| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? 09:53 - Dec 13 with 33365 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The actions of Governments all over the world are shaped on the basis of the PCR COVID test results.
For months now there have been serious question marks over the accuracy of the tests.
Well now there is a definitive study on the original research and it's world wide adoption which is totally condemning.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/
This does not decry the deaths that occur with COVID-19, but there are also many questions over the counting of them as well. |  | | |  |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:10 - Dec 17 with 1253 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:49 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
Ahh Sweden the exemplar of how to handle a Pandemic if you are a covidiot. Ignoring their vastly higher death rate to comparable Scandinavian countries. Their King isn't too impressed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wor
The "viable" virus argument merely proves that they have been infected. It's a moot point. He has absolutely said there is a very small element of unreliability - in fact that false negatives are more likely than false positives.
Well the quacks I mentioned are quacks. There isn't a suitably qualified person amongst them. I notice Carl Heneghan has gone a little quiet too, he probably has all the evidence he needs to realise he was wrong.
Trump wasn't treated with HCQ. I think we'd know about it if he was. I think he would have insisted on it if he'd been able too. Not forgetting you have posted several links (with the aim of proving something else) that say it doesn't work, because It doesn't work. Didn't you originally say it's effectiveness was suppressed by Gilead in favour of Remdesivir? Well seeing as that is not effective what would be the point?
I find it hard to believe that India that have prescribed that concoction to many of their Covid patients, certainly not enough to impact their death stats. Firstly in a country of nearly 1.5 billion, many living in abject poverty and in crowded slum conditions, the cases are probably massively under recorded. Similarly with deaths. Studies have been very small and have recently concluded, so what about the Covid deaths before this point? It is also not part of the national protocol. I'd love it to be very effective but the evidence clearly isn't there to make that claim.
The UK quacks that have shown there is very little benefit to vitamin D may be on to something as the largest study so far to consider it, involving no less than 1.4 million people shows there is marginal benefit to vitamin supplementation (and not to vitamin d) which may be attributable to a generally healthy standard of living .
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post
Lets see how the German PCR legal case goes, but seeing as nobody has ever said it was 100% accurate it wouldn't surprise me if it is successful. What would this prove? That it isn't 100% accurate. Excellent. But is it the most accurate test we have? Yes. Are there 1000's of otherwise healthy people dying? Yes. Are the hospitals vastly overstretched? Yes.
Theres nothing Ad Hominem about this or other arguments. You just post very poor science, written by very poor scientists. You are very easily impressed when you want to be. |
It is no good you trying denegrate Sweden, that was about the guy that couldn't get their daily mortality correct, it couldn't have been much simpler. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:14 - Dec 17 with 1249 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:22 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
We all looked at that chart and concentrated on the April peak compared to now.
It has been pointed out that we should also look at winter of 1999 and the other year higher than April this year. |
It’s probably also been pointed out somewhere that it’s not the peak but the area under the peak that’s the important bit.
Oh, and that this year’s peak was with the entire country locked down in some way or another for 10 months now.
Dear God, | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:16 - Dec 17 with 1247 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:09 - Dec 17 by londonlisa2001 |
You know you’re talking to yourself right? |
I think he just broke himself 
Has anyone else ever unintentionally posted on here about how wrong they are? | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:26 - Dec 17 with 1239 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:05 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Since when was a survey a clinical study and you have the nerve to talk about science.
Just like all your other answers you give they do not compare to real scientific & medical data.
But they are good enough for you. |
It's a "survey" that's been submitted for peer review prior to publication. So let's see how that goes. It's also a survey of 1.4 million people, the famous Spanish Vitamin D study that anti lockdown people frequently mention had just 0.3% of the participants, but of course that one is correct.
Lets be fair, it's Nobel prize winning science when compared to some of your stuff. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:44 - Dec 17 with 1234 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:14 - Dec 17 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s probably also been pointed out somewhere that it’s not the peak but the area under the peak that’s the important bit.
Oh, and that this year’s peak was with the entire country locked down in some way or another for 10 months now.
Dear God, |
Remind us all again when the peak was and when the first actual lockdown started.
What do you think the area under the peak in the winter of 1999 looked like?
Your decision making on COVID has been pretty crap from day one, backing the wrong experts and then your famous "every country will end up with the same mortality rate" comment.
How well is that working out for you, oh it isn't is it? | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:56 - Dec 17 with 1226 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:44 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Remind us all again when the peak was and when the first actual lockdown started.
What do you think the area under the peak in the winter of 1999 looked like?
Your decision making on COVID has been pretty crap from day one, backing the wrong experts and then your famous "every country will end up with the same mortality rate" comment.
How well is that working out for you, oh it isn't is it? |
The peak is approximately April 15th, I think the first lockdown began mid March.
So as it is usually at least 3 weeks from infection to death then it is pretty conclusive that lockdown saved lives.
There was no lockdown in 1999 so there is no comparison to 2020. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:05 - Dec 17 with 1221 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:56 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
The peak is approximately April 15th, I think the first lockdown began mid March.
So as it is usually at least 3 weeks from infection to death then it is pretty conclusive that lockdown saved lives.
There was no lockdown in 1999 so there is no comparison to 2020. |
The actual lockdown came in to effect on the 26th of March.
Of course there have never been lockdowns before, they relied on vaccines remember. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:38 - Dec 17 with 1212 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:05 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
The actual lockdown came in to effect on the 26th of March.
Of course there have never been lockdowns before, they relied on vaccines remember. |
I’ve been working from home since 23 March and am pretty fed up of it, been told that we won’t be back in the office until at least April 1st. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:51 - Dec 17 with 1209 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:05 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
The actual lockdown came in to effect on the 26th of March.
Of course there have never been lockdowns before, they relied on vaccines remember. |
Except for when they didn't have vaccines, so any time before 1796. And of course any illness that a vaccine had to be developed for because it isn't a quick process.
Not forgetting the March lockdown isn't still going. The rules have been changed several times since. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:26 - Dec 17 with 1201 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:51 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
Except for when they didn't have vaccines, so any time before 1796. And of course any illness that a vaccine had to be developed for because it isn't a quick process.
Not forgetting the March lockdown isn't still going. The rules have been changed several times since. |
You are correct, the lockdown has been on & off ever since then at different levels.
I was only referring to the years on that chart for the vaccine comment. [Post edited 17 Dec 2020 17:27]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:21 - Dec 17 with 1184 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:45 - Dec 16 by Andy1300 |
Not true, 70 on 25 Nov but most days are a lot lower, certainly nowhere around the 100 a day spouted by our resident expert.
As a percentage, infections are a lot lower than they were in the spring. |
23 in Sweden today, 50 odd in Wales, over 600 in the UK, no doubt the Prof and the other believe what ever the media tells them merchants will be along later with the conclusion that Sweden are a nation of Schizophrenics so there daily death rates must be double than what is being reported. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:32 - Dec 17 with 1176 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:49 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
Ahh Sweden the exemplar of how to handle a Pandemic if you are a covidiot. Ignoring their vastly higher death rate to comparable Scandinavian countries. Their King isn't too impressed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wor
The "viable" virus argument merely proves that they have been infected. It's a moot point. He has absolutely said there is a very small element of unreliability - in fact that false negatives are more likely than false positives.
Well the quacks I mentioned are quacks. There isn't a suitably qualified person amongst them. I notice Carl Heneghan has gone a little quiet too, he probably has all the evidence he needs to realise he was wrong.
Trump wasn't treated with HCQ. I think we'd know about it if he was. I think he would have insisted on it if he'd been able too. Not forgetting you have posted several links (with the aim of proving something else) that say it doesn't work, because It doesn't work. Didn't you originally say it's effectiveness was suppressed by Gilead in favour of Remdesivir? Well seeing as that is not effective what would be the point?
I find it hard to believe that India that have prescribed that concoction to many of their Covid patients, certainly not enough to impact their death stats. Firstly in a country of nearly 1.5 billion, many living in abject poverty and in crowded slum conditions, the cases are probably massively under recorded. Similarly with deaths. Studies have been very small and have recently concluded, so what about the Covid deaths before this point? It is also not part of the national protocol. I'd love it to be very effective but the evidence clearly isn't there to make that claim.
The UK quacks that have shown there is very little benefit to vitamin D may be on to something as the largest study so far to consider it, involving no less than 1.4 million people shows there is marginal benefit to vitamin supplementation (and not to vitamin d) which may be attributable to a generally healthy standard of living .
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post
Lets see how the German PCR legal case goes, but seeing as nobody has ever said it was 100% accurate it wouldn't surprise me if it is successful. What would this prove? That it isn't 100% accurate. Excellent. But is it the most accurate test we have? Yes. Are there 1000's of otherwise healthy people dying? Yes. Are the hospitals vastly overstretched? Yes.
Theres nothing Ad Hominem about this or other arguments. You just post very poor science, written by very poor scientists. You are very easily impressed when you want to be. |
Why have you forgotten to mention there neighbors are smaller countries with far lower population, they shut down lost thousands of jobs, and there normal medical care suffered meaning a far higher number of deaths for other illness, you also forgot to mention the Swedes continued normal medical care, probably saving a vast more amount of lives that have been lost to the Covid, saying that you probably did not forget more the case of statistics like that not even registering in your mindset. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:44 - Dec 17 with 1168 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:32 - Dec 17 by shingle |
Why have you forgotten to mention there neighbors are smaller countries with far lower population, they shut down lost thousands of jobs, and there normal medical care suffered meaning a far higher number of deaths for other illness, you also forgot to mention the Swedes continued normal medical care, probably saving a vast more amount of lives that have been lost to the Covid, saying that you probably did not forget more the case of statistics like that not even registering in your mindset. |
I'd have thought the King of Sweden knows a bit more about it than either of us.
We're continuing normal health care now.
I'm not a fan of lockdown. I want the minimum amount of restrictions to control the virus. We are in such a mess that has to be lockdown unfortunately. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:54 - Dec 17 with 1167 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:44 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
I'd have thought the King of Sweden knows a bit more about it than either of us.
We're continuing normal health care now.
I'm not a fan of lockdown. I want the minimum amount of restrictions to control the virus. We are in such a mess that has to be lockdown unfortunately. |
Classic appeal to authority.
Of course the King knows best. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:56 - Dec 17 with 1167 views | controversial_jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 07:40 - Dec 17 by Andy1300 |
Getting really fed up of every man and their dog telling us to wash hands, wear a mask and keep away from others.
Humans are social creatures and it goes against everything we are!
Several nurses in morriston hospital who recently had the jab have now tested positive, you couldn’t make it up. |
They have only had it a week ago, give it chance to work
We have to be constantly told these things because we don't do them
Yes we are social, but we can't right now, so sorry for the inconvenience. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:14 - Dec 17 with 1144 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:54 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Classic appeal to authority.
Of course the King knows best. |
It's deferring to those with better knowledge of a situation. I've never been to Sweden, I assume the King of Sweden has. He's probably spent most of this year there?
A head of state has apologised for the controversial way they've handled the pandemic. It's quite refreshing really.
Of course if you think you understand the situation in Sweden better than him feel free to tell him he's wrong. Perhaps you can find a plumber or architect who knows better? | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:25 - Dec 17 with 1136 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:44 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
I'd have thought the King of Sweden knows a bit more about it than either of us.
We're continuing normal health care now.
I'm not a fan of lockdown. I want the minimum amount of restrictions to control the virus. We are in such a mess that has to be lockdown unfortunately. |
Point by point,
Yes
No we aren't, elective suregry and face to face appointments are being cancelled
Yes. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:33 - Dec 17 with 1131 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:25 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
Point by point,
Yes
No we aren't, elective suregry and face to face appointments are being cancelled
Yes. |
Fair point on the health care.
That's as bad as it has got. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:35 - Dec 17 with 1128 views | Boundy |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:25 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
Point by point,
Yes
No we aren't, elective suregry and face to face appointments are being cancelled
Yes. |
I've just spent an afternoon at Morriston Hospital SBMU , being checked over because I had some issues after my recent operation. Firstly I must say the care was wonderful , but the main point is the're still carrying out triage and admitting patients for minor surgery. The problem they have is there's no beds available even for those lucky enough to have only to stay for a overnight .That's not to say the whole lot won't come crashing down at some point god forbid. | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:40 - Dec 17 with 1124 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:14 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
It's deferring to those with better knowledge of a situation. I've never been to Sweden, I assume the King of Sweden has. He's probably spent most of this year there?
A head of state has apologised for the controversial way they've handled the pandemic. It's quite refreshing really.
Of course if you think you understand the situation in Sweden better than him feel free to tell him he's wrong. Perhaps you can find a plumber or architect who knows better? |
What, you are are supporting a non expert, non scientist, non medical person.
Is his opinion Peer reviewed?
How many papers has he written?
Aren't you feeling very well?
It was only a few weeks ago practically the whole world was saying that Sweden had it right and the rest of Europe and the US had it wrong.
Of course I have been against Sweden's approach from the start, as you would know if your memory was any use.
Like I said up thread, this is not about Sweden, it is about some guy not being able to get their mortality rate correct and then disappearing when called on it. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:44 - Dec 17 with 1123 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:40 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
What, you are are supporting a non expert, non scientist, non medical person.
Is his opinion Peer reviewed?
How many papers has he written?
Aren't you feeling very well?
It was only a few weeks ago practically the whole world was saying that Sweden had it right and the rest of Europe and the US had it wrong.
Of course I have been against Sweden's approach from the start, as you would know if your memory was any use.
Like I said up thread, this is not about Sweden, it is about some guy not being able to get their mortality rate correct and then disappearing when called on it. |
Everyone makes mistakes, like the person who answered his own post telling himself he is wrong! | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:48 - Dec 17 with 1122 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:40 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
What, you are are supporting a non expert, non scientist, non medical person.
Is his opinion Peer reviewed?
How many papers has he written?
Aren't you feeling very well?
It was only a few weeks ago practically the whole world was saying that Sweden had it right and the rest of Europe and the US had it wrong.
Of course I have been against Sweden's approach from the start, as you would know if your memory was any use.
Like I said up thread, this is not about Sweden, it is about some guy not being able to get their mortality rate correct and then disappearing when called on it. |
It's an opinion. Not a scientific statement. But I'd like to think the King of Sweden is an expert on Sweden. Far more so than you or I.
Your whole world may have been saying Sweden were correct, not many others were. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:17 - Dec 17 with 1108 views | majorraglan |
Unfortunately the trajectory is still very much upwards. Been reading this guy’s twitter feed and he raises some interesting points. The positive rate of testing is quite concerning as is the decreasing number of intensive care beds.
BBC reporting 1.6% of NHS staff are on sick with a further 2.6% Self Isolating which is concerning, especially if most of them are front line staff.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sta
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
I’d hoped the firebreak in October would have put the brakes on, but any gains have been lost and we are the worst area of the country. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:05 - Dec 18 with 1058 views | Neath_Jack |
Speaking to one of the local health board medical directors yesterday, and he was telling me that one day this week, there were only 10, that is TEN, critical care beds available in the whole of Wales.
Don't worry though, it's a fake virus / not as bad as flu /worldwide government conspiracy theory to control you.
What would a medical director know about it eh.
State of some of you people aye. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:56 - Dec 18 with 1047 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:05 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
Speaking to one of the local health board medical directors yesterday, and he was telling me that one day this week, there were only 10, that is TEN, critical care beds available in the whole of Wales.
Don't worry though, it's a fake virus / not as bad as flu /worldwide government conspiracy theory to control you.
What would a medical director know about it eh.
State of some of you people aye. |
I heard similar. The majority of those are in North Wales.
My mate who works in Morriston ITU has also advised that the gym we go to closes, not because it doesn't follow the rules but because they are bursting at the seams. It closed on Tuesday.
The Zoe app is saying there are 6000 active symptomatic cases in Swansea at the moment. That could turn in to about 300 people in hospital and 60 deaths. | | | |
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