| Manager 16:57 - Nov 8 with 12442 views | sixnil |
Smith and Saito not used in a match that was made for them. I have struggled to understand team selection in the last few matches. Help |  | | |  |
| Manager on 11:41 - Nov 9 with 2679 views | TK1 |
The mood of this thread is unrecognisable (to me anyway) to that in the ground, in the pub or on the train after, where everybody seemed pretty happy. Job done, stopped the rot against a team that is in a ridiculously false position. They had a £10 million striker on the bench they didn't bother to bring on when they need a home win more than most. A CB worth more than our entire back five.
The left back and goal keeping situation was a much bigger problem to solve than whetherJS brought on Saito or Vale (who've both been match winners and also underwhelming by turn: young players early in Championship careers, suck it up). Could have gone badly wrong: Field up against £10+ million quid attackers and a middle-aged man who hasn't kept goal for 18 months: both really excelled, considering.
To the ludicrous notion that Stephan is on thin ice, to be canned by the FA Cup 3rd round. No way, unless we lose every game until January will he be sacked. Very good manager who will get better at this league with time - needs it, squad needs it. We'd deserve everything coming if they fired him (we've kept managers through much, much worse form).
Sorry if it seemed like a miserable 0-0 on your streams. Been to plenty like that where we've lost or 1-0 -2-0, so kudos to the set up for averting that. We had a great away day, one of the best grounds for it. Decent performance, good mood in the away end, lots of positives: I'd rather be QPR today than Sheffield United, that's for sure. | | | |
| Manager on 11:50 - Nov 9 with 2620 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager on 11:41 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
The mood of this thread is unrecognisable (to me anyway) to that in the ground, in the pub or on the train after, where everybody seemed pretty happy. Job done, stopped the rot against a team that is in a ridiculously false position. They had a £10 million striker on the bench they didn't bother to bring on when they need a home win more than most. A CB worth more than our entire back five.
The left back and goal keeping situation was a much bigger problem to solve than whetherJS brought on Saito or Vale (who've both been match winners and also underwhelming by turn: young players early in Championship careers, suck it up). Could have gone badly wrong: Field up against £10+ million quid attackers and a middle-aged man who hasn't kept goal for 18 months: both really excelled, considering.
To the ludicrous notion that Stephan is on thin ice, to be canned by the FA Cup 3rd round. No way, unless we lose every game until January will he be sacked. Very good manager who will get better at this league with time - needs it, squad needs it. We'd deserve everything coming if they fired him (we've kept managers through much, much worse form).
Sorry if it seemed like a miserable 0-0 on your streams. Been to plenty like that where we've lost or 1-0 -2-0, so kudos to the set up for averting that. We had a great away day, one of the best grounds for it. Decent performance, good mood in the away end, lots of positives: I'd rather be QPR today than Sheffield United, that's for sure. |
Every QPR manager is a poor / unlucky run away from the sack. That's how it's been for decades.
They have dumped the youth policy hastily, I don't see why they wouldn't dump the manager just as quickly.
My 'ludicrous' suggestion was a comment on that and only that.
Wouldn't be my choice just a comment on past form under this leadership. |  | | |
| Manager on 12:11 - Nov 9 with 2539 views | TK1 |
| Manager on 11:50 - Nov 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Every QPR manager is a poor / unlucky run away from the sack. That's how it's been for decades.
They have dumped the youth policy hastily, I don't see why they wouldn't dump the manager just as quickly.
My 'ludicrous' suggestion was a comment on that and only that.
Wouldn't be my choice just a comment on past form under this leadership. |
They've not dumped anything. They just have a fully-fit squad with players who are better, far more reliable and more experienced than the "youth policy" players (presume you mean Dev squad?). Championship minutes are not freebies, you have to earn it. I don't think those Dev players are anywhere near as good as has been suggested, but maybe when we have the next injury crisis they're going to get minutes: let's see who gets picked up on loan and by whom in January. Nobody is begging to play these players. Only Kolli is contentious, but we're not talking starters so it's bit of a white elephant.
And despite that, yesterday a 19-year-old, three 22 year-olds, a 23 year-old , two 24 year-olds played, (plus Madsen, 25) so other than the emergency keeper and Cook it's hardly Dad's Army. I think that is youth policy in action: recruit and play far younger players than we have for years.
One win, one draw and three defeats in what always looked like a tough run of matches is hardly sacking form. They kept Cifuentes through far, far worse (and Warburton). | | | |
| Manager on 12:30 - Nov 9 with 2447 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 12:11 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
They've not dumped anything. They just have a fully-fit squad with players who are better, far more reliable and more experienced than the "youth policy" players (presume you mean Dev squad?). Championship minutes are not freebies, you have to earn it. I don't think those Dev players are anywhere near as good as has been suggested, but maybe when we have the next injury crisis they're going to get minutes: let's see who gets picked up on loan and by whom in January. Nobody is begging to play these players. Only Kolli is contentious, but we're not talking starters so it's bit of a white elephant.
And despite that, yesterday a 19-year-old, three 22 year-olds, a 23 year-old , two 24 year-olds played, (plus Madsen, 25) so other than the emergency keeper and Cook it's hardly Dad's Army. I think that is youth policy in action: recruit and play far younger players than we have for years.
One win, one draw and three defeats in what always looked like a tough run of matches is hardly sacking form. They kept Cifuentes through far, far worse (and Warburton). |
Minor correction: It’s W1 D1 L4 in the last 6.
I think you have to judge the reaction to a 0-0 draw away against a bottom 3 side in that light. And I think you need judge overall fan reaction to this season as it progresses in the wider context of the last 10 years, the dumping of a popular head coach in May, the money we have spent in the last 16 months, the treatment of one of the best talents we’ve produced from our academy in years, and all the social media posts saying how great everything is going and how brilliant our leadership is.
We’re still 16th.
It’s a little disheartening. Surely that can be understood? [Post edited 9 Nov 12:32]
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| Manager on 12:56 - Nov 9 with 2354 views | TK1 |
| Manager on 12:30 - Nov 9 by Hunterhoop |
Minor correction: It’s W1 D1 L4 in the last 6.
I think you have to judge the reaction to a 0-0 draw away against a bottom 3 side in that light. And I think you need judge overall fan reaction to this season as it progresses in the wider context of the last 10 years, the dumping of a popular head coach in May, the money we have spent in the last 16 months, the treatment of one of the best talents we’ve produced from our academy in years, and all the social media posts saying how great everything is going and how brilliant our leadership is.
We’re still 16th.
It’s a little disheartening. Surely that can be understood? [Post edited 9 Nov 12:32]
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I'm just judging by the reaction in the ground, in the pub, on the train yesterday: no dramas, pretty good mood all round. Gritty 0-0 away from home against big-spending promotion favourites, no matter where they are right now.
Ignore the table in November, always.
Yes, we're 16th in the Championship on November 9th - about where we should be. I am not remotely disheartened by that. Season ends in May,
For context, on November 9th 2024 QPR were 24th, rock bottom with one win, five points away from 21st and safety. We stayed there until the end of the month. Neither us nor Portsmouth directly above us on November 9th were troubled in the end by relegation.
Coventry, incidentally, were 17th on November 9th 2024. Made the play-offs and making the running now.
Nobody need be gloomy nor disheartened, unless they really enjoy that mood. In which case, go for it. | | | |
| Manager on 13:18 - Nov 9 with 2290 views | ingeminate |
| Manager on 11:41 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
The mood of this thread is unrecognisable (to me anyway) to that in the ground, in the pub or on the train after, where everybody seemed pretty happy. Job done, stopped the rot against a team that is in a ridiculously false position. They had a £10 million striker on the bench they didn't bother to bring on when they need a home win more than most. A CB worth more than our entire back five.
The left back and goal keeping situation was a much bigger problem to solve than whetherJS brought on Saito or Vale (who've both been match winners and also underwhelming by turn: young players early in Championship careers, suck it up). Could have gone badly wrong: Field up against £10+ million quid attackers and a middle-aged man who hasn't kept goal for 18 months: both really excelled, considering.
To the ludicrous notion that Stephan is on thin ice, to be canned by the FA Cup 3rd round. No way, unless we lose every game until January will he be sacked. Very good manager who will get better at this league with time - needs it, squad needs it. We'd deserve everything coming if they fired him (we've kept managers through much, much worse form).
Sorry if it seemed like a miserable 0-0 on your streams. Been to plenty like that where we've lost or 1-0 -2-0, so kudos to the set up for averting that. We had a great away day, one of the best grounds for it. Decent performance, good mood in the away end, lots of positives: I'd rather be QPR today than Sheffield United, that's for sure. |
For balance loads of people round me were vocally annoyed about the lack of and then nature of our subs - crying out for Saito/Smyth to be brought on. Flip side there was more a sense of relief we got a draw, not frustration we didn’t win, and I think Sheff U will climb the table so a point was a decent result. |  |
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| Manager on 13:48 - Nov 9 with 2197 views | mart_Goblin |
| Manager on 12:56 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
I'm just judging by the reaction in the ground, in the pub, on the train yesterday: no dramas, pretty good mood all round. Gritty 0-0 away from home against big-spending promotion favourites, no matter where they are right now.
Ignore the table in November, always.
Yes, we're 16th in the Championship on November 9th - about where we should be. I am not remotely disheartened by that. Season ends in May,
For context, on November 9th 2024 QPR were 24th, rock bottom with one win, five points away from 21st and safety. We stayed there until the end of the month. Neither us nor Portsmouth directly above us on November 9th were troubled in the end by relegation.
Coventry, incidentally, were 17th on November 9th 2024. Made the play-offs and making the running now.
Nobody need be gloomy nor disheartened, unless they really enjoy that mood. In which case, go for it. |
Sounds like you didn’t bump into Clive then ? 😀
Listen, I annoyingly, see both sides of the argument .
In another thread I said that I had peculiar mixed emotions after the game and later on reading some the posts on here .
I get the argument that this is a bottom 3 team and to play for a draw for the last half an hour is frustrating and negative . I was annoyed by the tactics for the second half by the head coach . Sometimes the best form of defence is attack . Not stupidly, but pick your moments with Smyth and Burrell threatening to stretch them . That then stops them throwing as many players forward etc etc. we defended pretty well as a team, but they still hit the post at the death. We encouraged that and got a little lucky .
On the flip side though , their position although deserved until now, is completely false.
Only time will tell of course but I wouldn’t mind betting they don’t finish too far from the play offs . Making them might be a stretch, but despite the turmoil they still have a strong and talented squad.
I do wonder about the Hamer choice . He did well didn’t he? Big and commanding . Thick as mince if he really didn’t know about the 8 second rule. Really??? Not buying it.
But he had a good game , no doubt .
Stephan’s choice? Not sure .
I also think Stephan is now fed up with no real right back attacking presence and is looking to sort that out and trying knew things. It’s been plain to see for a while.
Mbengue probably wont be the answer long term , mainly because he’ll be suspended again by Christmas. That challenge for the yellow card was as stupid a thing I’ve seen for a while and that’s saying something.
But to have someone overlapping with pace is a big advantage. He put in one incredible cross .
Just the one though .
We had square pegs on round holes and that’s why a point for me wasn’t terrible .
But, have a go at them and thst could have been an important win . |  | | |
| Manager on 13:56 - Nov 9 with 2161 views | TK1 |
| Manager on 13:48 - Nov 9 by mart_Goblin |
Sounds like you didn’t bump into Clive then ? 😀
Listen, I annoyingly, see both sides of the argument .
In another thread I said that I had peculiar mixed emotions after the game and later on reading some the posts on here .
I get the argument that this is a bottom 3 team and to play for a draw for the last half an hour is frustrating and negative . I was annoyed by the tactics for the second half by the head coach . Sometimes the best form of defence is attack . Not stupidly, but pick your moments with Smyth and Burrell threatening to stretch them . That then stops them throwing as many players forward etc etc. we defended pretty well as a team, but they still hit the post at the death. We encouraged that and got a little lucky .
On the flip side though , their position although deserved until now, is completely false.
Only time will tell of course but I wouldn’t mind betting they don’t finish too far from the play offs . Making them might be a stretch, but despite the turmoil they still have a strong and talented squad.
I do wonder about the Hamer choice . He did well didn’t he? Big and commanding . Thick as mince if he really didn’t know about the 8 second rule. Really??? Not buying it.
But he had a good game , no doubt .
Stephan’s choice? Not sure .
I also think Stephan is now fed up with no real right back attacking presence and is looking to sort that out and trying knew things. It’s been plain to see for a while.
Mbengue probably wont be the answer long term , mainly because he’ll be suspended again by Christmas. That challenge for the yellow card was as stupid a thing I’ve seen for a while and that’s saying something.
But to have someone overlapping with pace is a big advantage. He put in one incredible cross .
Just the one though .
We had square pegs on round holes and that’s why a point for me wasn’t terrible .
But, have a go at them and thst could have been an important win . |
This time last year, bottom. Now, 16th. Year on year that's progression. I didn't want Cifuentes to leave, but we're playing better now with a bigger (too big?) and stronger squad.
Can still go tits up very easily. Charlton away is the 50th anniversary to the day of my first game and every single season since has confounded expectations throughout each season. We could be ninth in February, talking foolishly about "targets", or 20th, being sucked into the vortex.
Who knows? Week by week. But so far, an improvement year-on-year. [Post edited 9 Nov 13:56]
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| Manager on 14:10 - Nov 9 with 2114 views | kensalriser |
I'm relieved we didn't lose, but it wasn't a good game. I don't care how good they're supposed to be or how much their players cost (O'Hare is a shadow of the player he was at Coventry and Danny Ings looks decades past his peak), they've been shite this season and that was a very winnable game we decided not to try to win.
It was like watching people competitively eat steak with spoons. |  |
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| Manager on 14:26 - Nov 9 with 2051 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 13:56 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
This time last year, bottom. Now, 16th. Year on year that's progression. I didn't want Cifuentes to leave, but we're playing better now with a bigger (too big?) and stronger squad.
Can still go tits up very easily. Charlton away is the 50th anniversary to the day of my first game and every single season since has confounded expectations throughout each season. We could be ninth in February, talking foolishly about "targets", or 20th, being sucked into the vortex.
Who knows? Week by week. But so far, an improvement year-on-year. [Post edited 9 Nov 13:56]
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The squad was a hell of a lot worse last season, had had a lot less spent, and was a year earlier into this project. So it’s a complete apples and pears comparison and a straw man argument.
I, personally, found yesterday’s result “meh”. I don’t think it can be described as “good”. I can understand those frustrated and angry by the result and performance in the wider context. My whole point though was that, regardless of you feel or I feel, it is totally understandable why people are frustrated or disheartened. The reaction hasn’t been over the top. No one calling for the Head Coach to go. Not much coating of players. Frustration and disappointment mainly. It is understandable. If you can’t see that, you’re pretty poor at second positioning. | | | |
| Manager on 14:53 - Nov 9 with 2002 views | 7374Ranger |
| Manager on 17:39 - Nov 8 by Lblock |
They earn their corn halftime and in game subs / tactical changes don’t they?
That second half was terrible and I was hoping after a just above average first half we’d take it to them second half and beat a team clearly bereft of confidence.
Instead we came out and sat deep.
The subs were scandalous and how you could prefer Vale to Smyth I have no idea.
Having said that, I’d hope people can now see how poor our squad is and if Kolli can’t even make the bench with the paucity of alternatives up there then he should be putting in a transfer request.
Good job I’m only two beers deep otherwise I’d be rolling out the surrender monkey trope.
Not happy!!! |
I was also infuriated when Vale came on for Dembele. What did Vale add to the performance?
Smyth world have tested their defence with his pace. Burrell could have played down the middle when Kone was subbed and this would have added pace for counter attacks, as Sheffield Utd were pushing players forward in search of a goal.
A missed opportunity in my view, but I suppose stopping the rot and a clean sheet maybe was Stephan's priority. | | | |
| Manager on 18:05 - Nov 9 with 1784 views | TK1 |
| Manager on 14:26 - Nov 9 by Hunterhoop |
The squad was a hell of a lot worse last season, had had a lot less spent, and was a year earlier into this project. So it’s a complete apples and pears comparison and a straw man argument.
I, personally, found yesterday’s result “meh”. I don’t think it can be described as “good”. I can understand those frustrated and angry by the result and performance in the wider context. My whole point though was that, regardless of you feel or I feel, it is totally understandable why people are frustrated or disheartened. The reaction hasn’t been over the top. No one calling for the Head Coach to go. Not much coating of players. Frustration and disappointment mainly. It is understandable. If you can’t see that, you’re pretty poor at second positioning. |
Yeah, it is a year later in the project and yeah, the squad has had more spent on it: hence it being in a better position.
It's not a "a straw man argument" nor "apples and pears". It's a direct comparison between QPR on November 9th 2024 and QPR on November 9th 2025. There literally couldn't be a better comparison.
Please tell me a better metric. Who should QPR in November 2025 be measured against year on year?
People can feel how they like. feel 'meh', knock yourself out. I'm not policing anyone. And you can talk down to me if you like - "second positioning", Jesus - I'm not applying for a job as an assistant regional manager below you, boss. It's a football messageboard about a team who are currently pretty much exactly they should be based on finances and size. My season ticket hasn't gone up significantly in years, my expectations are fairly low, and I had a good day out the match that we didn't lose yesterday. I don't think it's that bad and that it can definitely get much worse. It wasn't heaven when we won 1-2 at Bristol and it wasn't hell losing 1-2 to Millwall. It's where we are right now.
Everyone can feel how they like. I'm just airing my opinion on a QPR thread expressing disappointment with a manager that I don't necessarily feel, nor do those I travelled with. Hope that it's acceptable not to be het up about the manager. Plenty of others can be that. | | | |
| Manager on 18:57 - Nov 9 with 1696 views | daveB |
I thought we did OK yesterday, personally thought we played better agaihst Southampton but we stopped the losing run and take a point from a game I think most of us expected to lose given the history of QPR.
That said I can see why people are disapointed as we offered very little as an attacking unit again and were reliant onm Sheffield United not taking their chances in the end.
I hope we see a lot better in the weeks/months to come |  | | |
| Manager on 19:59 - Nov 9 with 1601 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 18:05 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
Yeah, it is a year later in the project and yeah, the squad has had more spent on it: hence it being in a better position.
It's not a "a straw man argument" nor "apples and pears". It's a direct comparison between QPR on November 9th 2024 and QPR on November 9th 2025. There literally couldn't be a better comparison.
Please tell me a better metric. Who should QPR in November 2025 be measured against year on year?
People can feel how they like. feel 'meh', knock yourself out. I'm not policing anyone. And you can talk down to me if you like - "second positioning", Jesus - I'm not applying for a job as an assistant regional manager below you, boss. It's a football messageboard about a team who are currently pretty much exactly they should be based on finances and size. My season ticket hasn't gone up significantly in years, my expectations are fairly low, and I had a good day out the match that we didn't lose yesterday. I don't think it's that bad and that it can definitely get much worse. It wasn't heaven when we won 1-2 at Bristol and it wasn't hell losing 1-2 to Millwall. It's where we are right now.
Everyone can feel how they like. I'm just airing my opinion on a QPR thread expressing disappointment with a manager that I don't necessarily feel, nor do those I travelled with. Hope that it's acceptable not to be het up about the manager. Plenty of others can be that. |
What are you on about?
You posted “nobody needs to be gloomy or disheartened”. All I’ve said is that there are lots of reasons why some fans will be. Doesn’t mean you should be. But making out there is nothing to be disheartened about at all, that such fans have no justification for it, is a bit disingenuous and not very empathetic. You can feel the way you do without arguing everything is rosy. Several posters who were there have pointed out that the vibe you had in the away end and on the day was not what they experienced too.
The comment about second positioning was valid. You can either see it from others’ perspectives or you can’t.
You can get all infantile if you want in response.
All I’ve done above is respond to your first post saying “well you can see why people feel a bit disheartened.” You’ve come back and said, no, they shouldn’t. I’ve reiterated the point and said if you can’t see that you aren’t good at second positioning. Why take the great offence and get childish?
And on the comparison, of course it’s apples and pears. Last season we had a much worse squad and we persisted with the game model until mid-November. This season the squad is, by everyone’s assessment objectively better having had much more spent on it, and we’ve given the HC more leeway to do his own thing. Different squads mean the comparison is invalid. Performance va expectation (based on factors relevant to this season) is what matters.
If this meets your expectation, fine. Great for you. Great you had nice away day (genuinely) and enjoyed the game. But it’s a bit rich making out that no one has reason to feel “meh” or “disheartened” about the result or where we are currently. As you said, it’s a forum, that’s all I was calling you out on. | | | |
| Manager on 20:55 - Nov 9 with 1534 views | TK1 |
| Manager on 19:59 - Nov 9 by Hunterhoop |
What are you on about?
You posted “nobody needs to be gloomy or disheartened”. All I’ve said is that there are lots of reasons why some fans will be. Doesn’t mean you should be. But making out there is nothing to be disheartened about at all, that such fans have no justification for it, is a bit disingenuous and not very empathetic. You can feel the way you do without arguing everything is rosy. Several posters who were there have pointed out that the vibe you had in the away end and on the day was not what they experienced too.
The comment about second positioning was valid. You can either see it from others’ perspectives or you can’t.
You can get all infantile if you want in response.
All I’ve done above is respond to your first post saying “well you can see why people feel a bit disheartened.” You’ve come back and said, no, they shouldn’t. I’ve reiterated the point and said if you can’t see that you aren’t good at second positioning. Why take the great offence and get childish?
And on the comparison, of course it’s apples and pears. Last season we had a much worse squad and we persisted with the game model until mid-November. This season the squad is, by everyone’s assessment objectively better having had much more spent on it, and we’ve given the HC more leeway to do his own thing. Different squads mean the comparison is invalid. Performance va expectation (based on factors relevant to this season) is what matters.
If this meets your expectation, fine. Great for you. Great you had nice away day (genuinely) and enjoyed the game. But it’s a bit rich making out that no one has reason to feel “meh” or “disheartened” about the result or where we are currently. As you said, it’s a forum, that’s all I was calling you out on. |
I didn't say they couldn't feel like that. I literally wrote:
"People can feel how they like. Feel 'meh', knock yourself out. I'm not policing anyone."
So people can feel gloomy and disheartened. I was saying I don't really feel like that, nor do I believe it's as bad as it could be, has been or one day will be again. But I may be wrong.
The comparison between QPR 9th November 2024 and QPR 9th November 2025 is perfectly valid. Yes, it's a different set of circumstances now because in the year there has been progression. That's the point of comparison. Show me better a comparison.
ps. I'm a very empathetic person, baby, my second positioning second to none | | | |
| Manager on 23:04 - Nov 9 with 1356 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 20:55 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
I didn't say they couldn't feel like that. I literally wrote:
"People can feel how they like. Feel 'meh', knock yourself out. I'm not policing anyone."
So people can feel gloomy and disheartened. I was saying I don't really feel like that, nor do I believe it's as bad as it could be, has been or one day will be again. But I may be wrong.
The comparison between QPR 9th November 2024 and QPR 9th November 2025 is perfectly valid. Yes, it's a different set of circumstances now because in the year there has been progression. That's the point of comparison. Show me better a comparison.
ps. I'm a very empathetic person, baby, my second positioning second to none |
Let’s agree to disagree on the comparison. Last year my expectations were a lot lower because of the squad and my complete lack of faith in Nourry. This year, my expectations are higher because of the squad, and the consensus that Nourry has done a good job on player trading, has had another year at the helm and others keep saying he’s doing some good stuff. So different expectations make comparing the first team from one season to other irrelevant in my mind. This year, I felt, we should be progressing from perennial 16th-18th, and it doesn’t look like that yet. I presume if we finish in a lower position this season you would be disheartened given your straight line comparison?
On the other stuff, I felt your tone was very much that there was no reason to be frustrated/disappointed/disheartened based on the performance and result, in the context, I explained…which struck me as somewhat inconsiderate and unempathetic. You never said “I can understand why people feel like that, and they have justification, but I’d don’t because…”. The but you’ve quoted doesn’t exactly strike the same tone, does it?
But whatever; if the above wasn’t your intention, then, understood.
I’ve just got a bee in my bonnet with some of our fans - not you per se - telling other fans not to complain or critique, and that things are going well. Raining, piss on, head, my, tell me, and, don’t When you have heard what I’ve heard from reliable sources, and see what we all see on the pitch, and find ourselves 16th for another season (in spite of all this genius player trading), it’s perfectly reasonable to question whether things are going well.
Meanwhile, it feels like another season goes by where we finish in the same area of the league as we have for a decade, and the prospect of ever seeing us in Europe before I die gets more distant.
Hopefully I’ve jinxed myself now and we’ll have a super rest of the season. | | | |
| Manager on 05:19 - Nov 10 with 1248 views | QPROslo |
| Manager on 18:05 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
Yeah, it is a year later in the project and yeah, the squad has had more spent on it: hence it being in a better position.
It's not a "a straw man argument" nor "apples and pears". It's a direct comparison between QPR on November 9th 2024 and QPR on November 9th 2025. There literally couldn't be a better comparison.
Please tell me a better metric. Who should QPR in November 2025 be measured against year on year?
People can feel how they like. feel 'meh', knock yourself out. I'm not policing anyone. And you can talk down to me if you like - "second positioning", Jesus - I'm not applying for a job as an assistant regional manager below you, boss. It's a football messageboard about a team who are currently pretty much exactly they should be based on finances and size. My season ticket hasn't gone up significantly in years, my expectations are fairly low, and I had a good day out the match that we didn't lose yesterday. I don't think it's that bad and that it can definitely get much worse. It wasn't heaven when we won 1-2 at Bristol and it wasn't hell losing 1-2 to Millwall. It's where we are right now.
Everyone can feel how they like. I'm just airing my opinion on a QPR thread expressing disappointment with a manager that I don't necessarily feel, nor do those I travelled with. Hope that it's acceptable not to be het up about the manager. Plenty of others can be that. |
100% this. | | | |
| Manager on 09:22 - Nov 10 with 1122 views | wombat |
| Manager on 14:53 - Nov 9 by 7374Ranger |
I was also infuriated when Vale came on for Dembele. What did Vale add to the performance?
Smyth world have tested their defence with his pace. Burrell could have played down the middle when Kone was subbed and this would have added pace for counter attacks, as Sheffield Utd were pushing players forward in search of a goal.
A missed opportunity in my view, but I suppose stopping the rot and a clean sheet maybe was Stephan's priority. |
from listenning to his after match press conference he seemed to only want the draw the subs confirmed that , though they was there for the taking esp with what we had aval on the bench. safety first subs not lets win the game subs for me. we have all seen smyth come on ate and help get us up the pitch and batter a tired left back , vale decent touch zero pace. hadyn and smythn didnt look that happy at the end of the game so id guess they agreed as well . |  |
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| Manager on 10:42 - Nov 10 with 1042 views | TheChef |
| Manager on 11:41 - Nov 9 by TK1 |
The mood of this thread is unrecognisable (to me anyway) to that in the ground, in the pub or on the train after, where everybody seemed pretty happy. Job done, stopped the rot against a team that is in a ridiculously false position. They had a £10 million striker on the bench they didn't bother to bring on when they need a home win more than most. A CB worth more than our entire back five.
The left back and goal keeping situation was a much bigger problem to solve than whetherJS brought on Saito or Vale (who've both been match winners and also underwhelming by turn: young players early in Championship careers, suck it up). Could have gone badly wrong: Field up against £10+ million quid attackers and a middle-aged man who hasn't kept goal for 18 months: both really excelled, considering.
To the ludicrous notion that Stephan is on thin ice, to be canned by the FA Cup 3rd round. No way, unless we lose every game until January will he be sacked. Very good manager who will get better at this league with time - needs it, squad needs it. We'd deserve everything coming if they fired him (we've kept managers through much, much worse form).
Sorry if it seemed like a miserable 0-0 on your streams. Been to plenty like that where we've lost or 1-0 -2-0, so kudos to the set up for averting that. We had a great away day, one of the best grounds for it. Decent performance, good mood in the away end, lots of positives: I'd rather be QPR today than Sheffield United, that's for sure. |
Thanks, I needed to read this!
Still mystified why Smyth didn't come on though. He can make things happen with his pace and workrate. |  |
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| Manager on 10:44 - Nov 10 with 1038 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I've rarely seen anyone happy with a draw, whatever the merits of it. | | | |
| Manager on 10:51 - Nov 10 with 1021 views | wombat |
| Manager on 10:44 - Nov 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I've rarely seen anyone happy with a draw, whatever the merits of it. |
the draw on sat showed us we have a coach who didnt have the balls to go for it for me , they wants great and our subs helped them improve , not saying we would have won but id lay odds we would have done way better than we did after vale and frey came on , i feel for kolli if frey is somehow getting ahead of him in the squad | |
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| Manager on 10:54 - Nov 10 with 1003 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager on 10:51 - Nov 10 by wombat |
the draw on sat showed us we have a coach who didnt have the balls to go for it for me , they wants great and our subs helped them improve , not saying we would have won but id lay odds we would have done way better than we did after vale and frey came on , i feel for kolli if frey is somehow getting ahead of him in the squad |
'not saying we would have won but id lay odds we would have done way better than we did'
Sorry to be pedantic but isn't doing better than a draw a win? | | | |
| Manager on 10:57 - Nov 10 with 983 views | Juzzie |
| Manager on 10:44 - Nov 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I've rarely seen anyone happy with a draw, whatever the merits of it. |
I dunno.... drawing 5-5 with Newcastle after being 4-0 down at half-time was pretty good!
Those at Port Vale were probably happy too.
Being 2-0 down at home to Brentford and we then scored 2 goals in injury time probably didn't go un-celebrated.
I'm sure there are other examples over the years. |  | | |
| Manager on 11:37 - Nov 10 with 891 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager on 10:57 - Nov 10 by Juzzie |
I dunno.... drawing 5-5 with Newcastle after being 4-0 down at half-time was pretty good!
Those at Port Vale were probably happy too.
Being 2-0 down at home to Brentford and we then scored 2 goals in injury time probably didn't go un-celebrated.
I'm sure there are other examples over the years. |
Aye there are some but I did say rarely. | | | |
| Manager on 12:42 - Nov 10 with 801 views | KensalT |
| Manager on 12:30 - Nov 9 by Hunterhoop |
Minor correction: It’s W1 D1 L4 in the last 6.
I think you have to judge the reaction to a 0-0 draw away against a bottom 3 side in that light. And I think you need judge overall fan reaction to this season as it progresses in the wider context of the last 10 years, the dumping of a popular head coach in May, the money we have spent in the last 16 months, the treatment of one of the best talents we’ve produced from our academy in years, and all the social media posts saying how great everything is going and how brilliant our leadership is.
We’re still 16th.
It’s a little disheartening. Surely that can be understood? [Post edited 9 Nov 12:32]
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You're right to say it's disheartening.
But we need to put into context who we have played in the last six games:
- Three parachute money teams
- Millwall. who most pundits were predicting to push for the playoffs this season
- Derby, who spent big in the summer and have won their last five games
- Swansea, where we weren't great but got over the line
The three parachute money teams might have struggled to get going this season but they have better players and deeper squads than us.
I'm not glossing over the fact that recent performances have been disappointing but they have mostly been against sides who would expect to get good results against us.
Maybe the biggest disappointment of all is that we aren't showing any real progress from last season where we struggled against the sides who finished above us and took most of our points from teams who finished beneath us.
I guess you could say we have found our level, but we do seem to be stuck here! [Post edited 10 Nov 16:45]
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