| Home Rule 10:49 - Feb 28 with 18873 views | Catullus |
Drakeford wants it, devo max, go Federal, whatever you want to call it. His speech said a lot but was very light on detail. It was full of optimistic generalisations without saying much at all.
It is obvious now why the Labour party wanted to give the vote to 16/17 year olds, they are targettting them at the next election with this home rule demand because they know young people are more likley to support it, or independence.
This change in the voting laws was nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with tilting the vote in their favour but maybe it'll backfire and those youngsters will vote Plaid?
That aside, whn will we hear details? When will Drakeford give us the opportunity to weight up his plans?
He has also said more than once he won't serve a full term if he wins, that most likely means we'll have Gething foisted on us...from frying pan into the fire then. Can we vote for a party when we know the leader isn't interested in doing the term? Certainly people didn't like it when we had Bojo foisted on us, plenty said we didn'tvote for him and said it wasn't democratic. |  |
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| Home Rule on 12:33 - Mar 12 with 916 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 19:21 - Mar 11 by Scotia |
I'm just a little surprised that the Plaid Cymru health spokesman has replied so quickly (less than 24hrs) to a member of the public who isn't even a constituent, and with a bespoke email rather than a generic one from their assistant.
Especially as it seems to be completely opposite to the stance he took live on the BBC.
That sounds like you are describing Arlene Foster in the first part of the last paragraph and Drakeford in the second. It's no excuse not to have a plan. |
OK, I have just now emailed Mr Ap Iorwerth and asked if he minds my sharing any response. If or when he responds I shall post the reply.
I also gave him the link to this thread! | |
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| Home Rule on 13:08 - Mar 12 with 899 views | exhmrc1 |
| Home Rule on 10:45 - Mar 12 by onehunglow |
We see perfect examples of narrow valley minded thinging here.
What happens in these valleys is none existent on the grand scheme of things that is Great Britain. Wales too is pretty irrelevant to those east of the Dyke -no sexual refence there -
People in these valley needs to get out and join the rest of us and try to ensure this great country improves and moves forward.Forward being the word.
This debate is now Wales v England it's shaming.
I'm surprised the Indy's have drawn ROI into matters seeing they are their freedom fighting heroes.
Death is Death and it s not really a subject to brag about |
This isnt about Wales v England. It is about the policies of the 2 governments and the way their policies have affected each country. It isnt fair on the people of England that because of the buffoon in Westminster they have been having higher daily new cases on a regular basis over the last 8 months than we have in Wales.
Even you with your anti Welsh views should be concerned at that. This isnt England knocking it is the knocking of a government that lets its people down.
Do you remember someone saying this would be over by Christmas and in response another leader said that was highly over optimistic. The same guy who said it would be gone by Christmas is now saying it will be gone by same date in July. Yet there is absolutely no evidence that will happen and his own advisers doubt it will happen. It will be great if this is gone by July but giving people false hope is totally irresponsible. | | | |
| Home Rule on 13:27 - Mar 12 with 888 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Home Rule on 13:08 - Mar 12 by exhmrc1 |
This isnt about Wales v England. It is about the policies of the 2 governments and the way their policies have affected each country. It isnt fair on the people of England that because of the buffoon in Westminster they have been having higher daily new cases on a regular basis over the last 8 months than we have in Wales.
Even you with your anti Welsh views should be concerned at that. This isnt England knocking it is the knocking of a government that lets its people down.
Do you remember someone saying this would be over by Christmas and in response another leader said that was highly over optimistic. The same guy who said it would be gone by Christmas is now saying it will be gone by same date in July. Yet there is absolutely no evidence that will happen and his own advisers doubt it will happen. It will be great if this is gone by July but giving people false hope is totally irresponsible. |
I do remember Drakeford saying a two week lockdown was all that was needed. | |
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| Home Rule on 13:47 - Mar 12 with 894 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 13:08 - Mar 12 by exhmrc1 |
This isnt about Wales v England. It is about the policies of the 2 governments and the way their policies have affected each country. It isnt fair on the people of England that because of the buffoon in Westminster they have been having higher daily new cases on a regular basis over the last 8 months than we have in Wales.
Even you with your anti Welsh views should be concerned at that. This isnt England knocking it is the knocking of a government that lets its people down.
Do you remember someone saying this would be over by Christmas and in response another leader said that was highly over optimistic. The same guy who said it would be gone by Christmas is now saying it will be gone by same date in July. Yet there is absolutely no evidence that will happen and his own advisers doubt it will happen. It will be great if this is gone by July but giving people false hope is totally irresponsible. |
anti Welsh views.
Just how insecure are you not to tolerate opinions that challenge and mine will.
You are so far removed from what urban welsh people its amazing..
I will admit however ,reading the unfettered hate from you,tramp and killy,I most certainly am not the chest beating Welshman I was.
You shame the nation,your nation. | |
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| Home Rule on 14:17 - Mar 12 with 886 views | exhmrc1 |
| Home Rule on 13:47 - Mar 12 by onehunglow |
anti Welsh views.
Just how insecure are you not to tolerate opinions that challenge and mine will.
You are so far removed from what urban welsh people its amazing..
I will admit however ,reading the unfettered hate from you,tramp and killy,I most certainly am not the chest beating Welshman I was.
You shame the nation,your nation. |
No I dont. It isn't me who criticised Swansea, The valleys, Neath, the Welsh language etc was it. You did. I support my country. You constantly criticise it and that is clearly to be seen from your posts on here.
My thinking is my own. Nothing to do with anybody else although you might like to know over 55% are backing the policies of the Welsh Government as shown in a recent poll. | | | |
| Home Rule on 14:46 - Mar 12 with 878 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 14:17 - Mar 12 by exhmrc1 |
No I dont. It isn't me who criticised Swansea, The valleys, Neath, the Welsh language etc was it. You did. I support my country. You constantly criticise it and that is clearly to be seen from your posts on here.
My thinking is my own. Nothing to do with anybody else although you might like to know over 55% are backing the policies of the Welsh Government as shown in a recent poll. |
I can't find the poll you mention,unless it's this one and they just haven't mentioned your stat,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
Support for Indy is 14%, that's a lot lower than Kilky says and support for abolish is still the higher number. An earlier poll isn't exactly great for Labour.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Where did you get the 55% from, links are always handy. | |
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| Home Rule on 15:07 - Mar 12 with 868 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 14:17 - Mar 12 by exhmrc1 |
No I dont. It isn't me who criticised Swansea, The valleys, Neath, the Welsh language etc was it. You did. I support my country. You constantly criticise it and that is clearly to be seen from your posts on here.
My thinking is my own. Nothing to do with anybody else although you might like to know over 55% are backing the policies of the Welsh Government as shown in a recent poll. |
Why would your country need "support".
What does that entail.
Elaborate if you would,then ask why you are engaging with me in English .
My country is the one that is shown on my passport and that is good enough for me.
You suffer from gross insecurity and it's a trait that Wale is renowned for. Mssive inferiority complex which has to be compensated for by hate speech which we see from you ,killy,tramp and now sadly Builth .
A country is just that. Not individual.
Countries have gone to war and seen mass laughter because people like you feel insulted or outraged that their country is "under attack"
Germans were very proud of their country in the 30s not to mention the glorious killing machine of Japan. It ended badly. | |
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| Home Rule on 15:12 - Mar 12 with 861 views | trampie |
| Home Rule on 15:07 - Mar 12 by onehunglow |
Why would your country need "support".
What does that entail.
Elaborate if you would,then ask why you are engaging with me in English .
My country is the one that is shown on my passport and that is good enough for me.
You suffer from gross insecurity and it's a trait that Wale is renowned for. Mssive inferiority complex which has to be compensated for by hate speech which we see from you ,killy,tramp and now sadly Builth .
A country is just that. Not individual.
Countries have gone to war and seen mass laughter because people like you feel insulted or outraged that their country is "under attack"
Germans were very proud of their country in the 30s not to mention the glorious killing machine of Japan. It ended badly. |
Hi Perch was your first wife English or Welsh ? |  |
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| Home Rule on 15:13 - Mar 12 with 861 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 19:21 - Mar 11 by Scotia |
I'm just a little surprised that the Plaid Cymru health spokesman has replied so quickly (less than 24hrs) to a member of the public who isn't even a constituent, and with a bespoke email rather than a generic one from their assistant.
Especially as it seems to be completely opposite to the stance he took live on the BBC.
That sounds like you are describing Arlene Foster in the first part of the last paragraph and Drakeford in the second. It's no excuse not to have a plan. |
Be surprised no more, Mr Ap Iorwrth has responded to me and it took less than 3 hours, here is what he said,
Thank you for your email. I’m happy to respond.
The current policy is ‘stay at home’ rather than stay local, but today it was announced by Welsh Government (not the Senedd) that we’ll be moving to ‘stay local’ regulations. This is something I’ve been encouraging, as we’ve seen case numbers and positivity rates drop over recent weeks. WE need to do so for the sake of wellbeing, but also to begin allowing more and more economic activity. We still have stubbornly high case numbers in parts of Wales, including my own local authority area, which reminds us that the lifting of restrictions needs to be done in a cautious manner. Vaccine rollpout is going well, and I think that will make a big difference in a few months’ time in terms of our assessment of risk, and our ability to take bigger steps forward in terms of lifting restrictions. Things I’d do differntly now would include allowing gyms to make the case for safe opening, in order to encourage physical activity., and I also continue to press Government to give more advance warning about what’s likely to be happening over coming weeks. For businesses to be given just a few days to prepare for changes in regulations isn’t enough.
Hope that helps. Also happy to engage with you on the independence question, too!
Kind regards,
Rhun
I've still had no reply from the Plaid generic email so well done Rhun for such a quick response. | |
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| Home Rule on 15:18 - Mar 12 with 854 views | trampie |
| Home Rule on 15:13 - Mar 12 by Catullus |
Be surprised no more, Mr Ap Iorwrth has responded to me and it took less than 3 hours, here is what he said,
Thank you for your email. I’m happy to respond.
The current policy is ‘stay at home’ rather than stay local, but today it was announced by Welsh Government (not the Senedd) that we’ll be moving to ‘stay local’ regulations. This is something I’ve been encouraging, as we’ve seen case numbers and positivity rates drop over recent weeks. WE need to do so for the sake of wellbeing, but also to begin allowing more and more economic activity. We still have stubbornly high case numbers in parts of Wales, including my own local authority area, which reminds us that the lifting of restrictions needs to be done in a cautious manner. Vaccine rollpout is going well, and I think that will make a big difference in a few months’ time in terms of our assessment of risk, and our ability to take bigger steps forward in terms of lifting restrictions. Things I’d do differntly now would include allowing gyms to make the case for safe opening, in order to encourage physical activity., and I also continue to press Government to give more advance warning about what’s likely to be happening over coming weeks. For businesses to be given just a few days to prepare for changes in regulations isn’t enough.
Hope that helps. Also happy to engage with you on the independence question, too!
Kind regards,
Rhun
I've still had no reply from the Plaid generic email so well done Rhun for such a quick response. |
I've followed politics for the best part of 50 years and not taking sides when I say this and I am generalising but Plaid have and have had some of the best politicians of the lot. | |
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| Home Rule on 15:53 - Mar 12 with 834 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 15:18 - Mar 12 by trampie |
I've followed politics for the best part of 50 years and not taking sides when I say this and I am generalising but Plaid have and have had some of the best politicians of the lot. |
Being honest, I didn't expect an answer and definitely not so quickly if he did. That's a good thing obviously, he bothered with a small thing, if he cares about the opinion of one voter not even in his constituency, that's good.
I mentioned indy too and he said he';s happy to engage with me on that so I have emailed him again and laid out all my concerns, I've told him I am open to being converted so lets see what he says. | |
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| Home Rule on 15:54 - Mar 12 with 834 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Home Rule on 11:50 - Mar 12 by Scotia |
The stats would say otherwise.
We'd have been better off with either Sturgeon or Foster. |
Comrade Nicola of course, outstanding.
Foster ? Well after her total Brexit disaster, i would rather guess. |  |
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| Home Rule on 16:03 - Mar 12 with 820 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Home Rule on 15:54 - Mar 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Comrade Nicola of course, outstanding.
Foster ? Well after her total Brexit disaster, i would rather guess. |
Commarade Nicola. Worst health service in UK and lowest life expectancy for both women and men in the UK. LIFE expectancy in some parts of Glasgow is worse than many African countries. | |
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| Home Rule on 16:55 - Mar 12 with 813 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 16:03 - Mar 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Commarade Nicola. Worst health service in UK and lowest life expectancy for both women and men in the UK. LIFE expectancy in some parts of Glasgow is worse than many African countries. |
and the scene of much inter-necine strife. | |
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| Home Rule on 18:01 - Mar 12 with 798 views | Scotia |
| Home Rule on 15:13 - Mar 12 by Catullus |
Be surprised no more, Mr Ap Iorwrth has responded to me and it took less than 3 hours, here is what he said,
Thank you for your email. I’m happy to respond.
The current policy is ‘stay at home’ rather than stay local, but today it was announced by Welsh Government (not the Senedd) that we’ll be moving to ‘stay local’ regulations. This is something I’ve been encouraging, as we’ve seen case numbers and positivity rates drop over recent weeks. WE need to do so for the sake of wellbeing, but also to begin allowing more and more economic activity. We still have stubbornly high case numbers in parts of Wales, including my own local authority area, which reminds us that the lifting of restrictions needs to be done in a cautious manner. Vaccine rollpout is going well, and I think that will make a big difference in a few months’ time in terms of our assessment of risk, and our ability to take bigger steps forward in terms of lifting restrictions. Things I’d do differntly now would include allowing gyms to make the case for safe opening, in order to encourage physical activity., and I also continue to press Government to give more advance warning about what’s likely to be happening over coming weeks. For businesses to be given just a few days to prepare for changes in regulations isn’t enough.
Hope that helps. Also happy to engage with you on the independence question, too!
Kind regards,
Rhun
I've still had no reply from the Plaid generic email so well done Rhun for such a quick response. |
That is impressive, well done Rhun and Cat.
Having worked with MS's for several years I've never had such a quick response.
I pretty much agree with every word. | | | |
| Home Rule on 18:42 - Mar 12 with 785 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 18:01 - Mar 12 by Scotia |
That is impressive, well done Rhun and Cat.
Having worked with MS's for several years I've never had such a quick response.
I pretty much agree with every word. |
Does it tally with what exHMRC said? | |
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| Home Rule on 18:48 - Mar 12 with 784 views | exhmrc1 |
| Home Rule on 18:42 - Mar 12 by Catullus |
Does it tally with what exHMRC said? |
As he has given this to you this is one thing he said
I’ve said that I believe it’s hard to say what should happen on a specific date months from now, and that when Government gives us longer-term ‘roadmaps’ to reopening etc, there have to be caveats because of the sometimes unpredictable nature of this pandemic | | | |
| Home Rule on 20:11 - Mar 12 with 779 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 18:48 - Mar 12 by exhmrc1 |
As he has given this to you this is one thing he said
I’ve said that I believe it’s hard to say what should happen on a specific date months from now, and that when Government gives us longer-term ‘roadmaps’ to reopening etc, there have to be caveats because of the sometimes unpredictable nature of this pandemic |
So you'll break the confidence now? A sudden turn around, what else did he say then? It surely doesn't matter now.
By the way, did you see Drakeford on the news earlier. He ws questioned about supermarkets beinga llowed to sell non essentials when other shops weren't allowed to open. He said it was because supermarkets had the safety precautions in place. He was reminded that he had said it was originally done to be fair to those shops selling non essential goods, so what had changed?
Why is it fair to shops still shut especially any shops that had put safety precautions in place? If safety precautions were the benchmark why did he shut all shops and condemn some to bankruptcy?
Many shopa had apparently followe advice and made changes to fit in with rules and were still told to shut, now they are not allowed to open when supermarkets are given freedom.
SO taxman, has Drakeford got this right? | |
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| Home Rule on 20:25 - Mar 12 with 766 views | exhmrc1 |
| Home Rule on 20:11 - Mar 12 by Catullus |
So you'll break the confidence now? A sudden turn around, what else did he say then? It surely doesn't matter now.
By the way, did you see Drakeford on the news earlier. He ws questioned about supermarkets beinga llowed to sell non essentials when other shops weren't allowed to open. He said it was because supermarkets had the safety precautions in place. He was reminded that he had said it was originally done to be fair to those shops selling non essential goods, so what had changed?
Why is it fair to shops still shut especially any shops that had put safety precautions in place? If safety precautions were the benchmark why did he shut all shops and condemn some to bankruptcy?
Many shopa had apparently followe advice and made changes to fit in with rules and were still told to shut, now they are not allowed to open when supermarkets are given freedom.
SO taxman, has Drakeford got this right? |
No he hasnt got this right. He shouldnt be allowing supermarkets to sell things that local traders cant.
As far as opening shops are concerned it is a very difficult one. The evidence from last year shows cases dropped when shops opened. However it was different then to now. Shops were open in England then so people werent flooding in from England. After the firebreak when shops in England were closed loads came and Cardiff was crammed and that puts things at risk.
If we cannot ensure that doesnt happen again then he would be right to keep things closed until the time shops in England re open. I did say this to you previously. | | | |
| Home Rule on 20:27 - Mar 12 with 765 views | Scotia |
| Home Rule on 18:42 - Mar 12 by Catullus |
Does it tally with what exHMRC said? |
No it doesn't. He's basically said what I heard him saying on the news Wednesday lunchtime, but he also seems to have said that to the taxman.
That people and businesses need to know what's happening a few weeks in the future but understanding that things may change.
The only politician who doesn't think we should do that is Drakeford, obviously ALL the others are too right wing. | | | |
| Home Rule on 20:28 - Mar 12 with 760 views | Scotia |
| Home Rule on 18:48 - Mar 12 by exhmrc1 |
As he has given this to you this is one thing he said
I’ve said that I believe it’s hard to say what should happen on a specific date months from now, and that when Government gives us longer-term ‘roadmaps’ to reopening etc, there have to be caveats because of the sometimes unpredictable nature of this pandemic |
I completely agree with him.
Why did you say he didn't say that?
You said this:-
"Rhun Ap Iorwerth didnt say what you claimed as has been outlined in the email he replied with. He doesnt believe you can make plans ahead as things are so uncertain"
He clearly said exactly the opposite of that. So who's right, Drakeford or Iorwerth? [Post edited 12 Mar 2021 20:38]
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| Home Rule on 20:41 - Mar 12 with 749 views | exhmrc1 |
Not really he added that he felt they could announce what was planned for 3 weeks with caveats, that they should be able to announce in 3 days time and that you cannot really provide dates in future due to uncertainty. He felt it would be better to give a month and not dates but he is concerned about the uncertainty of anything being planned perhaps not being met. Incidentally what Mark Drakeford announced today although I have serious doubts about that. If somebody told me last week as Merthyr cases were tumbling they would raise to over 100 cases per 100,000 cases I would have thought they were nuts but it has happened. Last week I would have expected most of South West Wales would be close to single figures but the rate has started reducing far more slowly.
Making any kind of plan at the moment doesnt make sense in the current climate with so much uncertainty.
He also said he believed that it should be based on figures rather than dates. For example when we reach a certain figure then this should happen rather than dates. That is my belief. If we reach say 10 cases we should open say shops should open, at 5 tourism etc. It is foolish to set plans in dates when so many things can change. You only have to look at Johnson's Christmas statement to realise how foolish it is. [Post edited 12 Mar 2021 20:48]
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| Home Rule on 21:00 - Mar 12 with 736 views | majorraglan |
| Home Rule on 20:41 - Mar 12 by exhmrc1 |
Not really he added that he felt they could announce what was planned for 3 weeks with caveats, that they should be able to announce in 3 days time and that you cannot really provide dates in future due to uncertainty. He felt it would be better to give a month and not dates but he is concerned about the uncertainty of anything being planned perhaps not being met. Incidentally what Mark Drakeford announced today although I have serious doubts about that. If somebody told me last week as Merthyr cases were tumbling they would raise to over 100 cases per 100,000 cases I would have thought they were nuts but it has happened. Last week I would have expected most of South West Wales would be close to single figures but the rate has started reducing far more slowly.
Making any kind of plan at the moment doesnt make sense in the current climate with so much uncertainty.
He also said he believed that it should be based on figures rather than dates. For example when we reach a certain figure then this should happen rather than dates. That is my belief. If we reach say 10 cases we should open say shops should open, at 5 tourism etc. It is foolish to set plans in dates when so many things can change. You only have to look at Johnson's Christmas statement to realise how foolish it is. [Post edited 12 Mar 2021 20:48]
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I think he should give indicative dates with a huge caveat that it’s dependant on people sticking to the rules and targets being achieved. If we achieve the goals, then in the absence of any major information which suggests it’s unsafe to proceed that’s what we need should do. There no way he should be saying XYZ will open on ABC date regardless of the facts.
You mention Merthyr, I’d take a different approach. It’s draconian I know, but if it starts to go up in that area I’d shut the whole place down, road blocks/checks the lot. No going in and no going out. Why on earth should the rest of Wales have to suffer extended lock down because the inhabitants may not be sticking to the rules. People in Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire have very low infection rates, why on earth should they suffer because people in Merthyr won’t play ball. | | | |
| Home Rule on 21:21 - Mar 12 with 727 views | exhmrc1 |
| Home Rule on 21:00 - Mar 12 by majorraglan |
I think he should give indicative dates with a huge caveat that it’s dependant on people sticking to the rules and targets being achieved. If we achieve the goals, then in the absence of any major information which suggests it’s unsafe to proceed that’s what we need should do. There no way he should be saying XYZ will open on ABC date regardless of the facts.
You mention Merthyr, I’d take a different approach. It’s draconian I know, but if it starts to go up in that area I’d shut the whole place down, road blocks/checks the lot. No going in and no going out. Why on earth should the rest of Wales have to suffer extended lock down because the inhabitants may not be sticking to the rules. People in Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire have very low infection rates, why on earth should they suffer because people in Merthyr won’t play ball. |
What you are suggesting about Merthyr Tydfil is basically the reason for a stay local rule. Dates are really impossible to give especially in 3 months time as none of us now what the position will be. We dont know the take up of the vaccine in lower age groups. 99% of deaths occur in people 50 or over so what incentive is there for 20 and 30 year olds to get vaccinated. It may be the reason the percentages for shielding and care and health staff is considerably down on over 70s.
I have spoken to the person or family of 4 people under 35 who have had covid and all weren't particularly unwell. A number who had it and were older have said they felt very ill with it. One who was 33 told me today she was not particularly unwell and she has a major condition having been hospitalised with a serious operation in the last few months. Her father had it at the same time and is still unwell. Her grandmother died with it. A mates son had it and if he hadnt been given a test because a work colleague had it wouldnt even have known he had it.
We dont know if we will have a variant that doesnt respond to vaccines.
It is impossible to plan anything at the moment with any certainty. | | | |
| Home Rule on 21:43 - Mar 12 with 713 views | majorraglan |
| Home Rule on 21:21 - Mar 12 by exhmrc1 |
What you are suggesting about Merthyr Tydfil is basically the reason for a stay local rule. Dates are really impossible to give especially in 3 months time as none of us now what the position will be. We dont know the take up of the vaccine in lower age groups. 99% of deaths occur in people 50 or over so what incentive is there for 20 and 30 year olds to get vaccinated. It may be the reason the percentages for shielding and care and health staff is considerably down on over 70s.
I have spoken to the person or family of 4 people under 35 who have had covid and all weren't particularly unwell. A number who had it and were older have said they felt very ill with it. One who was 33 told me today she was not particularly unwell and she has a major condition having been hospitalised with a serious operation in the last few months. Her father had it at the same time and is still unwell. Her grandmother died with it. A mates son had it and if he hadnt been given a test because a work colleague had it wouldnt even have known he had it.
We dont know if we will have a variant that doesnt respond to vaccines.
It is impossible to plan anything at the moment with any certainty. |
At this moment in time staying local makes sense, but lots of people don’t think the rules apply to them. What I’d like to see, but it won’t happen is if in a month or so the country is doing well with the exception of 1 or 2 areas, then those areas which are the source of the issue are isolated via road blocks and the rest of the country be allowed to carry on as normal. It’s draconian and a step on from what we’ve seen before, but businesses and people in the areas which are sticking to the rules and driving down infection rates should be allowed to open | | | |
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