| Home Rule 10:49 - Feb 28 with 17151 views | Catullus |
Drakeford wants it, devo max, go Federal, whatever you want to call it. His speech said a lot but was very light on detail. It was full of optimistic generalisations without saying much at all.
It is obvious now why the Labour party wanted to give the vote to 16/17 year olds, they are targettting them at the next election with this home rule demand because they know young people are more likley to support it, or independence.
This change in the voting laws was nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with tilting the vote in their favour but maybe it'll backfire and those youngsters will vote Plaid?
That aside, whn will we hear details? When will Drakeford give us the opportunity to weight up his plans?
He has also said more than once he won't serve a full term if he wins, that most likely means we'll have Gething foisted on us...from frying pan into the fire then. Can we vote for a party when we know the leader isn't interested in doing the term? Certainly people didn't like it when we had Bojo foisted on us, plenty said we didn'tvote for him and said it wasn't democratic. |  |
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| Home Rule on 18:53 - Mar 1 with 840 views | pencoedjack |
| Home Rule on 18:42 - Mar 1 by felixstowe_jack |
Welsh water is already paid a water abstraction fee by the English water company. Wales could not stop supplying water to England. Once the reservoirs are full , they would overflow into rivers like the Severn , Wye and the Dee. The water companies can just pump the water out once they rivers cross the border into England. |
I honestly cannot fathom anyone thinking that England will pay us vast amounts of money to buy something they have an abundance of.
The same people think there is no mountains/wind in England to generate power.
I presume they have never flown over the North Sea & seen all the wind turbines either. |  | | |
| Home Rule on 18:58 - Mar 1 with 836 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Home Rule on 18:53 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack |
I honestly cannot fathom anyone thinking that England will pay us vast amounts of money to buy something they have an abundance of.
The same people think there is no mountains/wind in England to generate power.
I presume they have never flown over the North Sea & seen all the wind turbines either. |
Plus England is sunnier than Wales especially the east and south of England far better for solar power. | |
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| Home Rule on 19:02 - Mar 1 with 828 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Home Rule on 18:53 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack |
I honestly cannot fathom anyone thinking that England will pay us vast amounts of money to buy something they have an abundance of.
The same people think there is no mountains/wind in England to generate power.
I presume they have never flown over the North Sea & seen all the wind turbines either. |
I doubt Wales could afford to develop the infrastructure necessary to fund these renewable projects either.
Nobody wanted touch the "Swansea Bay Lagoon" with their own money. Even if it was a success, it would mean electricity prices rising hugely for those being powered by it. |  |
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| Home Rule on 19:08 - Mar 1 with 820 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 14:56 - Mar 1 by trampie |
What with all our excess energy not to mention all our water, an independent Wales would be booming. |
78% of that energy is from fossil fuels, that won't last long with Wales going green.
I think you'll find England has plenty of water too, the rugby team were definitely half soaked last Saturday!
The target for 2030 is interesting, I doubt we'll make it.
https://gov.wales/sites/defaul | |
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| Home Rule on 19:46 - Mar 1 with 797 views | trampie |
Guardian Environment (@guardianeco) Tweeted: England could run short of water within 25 years https://t.co/PxEgbExYho |  |
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| Home Rule on 19:48 - Mar 1 with 794 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 18:53 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack |
I honestly cannot fathom anyone thinking that England will pay us vast amounts of money to buy something they have an abundance of.
The same people think there is no mountains/wind in England to generate power.
I presume they have never flown over the North Sea & seen all the wind turbines either. |
The north Wirral coast has a massive wind farm .
It generates a fair bit of energy too | |
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| Home Rule on 19:52 - Mar 1 with 790 views | trampie |
| Home Rule on 19:48 - Mar 1 by onehunglow |
The north Wirral coast has a massive wind farm .
It generates a fair bit of energy too |
I heard that there is a lot of wind generated in that area as well. | |
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| Home Rule on 20:37 - Mar 1 with 775 views | trampie |
| Home Rule on 20:13 - Feb 28 by Catullus |
Click on the link for Trauma and orthopaedic, it says they expected to retart elective surgery on the 22nd, last week. One of my neighbours says a friend was called in.
Last Spetember I was told I was in the next tranche and should be seen in October...then November...then December and then they stopped surgery again. Now it's apparently restarted.
I don't know what's going on but I'll be in a wheelchair if they don't operate soon. Both my knees are giving up and my right hip is painful too now. There are days when I feel like giving up. I rarely sleep properly and haven't for over 2 years. |
I hope they can quickly sort you out Cat, all the best with your health. | |
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| Home Rule on 20:46 - Mar 1 with 772 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Home Rule on 19:02 - Mar 1 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I doubt Wales could afford to develop the infrastructure necessary to fund these renewable projects either.
Nobody wanted touch the "Swansea Bay Lagoon" with their own money. Even if it was a success, it would mean electricity prices rising hugely for those being powered by it. |
Any idea how the UK manages ?
They borrow.
‘Main points. Debt (public sector net debt excluding public sector banks, PSND ex) has exceeded £2 trillion for the first time; at the end of July 2020, debt was £2,004.0 billion, £227.6 billion more than at the same point last year’.
So the real question is .. can Wales afford to stay in the UK when the UK has such huge debt ?
I think we need out. |  |
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| Home Rule on 21:49 - Mar 1 with 761 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 20:46 - Mar 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Any idea how the UK manages ?
They borrow.
‘Main points. Debt (public sector net debt excluding public sector banks, PSND ex) has exceeded £2 trillion for the first time; at the end of July 2020, debt was £2,004.0 billion, £227.6 billion more than at the same point last year’.
So the real question is .. can Wales afford to stay in the UK when the UK has such huge debt ?
I think we need out. |
You know Kilk, this woman,
https://www.iwa.wales/agenda/2
makes the best financial argument in favour of indy I have seen. On here only JohnJlangy has matched her yt there is still a problem.
She proposes taxation rises as a way to fund indy Wales. Apparently our then new First Minister was keen on a land value tax and she talks about a tourism tax. So raising taxes is her option, do we want to be indy if it is more expensive for all of us? She even admits that Wales is poor though saying that is an argument for indy.
Imagine indy happens and they put a land value tax on us, how much is it and who has to pay? Can peoiple who may already be struggling with their mortgage and other bills afford an extra tax? Our tourist industry, if we put a tourism tax on it, will it just reduce the number of tourists and be self defeating?
Not to forget that this already poor country would have to take it;s share of UK debt with it and straight away be borrowing more just to pay existing bills never mind any investment. Then there's the jobs we'd lose, all our armed forces personnel, redundant, all those supply chain jobs gone, DVLA gone apart from the new, smaller Welsh version. So much to think about and people complained leaving the EU was too hard. It's simple compared to going indy.
Seperatley, how can pretty much every country be in debt? Who to? The whole planet is bankrupt and that is crazy. The USA has a debt of 22 trillion! | |
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| Home Rule on 21:57 - Mar 1 with 756 views | pencoedjack |
| Home Rule on 21:49 - Mar 1 by Catullus |
You know Kilk, this woman,
https://www.iwa.wales/agenda/2
makes the best financial argument in favour of indy I have seen. On here only JohnJlangy has matched her yt there is still a problem.
She proposes taxation rises as a way to fund indy Wales. Apparently our then new First Minister was keen on a land value tax and she talks about a tourism tax. So raising taxes is her option, do we want to be indy if it is more expensive for all of us? She even admits that Wales is poor though saying that is an argument for indy.
Imagine indy happens and they put a land value tax on us, how much is it and who has to pay? Can peoiple who may already be struggling with their mortgage and other bills afford an extra tax? Our tourist industry, if we put a tourism tax on it, will it just reduce the number of tourists and be self defeating?
Not to forget that this already poor country would have to take it;s share of UK debt with it and straight away be borrowing more just to pay existing bills never mind any investment. Then there's the jobs we'd lose, all our armed forces personnel, redundant, all those supply chain jobs gone, DVLA gone apart from the new, smaller Welsh version. So much to think about and people complained leaving the EU was too hard. It's simple compared to going indy.
Seperatley, how can pretty much every country be in debt? Who to? The whole planet is bankrupt and that is crazy. The USA has a debt of 22 trillion! |
Keep up we would sell water to the English.
Job done. | | | |
| Home Rule on 21:59 - Mar 1 with 756 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Home Rule on 20:46 - Mar 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Any idea how the UK manages ?
They borrow.
‘Main points. Debt (public sector net debt excluding public sector banks, PSND ex) has exceeded £2 trillion for the first time; at the end of July 2020, debt was £2,004.0 billion, £227.6 billion more than at the same point last year’.
So the real question is .. can Wales afford to stay in the UK when the UK has such huge debt ?
I think we need out. |
If Wales was running at a surplus then you'd have a fair point. In reality Wales runs on a deficit far in excess of the UK as a whole (16.6% the last time I bothered to check). That's astonishing. | |
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| Home Rule on 22:03 - Mar 1 with 752 views | pencoedjack |
| Home Rule on 21:59 - Mar 1 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
If Wales was running at a surplus then you'd have a fair point. In reality Wales runs on a deficit far in excess of the UK as a whole (16.6% the last time I bothered to check). That's astonishing. |
I get the feeling the idiot believes we wouldn’t have any debt if we became independent.
Westminster would just say don’t worry we will pick it up, I bet most of the sweaties thing the same. | | | |
| Home Rule on 22:07 - Mar 1 with 747 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Home Rule on 22:03 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack |
I get the feeling the idiot believes we wouldn’t have any debt if we became independent.
Westminster would just say don’t worry we will pick it up, I bet most of the sweaties thing the same. |
Even if we did leave debt free, we'd be in debt the second we leave and will likely forever be in debt. Can you imagine what sort of credit rating we'd have when approaching the world bank when we're running on a 16.6% deficit whilst much of the country's high earners (and probably a few of the country's largest businesses) flee to avoid the high-tax utopia we'd become. Iceland could move their HQ a stones throw East and be fine. | |
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| Home Rule on 22:14 - Mar 1 with 740 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 21:57 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack |
Keep up we would sell water to the English.
Job done. |
It'd be just as easy to sell sand to the Arabs.
On an emotional standpoint I am not opposed to indy, I am against it from a pragmatic point of view and no one has yet provided enough factual information to change that.
Imagine a hard border with England, it'd crucify us.
On a purely selfish football rant, imagine if the Swans were allowed to stay in the English leagues and we needed passports to go away! Then again, if we went indy our football clubs would probably go Welsh league, imagine that, playing Cardiff Wrexham and Newport 4 times a year forever and the upset to Connah's quay and New Saints! There again European football every year.maybe, even if only one game! | |
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| Home Rule on 09:57 - Mar 2 with 685 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 22:14 - Mar 1 by Catullus |
It'd be just as easy to sell sand to the Arabs.
On an emotional standpoint I am not opposed to indy, I am against it from a pragmatic point of view and no one has yet provided enough factual information to change that.
Imagine a hard border with England, it'd crucify us.
On a purely selfish football rant, imagine if the Swans were allowed to stay in the English leagues and we needed passports to go away! Then again, if we went indy our football clubs would probably go Welsh league, imagine that, playing Cardiff Wrexham and Newport 4 times a year forever and the upset to Connah's quay and New Saints! There again European football every year.maybe, even if only one game! |
Im lucky as I could cycle across the border using the railway line although Im not sure they might put a Border Post at Hawarden Bridge to keep the filthy English out . | |
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| Home Rule on 10:33 - Mar 2 with 681 views | controversial_jack |
| Home Rule on 15:27 - Mar 1 by onehunglow |
The water stored in English built reservoirs.
Northern England can get its water from the Lakes or the Pennines. |
Water companies are mostly owned by foreign investors , same with most of our utilities. It won't matter to them if it's in England or Wales | | | |
| Home Rule on 10:34 - Mar 2 with 678 views | controversial_jack |
| Home Rule on 20:46 - Mar 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Any idea how the UK manages ?
They borrow.
‘Main points. Debt (public sector net debt excluding public sector banks, PSND ex) has exceeded £2 trillion for the first time; at the end of July 2020, debt was £2,004.0 billion, £227.6 billion more than at the same point last year’.
So the real question is .. can Wales afford to stay in the UK when the UK has such huge debt ?
I think we need out. |
Exactly, England doesn't have this magic money pot, they have to tax and borrow like every other country | | | |
| Home Rule on 10:57 - Mar 2 with 668 views | onehunglow |
Is the putative new Indy Welsh government gonna forcibly take over the reservoirs with a coup .
Fair play,we need a little levity these days although it's a pitiful sight to read such stuff on here . | |
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| Home Rule on 12:38 - Mar 2 with 646 views | Boundy |
| Home Rule on 19:48 - Mar 1 by onehunglow |
The north Wirral coast has a massive wind farm .
It generates a fair bit of energy too |
If you're referring to the one opposite Frodsham , I'm up there soon for a few days work , ,also there's Gwynt y Mor off shore wind farm another haunt of mine. And yes they are all contributing to the grid which feeds into England , a bit like our water pipes from the reservoirs . | |
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| Home Rule on 12:51 - Mar 2 with 643 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 12:38 - Mar 2 by Boundy |
If you're referring to the one opposite Frodsham , I'm up there soon for a few days work , ,also there's Gwynt y Mor off shore wind farm another haunt of mine. And yes they are all contributing to the grid which feeds into England , a bit like our water pipes from the reservoirs . |
No matey.
The ones from New Brighton to West Kirby
Jeez ,in better days ,you could call in and have luncheon and I ll play some samples from my impressive set list | |
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| Home Rule on 16:25 - Mar 2 with 617 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Home Rule on 21:59 - Mar 1 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
If Wales was running at a surplus then you'd have a fair point. In reality Wales runs on a deficit far in excess of the UK as a whole (16.6% the last time I bothered to check). That's astonishing. |
That situation is ‘cos London Rule does not and cannot work for Wales.
Its a reason for change, not a reason not to change. | |
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| Home Rule on 16:27 - Mar 2 with 614 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Home Rule on 21:57 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack |
Keep up we would sell water to the English.
Job done. |
Or we could just rejoin the EU and trade with the nice Europeans again.
Like Ireland do. | |
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| Home Rule on 16:38 - Mar 2 with 609 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Home Rule on 21:57 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack |
Keep up we would sell water to the English.
Job done. |
They don't need to buy it. Most of it flows into England anyway via the Severn, Wye and Dee. England will just wait until it crosses into England then pump it out of the rivers. Wales will then loose all the water abstraction fees the water companies currently pay. | |
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| Home Rule on 16:41 - Mar 2 with 607 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Home Rule on 22:03 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack |
I get the feeling the idiot believes we wouldn’t have any debt if we became independent.
Westminster would just say don’t worry we will pick it up, I bet most of the sweaties thing the same. |
Debt is a concept that you should read up on.
The UK had austerity for years, but never paid the national debt off.
And then covid comes along and money is (rightly) found for furlough , and ....
Money for Trident.
Money for Brexit.
Money for HS2.
Money for Heathrow expansion.
Money for Crossrail.
Money for East West Rail.
And maybe even a tunnel to the occupied north of Ireland...?
Its amazing. Money for all sorts, innit ?
An abusive husband often tells his poor wife that she is useless and will have no money without him. Threat after threat.
But the right thing is for her to walk. Always.
Whatever, its a better future than a guy who threatens her into staying.
Thats what you are trying to do here.
The future of Wales will be decided by welsh peopke who live in Wales.
Empty threats dont work.
Wales will be free whenever the people of wales decide.
We dont need the approval of London. | |
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