| Watson..... 21:00 - Sep 5 with 10108 views | Sandyman |
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| Watson..... on 19:02 - Sep 9 with 2491 views | D_Alien |
| Watson..... on 18:38 - Sep 9 by Cedar_Room |
I’d have got rid of him on Monday after the Gillingham debacle and started the search for someone with more experience.
I imagine the Board are going to give this at least another 5 games, given their resounding vote of confidence today.
Those games are against: Walsall (5th) Oldham (10th) Fleetwood (6th) Swindon (2nd) and Tranmere (4th).
We maybe eek out a draw against Oldham if it turns into one of those horrible niggly derby games, but I can see it more likely a humiliating drubbing, same as the other 4 fixtures.
That would undoubtedly see us in 24th place in the league and already a few points adrift.
The atmosphere in the stands is hardly likely to have improved meaning even more bad vibes and toxicity.
At that point we’re looking at needing at least 41 more points from the remaining 36 games (with the average over the last 10 years to avoid the drop being about 44 points) - thats having to win a third of all remaining games.
Even if we change managers at that stage - we’re now looking at someone not addressing a poor start but needing immediate turnaround and pretty great form just to avoid relegation, when the bond between fans and players will be badly damaged and the team will be demoralised and devoid of confidence after achieving just 1 win in 10.
None of this seems far fetched but going off the performances so far, pretty inevitable.
I think the writing is already on the wall and delaying the decision will only cost us. Would love to be proven wrong. |
If you don't allow someone the chance, you can never love to be proven wrong |  |
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| Watson..... on 19:14 - Sep 9 with 2421 views | Cedar_Room |
| Watson..... on 19:02 - Sep 9 by D_Alien |
If you don't allow someone the chance, you can never love to be proven wrong |
I’ll rephrase it then - I really hope I’m wrong but I don’t think I will be. |  | | |
| Watson..... on 19:15 - Sep 9 with 2410 views | NorthernDale |
| Watson..... on 18:05 - Sep 9 by 442Dale |
So what would you do? |
We must start considering replacing him, especially if we lose the next two. |  | | |
| Watson..... on 20:00 - Sep 9 with 2312 views | Nerazzurri |
Regardless of what happens with Watson we should go with whoever is identified as the best candidate, not this cliched “experience” just for the sake of it. The most experienced person right now is probably Ian Henderson, he’s seen the best of Hill, BBM, McNulty & would be best placed to identify what’s currently missing rather than appointing someone “experienced” journeyman that will take time to work things out, sign a load more players & send us down. |  |
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| Watson..... on 20:08 - Sep 9 with 2269 views | 442Dale |
| Watson..... on 20:00 - Sep 9 by Nerazzurri |
Regardless of what happens with Watson we should go with whoever is identified as the best candidate, not this cliched “experience” just for the sake of it. The most experienced person right now is probably Ian Henderson, he’s seen the best of Hill, BBM, McNulty & would be best placed to identify what’s currently missing rather than appointing someone “experienced” journeyman that will take time to work things out, sign a load more players & send us down. |
Keep coming back to the fact that pointing at “inexperienced” managers like Eyre and Stockdale as how things can turn out only ignores that Hill, McNulty and even Dave Sutton turned out ok in their first jobs. Could even add Bergara to that list.
It also shows a convenient avoidance to acknowledge how Bentley, Coleman, Buckley and Barrow were seen as the perfect “experienced” hands required at differing times.
A good choice will always be one who fits the club and can work with the players at their disposal. On paper, that looked like Watson. It’s the latter part of the equation he has to get right. Very soon. |  |
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| Watson..... on 20:36 - Sep 9 with 2166 views | James1980 |
| Watson..... on 20:08 - Sep 9 by 442Dale |
Keep coming back to the fact that pointing at “inexperienced” managers like Eyre and Stockdale as how things can turn out only ignores that Hill, McNulty and even Dave Sutton turned out ok in their first jobs. Could even add Bergara to that list.
It also shows a convenient avoidance to acknowledge how Bentley, Coleman, Buckley and Barrow were seen as the perfect “experienced” hands required at differing times.
A good choice will always be one who fits the club and can work with the players at their disposal. On paper, that looked like Watson. It’s the latter part of the equation he has to get right. Very soon. |
Every manager in every job has a degree of inexperience, when they first take on the role [Post edited 9 Sep 21:22]
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| Watson..... on 06:56 - Sep 10 with 1796 views | DaleiLama |
| Watson..... on 08:59 - Sep 9 by D_Alien |
Thanks for the feedback DL
That's pretty much how i'd imagine our recruitment process would've seen it, i.e. capable of achieving forward momentum, including in-game, plus his experience as assistant manager in L2; also someone with integrity and looking to progress his own career, not just someone who'd been around a few blocks looking for their next wage
We are were we are though. I'm expecting both IW and the board to front up at the forum, and as you say, some of the personal criticism (e.g. "word salads") aren't justified. The performances aren't good enough (Tranmere and Shrewsbury apart) that's the bottom line |
Absolutely. And although we got a result at Tranmere the performance was OK at best but Tranmere squandered a lot of chances that day with awful finishing - including their pens. Shrewsbury was also a statistical outlier for me as they didn't do their homework on the 'aggressive press and bomb the box' approach - Dale's kryptonite. I expect Latics won't make the same mistake. I'll be back for that one but I expect it will get ugly in every respect, but hope I'm wrong in every respect.
Will try to stream the forum when it's up. I hope and expect fans to question but maintain respect and stay classy |  |
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| Watson..... on 10:09 - Sep 10 with 1577 views | 49thseason |
| Watson..... on 20:36 - Sep 9 by James1980 |
Every manager in every job has a degree of inexperience, when they first take on the role [Post edited 9 Sep 21:22]
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True James, but managers also have to be leaders, they have to have the capacity to inspire their players, which is why many football managers have a decent playing record. Obviously there are exceptions but having been there and done it must be a big advantage.. |  | | |
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| Watson..... on 10:55 - Sep 10 with 1518 views | JimmyRustler |
| Watson..... on 20:00 - Sep 9 by Nerazzurri |
Regardless of what happens with Watson we should go with whoever is identified as the best candidate, not this cliched “experience” just for the sake of it. The most experienced person right now is probably Ian Henderson, he’s seen the best of Hill, BBM, McNulty & would be best placed to identify what’s currently missing rather than appointing someone “experienced” journeyman that will take time to work things out, sign a load more players & send us down. |
Absolutely not.
We need a steady hand with managerial experience at an adequate level.
Taking that sort of gamble is what has landed us in this mess in the first place |  | | |
| Watson..... on 16:09 - Sep 10 with 1237 views | 100notout |
| Watson..... on 10:55 - Sep 10 by JimmyRustler |
Absolutely not.
We need a steady hand with managerial experience at an adequate level.
Taking that sort of gamble is what has landed us in this mess in the first place |
Jim Bentley was "experienced". As was John Coleman.
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| Watson..... on 16:37 - Sep 10 with 1180 views | JimmyRustler |
| Watson..... on 16:09 - Sep 10 by 100notout |
Jim Bentley was "experienced". As was John Coleman.
Just saying like |
They were also probably the only managers we could reasonably afford at the time.
I know you’re playing devils advocate but the circumstances are entirely different | | | |
| Watson..... on 00:58 - Sep 11 with 898 views | Shun |
| Watson..... on 16:09 - Sep 10 by 100notout |
Jim Bentley was "experienced". As was John Coleman.
Just saying like |
John Coleman wasn’t even a bad manager. He had us skirting around the playoffs in League Two. Granted, his philosophy of snide play, diving and winking was as far away from a Rochdale philosophy as we could imagine, but results-wise he wasn’t bad at all. The only reason he was sacked is because Hill became available. |  | | |
| Watson..... on 06:55 - Sep 11 with 754 views | isitme |
| Watson..... on 00:58 - Sep 11 by Shun |
John Coleman wasn’t even a bad manager. He had us skirting around the playoffs in League Two. Granted, his philosophy of snide play, diving and winking was as far away from a Rochdale philosophy as we could imagine, but results-wise he wasn’t bad at all. The only reason he was sacked is because Hill became available. |
Bentley was awful as was his Barrowball football and team selection. I still believe that if he had played O'Donnell, Brierley and Rodney (centrally) whenever possible that we would have stayed up.
As you said Coleman's teams are just unlikeable. |  | | |
| Watson..... on 07:16 - Sep 11 with 731 views | EllDale |
Bentley’s football was awful as you say but he was hamstrung by two transfer windows under Stockdale and Jimmy Shan where the recruitment was horrendous.
Selling the likes of Beesley and Morley and spending money on players like Charman, Campbell and Ball for example.
And as for Rayheen Tulloch…….
I doubt if we’ll ever get the true story around the signing of Jake Eastwood and the disappearance of Brierley to Sheffield United for a period either. | | | |
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