| Hillsbrough on 13:38 - Jun 28 with 4466 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Good.
However....."No organisation will face corporate charges... CPS chief Sue Hemming revealed earlier." [Post edited 28 Jun 2017 13:40]
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| Hillsbrough on 13:44 - Jun 28 with 4444 views | Juzzie |
About time and let's have none of this 'too ill to stand trial' malarky.
Let's just hope it doesn't take 30 years for the same to happen with the Grenfell Tower tradegy. |  | | |
| Hillsbrough on 13:59 - Jun 28 with 4411 views | paulparker |
Its fair to say Duckenfield is going to be the fall guy and deservedly so , but I do hope he has the balls to name and shame and take a few with him which are shall we say "above " him and who more than likely helped the cover up |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Hillsbrough on 17:19 - Jun 28 with 4257 views | TGRRRSSS |
Still plenty of wriggle room I suspect, doubt any will see the inside of a prison cell.
Will they be stripped of their pensions? tthe Cops mkainly.
Still cant see why companies cannot face action, especially SYPF
Oh and West MIdlands too.
I see Sheff Weds get out of it, are no directords alive to face this? Other than one bloke. [Post edited 28 Jun 2017 17:20]
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| Hillsbrough on 19:04 - Jun 28 with 4182 views | onlyrinmoray |
Whilst Ive every sympathy for those families affected by Hillsborough I always find it disturbing how Hysel and the loss of life there is convenitely forgotten by Liverpool or do they remember it in any way ? |  | | |
| Hillsbrough on 19:13 - Jun 28 with 4164 views | MrSheen |
He was Wednesday's company secretary, responsible for safety. |  | | |
| Hillsbrough on 19:30 - Jun 28 with 4141 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Hillsbrough on 19:13 - Jun 28 by MrSheen |
He was Wednesday's company secretary, responsible for safety. |
I didn't realise that he worked for us.
The charges against him could amount to something or they may not.
I have experience of this as I was charged with corporate manslaughter over an awful incident in East London where a woman tragically lost her life. The rules at the time stated that everybody from the labourers involved to the Managing Director were charged, including the Director responsible for Safety. It was then up to each individual to prove his/her innocence. Luckily, my records were good and I had to a certain extent written proof that I was unconnected to the tragedy and charges against me were dropped.
A rough law, but entirely necessary in corporate cases like this one. it does mean, however, that many of those charges are innocent but that law dictates that they be charged in the first instance. | |
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| Hillsbrough on 23:19 - Jun 28 with 4003 views | Brightonhoop |
| Hillsbrough on 19:30 - Jun 28 by BrianMcCarthy |
I didn't realise that he worked for us.
The charges against him could amount to something or they may not.
I have experience of this as I was charged with corporate manslaughter over an awful incident in East London where a woman tragically lost her life. The rules at the time stated that everybody from the labourers involved to the Managing Director were charged, including the Director responsible for Safety. It was then up to each individual to prove his/her innocence. Luckily, my records were good and I had to a certain extent written proof that I was unconnected to the tragedy and charges against me were dropped.
A rough law, but entirely necessary in corporate cases like this one. it does mean, however, that many of those charges are innocent but that law dictates that they be charged in the first instance. |
What an awful experience Brian. I guess that rigidity is necessary to keep all in line.
Amazing that no Corporate charges have been brought.
I wonder if they will claim no chance of a fair trial based in previous exposes. |  | | |
| Hillsbrough on 23:45 - Jun 28 with 3973 views | Boston |
| Hillsbrough on 19:30 - Jun 28 by BrianMcCarthy |
I didn't realise that he worked for us.
The charges against him could amount to something or they may not.
I have experience of this as I was charged with corporate manslaughter over an awful incident in East London where a woman tragically lost her life. The rules at the time stated that everybody from the labourers involved to the Managing Director were charged, including the Director responsible for Safety. It was then up to each individual to prove his/her innocence. Luckily, my records were good and I had to a certain extent written proof that I was unconnected to the tragedy and charges against me were dropped.
A rough law, but entirely necessary in corporate cases like this one. it does mean, however, that many of those charges are innocent but that law dictates that they be charged in the first instance. |
I was charged with attempted murder once, told 'em my name was Brian McCarthy  |  |
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| Hillsbrough on 23:49 - Jun 28 with 3967 views | johncharles |
Will no one think of their pensions  |  |
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| Hillsbrough on 09:12 - Jun 29 with 3848 views | smegma |
| Hillsbrough on 19:04 - Jun 28 by onlyrinmoray |
Whilst Ive every sympathy for those families affected by Hillsborough I always find it disturbing how Hysel and the loss of life there is convenitely forgotten by Liverpool or do they remember it in any way ? |
They're not conveniently forgotten. Liverpool send a party every year to Juve to commemorate the tragedy.. Some scouse fans went to court. It's taken 28 years to get to this stage. | | | |
| Hillsbrough on 10:07 - Jun 29 with 3813 views | TheChef |
Whole thing is dodgy as hell.
Liverpool played there in a league game January 1989 and had no issues with entering the ground or crowd control.
So many cock ups and odd decisions on the day and in the run up to the game; collusion of SYP, media and government. If you look online you'll find some allegations that the events of that day were not entirely accidental. Look what happened to football just a few years after, and the state of the game now. |  |
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| Hillsbrough on 10:47 - Jun 29 with 3773 views | MrSheen |
| Hillsbrough on 10:07 - Jun 29 by TheChef |
Whole thing is dodgy as hell.
Liverpool played there in a league game January 1989 and had no issues with entering the ground or crowd control.
So many cock ups and odd decisions on the day and in the run up to the game; collusion of SYP, media and government. If you look online you'll find some allegations that the events of that day were not entirely accidental. Look what happened to football just a few years after, and the state of the game now. |
Wednesday - Liverpool league attendance 31,524
Liverpool - Forest cup attendance 48,894 | | | |
| Hillsbrough on 11:02 - Jun 29 with 3753 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Hillsbrough on 23:19 - Jun 28 by Brightonhoop |
What an awful experience Brian. I guess that rigidity is necessary to keep all in line.
Amazing that no Corporate charges have been brought.
I wonder if they will claim no chance of a fair trial based in previous exposes. |
It was shocking. I can still see that poor woman's blood all over the pavement. It haunted me for many years, still does to a certain degree.
The law is an excellent one. There is no doubt that if it wasn't for the company I worked for that lady would have lived that morning. Only right that we were all charged and made to prove our innocence.
As for Hillsborough, each person charged will need to be lucky on two fronts: firstly, he'll need to convince the authorities of his innocence; secondly, he'll have to convince himself every night when the light goes out. | |
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| Hillsbrough on 11:08 - Jun 29 with 3739 views | TheChef |
| Hillsbrough on 10:47 - Jun 29 by MrSheen |
Wednesday - Liverpool league attendance 31,524
Liverpool - Forest cup attendance 48,894 |
No doubting the differences in attendance.
It's the difference in crowd control procedures between those two matches, and why that was the case. | |
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| Hillsbrough on 11:22 - Jun 29 with 3718 views | Northernr |
| Hillsbrough on 11:08 - Jun 29 by TheChef |
No doubting the differences in attendance.
It's the difference in crowd control procedures between those two matches, and why that was the case. |
well because one was a league match and they were the away team and one was a semi final with 20,000 more people and they got an equal allocation.
Is there anything that's happened in the last 30 years that you don't think was a massive government conspiracy? |  | | |
| Hillsbrough on 11:28 - Jun 29 with 3700 views | MrSheen |
| Hillsbrough on 11:08 - Jun 29 by TheChef |
No doubting the differences in attendance.
It's the difference in crowd control procedures between those two matches, and why that was the case. |
I would also think that the police and turnstile operators would have been on the lookout for forged tickets for a sold-out game. Considering each turnstile had to admit a person every two-to-three seconds to get everyone into a sold-out terrace in an hour, even a quick glance would have led to overcrowding outside. (if I recall, there were seven turnstiles for the terrace, or one for 1,400 capacity). [Post edited 29 Jun 2017 11:31]
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| Hillsbrough on 11:37 - Jun 29 with 3673 views | TheChef |
| Hillsbrough on 11:22 - Jun 29 by Northernr |
well because one was a league match and they were the away team and one was a semi final with 20,000 more people and they got an equal allocation.
Is there anything that's happened in the last 30 years that you don't think was a massive government conspiracy? |
No, not really! Although the last 30 years is a bit limiting ;)
Let's just say I don't believe in coincidences. Everything happens for a reason. | |
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| Hillsbrough on 12:16 - Jun 29 with 3607 views | isawqpratwcity |
About f*cking time.
I had previously viewed the disaster as inevitable caused by a failure of stadium design - but I hadn't realised the extent of the criminal negligence of crowd control that day, nor of the attribution of blame to the victims to deflect culpability.
Let's not forget, too, the government mentality of the time that the terraces were for people who had to be caged. |  |
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| Hillsbrough on 16:36 - Jun 29 with 3442 views | derbyhoop |
IMHO, the tragedy was down to a whole series of events combined.
I'm sure I went to Hillsborough a month or so before the semi final and the tunnel immediately in front of the turnstiles drew the fans like a magnet. There had been difficulties at previous big games. The management on the day (Dukinfield et al) was dreadful. Too many fans arrived too late. Opening the gates. The fences that were installed as an overreaction to events at other games in the 1980s. The failure to recognise a potential tragedy as opposed to yet another example of football hooliganism. The delay in getting medical staff to the problem areas. All of these were factors.
But, to then try to cover up the mistakes was and is unforgivable. |  |
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| Hillsbrough on 16:46 - Jun 29 with 3431 views | thorpebankR |
I was at Hillsborough a few weeks before the disaster when we played them. There was only about 500 Rangers fans there from memory but I remember the police forcing us into the tunnel which was then packed and making us wait before opening the pen behind the goal. |  | | |
| Hillsbrough on 20:10 - Jun 29 with 3337 views | TGRRRSSS |
There was an earlier near miss with Spurs fans in 1981 Semi Final, there was an interesting documentary a year or so ago about Hillsborough and some of the mistakes in the initial planning compared to the semi final the year before (also with Liverpool playing) which show where things happened which spiralled out of control and lead to inevitable disaster.
South Yorks Police should also be investigated here but it's so many years ago now that it's easier I guess to go after individuals but I am sure many more who are involved especially in the subsequent cover up will escape, including the government of the day and the people in charge of the FA and others. | | | |
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