| Home Rule 10:49 - Feb 28 with 17168 views | Catullus |
Drakeford wants it, devo max, go Federal, whatever you want to call it. His speech said a lot but was very light on detail. It was full of optimistic generalisations without saying much at all.
It is obvious now why the Labour party wanted to give the vote to 16/17 year olds, they are targettting them at the next election with this home rule demand because they know young people are more likley to support it, or independence.
This change in the voting laws was nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with tilting the vote in their favour but maybe it'll backfire and those youngsters will vote Plaid?
That aside, whn will we hear details? When will Drakeford give us the opportunity to weight up his plans?
He has also said more than once he won't serve a full term if he wins, that most likely means we'll have Gething foisted on us...from frying pan into the fire then. Can we vote for a party when we know the leader isn't interested in doing the term? Certainly people didn't like it when we had Bojo foisted on us, plenty said we didn'tvote for him and said it wasn't democratic. |  |
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| Home Rule on 16:02 - Mar 3 with 1080 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 16:00 - Mar 3 by felixstowe_jack |
An extra £18 announced for the Swansea bay deal today. Just hope Drakeford can't get his hands on it.
£740 million more for Wales announced in budget. |
That by Westminster then.? | |
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| Home Rule on 16:04 - Mar 3 with 1080 views | Catullus |
After Boundy's post I had a look,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Then I read this part of Ken Skates statement,
"Separately, as sole shareholders of Cardiff Airport, we have made the decision on a purely commercial basis to write off £42.6 million of the airports debt. This decision maximises the likelihood of recovery of Welsh Government loan investment and delivers the lowest lifetime cost option. It provides the best way forward for the Welsh Ministers as sole shareholders of the airport from a commercial perspective.
"We are also impairing the equity at this time as a prudent step to reflect the loss of value as a result of Covid which amounts to £46.3m. By taking this action we are confident that this will best protect the value of the public investment in the airport and ensure that it is sustainable into the future."
So the best chance of having a debt repaid is to write an equal sized debt off? The best way to protect the value of investment is to reduce the value of the airport?
The new loan and the written off loan will total 92.6 million, it's probably all gone forever on top of the 52 million to buy it.
How is this value for money for Wales? When will passenger numbers rise again? How much more taxpayers money is the Senedd going to waste?
Do any Drakeford fans want to explain to me why this is good? | |
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| Home Rule on 16:07 - Mar 3 with 1074 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 16:04 - Mar 3 by Catullus |
After Boundy's post I had a look,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Then I read this part of Ken Skates statement,
"Separately, as sole shareholders of Cardiff Airport, we have made the decision on a purely commercial basis to write off £42.6 million of the airports debt. This decision maximises the likelihood of recovery of Welsh Government loan investment and delivers the lowest lifetime cost option. It provides the best way forward for the Welsh Ministers as sole shareholders of the airport from a commercial perspective.
"We are also impairing the equity at this time as a prudent step to reflect the loss of value as a result of Covid which amounts to £46.3m. By taking this action we are confident that this will best protect the value of the public investment in the airport and ensure that it is sustainable into the future."
So the best chance of having a debt repaid is to write an equal sized debt off? The best way to protect the value of investment is to reduce the value of the airport?
The new loan and the written off loan will total 92.6 million, it's probably all gone forever on top of the 52 million to buy it.
How is this value for money for Wales? When will passenger numbers rise again? How much more taxpayers money is the Senedd going to waste?
Do any Drakeford fans want to explain to me why this is good? |
You can always find a nice home here. Cat.35 mins Liverpool 45 Manchester airport
Here s a nice pad for you
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Not Gower granted but you’re 200 mls from Drakeford. | |
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| Home Rule on 16:33 - Mar 3 with 1058 views | Boundy |
| Home Rule on 16:00 - Mar 3 by felixstowe_jack |
An extra £18 announced for the Swansea bay deal today. Just hope Drakeford can't get his hands on it.
£740 million more for Wales announced in budget. |
Like the money which was set aside for the new Swansea marina but taken away by WAG only to be spent yes you guessed it .
Below I found an old post from here with a response from our esteemed AM for Swansea Mike Hedges in regards on being questioned about investment in Swansea.
"Mike Hedges
Yes I read the comments. I was rather surprised at the view that “I toe the party line” especially as I do not think there is one.
Talking only about Swansea East we currently have SA1 development under construction, Tidal lagoon plans well under way, Swansea Vale mixed development now completed, Liberty stadium expansion plans, new schools at Burlais which is nearly complete and Lon Las about to start construction, electrification of Swansea to London mainline, road improvements around the Hafod with the new distributor road.
Yes I want more investment in Swansea East. I live here, my family live here and I am committed to the area
Mike"
Interesting that he thought the now forgotten stadium expansion plans were part of the WAGs gift to us or that the electrification will no longer be coming here nor the tidal lagoon or that the WAG contributed a massive 1.5 million towards the cost of the Landore bypass whilst spending £5 million on improving junction 33 M4 which leads you to the land of milk and honey | |
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| Home Rule on 16:40 - Mar 3 with 1053 views | exhmrc1 |
| Home Rule on 15:29 - Mar 3 by Boundy |
You normally like to express your self and I've got time so fill your boots ,Not sure why you're bringing covid deaths into the discussion though
I'd accept your argument if we were talking about an administration which had only say 4 years to turn around a mess created by previous governments but we're not , why do think there's a movement of people from the Valleys for example , could it be that any decent job is not being or encouraged to be created within the locality but as we know down in the Bubble of Cardiff and its environs. The planned metro system for example is not to create the wealth back in say Merthyr / Aberdare etc but to provide yet another link into the money pit which has been all consuming of our taxes and money from central government .The disparity between what's spent in the rest of Wales compared to the se corner is astonishing.
I noticed today that the shysters in the bay have announced that unless they pump in another £40 + million and write off an already sizeable debt of 40 + million then the airport will close , so what if it does, what other government in the UK owns an airport , not one, yet as you've acknowledged and we all know Wales is the poorest countries in the UK , far below what should be expected in the worlds 6 richest economies . But we can afford to run and support an enterprise where if privately owned would have failed and perhaps it should.one minute its keen on the environment that actively encourages the increase of our carbon foot print .
You say lack of ambition , can you tell me one major employer in the area of a population the size of Swansea which could forfill the ambitions of a youngster leaving school , that is in a position to take on yet another tranche of school leavers , what options are there other than to leave the area or as you say this part of Wales and beyond live on benefits. perhaps McDonalds, Costa Coffee or Amazon, what a choice for 16 year old The last major employer, Fords have gone with little or no prospect of the same employment levels which existed when it operated. Last year the figures for new investments in Wales , with 54% in the south east, 24% in north Wales and 23% in mid and south west Wales.
"Merthyr Tydfil didn't have a single candidate attending Cambridge " is that what you quantify as a negative , this country wasn't built of the Oxbridge set and many degrees have been dumbed down to the extent they're pretty much worthless so i don't take on board that Gower College had 8 go this year studying what exactly ?. Many successful businesses are created, run managed without the need of degree . |
As far as your figures nearly 1/2 the population live in South East Wales and I didnt include Bridgend or Merthyr in that so the investment figures in South East Wales are broadly similar to what would be expected on a population share.
In terms of companies for school leavers try just a few
Wall Colmonoy Pontardawe
Inco Clydach
Swansea University
Tata Steel | | | |
| Home Rule on 19:00 - Mar 3 with 1023 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 16:40 - Mar 3 by exhmrc1 |
As far as your figures nearly 1/2 the population live in South East Wales and I didnt include Bridgend or Merthyr in that so the investment figures in South East Wales are broadly similar to what would be expected on a population share.
In terms of companies for school leavers try just a few
Wall Colmonoy Pontardawe
Inco Clydach
Swansea University
Tata Steel |
Cardiff is less than 500,000 yet it's had billions more lavished on it than the entire South West of Wales which has a bigger population.
South East Wales, about 1,360,000, that's significantly less than half by about half a million people.
Still I wasn't aware spending was allocated by population, I thought it was spent where it was needed. Cardiff is one of the richest areas, it can afford to let other parts of Wales have some investment, like Blaunau Gwent, they really need some help.
PS, is Cardiff 7 times the population of Swansea?, no, it's about 1.5 times bigger. [Post edited 3 Mar 2021 19:03]
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| Home Rule on 19:15 - Mar 3 with 1015 views | exhmrc1 |
| Home Rule on 19:00 - Mar 3 by Catullus |
Cardiff is less than 500,000 yet it's had billions more lavished on it than the entire South West of Wales which has a bigger population.
South East Wales, about 1,360,000, that's significantly less than half by about half a million people.
Still I wasn't aware spending was allocated by population, I thought it was spent where it was needed. Cardiff is one of the richest areas, it can afford to let other parts of Wales have some investment, like Blaunau Gwent, they really need some help.
PS, is Cardiff 7 times the population of Swansea?, no, it's about 1.5 times bigger. [Post edited 3 Mar 2021 19:03]
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South East Wales is far wider than Cardiff. It includes Monmouthshire, Newport, Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly, Rhondda Cynon Taff and Vale of Glamorgan as well as Cardiff. Many included Merthyr Tydfil and Bridgend as well. Certainly my ex colleages from Maesteg and Bridgend so themselves more towards Cardiff than Swansea and it was similar to colleagues from Merthyr and Aberdare. | | | |
| Home Rule on 19:27 - Mar 3 with 1013 views | Boundy |
| Home Rule on 16:40 - Mar 3 by exhmrc1 |
As far as your figures nearly 1/2 the population live in South East Wales and I didnt include Bridgend or Merthyr in that so the investment figures in South East Wales are broadly similar to what would be expected on a population share.
In terms of companies for school leavers try just a few
Wall Colmonoy Pontardawe
Inco Clydach
Swansea University
Tata Steel |
Wall Colmonoy Pontardawe
Inco Clydach
Swansea University
Tata Steel
That's the best you can come up with just quick search on the University web site I didn't see many vacancy's for a school leaver unless of course you maenat as a graduate,,yes I'm sure they'd be willing to take the money. janitor maybe
Inco
Tata , will be interesting to see how much longer that can hold on, if its closed then it doesn't bear thinking about the effects of the locality . now employs 4,000 from a height of 13-14000 + plus all the ancillary workers supplying it.
Wall Colmonoy Pontardawe a good job going if your time served and willing to move to the US
How about Drakeford putting as much effort in persuading companies to move further west than he currently does
You missed the fact that the population is growing in the se corner because that's where the new job creation is and has not been discouraged in fact encouraged with incentives handed out to the likes of Aston Martin | |
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| Home Rule on 21:39 - Mar 3 with 990 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 19:15 - Mar 3 by exhmrc1 |
South East Wales is far wider than Cardiff. It includes Monmouthshire, Newport, Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly, Rhondda Cynon Taff and Vale of Glamorgan as well as Cardiff. Many included Merthyr Tydfil and Bridgend as well. Certainly my ex colleages from Maesteg and Bridgend so themselves more towards Cardiff than Swansea and it was similar to colleagues from Merthyr and Aberdare. |
I'm talking about Cardiff its;elf, not the wider area. Don't try moving the goalposts on what I said, I specifically said CARDIFF. | |
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| Home Rule on 22:26 - Mar 3 with 981 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Home Rule on 19:27 - Mar 3 by Boundy |
Wall Colmonoy Pontardawe
Inco Clydach
Swansea University
Tata Steel
That's the best you can come up with just quick search on the University web site I didn't see many vacancy's for a school leaver unless of course you maenat as a graduate,,yes I'm sure they'd be willing to take the money. janitor maybe
Inco
Tata , will be interesting to see how much longer that can hold on, if its closed then it doesn't bear thinking about the effects of the locality . now employs 4,000 from a height of 13-14000 + plus all the ancillary workers supplying it.
Wall Colmonoy Pontardawe a good job going if your time served and willing to move to the US
How about Drakeford putting as much effort in persuading companies to move further west than he currently does
You missed the fact that the population is growing in the se corner because that's where the new job creation is and has not been discouraged in fact encouraged with incentives handed out to the likes of Aston Martin |
Boundy - do you think Wales is the only nation in the world that cant govern itself ?
Basically I do think that is what you are saying.... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Home Rule on 22:44 - Mar 3 with 965 views | Catullus |
| Home Rule on 22:26 - Mar 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Boundy - do you think Wales is the only nation in the world that cant govern itself ?
Basically I do think that is what you are saying.... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
No, he's saying the Senedd are a useless pile of rubbish who do nothing for most of Wales. | |
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| Home Rule on 00:37 - Mar 4 with 946 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 22:26 - Mar 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Boundy - do you think Wales is the only nation in the world that cant govern itself ?
Basically I do think that is what you are saying.... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
I’m saying Wales is utterly incapable.
It is divided by language for a start then a choice between fascism and lefty labour zealots.
Nowt in between | |
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| Home Rule on 01:02 - Mar 4 with 944 views | Marcella |
| Home Rule on 00:37 - Mar 4 by onehunglow |
I’m saying Wales is utterly incapable.
It is divided by language for a start then a choice between fascism and lefty labour zealots.
Nowt in between |
Wow man, my heritage is Welsh, how can you be so bitter towards Wales |  | | |
| Home Rule on 01:05 - Mar 4 with 941 views | onehunglow |
| Home Rule on 01:02 - Mar 4 by Marcella |
Wow man, my heritage is Welsh, how can you be so bitter towards Wales |
Wow man to you.
Bitter how . ..
That Georgia in previous USSR .nah the American one
I haven’t the time now to explain .
Look up bitter though [Post edited 4 Mar 2021 1:07]
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| Home Rule on 01:08 - Mar 4 with 937 views | Marcella |
| Home Rule on 01:05 - Mar 4 by onehunglow |
Wow man to you.
Bitter how . ..
That Georgia in previous USSR .nah the American one
I haven’t the time now to explain .
Look up bitter though [Post edited 4 Mar 2021 1:07]
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I feel for you man, love your skin and blood, keep your anger for your soul to make peace with your family 👪
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| Home Rule on 02:51 - Mar 4 with 910 views | Jack59 |
| Home Rule on 15:29 - Mar 3 by Boundy |
You normally like to express your self and I've got time so fill your boots ,Not sure why you're bringing covid deaths into the discussion though
I'd accept your argument if we were talking about an administration which had only say 4 years to turn around a mess created by previous governments but we're not , why do think there's a movement of people from the Valleys for example , could it be that any decent job is not being or encouraged to be created within the locality but as we know down in the Bubble of Cardiff and its environs. The planned metro system for example is not to create the wealth back in say Merthyr / Aberdare etc but to provide yet another link into the money pit which has been all consuming of our taxes and money from central government .The disparity between what's spent in the rest of Wales compared to the se corner is astonishing.
I noticed today that the shysters in the bay have announced that unless they pump in another £40 + million and write off an already sizeable debt of 40 + million then the airport will close , so what if it does, what other government in the UK owns an airport , not one, yet as you've acknowledged and we all know Wales is the poorest countries in the UK , far below what should be expected in the worlds 6 richest economies . But we can afford to run and support an enterprise where if privately owned would have failed and perhaps it should.one minute its keen on the environment that actively encourages the increase of our carbon foot print .
You say lack of ambition , can you tell me one major employer in the area of a population the size of Swansea which could forfill the ambitions of a youngster leaving school , that is in a position to take on yet another tranche of school leavers , what options are there other than to leave the area or as you say this part of Wales and beyond live on benefits. perhaps McDonalds, Costa Coffee or Amazon, what a choice for 16 year old The last major employer, Fords have gone with little or no prospect of the same employment levels which existed when it operated. Last year the figures for new investments in Wales , with 54% in the south east, 24% in north Wales and 23% in mid and south west Wales.
"Merthyr Tydfil didn't have a single candidate attending Cambridge " is that what you quantify as a negative , this country wasn't built of the Oxbridge set and many degrees have been dumbed down to the extent they're pretty much worthless so i don't take on board that Gower College had 8 go this year studying what exactly ?. Many successful businesses are created, run managed without the need of degree . |
Imagine how much public money could have been saved, if only they had stuck with the name Rhoose Airport instead of renaming it to Cardiff airport.
WAG mission statement: No business or organisation of reasonably high profile and containing the name 'Cardiff' in it's title must ever be seen to fail, whatever the cost,
Thank goodness that the facilities at Fairwood Airport were poor, and it was never perceived to be any sort of threat, otherwise a brand new Cardiff Wales Airport would have been built at a cost of Billions.
What a disgrace these AM's are in Cardiff, All the regions of Wales would get much fairer representation, and a better deal by the Welsh MP's at Westminster.
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| Home Rule on 06:18 - Mar 4 with 878 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Home Rule on 00:37 - Mar 4 by onehunglow |
I’m saying Wales is utterly incapable.
It is divided by language for a start then a choice between fascism and lefty labour zealots.
Nowt in between |
And yet todays poll is showing support for welsh independence at it highest ever level.
Perch does not live in Wales and he represents the Wales he left in the 1970s, a view of Wales driven by the BBC.
Boundy is a bit twp, poor dab.
Meanwhile is one way momentum to Indy Wales.
Hold onto your seats, here we go ....
ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿â¤ï¸ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿â¤ï¸ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿â¤ï¸ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡º | |
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| Home Rule on 06:24 - Mar 4 with 876 views | Kilkennyjack |
Get watching gentlemen, its already game over for the toxic union.
Brexit has killed it.
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| Home Rule on 06:36 - Mar 4 with 874 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Home Rule on 22:44 - Mar 3 by Catullus |
No, he's saying the Senedd are a useless pile of rubbish who do nothing for most of Wales. |
Well it has not .,,
Wasted billions on illegal wars
Wasted billions on Trident
Wasted billions by handling Covid so badly the economic impact is dreadful
Handed billions of contracts to friends of the Tory party
Refused to fund rail electrification to Swansea
Refused to fund the Swansea lagoon initiative
Made welsh tax payers fund HS2
Aligned themselves to Donald Trump
Maybe its the free parking at hospitals, extra funding for students or free prescriptions for the sick you dont like ?
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| Home Rule on 07:25 - Mar 4 with 861 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Home Rule on 22:26 - Mar 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Boundy - do you think Wales is the only nation in the world that cant govern itself ?
Basically I do think that is what you are saying.... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
Of course Wales can govern itself. The question is can Wales afford to do it without the £3500 subsidy per person from the UK government every year. Clearly on the evidence of the failing senedd and the latest poll 86% of the Welsh population think not. | |
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| Home Rule on 07:29 - Mar 4 with 860 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Home Rule on 06:18 - Mar 4 by Kilkennyjack |
And yet todays poll is showing support for welsh independence at it highest ever level.
Perch does not live in Wales and he represents the Wales he left in the 1970s, a view of Wales driven by the BBC.
Boundy is a bit twp, poor dab.
Meanwhile is one way momentum to Indy Wales.
Hold onto your seats, here we go ....
ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿â¤ï¸ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿â¤ï¸ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿â¤ï¸ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡º |
Are you ignoring the bigger poll on St David's day when only 14% said they would vote for independence and more 15% said they would vote to abolish the senedd.
Even then the 39% you quote is incorrect.
39% of the people polled did not see they would vote for independence.
Real result
Voted no to independence 41%
Voted for independence 26%
Voted Don't know 33%
Why do you keep lying are you a mate of Nicola.
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| Home Rule on 09:41 - Mar 4 with 830 views | johnlangy |
| Home Rule on 22:44 - Mar 3 by Catullus |
No, he's saying the Senedd are a useless pile of rubbish who do nothing for most of Wales. |
Substitute Westminster for Senedd in your statement.
As i've said many times, if Wales was Independent we'd have the choice of getting rid of the rubbish and replacing them with better. As things stand we have no chance of replacing the rubbish in Westminster.
As part of the union no matter how we vote we'll be ruled by Conservatives. | | | |
| Home Rule on 09:50 - Mar 4 with 822 views | exhmrc1 |
| Home Rule on 21:39 - Mar 3 by Catullus |
I'm talking about Cardiff its;elf, not the wider area. Don't try moving the goalposts on what I said, I specifically said CARDIFF. |
Read Boundy's post the figures applies to South East Wales. It is you who has decided it was Cardiff due to your intense dislike of Cardiff, Drakeford. the Labour Party and the Welsh Government which is evident in your posts. I show it here to make it easier to understand for you.
Last year the figures for new investments in Wales , with 54% in the south east, 24% in north Wales and 23% in mid and south west Wales.
It is not disproportionate given the population unless of course you advocate giving funds to large prorportion of Mid Wales where very few live. | | | |
| Home Rule on 10:00 - Mar 4 with 821 views | johnlangy |
| Home Rule on 16:40 - Mar 3 by exhmrc1 |
As far as your figures nearly 1/2 the population live in South East Wales and I didnt include Bridgend or Merthyr in that so the investment figures in South East Wales are broadly similar to what would be expected on a population share.
In terms of companies for school leavers try just a few
Wall Colmonoy Pontardawe
Inco Clydach
Swansea University
Tata Steel |
Bearing in mind your username are you able to explain the logic of centralising HMRC in Cardiff which includes 460 jobs taken from Swansea. | | | |
| Home Rule on 10:04 - Mar 4 with 820 views | Boundy |
| Home Rule on 22:26 - Mar 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Boundy - do you think Wales is the only nation in the world that cant govern itself ?
Basically I do think that is what you are saying.... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
No where in my posts have I ever indicated let alone stated we couldn't govern ours elves , but you knew that | |
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