| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them 10:55 - Jun 1 with 4164 views | SwansIndependent |
 Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them 1st Jun 2023 10:51Russell Martin finds himself in no mans land this morning despite it being clear negotiations for players, his own contract, and the compensation fee for him and his staff for Swansea remain the sticking point. Swansea City are standing by their enhanced compensation for Martin which is explained below.  0
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 14:44 - Jun 1 with 3416 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It was reported that Martin had agreed to join Southampton well before their last game of the season so it’s ludicrous they are claiming they were a championship club.
Have they appointed Cardiff city lawyers on this one? |  |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 17:42 - Jun 1 with 3276 views | TenbySwan |
He just needs to go now.
Its Gylfi , Cooper etc all over again |  | | |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 18:36 - Jun 1 with 3188 views | max936 |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 17:42 - Jun 1 by TenbySwan |
He just needs to go now.
Its Gylfi , Cooper etc all over again |
Yep, but we know this is likely to drag on for a bit yet, all about the money Yanks want the penny and the bun, whatever SCFC's needs are, are secondary. |  | | |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 19:09 - Jun 1 with 3142 views | KeithHaynes |
Whatever anyone thinks of these owners they drive people to the enth degree in business. In this case it’s fine. They haven’t allowed it to affect their manager search at all.
Problem is when trying to purchase players as we have seen before it doesn’t always work well. |  |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 20:32 - Jun 1 with 3064 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 19:09 - Jun 1 by KeithHaynes |
Whatever anyone thinks of these owners they drive people to the enth degree in business. In this case it’s fine. They haven’t allowed it to affect their manager search at all.
Problem is when trying to purchase players as we have seen before it doesn’t always work well. |
I've asked this elsehwere so I'll it here now, what if their hard nosed dealing causes the deal to collapse, will it still be fine if we end up paying 2 manahers at the same time, or having to pay Martin off?
Sometimes, in everyone's best interests, you have to compromise. | | | |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 20:41 - Jun 1 with 3052 views | herbie |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 20:32 - Jun 1 by SullutaCreturned |
I've asked this elsehwere so I'll it here now, what if their hard nosed dealing causes the deal to collapse, will it still be fine if we end up paying 2 manahers at the same time, or having to pay Martin off?
Sometimes, in everyone's best interests, you have to compromise. |
If the sticking point is the compensation due for Martin, why not do the deal at the agreed level for support team and the championship fee for Russ, and do it without prejudice to our claim they have to pay the Premier league compensation fee? In that way both clubs can move on and appoint managers and the dispute over whether they have to pay more is determined at adjudication or arbitration down the line. | | | |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 20:57 - Jun 1 with 3009 views | vetchonian |
it's amazing here on this thread and another thread has been opened referring to the owners playing hardball for the compo......so many short memories remember when the owners were being slated for selling Connor Robert's cheaply ....get a grip guys be consistent.....
when we get the money we are rightly owed as Southampton when they tapped up Russell were a premier league side so should pay at that rate we as a club will have more funds for our new manager | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:00 - Jun 1 with 3007 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 20:57 - Jun 1 by vetchonian |
it's amazing here on this thread and another thread has been opened referring to the owners playing hardball for the compo......so many short memories remember when the owners were being slated for selling Connor Robert's cheaply ....get a grip guys be consistent.....
when we get the money we are rightly owed as Southampton when they tapped up Russell were a premier league side so should pay at that rate we as a club will have more funds for our new manager |
it is consistent mun, we didn't want to lose Roberts, Martin is an entirely different situation. You cannot apply the same rules here.
If the Roberts deal had collapsed we'd happily have kept him, do we want to keep Martin? | | | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:14 - Jun 1 with 2962 views | vetchonian |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:00 - Jun 1 by SullutaCreturned |
it is consistent mun, we didn't want to lose Roberts, Martin is an entirely different situation. You cannot apply the same rules here.
If the Roberts deal had collapsed we'd happily have kept him, do we want to keep Martin? |
I think my views on Martin are well known..I'm sure the ownership know what they are doing..I guess a compromise will be agreed hence the specialist lawyers
the Americans have made some errors during their time here but they do understand contractual law ...I'm sure they wouldn't risk the scenario you suggest ..domt forget that will also need to pay these lawyers | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:15 - Jun 1 with 2964 views | swan_si |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:00 - Jun 1 by SullutaCreturned |
it is consistent mun, we didn't want to lose Roberts, Martin is an entirely different situation. You cannot apply the same rules here.
If the Roberts deal had collapsed we'd happily have kept him, do we want to keep Martin? |
why would the Roberts deal collapse, if the deal was seen as cheap?
If we would have happily kept him, then we should have upped the price. |  | | |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:15 - Jun 1 with 2962 views | vetchonian |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:00 - Jun 1 by SullutaCreturned |
it is consistent mun, we didn't want to lose Roberts, Martin is an entirely different situation. You cannot apply the same rules here.
If the Roberts deal had collapsed we'd happily have kept him, do we want to keep Martin? |
I think my views on Martin are well known..I'm sure the ownership know what they are doing..I guess a compromise will be agreed hence the specialist lawyers
the Americans have made some errors during their time here but they do understand contractual law ...I'm sure they wouldn't risk the scenario you suggest ..domt forget that will also need to pay these lawyers
And maybe the owners dont want to lose Martin | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:18 - Jun 1 with 2954 views | swan_si |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:15 - Jun 1 by vetchonian |
I think my views on Martin are well known..I'm sure the ownership know what they are doing..I guess a compromise will be agreed hence the specialist lawyers
the Americans have made some errors during their time here but they do understand contractual law ...I'm sure they wouldn't risk the scenario you suggest ..domt forget that will also need to pay these lawyers
And maybe the owners dont want to lose Martin |
you were doing so well, until that last line.😂 | | | |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:20 - Jun 1 with 2939 views | vetchonian |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:18 - Jun 1 by swan_si |
you were doing so well, until that last line.😂 |
there are a few on here who dont want to lose Martin | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:31 - Jun 1 with 2912 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:15 - Jun 1 by vetchonian |
I think my views on Martin are well known..I'm sure the ownership know what they are doing..I guess a compromise will be agreed hence the specialist lawyers
the Americans have made some errors during their time here but they do understand contractual law ...I'm sure they wouldn't risk the scenario you suggest ..domt forget that will also need to pay these lawyers
And maybe the owners dont want to lose Martin |
If the difference is as reported an extra million and it’s there in black and white in his contract then the club are right to chase it. | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:36 - Jun 1 with 2891 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:20 - Jun 1 by vetchonian |
there are a few on here who dont want to lose Martin |
Can’t say that’s coming across, always have said our club and shirt is only on loan. Couldn’t care who is at the swans or who they are. If they sweat blood whilst here that’s good enough for me.
If they get the push or whatever, so be it. | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 22:38 - Jun 1 with 2801 views | jackrmee |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 21:36 - Jun 1 by KeithHaynes |
Can’t say that’s coming across, always have said our club and shirt is only on loan. Couldn’t care who is at the swans or who they are. If they sweat blood whilst here that’s good enough for me.
If they get the push or whatever, so be it. |
I get the impression that Martin did sweat blood whilst here, So to speak. I don’t know of course. Just came across as someone who absolutely loved his job and worked hard doing it. And also expected the same from everyone else.
Probably could fault him on some of his tactics, but he is still learning. Personally, I can’t fault him on his work ethics and general benefit to everyone at the club as a whole. |  |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 08:00 - Jun 3 with 2557 views | guthrieintherain |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 20:57 - Jun 1 by vetchonian |
it's amazing here on this thread and another thread has been opened referring to the owners playing hardball for the compo......so many short memories remember when the owners were being slated for selling Connor Robert's cheaply ....get a grip guys be consistent.....
when we get the money we are rightly owed as Southampton when they tapped up Russell were a premier league side so should pay at that rate we as a club will have more funds for our new manager |
Spot on a rival who have a very good chance of going up automatically trying to fleece a side who have an outside chance of gaining a play off spot.
Also if this is how they bargain for a manager,what are they going to be like with Piroe and Grimes for example.
If it doesn't hinder our manager search and Keith has indicated that it's not that is good enough for me.
My view is this will eventually play out well for Swansea City and put some extra coffers into our budget.
We as fans need patience and as Russ always said trust the ongoing process  | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 08:08 - Jun 3 with 2551 views | guthrieintherain |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 22:38 - Jun 1 by jackrmee |
I get the impression that Martin did sweat blood whilst here, So to speak. I don’t know of course. Just came across as someone who absolutely loved his job and worked hard doing it. And also expected the same from everyone else.
Probably could fault him on some of his tactics, but he is still learning. Personally, I can’t fault him on his work ethics and general benefit to everyone at the club as a whole. |
My main criticism was he put his next job career prospects before winning games.
If he had budged on his tactics we would have had more chance of a play off spot.
Same could be said about Fisher though he cost us points as well.
But none of that matters now we just need to move forward as a club and I think we will. | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 08:29 - Jun 4 with 2439 views | jackrmee |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 08:08 - Jun 3 by guthrieintherain |
My main criticism was he put his next job career prospects before winning games.
If he had budged on his tactics we would have had more chance of a play off spot.
Same could be said about Fisher though he cost us points as well.
But none of that matters now we just need to move forward as a club and I think we will. |
I agree with most of what you say, but I don’t think he was being stubborn in his tactics, simply to gain interest for his next job.
I think he truly believes in his way of playing and that it should work.
He wanted to win games, but figured that if we continue to play in his way, as the players buy into it more and get used to it, the results will come.
I’m pretty sure he will try his way again at Southampton. Maybe it will work because he has better players in the roles he needs, who knows.
But he’s also gained more experience through us, so he should have a plan b now also.
I honestly think he would have stayed, if he was backed more, and the slow improvement in our results would have continued.
I think Martin will be a premier league manager | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 10:08 - Jun 4 with 2346 views | guthrieintherain |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 08:29 - Jun 4 by jackrmee |
I agree with most of what you say, but I don’t think he was being stubborn in his tactics, simply to gain interest for his next job.
I think he truly believes in his way of playing and that it should work.
He wanted to win games, but figured that if we continue to play in his way, as the players buy into it more and get used to it, the results will come.
I’m pretty sure he will try his way again at Southampton. Maybe it will work because he has better players in the roles he needs, who knows.
But he’s also gained more experience through us, so he should have a plan b now also.
I honestly think he would have stayed, if he was backed more, and the slow improvement in our results would have continued.
I think Martin will be a premier league manager |
Yes he may well be a PL manager one day
Martinez
Brendan
Potter
Cooper
My point is we don't have a PL budget so should have adapted. [Post edited 4 Jun 2023 10:12]
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 13:02 - Jun 4 with 2236 views | cadleigh |
Players are probably due back for pre-season training around 24 June. Southampton know that Martin has a full set of coaches ready to hit the ground running when the players return, and will have been watching videos to gauge the quality of what he has, talking to the owners about who is being sold off, and thinking ahead to his own shopping list. So they have no reason to move quickly and we can expect this to drag on if they have anything to do with it.
If we are genuinely not going to pay compensation for our next manager (and therefore no haggling with anyther employer needed) and the club has a shortlist of between-jobs candidates ready to interview, as I hope and would expect is the case, then we might not be under pressure to blink first. However, it will take time for the next manager to put their dream backroom team together, and ideally the club would want that finished by the 24th (or even sooner, as the transfer window opens on the 14th).
We may have a strong case in law, but the clock is on Southampton's side. | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 13:18 - Jun 4 with 2216 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 13:02 - Jun 4 by cadleigh |
Players are probably due back for pre-season training around 24 June. Southampton know that Martin has a full set of coaches ready to hit the ground running when the players return, and will have been watching videos to gauge the quality of what he has, talking to the owners about who is being sold off, and thinking ahead to his own shopping list. So they have no reason to move quickly and we can expect this to drag on if they have anything to do with it.
If we are genuinely not going to pay compensation for our next manager (and therefore no haggling with anyther employer needed) and the club has a shortlist of between-jobs candidates ready to interview, as I hope and would expect is the case, then we might not be under pressure to blink first. However, it will take time for the next manager to put their dream backroom team together, and ideally the club would want that finished by the 24th (or even sooner, as the transfer window opens on the 14th).
We may have a strong case in law, but the clock is on Southampton's side. |
Good sound analysis.
Right now, we have a coach whose head has been turned and clearly does not want to be with us.
Sadly, we have to accept compensation is secondary now as having a coach in these circumstances is damaging.
Frankly, I’d fire him right now and bite the bullet .
We simply can’t afford to keep him . | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 13:46 - Jun 4 with 2196 views | BarrySwan |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 13:18 - Jun 4 by onehunglow |
Good sound analysis.
Right now, we have a coach whose head has been turned and clearly does not want to be with us.
Sadly, we have to accept compensation is secondary now as having a coach in these circumstances is damaging.
Frankly, I’d fire him right now and bite the bullet .
We simply can’t afford to keep him . |
Whilst I'm fully supportive of the Swans giving Southampton compensation to take Martin off our hands I'm also supportive of the board playing hardball in regards to how much we should give them. | | | |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 14:02 - Jun 4 with 2163 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 13:46 - Jun 4 by BarrySwan |
Whilst I'm fully supportive of the Swans giving Southampton compensation to take Martin off our hands I'm also supportive of the board playing hardball in regards to how much we should give them. |
It’s fair comment mate but right now,he cannot stay so it’s pretty much damage limitation.
It would be madness to go into the new season with him in situ which seems possible given this compensation issue.
We would have a coach clearly looking to jump ship. | |
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| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 14:07 - Jun 4 with 2158 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin : The sticking points and the truth behind them on 14:02 - Jun 4 by onehunglow |
It’s fair comment mate but right now,he cannot stay so it’s pretty much damage limitation.
It would be madness to go into the new season with him in situ which seems possible given this compensation issue.
We would have a coach clearly looking to jump ship. |
It’s going to take a while longer, but irrespective, your worst nightmare won’t happen. | |
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