager, the result will still be the same |  |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:53 - Feb 20 with 1769 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:51 - Feb 20 by STID2017 |
Up arrowed you by mistake
The only place Manning would be going under these owners is League One
Do you actually believe what you say ?
Change the manager, the result will still be the same |
You up arrowed me because you subconsciously agreed.
What are you asking me what I believe?
That we can’t make Manning sign a new contract?
Or
It’s easier to get players to sign when we have a manager instil confidence in the players and get us playing in the upper reaches of the league?
I believe both by the way. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:53 - Feb 20 with 1782 views | STID2017 |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:27 - Feb 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
22 players have come in since he has taken over. I’m not seeing the changes you insist happen with such things. |
How many did he choose ?
Three or four maybe ?
Please name the ones he actually wanted to sign.
Won't take long.
I'll help:
Fisher,
Darling
Sorinola | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:56 - Feb 20 with 1760 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:53 - Feb 20 by STID2017 |
How many did he choose ?
Three or four maybe ?
Please name the ones he actually wanted to sign.
Won't take long.
I'll help:
Fisher,
Darling
Sorinola |
Bit lazy to assume the only players he wants are the ones who have played for him previously.
List the ones he didn’t want to sign then and show me the evidence for that accusation. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:57 - Feb 20 with 1772 views | STID2017 |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:53 - Feb 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
You up arrowed me because you subconsciously agreed.
What are you asking me what I believe?
That we can’t make Manning sign a new contract?
Or
It’s easier to get players to sign when we have a manager instil confidence in the players and get us playing in the upper reaches of the league?
I believe both by the way. |
"You up arrowed me because you subconsciously agreed"
Yea like that would happen
Not sure you subconsciously believe most of what you post yourself . | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:58 - Feb 20 with 1754 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:57 - Feb 20 by STID2017 |
"You up arrowed me because you subconsciously agreed"
Yea like that would happen
Not sure you subconsciously believe most of what you post yourself . |
All of it, which is why I say it. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 13:04 - Feb 20 with 1755 views | STID2017 |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:56 - Feb 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
Bit lazy to assume the only players he wants are the ones who have played for him previously.
List the ones he didn’t want to sign then and show me the evidence for that accusation. |
You are the one who said he signed 22 players.
The club signed them.
He chose three or four max.
You already know this though | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 13:11 - Feb 20 with 1735 views | Badlands |
Quite a few to choose from but who would Martin use if they came?
A player who could be tempted is John Murkin (well we had an Arriola🤷
Out of contract this season, mainly LB but also L Midfield, 24 in July, 21 games this season for FC Voldendam in the Eredivisie, English so wouldn’t need an international permit, valued around €700,000 but salary listed as £30,000 a year! |  |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 13:14 - Feb 20 with 1721 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 13:04 - Feb 20 by STID2017 |
You are the one who said he signed 22 players.
The club signed them.
He chose three or four max.
You already know this though |
I don’t know that at all, in fact I don’t think it’s true in the slightest.
Laird was clearly his pick, Wood was his pick, Pato was his pick, Downes was his pick, Walsh was his pick, Sorinola was his pick, Fisher was his pick, Darling was his pick. Ntcham was his pick after pro actively speaking to Scott Brown.
Those are just off the top of my head that I know for a fact he picked.
So your 3 or 4, as usual, is nonsense. I doubled it without much thought, and I’m sure there are far more that he picked that I don’t know about. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:22 - Feb 20 with 1587 views | cadleigh |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:17 - Feb 20 by pete |
so does a few new players coming in but Oh, that didnt happen did it? |
According to Wales Online, we showed interest in 11 players in the recent transfer window. My understanding, based on what I have read about them (can't say I know much about most of them apart from Wolf), is that six of them were out and out strikers obviously intended to replace Obafemi (Gelhardt, Delap, Archer, Cornick, Grant and Barnes).
One was a midfielder who can play as a striker (Ebiowei), so presumably Paterson's replacement.
The other four were contenders for the problematic RWB berth (Ogbene, Wolf, Thomas and Key).
Given that, as Dr P majesterially demonstrated in a post last night, our biggest problems are our defensive frailty and failure to attack with pace, which of those players do you look at and go 'ah, the missing pieces of Martin's master plan, if only we'd had xxxx and xxxx, we'd be closing in on the top 6 right now'?
Not to absolve the owners/management team/whoever was responsible for our failure to land a single player last month, but I read a post on another forum by Colin Jones saying that we would be challenging for the play-offs if he'd got two special players in January. I just don't see it. All I see is Martin trying yet again to implement a strategy that has failed time and again. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:32 - Feb 20 with 1563 views | vetchonian |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 12:53 - Feb 20 by STID2017 |
How many did he choose ?
Three or four maybe ?
Please name the ones he actually wanted to sign.
Won't take long.
I'll help:
Fisher,
Darling
Sorinola |
You can add
Paterson Martin has gone on record saying he was his first target when he knew he was coming here
Ethan Laird
Cyrus Chrisite
Downes
Surely he had some input into Cundle et al? | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:34 - Feb 20 with 1555 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It was Mannings intention to let his contract run down from the very second he signed it. Lots of players do it. It’s a risky tactic but very lucrative. |  |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:36 - Feb 20 with 1547 views | BryanSwan |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:22 - Feb 20 by cadleigh |
According to Wales Online, we showed interest in 11 players in the recent transfer window. My understanding, based on what I have read about them (can't say I know much about most of them apart from Wolf), is that six of them were out and out strikers obviously intended to replace Obafemi (Gelhardt, Delap, Archer, Cornick, Grant and Barnes).
One was a midfielder who can play as a striker (Ebiowei), so presumably Paterson's replacement.
The other four were contenders for the problematic RWB berth (Ogbene, Wolf, Thomas and Key).
Given that, as Dr P majesterially demonstrated in a post last night, our biggest problems are our defensive frailty and failure to attack with pace, which of those players do you look at and go 'ah, the missing pieces of Martin's master plan, if only we'd had xxxx and xxxx, we'd be closing in on the top 6 right now'?
Not to absolve the owners/management team/whoever was responsible for our failure to land a single player last month, but I read a post on another forum by Colin Jones saying that we would be challenging for the play-offs if he'd got two special players in January. I just don't see it. All I see is Martin trying yet again to implement a strategy that has failed time and again. |
Our issue at the moment as i see it is width. If we play a 4 at the back we have no natural wide players. If we play with a 5 the wide players are two limited fullbacks.
What Martin wants Manning, Latibaudiere snd Sorinola to do is something they just aren't capable of nor are most fullbacks outside the top flight and even some in it. | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:38 - Feb 20 with 1546 views | vetchonian |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:22 - Feb 20 by cadleigh |
According to Wales Online, we showed interest in 11 players in the recent transfer window. My understanding, based on what I have read about them (can't say I know much about most of them apart from Wolf), is that six of them were out and out strikers obviously intended to replace Obafemi (Gelhardt, Delap, Archer, Cornick, Grant and Barnes).
One was a midfielder who can play as a striker (Ebiowei), so presumably Paterson's replacement.
The other four were contenders for the problematic RWB berth (Ogbene, Wolf, Thomas and Key).
Given that, as Dr P majesterially demonstrated in a post last night, our biggest problems are our defensive frailty and failure to attack with pace, which of those players do you look at and go 'ah, the missing pieces of Martin's master plan, if only we'd had xxxx and xxxx, we'd be closing in on the top 6 right now'?
Not to absolve the owners/management team/whoever was responsible for our failure to land a single player last month, but I read a post on another forum by Colin Jones saying that we would be challenging for the play-offs if he'd got two special players in January. I just don't see it. All I see is Martin trying yet again to implement a strategy that has failed time and again. |
Yes He insisted in Fisher Sorinola and Darling only to put them on the bench we keep getting told he doesnt have the players to play his system so why bring in these 3? | |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:40 - Feb 20 with 1544 views | Fireboy2 |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:22 - Feb 20 by cadleigh |
According to Wales Online, we showed interest in 11 players in the recent transfer window. My understanding, based on what I have read about them (can't say I know much about most of them apart from Wolf), is that six of them were out and out strikers obviously intended to replace Obafemi (Gelhardt, Delap, Archer, Cornick, Grant and Barnes).
One was a midfielder who can play as a striker (Ebiowei), so presumably Paterson's replacement.
The other four were contenders for the problematic RWB berth (Ogbene, Wolf, Thomas and Key).
Given that, as Dr P majesterially demonstrated in a post last night, our biggest problems are our defensive frailty and failure to attack with pace, which of those players do you look at and go 'ah, the missing pieces of Martin's master plan, if only we'd had xxxx and xxxx, we'd be closing in on the top 6 right now'?
Not to absolve the owners/management team/whoever was responsible for our failure to land a single player last month, but I read a post on another forum by Colin Jones saying that we would be challenging for the play-offs if he'd got two special players in January. I just don't see it. All I see is Martin trying yet again to implement a strategy that has failed time and again. |
Attack is the best form of defence.
Because we are very limited in attack it brings pressure on our defence.
This is the reality no matter whose fault it is. |  | | |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:42 - Feb 20 with 1538 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:38 - Feb 20 by vetchonian |
Yes He insisted in Fisher Sorinola and Darling only to put them on the bench we keep getting told he doesnt have the players to play his system so why bring in these 3? |
Fisher and Darking can, but not at Championship level at the moment, |  |
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| Ryan Manning leaving on 16:57 - Feb 20 with 1460 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Ryan Manning leaving on 15:40 - Feb 20 by Fireboy2 |
Attack is the best form of defence.
Because we are very limited in attack it brings pressure on our defence.
This is the reality no matter whose fault it is. |
We aren’t that limited in attack. There are over 20 teams in this league who haven’t scored as many goals as we have. It’s quite rare we don’t score at least 1 in a game. We scored 3 at home and lost the other day.
The pressure is created by us giving the ball away in stupid areas. Having a keeper that scares the shite out of everyone any time the ball goes within twenty metres of him. Having three six foot plus centre backs who can’t deal with simple crosses into the box.
My biggest criticism of Russell Martin and this squad is they just don’t learn from their mistakes. We are making the same mistakes now 18 months into “the process” as they were making on day 6 of “the process”. Cut out the mistakes, learn from them and we would be a very very good team at this level. | |
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