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Independent Supporters Group 16:42 - Dec 3 with 18794 viewsPhil_S

OK been some discussion on this but who thinks this is the way to go

Details are really on this thread

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/forum/213237/who-is-to-blame-

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Independent Supporters Group on 17:36 - Dec 3 with 1237 viewsVetchfielder

Independent Supporters Group on 17:22 - Dec 3 by Eilian

Why not just do this via the trust? Don't you feel that you are just splitting fan power in half?


Or doubling it maybe ?

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Independent Supporters Group on 17:37 - Dec 3 with 1229 viewsJoe_bradshaw

Independent Supporters Group on 17:24 - Dec 3 by jackportis

Share Objectives and goals first then see if your group has support.


A group of people who are unhappy with the current situation meet up and discuss objectives and goals and come to an agreement of those and the way forward.

Otherwise it's just someone deciding for the group which isn't the right way forward.

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Independent Supporters Group on 17:37 - Dec 3 with 1222 viewsPhil_S

Independent Supporters Group on 17:37 - Dec 3 by Joe_bradshaw

A group of people who are unhappy with the current situation meet up and discuss objectives and goals and come to an agreement of those and the way forward.

Otherwise it's just someone deciding for the group which isn't the right way forward.


Spot on

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Independent Supporters Group on 17:38 - Dec 3 with 1216 viewsJackfath

With a bit of leg work I would virtually guarantee the new group would have more members than the Trust by the end of the first year.

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Independent Supporters Group on 17:38 - Dec 3 with 1214 viewsmax936

Count me in

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Independent Supporters Group on 17:41 - Dec 3 with 1197 viewsEilian

Independent Supporters Group on 17:38 - Dec 3 by Jackfath

With a bit of leg work I would virtually guarantee the new group would have more members than the Trust by the end of the first year.


It wouldn't take much given the trusts current numbers that's for sure!
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Independent Supporters Group on 17:41 - Dec 3 with 1188 viewsEilian

Independent Supporters Group on 17:36 - Dec 3 by Vetchfielder

Or doubling it maybe ?


or probably just undermine the trust and make it appear weak.
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Independent Supporters Group on 17:41 - Dec 3 with 1186 viewsJackfath

Independent Supporters Group on 17:41 - Dec 3 by Eilian

It wouldn't take much given the trusts current numbers that's for sure!


They've only got themselves to blame.

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Independent Supporters Group on 17:42 - Dec 3 with 1179 viewsEilian

Independent Supporters Group on 17:41 - Dec 3 by Jackfath

They've only got themselves to blame.


quite right!
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Independent Supporters Group on 17:43 - Dec 3 with 1177 viewsTheFranchise

Independent Supporters Group on 17:41 - Dec 3 by Eilian

or probably just undermine the trust and make it appear weak.


Appear weak? It is weak.
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Independent Supporters Group on 17:43 - Dec 3 with 1177 viewsTheUnion

I’m sure we can sort something out
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Independent Supporters Group on 17:45 - Dec 3 with 1155 viewsTheFranchise

Independent Supporters Group on 17:43 - Dec 3 by TheUnion

I’m sure we can sort something out


I'd rather we didn't use the name "union".
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Independent Supporters Group on 17:59 - Dec 3 with 1095 viewsRiscaJack

Maybe a stupid question, apologies if so. But if this was going to happen, could Phil head it up (he’d be my choice) while NDA’s have been signed during his time with the trust. The topics are obviously going to be discussed.

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Independent Supporters Group on 18:03 - Dec 3 with 1072 viewsEilian

This is all a great idea! I mean I 100% agree that there should be better representation and communication between the fans and the board. In fact, I strongly believe that it would be quite straightforward to increase what the Trust is currently doing by 100X. It literally could be 100X better.


I definitely think that there is a better way to go about it than this howevr.

what will you do differently this time Phill? Were you not heavily involved in the running of the trust that has shown colossal shortcomings in its ability to not only communicate with but to represent the fans?
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Independent Supporters Group on 18:05 - Dec 3 with 1066 viewsNeath_Jack

Is this going to be more of a "direct action" type group? Banners, songs, demonstrations, letting of tyres down etc?

I want a mate like Flashberryjacks, who wears a Barnsley jersey with "Swans are my second team" on the back.
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Independent Supporters Group on 18:12 - Dec 3 with 1014 viewsGaryjack

Independent Supporters Group on 18:05 - Dec 3 by Neath_Jack

Is this going to be more of a "direct action" type group? Banners, songs, demonstrations, letting of tyres down etc?


I was around Phil's earlier. Suffice to say, i think he's been planning this for some time.

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Independent Supporters Group on 18:20 - Dec 3 with 984 viewsNeath_Jack

Independent Supporters Group on 18:12 - Dec 3 by Garyjack

I was around Phil's earlier. Suffice to say, i think he's been planning this for some time.



I'm IN as long as i can have the .50 cal please.

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Independent Supporters Group on 18:21 - Dec 3 with 976 viewsSmellyplumz

I don't see the point personally we are fůcked what ever we do. Yanks don't care.

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Independent Supporters Group on 18:24 - Dec 3 with 960 viewsBillyChong

Might as well give it a go seeing as the trust no longer seem to be the voice of the fans
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Independent Supporters Group on 18:30 - Dec 3 with 921 viewslonglostjack

Independent Supporters Group on 18:21 - Dec 3 by Smellyplumz

I don't see the point personally we are fůcked what ever we do. Yanks don't care.


That's the spirit

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Independent Supporters Group on 18:32 - Dec 3 with 905 viewsRiscaJack

Independent Supporters Group on 18:21 - Dec 3 by Smellyplumz

I don't see the point personally we are fůcked what ever we do. Yanks don't care.


If they said that during the Petty days you wouldn’t have had seven years in premier league, league cup win and uefa cup run.

In the words of S Gerrard, we go again.

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Independent Supporters Group on 18:33 - Dec 3 with 897 viewsJackfath

Independent Supporters Group on 18:21 - Dec 3 by Smellyplumz

I don't see the point personally we are fůcked what ever we do. Yanks don't care.


ARe you as negative in real life as you are on here?

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Independent Supporters Group on 18:37 - Dec 3 with 877 viewsSTID2017

Independent Supporters Group on 18:33 - Dec 3 by Jackfath

ARe you as negative in real life as you are on here?


And I bet he always leaves before the end ....
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Independent Supporters Group on 18:50 - Dec 3 with 818 viewsSwanLuke

Independent Supporters Group on 17:31 - Dec 3 by Swanjaxs

Will make a call now and try and set this up


I actually feel a bit of positivity tonight. We know the core supporters will always be there and fight for the club we love.
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Independent Supporters Group on 18:57 - Dec 3 with 780 viewsmonmouth

My gut feeling is that it has to be connected in some way to the Trust as otherwise what is the Trust for? That is, the Supporters Trust and the Supporters surely should have aligned objectives.

I totally get that it could be a militant wing that is not controlled by the Trust, could be much more vocal, and in fact can be a vehicle to keep the Trust 'honest' (can't think of a better word), but I can't see how they could have differing broad objectives. Otherwise what happens when the supporters trust disagrees with the supporters group or vice versa? Both must implicitly support each others activities even if there is no explicit public confirmation, or both grous will end up fighting each other rather than looking after the interests of supporters against the common 'enemy' (couldn't think of a better word).

Actually that idea of keeping the Trust from going 'native' (can't think of a better word) is getting more appealing by the second, as if this second group was to grow and the Trust Board was letting us down, then we all join the Trust and take it over, by voting all the 'natives' off. So I'm back to thinking there has to be a complicit agreement, even if the Trust can't or won't state that publicly.

Just stream-of-consciousness musing, sorry. That's a long winded way of saying yes, a group that can maybe do what the trust can't, and is not constrained by form over substance, in principle has my support.

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