| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. 13:16 - Nov 9 with 5238 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
https://news.sky.com/story/denmark-has-a-cosy-international-reputation-but-warmt
To be fair to Starmer and his government they seem too c be coming up with more and better ideas than Starmer May And Johnson were.
Asleep at the wheel. UK had the good life 2013-2018 with no boat as the EU took the migration hit.
Once immigration is under control as in Denmark the Welsh "Nation of Scantuary" looks a lot better. |  |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 13:27 - Nov 9 with 3105 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Labour spent many months blocking the Rwanda scheme, now they realise what being in Government means and they realise what the problem is. Illegal immigration and boat crossings are above last year's levels already.
Immigration is not devolved, the idiots in the Senedd are spending money designated for the people of Wales on responsibilities that lie in Westminster and then complain about their budget, you could not make this crap up. |  |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 13:48 - Nov 9 with 3065 views | AnotherJohn |
The worry is that, just as with (even modest) cuts to welfare spending, Labour backbenchers will oppose Shabana Mahmood's proposals for tightening up immigration controls.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/labour-splits-erupt-over-plans-for-danish-s
Personally, I don't think the plans go far enough, although they are a step in the right direction. One suspects that, with significant backbench opposition, any changes in the law and operational guidance are some way in the future. |  | | |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 14:02 - Nov 9 with 3052 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 13:48 - Nov 9 by AnotherJohn |
The worry is that, just as with (even modest) cuts to welfare spending, Labour backbenchers will oppose Shabana Mahmood's proposals for tightening up immigration controls.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/labour-splits-erupt-over-plans-for-danish-s
Personally, I don't think the plans go far enough, although they are a step in the right direction. One suspects that, with significant backbench opposition, any changes in the law and operational guidance are some way in the future. |
Starmer always fudges stuff to try to please everyone, this will a muddle, just like the budget. | |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 14:38 - Nov 9 with 3016 views | max936 |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 13:27 - Nov 9 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Labour spent many months blocking the Rwanda scheme, now they realise what being in Government means and they realise what the problem is. Illegal immigration and boat crossings are above last year's levels already.
Immigration is not devolved, the idiots in the Senedd are spending money designated for the people of Wales on responsibilities that lie in Westminster and then complain about their budget, you could not make this crap up. |
Those lot in the Senedd are clueless Labour, Plaid while Reform and the Tories keep stating the obvious with no solutions no answers of their own, we look doomed, 38,000 have come across the channel so far and Labour and their lackeys Plaid are pushing ahead with their nation of sanctuary above everything else, using money that's desperately needed for services in Wales.
Being lead by the other clueless clowns in Westminster. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:39]
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 15:54 - Nov 9 with 2973 views | felixstowe_jack |
Correct Labour are letting in twice as Many? | |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 17:05 - Nov 9 with 2942 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 14:38 - Nov 9 by max936 |
Those lot in the Senedd are clueless Labour, Plaid while Reform and the Tories keep stating the obvious with no solutions no answers of their own, we look doomed, 38,000 have come across the channel so far and Labour and their lackeys Plaid are pushing ahead with their nation of sanctuary above everything else, using money that's desperately needed for services in Wales.
Being lead by the other clueless clowns in Westminster. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:39]
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Senedd take whoever England sends to Wales presumably with some cash incentives.
Immigration is an British mess up. We bombed the countries where the immigrants are coming from in the main and the H HM. Governments have been asleep at the wheel since Mr Merkel opened the gates of Serbia in 2013.
Right wing actors are shifting the blame away from the dozy from Westminster to the Senedd which is a joke
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 17:20 - Nov 9 with 2927 views | raynor94 |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 17:05 - Nov 9 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Senedd take whoever England sends to Wales presumably with some cash incentives.
Immigration is an British mess up. We bombed the countries where the immigrants are coming from in the main and the H HM. Governments have been asleep at the wheel since Mr Merkel opened the gates of Serbia in 2013.
Right wing actors are shifting the blame away from the dozy from Westminster to the Senedd which is a joke
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Mr Merkel? |  |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 18:01 - Nov 9 with 2900 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 17:05 - Nov 9 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Senedd take whoever England sends to Wales presumably with some cash incentives.
Immigration is an British mess up. We bombed the countries where the immigrants are coming from in the main and the H HM. Governments have been asleep at the wheel since Mr Merkel opened the gates of Serbia in 2013.
Right wing actors are shifting the blame away from the dozy from Westminster to the Senedd which is a joke
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I'm not sure you the last sentence is what you meant. | |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 18:29 - Nov 9 with 2867 views | shingle |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 18:01 - Nov 9 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I'm not sure you the last sentence is what you meant. |
Load of bollocks Labour will deploy many ideas over the coming years knowing nothing will come of them, as far as they are concerned these are the people who will help strengthen their voting base and help to keep them in power and stay in power, the Democrats were planning to do the same thing in America by allowing huge numbers to cross the border but unfortunately for them before they could estabish this insurge into the voting system along came a guy called Trump | | | |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 18:37 - Nov 9 with 2857 views | onehunglow |
What is the make up of a “ right wing” person as they seem to be devils
The nice ones are left wing like Mr Corbyn, Ms Abbott and Mr Lammy who care for working people and fight racism
Reparations now
Refugees welcome
Don’t blame the poor
Tax the rich
Fight capitalism
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 20:43 - Nov 9 with 2812 views | Boundy |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 18:37 - Nov 9 by onehunglow |
What is the make up of a “ right wing” person as they seem to be devils
The nice ones are left wing like Mr Corbyn, Ms Abbott and Mr Lammy who care for working people and fight racism
Reparations now
Refugees welcome
Don’t blame the poor
Tax the rich
Fight capitalism
Yeah |
This has to be the funniest (the competition is limited regarding the subject matter so that's not hard) thread ever regarding Labour ,labour started this mess ably assisted by the Tories but now have retaken the torch therefore responsible for what we have today ,numbers increasing virtually every week with no clear pathway in stopping the flow and with it yet more tax payers money being thrown at the problem .Lefty's started the problem and any opposition objecting is automatically classed as racist and extreme rightwing without having any clue of the feeling of discontent within normally easy going ,abide by the rules population . | |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 21:28 - Nov 9 with 2790 views | majorraglan |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 15:54 - Nov 9 by felixstowe_jack |
Correct Labour are letting in twice as Many? |
That’s not correct. The highest number to arrive was over 45,000 in 2022. | | | |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 22:11 - Nov 9 with 2741 views | johnlangy |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 21:28 - Nov 9 by majorraglan |
That’s not correct. The highest number to arrive was over 45,000 in 2022. |
Facts major. Don't people just hate them. | | | |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 22:17 - Nov 9 with 2736 views | Boundy |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 22:11 - Nov 9 by johnlangy |
Facts major. Don't people just hate them. |
Thats ok then. | |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 22:47 - Nov 9 with 2707 views | majorraglan |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 13:27 - Nov 9 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Labour spent many months blocking the Rwanda scheme, now they realise what being in Government means and they realise what the problem is. Illegal immigration and boat crossings are above last year's levels already.
Immigration is not devolved, the idiots in the Senedd are spending money designated for the people of Wales on responsibilities that lie in Westminster and then complain about their budget, you could not make this crap up. |
Rwanda wasn’t and isn’t the answer, a scheme which cost millions and millions will the potential of seeing between 100 and 250 maximum removed per year.
In April 2024 stats were disclosed that revealed there was a 54% reduction of enforced returns between 2010 and 2023 and for asylum seekers it was 73%. Maybe some more robust enforcement would have been a better bet.
https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-scheme-how-many-asylum-seekers-does-the-uk-rem | | | |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 00:04 - Nov 10 with 2672 views | builthjack |
A lot has been said about the people coming in on rubber dinghies. Everyday .
40,000 or so for the year 2025.
Yet nothing is ever said about people let in through the front door.
Over 900,000 let in, in 2023
Yet cut down in the second half of 2024, just over 400,000 let in last year.
Well,done the UK Govt for cutting it by 500,000 .
40,000 looks nothing. But it makes good news for Farage and the crew he has hired from the Tory party. |  |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 09:28 - Nov 10 with 2603 views | johnlangy |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 22:17 - Nov 9 by Boundy |
Thats ok then. |
I think it's important to point out the facts Boundy when people post stuff that is completely wrong. | | | |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 09:35 - Nov 10 with 2589 views | Whiterockin |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 09:28 - Nov 10 by johnlangy |
I think it's important to point out the facts Boundy when people post stuff that is completely wrong. |
Agree completely. It's normally to back up an agenda and seldom done with evidence from an unbiased source. Providing someone's opinion from X is infrequently a reliable source. |  | | |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 09:37 - Nov 10 with 2582 views | majorraglan |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 00:04 - Nov 10 by builthjack |
A lot has been said about the people coming in on rubber dinghies. Everyday .
40,000 or so for the year 2025.
Yet nothing is ever said about people let in through the front door.
Over 900,000 let in, in 2023
Yet cut down in the second half of 2024, just over 400,000 let in last year.
Well,done the UK Govt for cutting it by 500,000 .
40,000 looks nothing. But it makes good news for Farage and the crew he has hired from the Tory party. |
You are n correct with your comment about 900,000 being “let in” in 2023, the number “let in through the front door” was actually over 1.2m. The 900,000 figure you’re referring to was the net increase figure - in essence there were 900,000 more people in the U.K. on 31.12.23 than there were on 1.1.23.
You are correct about it being a lot lower in 2024.
EU migration was negative again last year so more are leaving than arriving, so we’re effectively replacing EU citizens with people from other parts of the world. | | | |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 12:53 - Nov 10 with 2504 views | Boundy |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 09:35 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
Agree completely. It's normally to back up an agenda and seldom done with evidence from an unbiased source. Providing someone's opinion from X is infrequently a reliable source. |
Has anyone asked whose agenda is the country dancing to when it comes to legal and illegal immigration , you really think Governments figures are not packed with lies , mistruths and anything else they can think of to deceive the public when it suits their agenda(s) .
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 15:43 - Nov 10 with 2424 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 20:43 - Nov 9 by Boundy |
This has to be the funniest (the competition is limited regarding the subject matter so that's not hard) thread ever regarding Labour ,labour started this mess ably assisted by the Tories but now have retaken the torch therefore responsible for what we have today ,numbers increasing virtually every week with no clear pathway in stopping the flow and with it yet more tax payers money being thrown at the problem .Lefty's started the problem and any opposition objecting is automatically classed as racist and extreme rightwing without having any clue of the feeling of discontent within normally easy going ,abide by the rules population . |
The boats started in 2018. Europe took the hit after 2013. Brexit happened in 2016 when there was a returns policy. UK voters thought Brexit did ths job but made it much worse. The return policy ended.
Farage taunted the French " Your not laughing now are you?". he shouted. He claimed UK was free of migration issues and a stagnant economy. We got into bed with Asia. The French now take the P1ss. How anyone can organise the mass transport of thousands every day anonymously is beyond belief.
Germany Sweden Denmark and co are tightening up and UK has been asleep at the wheel. Isreal wants to send up 2m Palestinians if they can boot them out. They gave dom British supporters flag wavers. Labour sponsors the work shy and there needs migrants. Eluned says Wales is a " special needs" place. Yuk.
UK policies are 12 years late. The main immigration to Europe was I. 2013: [Post edited 10 Nov 15:46]
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 18:50 - Nov 10 with 2361 views | AnotherJohn |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 15:43 - Nov 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The boats started in 2018. Europe took the hit after 2013. Brexit happened in 2016 when there was a returns policy. UK voters thought Brexit did ths job but made it much worse. The return policy ended.
Farage taunted the French " Your not laughing now are you?". he shouted. He claimed UK was free of migration issues and a stagnant economy. We got into bed with Asia. The French now take the P1ss. How anyone can organise the mass transport of thousands every day anonymously is beyond belief.
Germany Sweden Denmark and co are tightening up and UK has been asleep at the wheel. Isreal wants to send up 2m Palestinians if they can boot them out. They gave dom British supporters flag wavers. Labour sponsors the work shy and there needs migrants. Eluned says Wales is a " special needs" place. Yuk.
UK policies are 12 years late. The main immigration to Europe was I. 2013: [Post edited 10 Nov 15:46]
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You keep repeating this claim about the Dublin Regulation facilitating returns but, as I have pointed out more than once, we had more inward transfers than outward transfers in the final years it applied to the UK.
Year followed by transfers in and out.
2015 131 510
2016 558 362
2017 461 314
2018 1215 846
2019 714 263
2020 882 105
Many of the inward returns were made under articles 8 and 9 of the Dublin Regulation. These stipulated that, under certain conditions, the applications of some asylum seekers in EU countries, whose relatives are already in the UK, should be dealt with by the UK.
For much of this period less than 10% of UK requests for outward transfers were accepted. For example, in 2019 263 transfers were made following 3259 transfer requests. In 2020 as by now a non-member entitled to use the process for an additional year the UK made 8502 requests for outward transfers of which 105 returns occurred. Source AIDA Country Report UK , 2020 p. 30.
Dublin isn't even working well for current EU members. Greece and Poland have stated they will not accept returns and Italy is only accepting very few under bilateral agreements such as one with Switzerland. Germany is complaining that its requests to return migrants to Greece and Italy (two of the main entry countries) are being rejected. The main remaining advantage of Dublin is access to the Eurodac database, but that is of limited value if the country of entry will not accept returns. Such are the limitations of Dublin that the EU is replacing it with a new Asylum and Migration Management Regulation (AMMR) from July 1, 2026. However, my guess is that overburdened arrival countries will still find ways to limit returns.
More about Dublin here:
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/444/transfers-of-asylum-seekers- [Post edited 10 Nov 19:29]
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 19:54 - Nov 10 with 2331 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 15:43 - Nov 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The boats started in 2018. Europe took the hit after 2013. Brexit happened in 2016 when there was a returns policy. UK voters thought Brexit did ths job but made it much worse. The return policy ended.
Farage taunted the French " Your not laughing now are you?". he shouted. He claimed UK was free of migration issues and a stagnant economy. We got into bed with Asia. The French now take the P1ss. How anyone can organise the mass transport of thousands every day anonymously is beyond belief.
Germany Sweden Denmark and co are tightening up and UK has been asleep at the wheel. Isreal wants to send up 2m Palestinians if they can boot them out. They gave dom British supporters flag wavers. Labour sponsors the work shy and there needs migrants. Eluned says Wales is a " special needs" place. Yuk.
UK policies are 12 years late. The main immigration to Europe was I. 2013: [Post edited 10 Nov 15:46]
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Brexit happened in 2020, not 2016. The boats started because the authorities in Calais dismantled the ‘jungle camps’ and put infrastructure in place that made it very difficult to break in to Britain by jumping on a lorry/train.
The mass immigration to Europe by Asian/african economic migrants with the intention to smuggle themselves to Britain is an issue that long predates Brexit. Even Only fools and horses did an episode of it and that started in 1981.
The economy has been stagnating for twenty years. We’ve had a financial crash, a global pandemic and Putin’s warmongering to deal with since then as well as a succession of abjectly incompetent nincompoops walking our corridors of power.
How anyone can pin all these pre existing problems solely on Brexit is beyond me. Some people would clean up the medals if there were an Olympic event for mental gymnastics. |  |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 21:11 - Nov 10 with 2300 views | max936 |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 19:54 - Nov 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Brexit happened in 2020, not 2016. The boats started because the authorities in Calais dismantled the ‘jungle camps’ and put infrastructure in place that made it very difficult to break in to Britain by jumping on a lorry/train.
The mass immigration to Europe by Asian/african economic migrants with the intention to smuggle themselves to Britain is an issue that long predates Brexit. Even Only fools and horses did an episode of it and that started in 1981.
The economy has been stagnating for twenty years. We’ve had a financial crash, a global pandemic and Putin’s warmongering to deal with since then as well as a succession of abjectly incompetent nincompoops walking our corridors of power.
How anyone can pin all these pre existing problems solely on Brexit is beyond me. Some people would clean up the medals if there were an Olympic event for mental gymnastics. |
Great post, especially the last paragraph.  | |
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| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 23:31 - Nov 10 with 2239 views | Demitrius |
| Immigration. Labour seem more active than the Tories were. on 19:54 - Nov 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Brexit happened in 2020, not 2016. The boats started because the authorities in Calais dismantled the ‘jungle camps’ and put infrastructure in place that made it very difficult to break in to Britain by jumping on a lorry/train.
The mass immigration to Europe by Asian/african economic migrants with the intention to smuggle themselves to Britain is an issue that long predates Brexit. Even Only fools and horses did an episode of it and that started in 1981.
The economy has been stagnating for twenty years. We’ve had a financial crash, a global pandemic and Putin’s warmongering to deal with since then as well as a succession of abjectly incompetent nincompoops walking our corridors of power.
How anyone can pin all these pre existing problems solely on Brexit is beyond me. Some people would clean up the medals if there were an Olympic event for mental gymnastics. |
Well said....great post that....expllained perfectly in a nutshell...! |  |
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