| Catalunya 12:00 - Oct 1 with 19900 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Incredible scenes as riot police try to stop the referendum on independence.
Twitter jamming up with similar scenes of violence. This could get very bad.
edit - 38 reported injured now, some possibly by rubber bullets. [Post edited 1 Oct 2017 12:05]
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| Catalunya on 12:17 - Oct 1 with 5938 views | isawqpratwcity |
I could make some glib comment about maintaining traditional Spanish values, like Fascism, but tbf almost no government in the world would allow a separatist movement to foment. |  |
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| Catalunya on 12:20 - Oct 1 with 5930 views | MrSheen |
| Catalunya on 12:17 - Oct 1 by isawqpratwcity |
I could make some glib comment about maintaining traditional Spanish values, like Fascism, but tbf almost no government in the world would allow a separatist movement to foment. |
Britain and Canada survived separatist referenda. |  | | |
| Catalunya on 12:22 - Oct 1 with 5925 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Madrid giving us a lesson in how to lose a referendum.
I wonder if the world's newest country will be Catalunya or Kurdistan. [Post edited 1 Oct 2017 12:23]
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| Catalunya on 12:30 - Oct 1 with 5897 views | MrSheen |
| Catalunya on 12:22 - Oct 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Madrid giving us a lesson in how to lose a referendum.
I wonder if the world's newest country will be Catalunya or Kurdistan. [Post edited 1 Oct 2017 12:23]
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Great job, as by all accounts the separatists would have lost a free referendum. The best way to get people to want something is to tell them they can't have it. I would put money on independent Catalonia first, as they would only have one angry neighbour, while the Kurds would be surrounded. | | | |
| Catalunya on 12:31 - Oct 1 with 5891 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Catalunya on 12:20 - Oct 1 by MrSheen |
Britain and Canada survived separatist referenda. |
Yes, I never could understand why Scotland got a vote while Ireland had to have a war. | |
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| Catalunya on 12:38 - Oct 1 with 5874 views | MedwayR |
The way the Spanish government have handled this has been so short-sighted, and now aggressive and violent. Do they not think that the rest of the world is watching, viewing scenes like these, how does that make the country look. The attempted referendum created a situation of law & order vs democracy but all the Spanish government had to do was let them get on with it and if it went their way then happy days the problem goes away, if it didn't then so what, it's an illegal referendum and holds no weight. Tackling the referendum as they are turns more Catalans towards independence and makes Spain look like it's still being run like some dictatorship where people don't have any freedoms. I hope no one gets seriously hurt, those being violent (on both sides) are held to account especially after seeing the way the police have handled it, and that the situation resolves itself peacefully. [Post edited 1 Oct 2017 12:38]
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| Catalunya on 12:51 - Oct 1 with 5848 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Catalunya on 12:31 - Oct 1 by isawqpratwcity |
Yes, I never could understand why Scotland got a vote while Ireland had to have a war. |
N Ireland had a vote in the 70s. | | | |
| Catalunya on 12:57 - Oct 1 with 5832 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Catalunya on 12:51 - Oct 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
N Ireland had a vote in the 70s. |
How did that work out? | |
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| Catalunya on 13:41 - Oct 1 with 5768 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Catalunya on 12:38 - Oct 1 by MedwayR |
The way the Spanish government have handled this has been so short-sighted, and now aggressive and violent. Do they not think that the rest of the world is watching, viewing scenes like these, how does that make the country look. The attempted referendum created a situation of law & order vs democracy but all the Spanish government had to do was let them get on with it and if it went their way then happy days the problem goes away, if it didn't then so what, it's an illegal referendum and holds no weight. Tackling the referendum as they are turns more Catalans towards independence and makes Spain look like it's still being run like some dictatorship where people don't have any freedoms. I hope no one gets seriously hurt, those being violent (on both sides) are held to account especially after seeing the way the police have handled it, and that the situation resolves itself peacefully. [Post edited 1 Oct 2017 12:38]
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Agree with you.
Shades of The British Empire creating martyrs after 1916. | |
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| Catalunya on 13:52 - Oct 1 with 5746 views | MrSheen |
Boycotted by Republicans IIRC. Landslide result. | | | |
| Catalunya on 14:10 - Oct 1 with 5711 views | Hayesender |
EU style democracy in action. For the European union, see the Soviet union |  |
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| Catalunya on 14:16 - Oct 1 with 5692 views | distortR |
the political elite only endorses referendum's that they believe will entrench their power - only in Britain their arrogance caused them to mis-read and even lose the popular vote.
Awful footage Brian, when the forces of law lose their head, the law of force is what you get. still. at least the police remembered who signs off their monthly pay-cheque, albeit not the the people who actually put the money in the government's coffers to enable the government to oppress them. |  | | |
| Catalunya on 14:17 - Oct 1 with 5688 views | distortR |
| Catalunya on 12:38 - Oct 1 by MedwayR |
The way the Spanish government have handled this has been so short-sighted, and now aggressive and violent. Do they not think that the rest of the world is watching, viewing scenes like these, how does that make the country look. The attempted referendum created a situation of law & order vs democracy but all the Spanish government had to do was let them get on with it and if it went their way then happy days the problem goes away, if it didn't then so what, it's an illegal referendum and holds no weight. Tackling the referendum as they are turns more Catalans towards independence and makes Spain look like it's still being run like some dictatorship where people don't have any freedoms. I hope no one gets seriously hurt, those being violent (on both sides) are held to account especially after seeing the way the police have handled it, and that the situation resolves itself peacefully. [Post edited 1 Oct 2017 12:38]
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On the other hand, it may well ensure them a world cup finals in the near future. | | | |
| Catalunya on 14:17 - Oct 1 with 5683 views | kensalriser |
Struggling to see how this is anything to do with the EU? |  |
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| Catalunya on 14:18 - Oct 1 with 5681 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Catalunya on 14:10 - Oct 1 by Hayesender |
EU style democracy in action. For the European union, see the Soviet union |
Basques up next and then the big one, Yorkshire! Of course, we’ll send them the ballot papers with only the ‘Yes’ option on the paper already ticked off. |  |
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| Catalunya on 14:20 - Oct 1 with 5680 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Catalunya on 13:52 - Oct 1 by MrSheen |
Boycotted by Republicans IIRC. Landslide result. |
So no problems, then? | |
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| Catalunya on 15:25 - Oct 1 with 5583 views | Bluce_Ree |
Saw some footage of Spanish police attacking firemen. This seems pretty f**ked. |  |
| ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE THROUGH MARTI THE REDEEMER WHO STRENGTHENS ME. |
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| Catalunya on 15:32 - Oct 1 with 5560 views | enfieldargh |
if they did separate from Spain does that mean Barcelona & Espanol from their own league or join the Andoran one? |  |
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| Catalunya on 15:38 - Oct 1 with 5547 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I have Barce, Las Palmas on the telly and it’s behind closed doors!
Is this due to some prior disciplinary matter, or the referendum? | |
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| Catalunya on 15:50 - Oct 1 with 5521 views | Jigsore |
| Catalunya on 15:38 - Oct 1 by PlanetHonneywood |
I have Barce, Las Palmas on the telly and it’s behind closed doors!
Is this due to some prior disciplinary matter, or the referendum? |
because of fears over safety |  |
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| Catalunya on 15:57 - Oct 1 with 5510 views | Boston |
| Catalunya on 15:32 - Oct 1 by enfieldargh |
if they did separate from Spain does that mean Barcelona & Espanol from their own league or join the Andoran one? |
Conundrum for Barcelona and their fans. Independence will leave them the equivalent of Shrewsbury in ten years time. Espanol, well they're generally not pro independence on any level. | |
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| Catalunya on 16:01 - Oct 1 with 5507 views | Boston |
| Catalunya on 14:17 - Oct 1 by kensalriser |
Struggling to see how this is anything to do with the EU? |
You wait, Bob Geldof's hiring a boat as we speak. | |
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| Catalunya on 17:36 - Oct 1 with 5376 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I'll take a pop at the Tories with any chance they give me, but this handling of Scottish ref demands look almost professional. | | | |
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