| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard 08:51 - Oct 25 with 3502 views | trampie |
I remember posting on an old rugby site a dozen years or so ago and on the political section 7 or 8 regulars used to challenge me on what they thought were far left views, I regarded my views as centre, centre left and their views as Tory right wing, then coinciding with an election there was an online questionnaire that would tell you what parties in 1,2,3 order best suited your views, I was impressed because I came out as I expected, at the time I think it was Plaid 1, Greens 2 and SDLP 3
So I told the others to have a go and they were all either Labour, Labour but considering voting Lib-Dem being life long Labour or no political allegiance and just like I thought in every single case they came out as a mix of Conservatives, UKIP and Ulster unionists, they were Tories who thought they were Labour and I see that today on sites like this but now they are more likely to realise and admit they are Tories.
Socialist policies in years gone by leading to people going to universities and living longer combined with having mortgages has resulted in people becoming more Tory, there doesn't seem to be an end in sight if the UK remains as it is, but if it breaks up then Scotland and Wales might well get away from perpetual Tory rule. [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 9:53]
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 16:04 - Oct 26 with 663 views | Highjack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:19 - Oct 26 by onehunglow |
Oh I dunno,late 70s under Sunny Jim were grim. Grim enough to see Thatcher win in a landslide and win 2 further elections. Not all the country thought she was a callous bitch;to many she was a heroine the likes of which we need today,especially as regards EU .
Thatcher would enforce brexit by now which is what the majority in former morning areas wanted;an inescapable fact which shows just how bizarre politics is in this land and the folly of aligning to just one party for all your life. |
She was broadly pro EU for most of her life when it was just a trading area etc, it was when they started demanding the handing over of powers away from Parliament she baulked and started to rail against it. That’s broadly where a lot of brexiteers sit. It’s not some right wing jingoistic, foreigner hating isolationist ideal for most leave voters that the media love to peddle. It was that major constitutional change was constantly pushed through with Maastricht, Lisbon etc and despite numerous governments across the continent promising referendums on the issue they never materialised, and on the rare occasions they did they were ignored or made to vote again until they voted the ‘correct’ way.
The Brexit issue has always transcended the traditional notions of left and right, or labour vs Tory. The issue of Europe has ultimately been the downfall of at least three of the last four Tory prime ministers, it could easily claim Boris too, although noticeably he’s the only one who’s actually “supported” Brexit and he’s won a massive majority. The issue has destroyed Swinson, Corbyn, and everyone involved in that Change U.K. and people’s vote bollocks. Even those that are staunchly remain usually prefix their arguments with “I don’t like the EU but...” or something along that line or they simply argue for remain and reform. |  |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 16:24 - Oct 26 with 652 views | controversial_jack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 14:13 - Oct 26 by onehunglow |
Really. What was it then that saw the people vote for Thatcher en masse,apart form Wales ,of course. Do you not remember our car industry killing itself.?
24% inflation and a country destroying itself [Post edited 26 Oct 2020 14:16]
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Inflaton wasn't caused by Labour policies it was caused by high oil prices because of the oil Embargo by Opec |  | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 16:42 - Oct 26 with 644 views | raynor94 |
The Winter of discontent, allowed Maggie in. |  |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:15 - Oct 26 with 641 views | onehunglow |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 16:24 - Oct 26 by controversial_jack |
Inflaton wasn't caused by Labour policies it was caused by high oil prices because of the oil Embargo by Opec |
Not entirely.
The socila fabric was already disintergrating and that had nowt to do with cum tories.
Not all the ills of this country are borne out of Tories. Iraq war a a classic.
Also ,it was Labou rwho sent the troops into Northern Island to be butchered then hung out to dry | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:59 - Oct 26 with 629 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 14:10 - Oct 26 by controversial_jack |
Isolationism, and then what? |
Isolationism wouldn't make for a very prosperous country. That's another throw away comment used to condemn people who have a different opinion.
I know there will be some but the people I know who were leave never backed closing the gates and locking us away from the world. Most of us wanted a more global Britain that dealt as many countries as possible in free trade deals. Wr also wanted a country in control of it;s own borders, the two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.
A strong, safe border with sensible immigration rules (meaning we can kick out criminals more easily, stop them coming in the first place being better) but a country that trades globally and doesn't use protectionist policies like the EU that are harmful to third world countries. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 19:34 - Oct 26 with 608 views | majorraglan |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 16:42 - Oct 26 by raynor94 |
The Winter of discontent, allowed Maggie in. |
Definitely. People had had a guts full and her campaign “Britains not working” campaign with the line of unemployed people really resonated - unemployment went up after she was elected! She became deeply unpopular after being elected, but the Falklands changed all that. | | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 19:53 - Oct 26 with 594 views | Highjack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 19:34 - Oct 26 by majorraglan |
Definitely. People had had a guts full and her campaign “Britains not working” campaign with the line of unemployed people really resonated - unemployment went up after she was elected! She became deeply unpopular after being elected, but the Falklands changed all that. |
Her vote percentage actually went down in 83. It was the SDP splitting the labour vote that gave her the landslide, not too dissimilar to the Brexit party taking labour votes in 2019. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 20:30 - Oct 26 with 581 views | jack_lord |
On the political compass chart I am Ghandi |  |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 20:36 - Oct 26 with 577 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 14:10 - Oct 26 by controversial_jack |
Isolationism, and then what? |
Can you explain what is wrong with some isolationism for the USA?
They are self sufficent and need nothing from the rest of the world.
They will continue to trade as they do now, but their home market will revert to mostly made in USA goods, which in comparison to the crap coming out of China can't be anything but a good thing. | | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 20:39 - Oct 26 with 575 views | Highjack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 20:30 - Oct 26 by jack_lord |
On the political compass chart I am Ghandi |
I’m the Dalai Lama. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 21:55 - Oct 26 with 559 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 20:36 - Oct 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
Can you explain what is wrong with some isolationism for the USA?
They are self sufficent and need nothing from the rest of the world.
They will continue to trade as they do now, but their home market will revert to mostly made in USA goods, which in comparison to the crap coming out of China can't be anything but a good thing. |
The crap coming out of China, like those dodgy covid test kits! | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 22:04 - Oct 26 with 557 views | controversial_jack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:15 - Oct 26 by onehunglow |
Not entirely.
The socila fabric was already disintergrating and that had nowt to do with cum tories.
Not all the ills of this country are borne out of Tories. Iraq war a a classic.
Also ,it was Labou rwho sent the troops into Northern Island to be butchered then hung out to dry |
Opec restricted oil supplies to the west in retaliation for their supporting Israel in the 1973 war.Oil prices went up, which sent inflation up. Interest rates then went to check inflation The US ambassador persuaded the Saudi king to resume full production again.
Production rose, oil prices came down, inflation and interest rates returned to normal.Thatcher claimed credit and also blamed Excess spending on the welfare state for what happened.
It was a massive deception, which the British people fell for. | | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 22:35 - Oct 26 with 551 views | raynor94 |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 22:04 - Oct 26 by controversial_jack |
Opec restricted oil supplies to the west in retaliation for their supporting Israel in the 1973 war.Oil prices went up, which sent inflation up. Interest rates then went to check inflation The US ambassador persuaded the Saudi king to resume full production again.
Production rose, oil prices came down, inflation and interest rates returned to normal.Thatcher claimed credit and also blamed Excess spending on the welfare state for what happened.
It was a massive deception, which the British people fell for. |
The embargo happened in 1973 /1974, Maggie didn't become PM until 1979 | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 07:09 - Oct 27 with 528 views | trampie |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 22:35 - Oct 26 by raynor94 |
The embargo happened in 1973 /1974, Maggie didn't become PM until 1979 |
Thatcher had been an MP since 1959 and was a cabinet minister at the time of the OPEC crisis no doubt she had an opinion on the matter. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 08:42 - Oct 27 with 513 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 07:09 - Oct 27 by trampie |
Thatcher had been an MP since 1959 and was a cabinet minister at the time of the OPEC crisis no doubt she had an opinion on the matter. |
She probably did have an opinion but she was minister for education and science. She might have had her say but she wouldn't have made decisions.
It turned out she wasn't even really the milk snatcher, she was forced into it by the treasury, according to cabinet papers.
You can be the minister and still not be in charge! | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 08:46 - Oct 27 with 510 views | trampie |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 08:42 - Oct 27 by Catullus |
She probably did have an opinion but she was minister for education and science. She might have had her say but she wouldn't have made decisions.
It turned out she wasn't even really the milk snatcher, she was forced into it by the treasury, according to cabinet papers.
You can be the minister and still not be in charge! |
Why didn't she resign ? | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 08:54 - Oct 27 with 502 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 08:46 - Oct 27 by trampie |
Why didn't she resign ? |
Apparently you aren't the only one who wondered that but the quote given is "Don't underestimate me, I saw how they broke Keith Joseph but they won't break me"
The Iron Lady eh! | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 08:58 - Oct 27 with 500 views | trampie |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 08:54 - Oct 27 by Catullus |
Apparently you aren't the only one who wondered that but the quote given is "Don't underestimate me, I saw how they broke Keith Joseph but they won't break me"
The Iron Lady eh! |
A sign of weakness, another was Gwynfor 1 Thatcher 0 remember that u turn. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 09:30 - Oct 27 with 495 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 08:58 - Oct 27 by trampie |
A sign of weakness, another was Gwynfor 1 Thatcher 0 remember that u turn. |
No I don't. I was 23 when she "finished" as PM and not at all interested in politics beyond a young persons ideologogical hatred of Tories and yes, the English too. Back then I was all for Welsh independence and would vote Labour without a thought.
That's why I doubt Kilk's opinion that the young will carry us to indy and a return to the EU. I was all for indy without any understanding of what it really meant, what the effects would be or even how it would come about.
All I really cared about back then was football and having fun. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 03:33 - Oct 28 with 459 views | NotLoyal |
Hey Trampie, don’t tell Steve Cooper he will sign them all up. |  |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:12 - Oct 28 with 430 views | controversial_jack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 22:35 - Oct 26 by raynor94 |
The embargo happened in 1973 /1974, Maggie didn't become PM until 1979 |
Yes i know, but it took time to take effect | | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:17 - Oct 28 with 426 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:12 - Oct 28 by controversial_jack |
Yes i know, but it took time to take effect |
Oil embargoes don;t take years to take effect. If Saudi stopped pumping oil the price would rise the next day. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:20 - Oct 28 with 422 views | onehunglow |
Opec did not destroy our car industy | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:23 - Oct 28 with 422 views | raynor94 |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:12 - Oct 28 by controversial_jack |
Yes i know, but it took time to take effect |
No it didn't, the effect of the embargo was over by the end of 1975 | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:26 - Oct 28 with 422 views | chad |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:12 - Oct 28 by controversial_jack |
Yes i know, but it took time to take effect |
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