| Improvement 12:20 - Jul 23 with 3977 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Sorry to post a contribution from another Forum Clive, but I thought this a nice illustration of the improvement we've made.
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| Improvement on 12:30 - Jul 23 with 3312 views | Juzzie |
Just need to sort our defence out, has cost us a dozen points at least this season.
if I was the strike force I'd be really naffed off that all the goals scored count for nothing when we're leaking so much at the other end. |  | | |
| Improvement on 15:44 - Jul 23 with 3062 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Improvement on 12:30 - Jul 23 by Juzzie |
Just need to sort our defence out, has cost us a dozen points at least this season.
if I was the strike force I'd be really naffed off that all the goals scored count for nothing when we're leaking so much at the other end. |
Maybe that is why we are scoring so many goals? |  |
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| Improvement on 16:26 - Jul 23 with 2992 views | Juzzie |
| Improvement on 15:44 - Jul 23 by Esox_Lucius |
Maybe that is why we are scoring so many goals? |
Then if we go through a dry patch then we're stuffed!
I'm all for positive football but you have to build from the back. Get your defence sorted out first then go from there. | | | |
| Improvement on 16:31 - Jul 23 with 2972 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Improvement on 16:26 - Jul 23 by Juzzie |
Then if we go through a dry patch then we're stuffed!
I'm all for positive football but you have to build from the back. Get your defence sorted out first then go from there. |
I think we should build from the sides. Starting from the outside, moving onto the broadside and ending up with the dark side. |  |
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| Improvement on 16:52 - Jul 23 with 2907 views | SouthallRanger |
| Improvement on 16:31 - Jul 23 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think we should build from the sides. Starting from the outside, moving onto the broadside and ending up with the dark side. |
Good idea. I’d start with the sideburns. Chair could do with a decent pair for one |  | | |
| Improvement on 16:54 - Jul 23 with 2896 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Improvement on 16:52 - Jul 23 by SouthallRanger |
Good idea. I’d start with the sideburns. Chair could do with a decent pair for one |
Now we're cooking. | |
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| Improvement on 17:05 - Jul 23 with 2864 views | Boston |
| Improvement on 16:52 - Jul 23 by SouthallRanger |
Good idea. I’d start with the sideburns. Chair could do with a decent pair for one |
Aye, ‘specially with Amos being such a let down. | |
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| Improvement on 17:24 - Jul 23 with 2800 views | daveB |
seeing Swansea in the playoffs has left me thinking a bit what if. Forgetting the form since lockdown we threw away so many points this season such as Charlton and Hull at home, Reading home and away, Birmingham at home as well |  | | |
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| Improvement on 23:57 - Jul 23 with 2523 views | Dorse |
| Improvement on 16:31 - Jul 23 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think we should build from the sides. Starting from the outside, moving onto the broadside and ending up with the dark side. |
Knowing us, we'd just stick with a large backside. |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| Improvement on 02:01 - Jul 24 with 2449 views | DavieQPR |
The defence have conceded a lot of goals but they've scored a few as well. If we could just sort out dead ball situations that have cost us over the last few seasons that would be a start. |  | | |
| Improvement on 07:07 - Jul 24 with 2358 views | davman |
| Improvement on 02:01 - Jul 24 by DavieQPR |
The defence have conceded a lot of goals but they've scored a few as well. If we could just sort out dead ball situations that have cost us over the last few seasons that would be a start. |
This. All day long.
I get that the expansive football Warbs has us playing will leave gaps at the back, but the set up from set pieces is shambolic and nothing to do with the style of play.. |  |
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| Improvement on 09:19 - Jul 24 with 2264 views | Miss_Terraces |
| Improvement on 07:07 - Jul 24 by davman |
This. All day long.
I get that the expansive football Warbs has us playing will leave gaps at the back, but the set up from set pieces is shambolic and nothing to do with the style of play.. |
I don't think Warburton intended to play this way but when he realized our imbalance between attack and defence. He decided to play to our strengths rather than nullify our attacking for our defensive play. I'm relatively happy with his adopted approach | |
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| Improvement on 09:33 - Jul 24 with 2236 views | LythamR |
| Improvement on 16:31 - Jul 23 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think we should build from the sides. Starting from the outside, moving onto the broadside and ending up with the dark side. |
Rookie mistake, if you want to be progressive you have to start with the dark side and move into the light |  | | |
| Improvement on 09:54 - Jul 24 with 2204 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Improvement on 09:33 - Jul 24 by LythamR |
Rookie mistake, if you want to be progressive you have to start with the dark side and move into the light |
I see that now, Boss. I really do. | |
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| Improvement on 09:56 - Jul 24 with 2200 views | Myke |
The graph pretty much confirms what we know about the last two seasons Bazz. What struck me about it was that our 'form' had more or less levelled out for the last 16 games of 18/19. My perception would have been that our freefall started later and went on for longer. Or am I reading it wrong? Anything remotely mathematical and I rarely see eye to eye.  | | | |
| Improvement on 10:30 - Jul 24 with 2126 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Improvement on 09:56 - Jul 24 by Myke |
The graph pretty much confirms what we know about the last two seasons Bazz. What struck me about it was that our 'form' had more or less levelled out for the last 16 games of 18/19. My perception would have been that our freefall started later and went on for longer. Or am I reading it wrong? Anything remotely mathematical and I rarely see eye to eye. |
It’s a pretty meaningless graph to be honest especially if you want to consider form because it doesn’t take into account results of other teams.
I posted it to illustrate that the highs of this season are higher than last season, and our lows aren’t as low as last season and overall we finished in a better place.
Was a signal to the pessimists really. | | | |
| Improvement on 11:43 - Jul 24 with 2032 views | Juzzie |
From Clive's WBA match report, QPR’s starting XI from the win against Millwall was;
U23 graduate
U23 graduate
free from Liverpool
free from Brentford
small fee from Galway
loan from Spurs
free from Rotherham
free from Stoke
U23 graduate
U23 graduate
U23 graduate
When it's put in that context it makes a lot of the negative comments after we didn't happen to win a game (from the usual suspects) a bit (well, a lot) unfair. There's simply too much expectation.
Yes, even I have said our defence has cost us 12 points but I know we just can't go out and buy the required players to shore that up.
We all know the club is no longer in a position to spend freely so how about everyone pulling together rather than screaming at Lumley or Scowen (when he was here) or anyone else or coming on here moaning & bitching. | | | |
| Improvement on 12:02 - Jul 24 with 1999 views | kensalriser |
Moaning and bitching is all some people have. Would you deny them even that small pleasure? |  |
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| Improvement on 12:05 - Jul 24 with 1994 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Improvement on 11:43 - Jul 24 by Juzzie |
From Clive's WBA match report, QPR’s starting XI from the win against Millwall was;
U23 graduate
U23 graduate
free from Liverpool
free from Brentford
small fee from Galway
loan from Spurs
free from Rotherham
free from Stoke
U23 graduate
U23 graduate
U23 graduate
When it's put in that context it makes a lot of the negative comments after we didn't happen to win a game (from the usual suspects) a bit (well, a lot) unfair. There's simply too much expectation.
Yes, even I have said our defence has cost us 12 points but I know we just can't go out and buy the required players to shore that up.
We all know the club is no longer in a position to spend freely so how about everyone pulling together rather than screaming at Lumley or Scowen (when he was here) or anyone else or coming on here moaning & bitching. |
That amount of U23 graduates makes me so proud. We must top the table for home grown squad members surely?
If someone told me in 2015 that we would start a game with 8 (arguably 9) U23 players in our match squad I would have laughed into my pint.
Are we winning leagues? No
Are we doing things the right way? Yes
I’m certain the same pessimistic conversations were taking place at Southampton and Burnley ten years ago.
Keep the faith! [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 12:06]
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| Improvement on 12:32 - Jul 24 with 1950 views | Juzzie |
| Improvement on 12:02 - Jul 24 by kensalriser |
Moaning and bitching is all some people have. Would you deny them even that small pleasure? |
Maybe they can go somewhere else and do it! | | | |
| Improvement on 13:45 - Jul 24 with 1839 views | daveB |
Just as a brief comparison in 2017/18 season we finished at home with a 3-1 win over Birmingham, team that day was Lumley, Kakay, Furlong, Bidwell, Manning, Scowen, Freeman, Bright, Chair, Eze, Sylla. , I think Chair and bright both scored that day as well.
We finished 16th on 56 points. Holloway was sacked to help the development of the young side he left behind but felt like we were going in the right direction.
Under Mcclaren the following happened to that side.
Lumley & Eze first team regulars all season.
Furlong - regular second half of the season due to injury
Kakay - started first 4 games, never seen again
Chair - no starts all season loaned to Stevenage
Manning - loaned to Rotherham, 7 starts all season, 5 of those after McClaren was sacked
Bright Samuel - 14 starts all season, 5 of those in the cup and 6 of those under Eustace when McClaren was sacked.
His first and only 90 minutes under McClaren came on 13th March just a week before he was sacked.
With very few of those kids getting a chance and us going with men and experience we finished 19th on 51 points, worse than the previous year.
So to follow that shit show up with a season where the below happened and we've improved our league position and points total on both the last 2 seasons is all rather beautiful.
Lumley 29 Starts
Eze 46 starts
Manning 41 starts
Chair 26 Starts
Bright 34 starts
Kakay 7 starts
I guess what i'm saying is that McClaren was an absolute fraud
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| Improvement on 13:50 - Jul 24 with 1823 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Great stats, Dave. Gives perspective to our - yes - progress. | |
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| Improvement on 14:14 - Jul 24 with 1780 views | Myke |
| Improvement on 13:45 - Jul 24 by daveB |
Just as a brief comparison in 2017/18 season we finished at home with a 3-1 win over Birmingham, team that day was Lumley, Kakay, Furlong, Bidwell, Manning, Scowen, Freeman, Bright, Chair, Eze, Sylla. , I think Chair and bright both scored that day as well.
We finished 16th on 56 points. Holloway was sacked to help the development of the young side he left behind but felt like we were going in the right direction.
Under Mcclaren the following happened to that side.
Lumley & Eze first team regulars all season.
Furlong - regular second half of the season due to injury
Kakay - started first 4 games, never seen again
Chair - no starts all season loaned to Stevenage
Manning - loaned to Rotherham, 7 starts all season, 5 of those after McClaren was sacked
Bright Samuel - 14 starts all season, 5 of those in the cup and 6 of those under Eustace when McClaren was sacked.
His first and only 90 minutes under McClaren came on 13th March just a week before he was sacked.
With very few of those kids getting a chance and us going with men and experience we finished 19th on 51 points, worse than the previous year.
So to follow that shit show up with a season where the below happened and we've improved our league position and points total on both the last 2 seasons is all rather beautiful.
Lumley 29 Starts
Eze 46 starts
Manning 41 starts
Chair 26 Starts
Bright 34 starts
Kakay 7 starts
I guess what i'm saying is that McClaren was an absolute fraud
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Excellent points made Dave. I must admit at the time I was happy with the McClaren appointment. I guess I was wooed by his knowledge of us post Fulham and thought Holloway could do no more. I fully expected MCClaren to continue the great development work that Olli had started but clearly that didn't happen. The only thing I can say in his defence is that everybody totally lost their sh1t after the 7-1 hammering at WBA and the 3-0 home loss to Bristol City, which may have coloured his 'vision' and made him opt for 'warriors' like Hemed. We are a fickle bunch, if the 4-0 home collapse to Forest had been greeted with the same meltdown as the WBA match, would Warburton have been able to carry on with his project? Both second half performances were equally abysmal, the only difference was that when they occured Warburton had points (and credit)in the bank, whereas McClaren hadn't. Perhaps a better comparison was when we were 1-0 down at home to Wigan at half time and heading for our third defeat in a week, the natives were already getting restless. Fine lines... | | | |
| Improvement on 15:02 - Jul 24 with 1723 views | daveB |
| Improvement on 14:14 - Jul 24 by Myke |
Excellent points made Dave. I must admit at the time I was happy with the McClaren appointment. I guess I was wooed by his knowledge of us post Fulham and thought Holloway could do no more. I fully expected MCClaren to continue the great development work that Olli had started but clearly that didn't happen. The only thing I can say in his defence is that everybody totally lost their sh1t after the 7-1 hammering at WBA and the 3-0 home loss to Bristol City, which may have coloured his 'vision' and made him opt for 'warriors' like Hemed. We are a fickle bunch, if the 4-0 home collapse to Forest had been greeted with the same meltdown as the WBA match, would Warburton have been able to carry on with his project? Both second half performances were equally abysmal, the only difference was that when they occured Warburton had points (and credit)in the bank, whereas McClaren hadn't. Perhaps a better comparison was when we were 1-0 down at home to Wigan at half time and heading for our third defeat in a week, the natives were already getting restless. Fine lines... |
I can see why McCalren went down that road and it worked for a few months but the West Brom 7-1 game has been painted as if it was the kids playing, team that day was below, very few kids in it
Ingram, Kakay, Bidwell, Lynch, Leinster, Freeman, Scowen, Cousins, Luoungo, Eze, Smith
Would agree with you though that there are fine lines, that Wigan game is a good example, things didn't look good half time that day and the Cardiff game as well was a big turning point, if he'd lost that one on New years day not sure he'd still be manager now. I don't think Warburton is perfect by any means and there are still loads of problems with the team before we worry about how we replace Eze, have just found the return to what we were talking about doing and trying to do 2 years ago really good to see [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 15:16]
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