| Utter fiasco 07:13 - May 21 with 11732 views | MattFinish |
So that’s the end of the season
You can blame Tonda and call for him to be sacked but what does that achieve for us. Getting rid of a clearly talented manager and motivator because the EFL have given us this unprecedented, disproportionate and highly controversial punishment.
More and more respected football commentators and pundits are saying this was hugely disproportionate and are shocked at the severity of the punishment
I don’t like Simon Jordan but generally he knows what he’s talking about. He said yesterday that this was ridiculous and disproportionate
So let’s look at this. We know what happened but why did the EFL come down so hard and massively out of proportion with the offence and any previous sanctions
The only thing I can think is that there was someone inside the EFL pushing for this and that points to Middlesbrough CEO and EFL board member Neil Bausor
If you look at this, it’s been engineered to allow Middlesbrough to get a second chance at getting to the playoff final, which shouldn’t have happened.
The EFL decided to allow two legs of football take place knowing the charge and that Boro had proof in the hope that Boro would win. They were beaten fair and square over two legs and were out. Then someone at the EFL decided the outcome of the game that they sanctioned to happen should be changed.
Sorry but those legs were played and Boro were knocked out. What the EFL had to look at now was the final and whether they’d allow Saints to play Hull. If the answer was no then Hull should have been promoted. Boro had been knocked out and had nothing more to do with proceedings. Where is the rule saying they could be reinstated.
The final should have been originally cancelled immediately and put back a week while this was resolved. It could have been played at a neutral ground like Old Trafford if Wembley wasn’t available
Instead the EFL have dragged this out and made it look like we were being reinstated by offering us additional tickets on the day of the first hearing just a couple of hours before the decision. This has led Hull to train to face us while all the time Boro have been preparing for Hull
So the whole thing seems to have been engineered to advantage Boro
Okay we can’t apparently appeal the decision, but we should check that’s the case, however there’s nothing to stop us asking for an enquiry into the severity of the punishment and the role played by Neil Bausor
Anyway I’ll sign off with Come on you Tigers [Post edited 21 May 7:21]
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| Utter fiasco on 12:38 - May 21 with 1522 views | saintpaz |
| Utter fiasco on 11:50 - May 21 by MattFinish |
I love the fact that everyone is posting saying he’s lost the dressing room
Where has this come from? There is no dressing room, they’re all on the beach
The problem is one person makes a speculative comment like that the numerous people repeat it like it’s fact |
Don't be pedantic Matt, you know full well what we mean, which suggests what kind of person I'm talking to.
I can't believe you still think Tonda should still be in charge after tarnishing our 141 year history with his stupid bloody antics.
Wake up and smell the coffee, this is the end for Tonda and co. Get over it! |  | | |
| Utter fiasco on 12:41 - May 21 with 1510 views | saintpaz |
| Utter fiasco on 12:26 - May 21 by BLEEDRED |
All this talk of if the manger is sacked or not is irrelevant as the FA will ban him from managing the UK anyway.
I don't blame SR in this case, they would have no say in training or day to day running of the club.
All the analysts should be sacked as well they were carrying out the instructions of the manager knowing full well it was illegal. The only one I some sympathy for is Will Salt a youngster trying to get a career in football, he has now had his career ruined before qualifying
It will be interesting to see how the club respond, all this talk of reduced season ticket next season will just mean less income that with reduced parachute payments. No way will Saints be able to compete. Many are already thinking about not renewing next year (including me!!) So the outcome of this could end with the club spending many years in the Championship or maybe even lower. This will last for a long time.(hope Im wrong) |
yup as I said, he will BANNED anyway whether Matt likes it or not. | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 15:22 - May 21 with 1407 views | StRipper |
There seem to ne shortage of Saints "fans" on here wanting or projecting Saints to be totally introspective, sack everyone and destroy everything good about our footballing leadership from the season. Whilst insisting that the Exec team all be protected.
Fans like Heisenberg and Saintpaz.... Saint Parsons by any chance? Same old same old self destructive champions who seem to hat everything about Saints and want us all to go around flagellating ourselves for being Saints supporters
I don't want to go back to the drawing board. I think we should back our people and try and protect them. What they have done is not the enormous sin that the media has clearly got everyone to believe. Including those who supposedly support the Saints.
What I am not bothered about is playing up to the media, FA, EFL and Boro and all those who don't give a sh*t about us |  | | |
| Utter fiasco on 15:28 - May 21 with 1401 views | saintpaz |
| Utter fiasco on 15:22 - May 21 by StRipper |
There seem to ne shortage of Saints "fans" on here wanting or projecting Saints to be totally introspective, sack everyone and destroy everything good about our footballing leadership from the season. Whilst insisting that the Exec team all be protected.
Fans like Heisenberg and Saintpaz.... Saint Parsons by any chance? Same old same old self destructive champions who seem to hat everything about Saints and want us all to go around flagellating ourselves for being Saints supporters
I don't want to go back to the drawing board. I think we should back our people and try and protect them. What they have done is not the enormous sin that the media has clearly got everyone to believe. Including those who supposedly support the Saints.
What I am not bothered about is playing up to the media, FA, EFL and Boro and all those who don't give a sh*t about us |
yes back the cheats StRipper, that's the way forward!
I think you, Matt, Dirk and maybe a couple of others, certainly in the minority, don't quite get the idea that their position is now untenable.
I wish things had been different too but THEY decided to make this stupid decision and it was A STUPID DECISION which has completely backfired. They are the ones that have DESTROYED it, by breaking rules with their idiotic ways of trying to spy.
There is no other way about it, sorry to say. No more needs to be said on this, end of. | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 15:28 - May 21 with 1401 views | dirk_doone |
| Utter fiasco on 15:22 - May 21 by StRipper |
There seem to ne shortage of Saints "fans" on here wanting or projecting Saints to be totally introspective, sack everyone and destroy everything good about our footballing leadership from the season. Whilst insisting that the Exec team all be protected.
Fans like Heisenberg and Saintpaz.... Saint Parsons by any chance? Same old same old self destructive champions who seem to hat everything about Saints and want us all to go around flagellating ourselves for being Saints supporters
I don't want to go back to the drawing board. I think we should back our people and try and protect them. What they have done is not the enormous sin that the media has clearly got everyone to believe. Including those who supposedly support the Saints.
What I am not bothered about is playing up to the media, FA, EFL and Boro and all those who don't give a sh*t about us |
Yes, I don't recall any self-destructive moralising form Leeds fans. They stuck with Bielsa the following season, won the Championship and Bielsa was named Championship Manager of the Year..
Because of Gibson's successful campaign against the club and the draconian punishment, SOME (not all) of our fans are turning into moralising ____s.
He had scouts watching his opponents' training session before EVERY match:
https://www.skysports.com/foot [Post edited 21 May 15:30]
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| Utter fiasco on 16:41 - May 21 with 1332 views | Bridders2 |
| Utter fiasco on 15:28 - May 21 by saintpaz |
yes back the cheats StRipper, that's the way forward!
I think you, Matt, Dirk and maybe a couple of others, certainly in the minority, don't quite get the idea that their position is now untenable.
I wish things had been different too but THEY decided to make this stupid decision and it was A STUPID DECISION which has completely backfired. They are the ones that have DESTROYED it, by breaking rules with their idiotic ways of trying to spy.
There is no other way about it, sorry to say. No more needs to be said on this, end of. |
OK let's destroy ourselves, let's all call for Tonda to go, and hire a no hope manager like we normally do. Hey may get banned, he may be fined like Bielsa. If he is banned for 12 months use him as a consultant/analyst and bring him back when our usual appointment f*cks up again.
Everyone else plays the system, including Gibsh*t, we have got to start being clever. | |
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| Utter fiasco on 16:43 - May 21 with 1319 views | Ninja9 |
I do wonder what Dragan thinks of the whole Fiasco. | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 16:54 - May 21 with 1301 views | saintpaz |
| Utter fiasco on 16:41 - May 21 by Bridders2 |
OK let's destroy ourselves, let's all call for Tonda to go, and hire a no hope manager like we normally do. Hey may get banned, he may be fined like Bielsa. If he is banned for 12 months use him as a consultant/analyst and bring him back when our usual appointment f*cks up again.
Everyone else plays the system, including Gibsh*t, we have got to start being clever. |
we don't need to destroy ourselves, Tonda has done that already | | | |
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| Utter fiasco on 17:47 - May 21 with 1253 views | kentsouthampton |
Beneath St Mary’s floodlit glow,
The Saints marched on in rows below,
With clipboards hid in trenchcoat seams,
They pinched the tactics, plots, and schemes.
They perched behind the training hedge,
A furtive scout on every edge,
With binoculars and notepads tight,
They studied set-pieces through the night.
“Oh no,” cried rivals, “surely not!
Southampton’s nicked our corner plot!
They’ve copied every pressing trap,
And mapped our keeper’s weakest gap!”
The league looked down with heavy frown,
And summoned all the club to town.
The evidence was stacked in piles:
Secret footage, coded files.
So came the ruling, cold and stark,
That silenced every playoff spark:
“No Premiership dreams for you this year,
Your spying game has cost you dear.”
The Saints fans groaned into their pies,
While rivals laughed with gleeful cries.
The playoffs rolled without red stripes,
Just rumours, memes, and tabloid types.
And somewhere south upon the coast,
A scout still hides behind a post,
Whispering softly through the rain:
“We nearly learned their throw-ins again…” |  | | |
| Utter fiasco on 18:06 - May 21 with 1229 views | 1885_SFC |
| Utter fiasco on 16:43 - May 21 by Ninja9 |
I do wonder what Dragan thinks of the whole Fiasco. |
By all reported accounts, he is furious. |  |
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| Utter fiasco on 18:11 - May 21 with 1211 views | PaleRider |
| Utter fiasco on 18:06 - May 21 by 1885_SFC |
By all reported accounts, he is furious. |
It would have been good leadership for him to have issued a statement - I'm afraid it's time to go! | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 18:22 - May 21 with 1184 views | Ron11 |
| Utter fiasco on 18:06 - May 21 by 1885_SFC |
By all reported accounts, he is furious. |
A bit like we were when he appointed Will Still | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:27 - May 21 with 1179 views | Joiedevivre |
| Utter fiasco on 12:38 - May 21 by saintpaz |
Don't be pedantic Matt, you know full well what we mean, which suggests what kind of person I'm talking to.
I can't believe you still think Tonda should still be in charge after tarnishing our 141 year history with his stupid bloody antics.
Wake up and smell the coffee, this is the end for Tonda and co. Get over it! |
He has not tarnished our 141 year history. A lot of this is so over the top. [Post edited 21 May 18:28]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:30 - May 21 with 1163 views | saintpaz |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:27 - May 21 by Joiedevivre |
He has not tarnished our 141 year history. A lot of this is so over the top. [Post edited 21 May 18:28]
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how is it over the top? We've been expelled after cheating and players will leave etc, hard to find sponsors, just an absolute shit show from the club, so what do you expect? [Post edited 21 May 18:31]
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| Utter fiasco on 20:01 - May 21 with 1103 views | GRIM |
| Utter fiasco on 08:20 - May 21 by MattFinish |
So imagine we’re all Manchester City fans
Pep Guardiola knows city are breaking financial rules yet keeps asking for more and more expensive players to give him a massive advantage over his rivals. How many of you would be asking for him to go? None of you
If we’d been reinstated and won the playoffs, how many would be calling for Tonda’s head? No-one
It seems everyone has got caught up in this media witch hunt against Saints
If Tonda stays and we walk promotion next season how many are going to refuse to go to games
Take a step back and chill |
Agreed.
What's happened is done, none of us can change that.
As the saying goes "you can only control the controllable ".
I'm as gutted as everybody else but I'm telling myself to get over it & think positively.
Just think if we'd played the final against Hull & lost then the severity of our punishment wouldn't look to bad, playing next season in the Championship with a
4 point deduction.
Our problem is that we care about the club & our credibility has been hammered to the extent that it could take us years to recover. | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 20:29 - May 21 with 1048 views | HytheFerrytales |
| Utter fiasco on 20:01 - May 21 by GRIM |
Agreed.
What's happened is done, none of us can change that.
As the saying goes "you can only control the controllable ".
I'm as gutted as everybody else but I'm telling myself to get over it & think positively.
Just think if we'd played the final against Hull & lost then the severity of our punishment wouldn't look to bad, playing next season in the Championship with a
4 point deduction.
Our problem is that we care about the club & our credibility has been hammered to the extent that it could take us years to recover. |
You and Matt are relying on the word "if" to do all the heavy lifting in your arguments.
Where in the wide world of sports does a bloke keep his job when he has been accused of, and admitted to, cheating by breaking the rules of the governing body.
You are painting Eckert as a loveable rogue . That is a long way off the mark. Disproportionate or not, the ruling will take the club into a very bad place...we are all Saints through and through on here (I first went to the Dell in 1960) but the idea that Eckert can stay is a logic that has sadly passed over this old geezer's head. | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 20:33 - May 21 with 1041 views | saintpaz |
| Utter fiasco on 20:29 - May 21 by HytheFerrytales |
You and Matt are relying on the word "if" to do all the heavy lifting in your arguments.
Where in the wide world of sports does a bloke keep his job when he has been accused of, and admitted to, cheating by breaking the rules of the governing body.
You are painting Eckert as a loveable rogue . That is a long way off the mark. Disproportionate or not, the ruling will take the club into a very bad place...we are all Saints through and through on here (I first went to the Dell in 1960) but the idea that Eckert can stay is a logic that has sadly passed over this old geezer's head. |
yup spot on | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 10:51 - May 23 with 901 views | kentsouthampton |
| Utter fiasco on 12:26 - May 21 by BLEEDRED |
All this talk of if the manger is sacked or not is irrelevant as the FA will ban him from managing the UK anyway.
I don't blame SR in this case, they would have no say in training or day to day running of the club.
All the analysts should be sacked as well they were carrying out the instructions of the manager knowing full well it was illegal. The only one I some sympathy for is Will Salt a youngster trying to get a career in football, he has now had his career ruined before qualifying
It will be interesting to see how the club respond, all this talk of reduced season ticket next season will just mean less income that with reduced parachute payments. No way will Saints be able to compete. Many are already thinking about not renewing next year (including me!!) So the outcome of this could end with the club spending many years in the Championship or maybe even lower. This will last for a long time.(hope Im wrong) |
n/t [Post edited 23 May 10:51]
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| Utter fiasco on 10:52 - May 23 with 899 views | kentsouthampton |
It's a strange concept...I cheated to have the chance of winning £200 million but it's proportionate to fine me 500k and still give me the chance of winning £200 million (you know that I cheated to get the chance to win). This is where the it was disproportionate bit falls down. | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 11:20 - May 23 with 866 views | kernow |
What would be proportionate for an offense of this nature in your view?
What would be proportionate for a similar offense if there were not so much at stake?
Précédent suggests the same offense, although it wasn’t considered an offense at the time, incurs a financial penalty. Is that proportionate? | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:25 - May 23 with 862 views | GasGiant |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:30 - May 21 by saintpaz |
how is it over the top? We've been expelled after cheating and players will leave etc, hard to find sponsors, just an absolute shit show from the club, so what do you expect? [Post edited 21 May 18:31]
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Because every club cheats. It's not a question of whether a club cheats or not, it's a question of how much and whether they get caught. Getting tired of people simply stating that Southampton cheated when that is no different to saying that someone breathes. Talk about the marginal benefit of cheating and proportionality. Seeing a player not training is not the same as giving him a two footed tackle on the pitch and ending his season, but you seem to think that watching him not playing is a thousand times worse than breaking his ACL on the pitch and getting one player a months ban. Proportionality - it's a long word but you'll get the hang of it. | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 11:41 - May 23 with 836 views | kentsouthampton |
| Utter fiasco on 11:20 - May 23 by kernow |
What would be proportionate for an offense of this nature in your view?
What would be proportionate for a similar offense if there were not so much at stake?
Précédent suggests the same offense, although it wasn’t considered an offense at the time, incurs a financial penalty. Is that proportionate? |
FWIW proportionality doesn't come in to it, there was no way they were going to let a club that blatantly cheated and then lied about it play in that final. | | | |
| Utter fiasco on 11:42 - May 23 with 835 views | PatfromPoole |
I honestly think that if we keep Eckert, the ground will be at best half-full for home games next season.
There is a lot of bad feeling out there. |  |
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| Utter fiasco on 11:44 - May 23 with 825 views | kentsouthampton |
| Utter fiasco on 11:42 - May 23 by PatfromPoole |
I honestly think that if we keep Eckert, the ground will be at best half-full for home games next season.
There is a lot of bad feeling out there. |
That and we will have zero sponsors. | | | |
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