| Dog owners. 21:36 - Sep 11 with 22913 views | qpr_1968 |
what is your view on this latest attack on 3 people.
not a dog owner myself....
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| Dog owners. on 13:40 - Sep 12 with 2297 views | Hayesender |
I love dogs, my mates would say probably more than most people, but these poor things are not dogs imo.
These are legal killing machines, owned and abused by grey jogging bottom wearing vermin to make them think they're hard, and should be banned immediately.
I'd go further and say every single dog and dog owner in this country should be registered, and every dodgy breeder shut down.
Too many dogs with medical problems due to bad breeding by low life cnts.
While we're at it, can we not ban grey jogging bottom wannabe drug dealers as well! |  |
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| Dog owners. on 13:45 - Sep 12 with 2247 views | PunteR |
| Dog owners. on 23:12 - Sep 11 by Beckenhamhoop |
It’s not the owners (although wronguns are attracted to dogs like this) ITS THE DOGS. They’re fighting dogs who have been inbred in the US with the worst behavioural issues. These dogs should be banned. Any dog that features so highly in the stats of dog attacks whilst being such a low % of dogs in the UK should be banned immediately.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/642809
Read the attached thread.
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Just out of curiosity what's your history with dogs.? I mean you've posted a petition to ban my 2 dogs so just wondered if you've had a personal experience with the XL breed or you're just reacting to that shocking video.?
I've been viciously attacked when I was 12 by a German Shepherd . Had me on the front garden floor biting my back and neck. Wasn't a nice experience for sure. Was my mates dog . A few days after the event they asked me if I wanted him put down. I said no.
Had a fear of dogs for a few years but I absolutely love them now.
I've got 2 bullys. One an XL the other a pocket x standard. I love them to bits. I've had my missus WhatsApp me today really distressed by the news and I told her to switch it off. We've had all this before. Rottweilers, Staff's, now XL Bullys. It's a load of bollox mate. Yes there are isolated incidents and that video is a horror show but that's not showing you the whole picture.
To ban a whole breed is ridiculous but I agree there needs to be more regulations in place. I consider myself a responsible owner and some of the comment on here has been pretty shit to read tbh. Ignorance is the word I'd probably use to describe them.
This media hype does nothing to help the breed and just stirs up more rubbish. My dogs are marmite we have people crossing the road to say hello, we get people stopping in cars to have a look or compliment them but also we have people crossing the road to avoid them. Last night my missus nearly had a row with some woman with a poodle and her husband blatantly looking at us in disgust, pointing her finger at Murphy my dog. Stuck up ignorant cow. My dogs are always on the lead and we always bag up their shit.
Im not a road man and despite my sometimes confrontational, bolshy sweary posts on here I'm far from that in real life . Those who know me on here will back that up. |  |
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| Dog owners. on 14:01 - Sep 12 with 2203 views | Juzzie |
In my entire life I have been a dog owner for all of one whole week.
This time last week my missus (who has a lot of dog experience and is very keen for appropriate training, behaviour etc) picked up a lovely (but bat-schit crazy) Yorkshire Terrier puppy.
So I am now fully clued up to comment (well, in seriousness not really).
We have heard testaments that supposed bad dogs can be OK and supposed ok dogs be bad.
It feels to me we need to bring back licensing and regulation is done via the owner, not the breed. Banning a breed is the easy option but what happens when a toddler is mauled, or worse, by Labrador or Jack Russell etc?
However, person regulation is extremely complex and expensive so I guess banning a breed is the easier option for the government. Then we'll have to wait and see what happens when someone is badly hurt by a more supposed ok breed. |  | | |
| Dog owners. on 14:19 - Sep 12 with 2130 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dog owners. on 21:56 - Sep 11 by Lblock |
No matter the size or the breed, after attacks such as this people still continue to look at the wrong end of the lead.
The most common dog "bites" against human are by which breed?
Mad I know but it's the Labrador.
Yep... loveable, loyal and usually totally obedient Labs; of which I had three but now sadly only two.
Reason? There's just so many of 'em!!! That's the numbers game.
Bull breed attacks as a percentage are quite common and pretty savage when they happen.
Reason?
Almost 99.99% of the time is down to the owners of the attacking dog(s) are total dickheads and these dogs are powerful, proper powerful.
I know plenty of bull breed owners who are absolutely spot on and 100% do not have their dogs to strike fear into others, giving it Billy Large Gnads and their dogs are a credit to them. Likewise I know plenty of owners of other breeds who are a bit clueless about how they go about dog ownership for Spaniels, Huskies, Ridgies, Jack Russells, Pugs etc - my wife comes across them all the time in her part time role as K9 trainer. These people have done zero research into if a breed is right for them or if they are cut out to look after an intelligent, living and breathing thing.
Boils my pi$$!
You need to pass a driving test to drive a car, a test to ride a bike and have all sorts of permits to own a gun.
Yet in this country you can buy or breed dogs with little to no regulation. Mad
(Mind you -- I'd also include the unfettered ability of dickheads to breed more dickheads but that's a slightly different topic... sort of) [Post edited 11 Sep 2023 21:58]
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Would be nice to see a link to that stat regarding Labradors. If that's true I suspect it's because they're a very popular breed so there is significantly more Labradors out there. To be meaningful the stat would have to be adjusted on a per dog basis.
In theory, regulation makes sense however, with an estimated 12 million dogs in the UK, in practice it would be very difficult (and expensive) to police. It's not as if you can stick a reg plate to their backs and have APNR cameras detect whether the dog is legally registered or not. [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 14:34]
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| Dog owners. on 14:29 - Sep 12 with 2078 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dog owners. on 22:43 - Sep 11 by CiderwithRsie |
You'll know this, but anyone who has had to go door-to-door or do a lot of home deliveries in any job learns that a lot of dogs have gone literally barking mad through being left alone all day (apart from all the other things LBlock rightly mentions).
Most people don't have the facilities or lifestyle to look after one properly, before you even get onto the issues of right breed, training, etc. |
Good point. I like dogs but haven't owned one for years as my lifestyle just isn't conducive to it. I don't think it would be fair on the dog to be cooped up indoors alone for hours on end. I thought about getting one during lockdown but resisted the urge as deep down I knew it would be a temporary measure. It appears that I wasn't alone. Traffic to the Dog's Trust "giving up your dog" webpage increased more than 180% in July 2021 following relaxation of restrictions. [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 14:34]
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| Dog owners. on 14:33 - Sep 12 with 2073 views | Hayesender |
| Dog owners. on 14:19 - Sep 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Would be nice to see a link to that stat regarding Labradors. If that's true I suspect it's because they're a very popular breed so there is significantly more Labradors out there. To be meaningful the stat would have to be adjusted on a per dog basis.
In theory, regulation makes sense however, with an estimated 12 million dogs in the UK, in practice it would be very difficult (and expensive) to police. It's not as if you can stick a reg plate to their backs and have APNR cameras detect whether the dog is legally registered or not. [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 14:34]
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I remember reading a few years ago about this stat regarding labs, and can well believe it.
I had a lab years ago, and although he was a big bundle of joy most of the time, he did have a streak in him, and he would switch in a second for no apparent reason.
Now, we got him over a year old off of a drug addict who wanted some drug money, so of course we didn't know his history and how he was brought up.
My dog now is a staff. First time I've ever had a bull breed, and I've gotta say, he is the most loving dog I've ever had. Can be a bit offish with other dogs, but only if he feels threatened by them, but this is where you as the owner should be responsible and take them away from what could be a situation.
Back to the XL types, I wouldn't fancy trying to drag a snarling 9 stone dog away from anything tbh. May as well have a lion on a lead | |
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| Dog owners. on 14:36 - Sep 12 with 2054 views | denhamhoop2 |
| Dog owners. on 22:31 - Sep 11 by Boston |
That's only because there are so many of you...posties. |
Not if Royal Mail have their way | | | |
| Dog owners. on 14:45 - Sep 12 with 2011 views | Northernr |
| Dog owners. on 14:29 - Sep 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Good point. I like dogs but haven't owned one for years as my lifestyle just isn't conducive to it. I don't think it would be fair on the dog to be cooped up indoors alone for hours on end. I thought about getting one during lockdown but resisted the urge as deep down I knew it would be a temporary measure. It appears that I wasn't alone. Traffic to the Dog's Trust "giving up your dog" webpage increased more than 180% in July 2021 following relaxation of restrictions. [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 14:34]
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Good post.
Few years back I rented a spare room from a young, newly married couple in Corby while I worked on the paper there.
They were, kindly put, a bit impulsive. 24-25 years old, he already had two kids from a prior relationship, they'd just got married, bought the house on a mortgage they clearly couldn't afford (hence me in the spare room), then one week a new TV arrived on credit, then next week a new souped up Fiesta with a bean can exhaust arrived. It was like they always had to be buying something, doing something, spending some money. New toy each week.
Anyway one week a labradoodle puppy arrives. All black, ridiculously cute, could sit in the palm of your hand.
But of course they don't stay that size. And apparently, I'm told and certainly experienced with this one, the energy levels on them is off the scale. This thing grew bigger at almost exactly the same rate they lost interest in the thing.
They said they were "crate training" it, which basically meant it lived in a cage in the utility room for the whole duration of the day they were at work. A cage that, as it grew, became ever decreasingly inadequate for the poor thing's needs until it couldn't even really turn around in it.
They'd then come home from work and take it on the obligatory walk, but again as winter drew in and interest waned these became shorter and shorter and were often skipped. So the thing would be going absolutely crazy around the house while they were trying to eat dinner, watch TV, and then sleep. So then it started going back in the cage "just while Corrie is on" and "just while we eat tea" and "just while we have this film on" and "just for the next eight hours so we can get some kip". Basically spent 23 hours of its fcking day in a cage going absolutely spare.
Anyway I went home for Christmas and basically told family I was looking for a new place pronto because the house and room wasn't really suitable in the first place, I was a bit sick of listening to them fck (she sounded pretty decent though tbf) and recounted the above story about the dog.
Goes back to work in January and get a call at the office from the pair of them saying "I think you need to come home now". Bit weird but ok. On the way home mother rings while I'm driving. "Right, I know you're not going to like this but I haven't been able to sleep since you left and..."
She'd called the fcking RSPCA and they'd come round to inspect and repossess the thing 
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| Dog owners. on 14:46 - Sep 12 with 1998 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dog owners. on 14:33 - Sep 12 by Hayesender |
I remember reading a few years ago about this stat regarding labs, and can well believe it.
I had a lab years ago, and although he was a big bundle of joy most of the time, he did have a streak in him, and he would switch in a second for no apparent reason.
Now, we got him over a year old off of a drug addict who wanted some drug money, so of course we didn't know his history and how he was brought up.
My dog now is a staff. First time I've ever had a bull breed, and I've gotta say, he is the most loving dog I've ever had. Can be a bit offish with other dogs, but only if he feels threatened by them, but this is where you as the owner should be responsible and take them away from what could be a situation.
Back to the XL types, I wouldn't fancy trying to drag a snarling 9 stone dog away from anything tbh. May as well have a lion on a lead |
If you got the Lab from a drug addict, the chances are it came with some behavioural issues. Be thankful that it was as good as gold most of the time. With respect to the staff, it sounds like it also has a streak, albeit around other dogs, but being a responsible owner, you keep it in check.
With respect to the 'statistic', I'd like to see a link as I suspect we're talking raw numbers which is too simplistic. To be meaningful it would have to be adjusted on a per dog basis.
For example, let's say there are 2 million Labradors in the UK and 5,000 XL Bullys. If 1,000 Labradors commit an attack compared to 100 XL Bullys, on the face of it the Labrador appears the more dangerous breed. However, when you boil it down that would represent 0.05% of the Labrador population compared to 10% of XL Bullys. This would be a more meaningful stat.
N.B. Before anyone gets moist, I've just created the example for demo purposes. My point is that I'd like to see a link to these 'statistics' to check its validity. [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 14:59]
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| Dog owners. on 14:59 - Sep 12 with 1949 views | Rangersw12 |
We have a 18 month Lemon Beagle we've had from 10 weeks
She is very protective of us and will bark at the window at anyone approaching the house unless she knows them .
She can also be protective when out with my missus or if the youngest is with her .
The amount of people who just allow their dogs to go up to others with no lead is astounding and I've had many an argument with telling people to control their dog
As for these 9 stone beasts you should have to have a special licence to own one as they clearly should be for experienced dog owners only | | | |
| Dog owners. on 15:02 - Sep 12 with 1941 views | Lblock |
| Dog owners. on 14:19 - Sep 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Would be nice to see a link to that stat regarding Labradors. If that's true I suspect it's because they're a very popular breed so there is significantly more Labradors out there. To be meaningful the stat would have to be adjusted on a per dog basis.
In theory, regulation makes sense however, with an estimated 12 million dogs in the UK, in practice it would be very difficult (and expensive) to police. It's not as if you can stick a reg plate to their backs and have APNR cameras detect whether the dog is legally registered or not. [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 14:34]
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Here's just one link
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-breed-most-likely-to-attack-
As I said -- numbers game. It's the most popular breed in UK, ergo, most statistically likely to bite you. Last time I got bit was by a Lab - got into a ruck with my young lad and I committed the cardinal sin of getting inbetween two posturing male dogs.
If you want to dive into the stats game it'll prove you anything.
What is clear is the sort of w@nker who is likely to own a dog for attack purposes will go for a bull breed type, a Rotty, a Malamutt or the like. However I must again firmly state - good owners will more than likely have good dogs, one contributor to this thread confirms that totally.
I currently have an issue with a fella from time to time on one of our regular walks.
He has a Doberman
Cropped ears, ping collar, stupid name (that's the dog - not the owner)
Little scrap with my dogs and his response was "I'll set him on your dogs and you and you'll all get hurt"
We walked away but since then it's been avoidance - now if there's ever an issue in the future I am going to assume he has intended it and the nett result will be escalation and he will end up getting more than he bargained for......... that's because he's clearly a bad owner and rather than the "dogs will be dogs" approach and calming stuff down he wants to be a "man dem innit" I wont be campaigning for Dobermans to be demonized and banned.
This'll blow around for a while until SKY News finds tomorrows yellow ticker splash and us responsible dog owners will just go back to being snootily looked at by joggers, mothers with toddlers in prams and keeping our eyes peeled for the next scummy tw@t with no idea on how to control his four legged weapon.
Oh the joy [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 15:07]
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| Dog owners. on 15:10 - Sep 12 with 1899 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dog owners. on 14:45 - Sep 12 by Northernr |
Good post.
Few years back I rented a spare room from a young, newly married couple in Corby while I worked on the paper there.
They were, kindly put, a bit impulsive. 24-25 years old, he already had two kids from a prior relationship, they'd just got married, bought the house on a mortgage they clearly couldn't afford (hence me in the spare room), then one week a new TV arrived on credit, then next week a new souped up Fiesta with a bean can exhaust arrived. It was like they always had to be buying something, doing something, spending some money. New toy each week.
Anyway one week a labradoodle puppy arrives. All black, ridiculously cute, could sit in the palm of your hand.
But of course they don't stay that size. And apparently, I'm told and certainly experienced with this one, the energy levels on them is off the scale. This thing grew bigger at almost exactly the same rate they lost interest in the thing.
They said they were "crate training" it, which basically meant it lived in a cage in the utility room for the whole duration of the day they were at work. A cage that, as it grew, became ever decreasingly inadequate for the poor thing's needs until it couldn't even really turn around in it.
They'd then come home from work and take it on the obligatory walk, but again as winter drew in and interest waned these became shorter and shorter and were often skipped. So the thing would be going absolutely crazy around the house while they were trying to eat dinner, watch TV, and then sleep. So then it started going back in the cage "just while Corrie is on" and "just while we eat tea" and "just while we have this film on" and "just for the next eight hours so we can get some kip". Basically spent 23 hours of its fcking day in a cage going absolutely spare.
Anyway I went home for Christmas and basically told family I was looking for a new place pronto because the house and room wasn't really suitable in the first place, I was a bit sick of listening to them fck (she sounded pretty decent though tbf) and recounted the above story about the dog.
Goes back to work in January and get a call at the office from the pair of them saying "I think you need to come home now". Bit weird but ok. On the way home mother rings while I'm driving. "Right, I know you're not going to like this but I haven't been able to sleep since you left and..."
She'd called the fcking RSPCA and they'd come round to inspect and repossess the thing
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Awkward! To be fair to your mother, she did the right thing but she could've at least waited until you'd moved out! | | | |
| Dog owners. on 15:11 - Sep 12 with 1897 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Dog owners. on 14:46 - Sep 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
If you got the Lab from a drug addict, the chances are it came with some behavioural issues. Be thankful that it was as good as gold most of the time. With respect to the staff, it sounds like it also has a streak, albeit around other dogs, but being a responsible owner, you keep it in check.
With respect to the 'statistic', I'd like to see a link as I suspect we're talking raw numbers which is too simplistic. To be meaningful it would have to be adjusted on a per dog basis.
For example, let's say there are 2 million Labradors in the UK and 5,000 XL Bullys. If 1,000 Labradors commit an attack compared to 100 XL Bullys, on the face of it the Labrador appears the more dangerous breed. However, when you boil it down that would represent 0.05% of the Labrador population compared to 10% of XL Bullys. This would be a more meaningful stat.
N.B. Before anyone gets moist, I've just created the example for demo purposes. My point is that I'd like to see a link to these 'statistics' to check its validity. [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 14:59]
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Quite a balanced view on the numbers here. The recent increases are really worrying being caused by inexperienced ownership and dodgy breeding.
https://www.lawrencenewport.co.uk/p/why-are-so-many-children-dying-to
Looking through the list of fatal dog attacks in the UK, a notable pattern emerges. In 2021, 2 of the 4 UK fatalities were from a breed known as the American Bully XL. In 2022, 6 out of 10 were American Bullies. In 2023, so far all fatalities appear to have been American Bullies. In other words, without American Bullies, the dog fatalities list would reduce to 4 for 2022 (within the usual consistent range we’ve seen for the past 4 decades), and perhaps none at all for 2023 thus far. | | | |
| Dog owners. on 15:15 - Sep 12 with 1870 views | Northernr |
| Dog owners. on 15:10 - Sep 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Awkward! To be fair to your mother, she did the right thing but she could've at least waited until you'd moved out! |
Almost word for word what I said, but with extra swearing. | | | |
| Dog owners. on 15:22 - Sep 12 with 1843 views | Boston |
In the Hugh Essay, Border Collies are said to be the most likely to bite / attack humans. I've had one and yes, we couldn't turn our backs to him. | |
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| Dog owners. on 15:39 - Sep 12 with 1780 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dog owners. on 15:02 - Sep 12 by Lblock |
Here's just one link
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-breed-most-likely-to-attack-
As I said -- numbers game. It's the most popular breed in UK, ergo, most statistically likely to bite you. Last time I got bit was by a Lab - got into a ruck with my young lad and I committed the cardinal sin of getting inbetween two posturing male dogs.
If you want to dive into the stats game it'll prove you anything.
What is clear is the sort of w@nker who is likely to own a dog for attack purposes will go for a bull breed type, a Rotty, a Malamutt or the like. However I must again firmly state - good owners will more than likely have good dogs, one contributor to this thread confirms that totally.
I currently have an issue with a fella from time to time on one of our regular walks.
He has a Doberman
Cropped ears, ping collar, stupid name (that's the dog - not the owner)
Little scrap with my dogs and his response was "I'll set him on your dogs and you and you'll all get hurt"
We walked away but since then it's been avoidance - now if there's ever an issue in the future I am going to assume he has intended it and the nett result will be escalation and he will end up getting more than he bargained for......... that's because he's clearly a bad owner and rather than the "dogs will be dogs" approach and calming stuff down he wants to be a "man dem innit" I wont be campaigning for Dobermans to be demonized and banned.
This'll blow around for a while until SKY News finds tomorrows yellow ticker splash and us responsible dog owners will just go back to being snootily looked at by joggers, mothers with toddlers in prams and keeping our eyes peeled for the next scummy tw@t with no idea on how to control his four legged weapon.
Oh the joy [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 15:07]
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Sadly, that link is all headline and no stats (or even numbers for that matter). It also rather contradicts itself by suggesting that breed varies by location. For example, at the end of the article it states "Liverpool police revealed last year that Jack Russell terriers were responsible for the most dog bites in the city".
However, I agree with the underlying point. I've lost count of the number of times Cesar Millan would say that the owner is usually to blame. Dogs can behave badly for a variety of reasons, such as boredom, stress, anxiety, lack of training, or medical issues. They need mental and physical stimulation to stay happy and healthy. If the owner doesn't provide this stimulation then behavioural problems arise.
Of more concern are the owners (such as your nemesis) who actively promote aggressive behaviour for their own personal amusement or to fit an image. Typically these cretins tend to go for big, strong dogs such as Staffs, Bullys, Dobermans, etc, so these breeds are highlighted in the media.
Clearly, something needs to be done to prevent savage attacks, however I remain unconvinced that these isolated incidents justify banning an entire breed, anymore than particular car models should be banned because of accident statistics. | | | |
| Dog owners. on 15:49 - Sep 12 with 1734 views | GloryHunter |
| Dog owners. on 10:11 - Sep 12 by hubble |
On the final point, I've been trying to design (well, I haven't really, but I've thought about it) a device that you attach underneath the tail that immediately incinerates anything that comes out of its arse, leaving only a harmless pile of ash. Could be a winner. Maybe I should Dragon's Den it. |
They have those for the carriage horses in Bruges (and probably elsewhere). Minus the incinerator, of course. |  | | |
| Dog owners. on 16:10 - Sep 12 with 1686 views | Metallica_Hoop |
When I was in South Africa my mates brother had a Boerboel guard dog called Nelson and when I first met this thing I shat myself.
They are gigantic but after a few beers I was playing with it as it was very well trained (the owner was the only independent safari guide allowed in the Kruger at the time) anyway at one point he put his jaws over my forearm playfully and I thought 'If he bites thats my arm gone!' he didn't obviously but it made me realise how powerfull and large this thing really was.
If a chav got one of these I'd be very, very weary the small ones are over 10 stone!
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| Dog owners. on 16:21 - Sep 12 with 1652 views | ChrisNW6 |
Spain has this issue so right
Restricted dog breeds in Spain
Spain does not have breed-specific bans, and all dog breeds are welcome in the country. However, there are restrictions on strong and aggressive dog breeds such as the Staffordshire Terrier, Pit Bull Terrier, Dogo Argentino, Akita Inu, Tosa Inu, Rottweiler, Fila Brasiliero and other powerful dog breeds. The list of restricted breeds is not limited to these breeds; it covers all dogs that are aggressive by nature, irrespective of the breed.
Dogs of these breeds and their crosses are considered potentially dangerous and owning such a dog in Spain comes with additional rules and responsibilities.
What are potentially dangerous dog breeds?
Spanish law considers dog breeds that are bred for attack and have the potential ability to cause death or injury to people and other animals as potentially dangerous breeds. Though the country does not ban any particular breed, dogs matching the following physical characteristics are considered potentially dangerous:
Dogs that weigh more than 20kg and have strong musculature
Dogs with bulky heads and short necks
Dogs that are trained for attack
Dogs with strong jaws and a wide mouth
Responsibilities of the pet parent of a potentially dangerous dog
Pet parents who wish to import a potentially dangerous dog in Spain have to follow all local regulations. Pet owners have to be more than 18 years of age to own a potentially dangerous dog, and they must be physically and psychologically capable of caring for the dog.
The dogs must be registered with the local council.
All vaccinations must be up-to-date.
Your dog must have a license and a microchip.
The dog must have a third-party liability insurance policy that covers dog attacks.
The dog must be on a lead and muzzled at all times in a public place. Potentially dangerous dog breeds flying into Spain must be muzzled during the post-entry check.
If the dog is off the lead at home, the pet parent must make safety arrangements to ensure the dog stays within the perimeter of the residence and cannot escape and wander away.
If the dog is lost or stolen, it must be immediately communicated to the local authorities. | | | |
| Dog owners. on 16:26 - Sep 12 with 1643 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Dog owners. on 13:45 - Sep 12 by PunteR |
Just out of curiosity what's your history with dogs.? I mean you've posted a petition to ban my 2 dogs so just wondered if you've had a personal experience with the XL breed or you're just reacting to that shocking video.?
I've been viciously attacked when I was 12 by a German Shepherd . Had me on the front garden floor biting my back and neck. Wasn't a nice experience for sure. Was my mates dog . A few days after the event they asked me if I wanted him put down. I said no.
Had a fear of dogs for a few years but I absolutely love them now.
I've got 2 bullys. One an XL the other a pocket x standard. I love them to bits. I've had my missus WhatsApp me today really distressed by the news and I told her to switch it off. We've had all this before. Rottweilers, Staff's, now XL Bullys. It's a load of bollox mate. Yes there are isolated incidents and that video is a horror show but that's not showing you the whole picture.
To ban a whole breed is ridiculous but I agree there needs to be more regulations in place. I consider myself a responsible owner and some of the comment on here has been pretty shit to read tbh. Ignorance is the word I'd probably use to describe them.
This media hype does nothing to help the breed and just stirs up more rubbish. My dogs are marmite we have people crossing the road to say hello, we get people stopping in cars to have a look or compliment them but also we have people crossing the road to avoid them. Last night my missus nearly had a row with some woman with a poodle and her husband blatantly looking at us in disgust, pointing her finger at Murphy my dog. Stuck up ignorant cow. My dogs are always on the lead and we always bag up their shit.
Im not a road man and despite my sometimes confrontational, bolshy sweary posts on here I'm far from that in real life . Those who know me on here will back that up. |
I have an extremely well trained Working Cocker Spaniel.
Judging by your post you seem well suited to owning an XL. | | | |
| Dog owners. on 16:42 - Sep 12 with 1604 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I've never owned a dog. I am a cat man myself and of course, you never own a cat, you are merely part of it's retinue of staff.
However, I bet in 99% of the cases, it's the owners who are the problem, not the dog itself.
I lived with a mate and his family for a while when between houses, and he relented and bought two Labradors after months of pestering by his kids. And as soon as they have gone from the cute puppies to active lads, did they walk them? Did they feck!
My mate was not an active chap, his wife less so and the kids: disappeared quicker than a rat down a manhole. So, who ended up walking them? Muggins here! Would anyone come clean the merde? You guessed right again.
Did anyone train them? Not bloody likely, and so on weekends, I walked the legs off them over Blundell Sands up in Liverpool and managed installing some semblance of discipline until I disappeared south for Xmas and returned to find fat, useless, and totally misbehaved dogs who were literally tearing the place up and had done hundreds of pounds of damage to a neighbour's property.
In the end, he had to send them to a pound for rehoming. On the day they came to collect them, I went for a walk and found the collector stopped as the two dogs were literally smashing the inside of the van...well, they were scouse dogs after all. I looked at the bloke and told him the above and he said that the problem with dogs is people who have no clue, or no time and energy should not have them.
Upshot: well done Benjamin the Ball for not going gooey during C19 and those on here who invest time and energy with their mutts. If you can't do this, then wait until you can or get a goldfish instead! |  |
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| Dog owners. on 17:07 - Sep 12 with 1536 views | Rangersw12 |
| Dog owners. on 16:21 - Sep 12 by ChrisNW6 |
Spain has this issue so right
Restricted dog breeds in Spain
Spain does not have breed-specific bans, and all dog breeds are welcome in the country. However, there are restrictions on strong and aggressive dog breeds such as the Staffordshire Terrier, Pit Bull Terrier, Dogo Argentino, Akita Inu, Tosa Inu, Rottweiler, Fila Brasiliero and other powerful dog breeds. The list of restricted breeds is not limited to these breeds; it covers all dogs that are aggressive by nature, irrespective of the breed.
Dogs of these breeds and their crosses are considered potentially dangerous and owning such a dog in Spain comes with additional rules and responsibilities.
What are potentially dangerous dog breeds?
Spanish law considers dog breeds that are bred for attack and have the potential ability to cause death or injury to people and other animals as potentially dangerous breeds. Though the country does not ban any particular breed, dogs matching the following physical characteristics are considered potentially dangerous:
Dogs that weigh more than 20kg and have strong musculature
Dogs with bulky heads and short necks
Dogs that are trained for attack
Dogs with strong jaws and a wide mouth
Responsibilities of the pet parent of a potentially dangerous dog
Pet parents who wish to import a potentially dangerous dog in Spain have to follow all local regulations. Pet owners have to be more than 18 years of age to own a potentially dangerous dog, and they must be physically and psychologically capable of caring for the dog.
The dogs must be registered with the local council.
All vaccinations must be up-to-date.
Your dog must have a license and a microchip.
The dog must have a third-party liability insurance policy that covers dog attacks.
The dog must be on a lead and muzzled at all times in a public place. Potentially dangerous dog breeds flying into Spain must be muzzled during the post-entry check.
If the dog is off the lead at home, the pet parent must make safety arrangements to ensure the dog stays within the perimeter of the residence and cannot escape and wander away.
If the dog is lost or stolen, it must be immediately communicated to the local authorities. |
Those laws would be far too sensible for this country [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 17:07]
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| Dog owners. on 17:17 - Sep 12 with 1506 views | Ranger_Things |
| Dog owners. on 15:11 - Sep 12 by ChrisNW6 |
Quite a balanced view on the numbers here. The recent increases are really worrying being caused by inexperienced ownership and dodgy breeding.
https://www.lawrencenewport.co.uk/p/why-are-so-many-children-dying-to
Looking through the list of fatal dog attacks in the UK, a notable pattern emerges. In 2021, 2 of the 4 UK fatalities were from a breed known as the American Bully XL. In 2022, 6 out of 10 were American Bullies. In 2023, so far all fatalities appear to have been American Bullies. In other words, without American Bullies, the dog fatalities list would reduce to 4 for 2022 (within the usual consistent range we’ve seen for the past 4 decades), and perhaps none at all for 2023 thus far. |
To get a proper view you need to look behind the numbers. Most of the deaths are caused by child neglect and many others by pure stupidity. Random attacks causing death are extremely rare. The dogs involved over the years are mainly powerful breeds but move with fashion. GSD, Rotties, Pitbulls, Staffy X and now the Bully XL.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom
From the figures you can see the Pitbull ban didn’t work as they just got rebranded Staffy X, American Bulldog X and now Am Bullies. The XL is basically a bigger version. It’s a Pitbull/American Bulldog type crossed with mastiff types to breed a larger dog. Also there is no scientific way of proving the dogs breed as it is a human construct based on looks and opinion. By description an XL could be any one of a dozen large breeds making a ban unworkable but even they did another breed would come into fashion and the deaths would continue. It really is the owners not the dogs.
If our Government were serious about tackling sh1tty owners and dangerous dogs, and I wish they would be, they’d introduce mandatory dog licenses, and properly fund councils, rehoming centres, dog wardens to crack down on out of control dogs and bad behaviour. I doubt it make a difference to the death statistics but I reckon it would cut the numbers of dog bites and dog on dog deaths. Not to mention the mountains of dog sh1t covering our parks and pavements. [Post edited 12 Sep 2023 17:54]
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| Dog owners. on 17:21 - Sep 12 with 1481 views | Ranger_Things |
| Dog owners. on 16:21 - Sep 12 by ChrisNW6 |
Spain has this issue so right
Restricted dog breeds in Spain
Spain does not have breed-specific bans, and all dog breeds are welcome in the country. However, there are restrictions on strong and aggressive dog breeds such as the Staffordshire Terrier, Pit Bull Terrier, Dogo Argentino, Akita Inu, Tosa Inu, Rottweiler, Fila Brasiliero and other powerful dog breeds. The list of restricted breeds is not limited to these breeds; it covers all dogs that are aggressive by nature, irrespective of the breed.
Dogs of these breeds and their crosses are considered potentially dangerous and owning such a dog in Spain comes with additional rules and responsibilities.
What are potentially dangerous dog breeds?
Spanish law considers dog breeds that are bred for attack and have the potential ability to cause death or injury to people and other animals as potentially dangerous breeds. Though the country does not ban any particular breed, dogs matching the following physical characteristics are considered potentially dangerous:
Dogs that weigh more than 20kg and have strong musculature
Dogs with bulky heads and short necks
Dogs that are trained for attack
Dogs with strong jaws and a wide mouth
Responsibilities of the pet parent of a potentially dangerous dog
Pet parents who wish to import a potentially dangerous dog in Spain have to follow all local regulations. Pet owners have to be more than 18 years of age to own a potentially dangerous dog, and they must be physically and psychologically capable of caring for the dog.
The dogs must be registered with the local council.
All vaccinations must be up-to-date.
Your dog must have a license and a microchip.
The dog must have a third-party liability insurance policy that covers dog attacks.
The dog must be on a lead and muzzled at all times in a public place. Potentially dangerous dog breeds flying into Spain must be muzzled during the post-entry check.
If the dog is off the lead at home, the pet parent must make safety arrangements to ensure the dog stays within the perimeter of the residence and cannot escape and wander away.
If the dog is lost or stolen, it must be immediately communicated to the local authorities. |
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| Dog owners. on 17:35 - Sep 12 with 1456 views | PunteR |
| Dog owners. on 16:26 - Sep 12 by Beckenhamhoop |
I have an extremely well trained Working Cocker Spaniel.
Judging by your post you seem well suited to owning an XL. |
What an arrogant response. Well done you.
Not even sure what you mean by that last bit. You probably want to take that bit back. Only because it makes you look an even bigger tw*t than me.
[Post edited 12 Sep 2023 18:00]
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