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...why, oh why, are the Democrats doing every possible thing they can to stop the State legislature (who has responsibility for overseeing elections in Arizona) from completing a full forensic audit?
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 13:14 - Apr 25 with 1463 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 13:00 - Apr 25 by Professor
Any.
As I said I disagree with a large proportion of what you said, but it’s based on interpretation of evidence. We see it differently. As I recall you also agreed there was not significant fraud to turn the election overall. Indeed, there is recorded evidence of GOP fraud too.
Absolutely.
Although it’s obvious that the large proportion of any fraud would be Democrat based however, due to the large scale postal voting being largely Democrat (which would be the weak area for fraud to take place). But I haven’t seen any compelling evidence that suggests there was large scale fraud and yes of course there would also be examples of GOP fraud.
Some of the security footage is horrific of things being passed discretely/torn up. So would say there was probably more of it in this latest election than any other in history, Trump was polarising and many absolutely despised him, meaning the motive was also stronger this time round. But still, not enough for any significant swings.
But It’s those isolated incidents that need investigating so they can find out to what extent and to stop it from happening in the future.
It is a view that every reasonable thinking person should have regardless of what side of the fence they sit. It’s the protection of democracy.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 13:14 - Apr 25 by Dr_Parnassus
Absolutely.
Although it’s obvious that the large proportion of any fraud would be Democrat based however, due to the large scale postal voting being largely Democrat (which would be the weak area for fraud to take place). But I haven’t seen any compelling evidence that suggests there was large scale fraud and yes of course there would also be examples of GOP fraud.
Some of the security footage is horrific of things being passed discretely/torn up. So would say there was probably more of it in this latest election than any other in history, Trump was polarising and many absolutely despised him, meaning the motive was also stronger this time round. But still, not enough for any significant swings.
But It’s those isolated incidents that need investigating so they can find out to what extent and to stop it from happening in the future.
It is a view that every reasonable thinking person should have regardless of what side of the fence they sit. It’s the protection of democracy.
How do we know it wasn't enough to corrupt the result of the election if it isn't properly investigated. There needs to be forensic audits everywhere that corruption was alleged. Intimidation of voters and election officials must never happen again. Postal voting must be the exception for those who have good reason, and these people need to turn up in person, providing ID when they collect their postal vote. There is nothing "racist" about requiring ID, most of the corporations that have come out in favour of the Democrats, calling voter ID "racist" require ID of their customers themselves.
I think there are a few States who are watching Maricopa County and will use what they did as the blueprint to finally get to the bottom of all this.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 13:37 - Apr 25 with 1449 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 13:30 - Apr 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
How do we know it wasn't enough to corrupt the result of the election if it isn't properly investigated. There needs to be forensic audits everywhere that corruption was alleged. Intimidation of voters and election officials must never happen again. Postal voting must be the exception for those who have good reason, and these people need to turn up in person, providing ID when they collect their postal vote. There is nothing "racist" about requiring ID, most of the corporations that have come out in favour of the Democrats, calling voter ID "racist" require ID of their customers themselves.
I think there are a few States who are watching Maricopa County and will use what they did as the blueprint to finally get to the bottom of all this.
We don’t, just appears unlikely.
As for voter ID laws being racist, I always laugh at that. It’s such a racist narrative in the first place usually held by white liberals - to think African Americans don’t have ID or cannot get ID, I mean how offensive is that? Every state that requires ID to vote, ID is free.
There was a video done where a guy went into Harlem and asked the community there if they have ID or if they know anyone without ID. The response was blank looks asking why on earth people would think they don’t have ID. Was cringeworthy.
Edit - it’s here
[Post edited 25 Apr 2021 13:39]
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 13:37 - Apr 25 by Dr_Parnassus
We don’t, just appears unlikely.
As for voter ID laws being racist, I always laugh at that. It’s such a racist narrative in the first place usually held by white liberals - to think African Americans don’t have ID or cannot get ID, I mean how offensive is that? Every state that requires ID to vote, ID is free.
There was a video done where a guy went into Harlem and asked the community there if they have ID or if they know anyone without ID. The response was blank looks asking why on earth people would think they don’t have ID. Was cringeworthy.
Edit - it’s here
[Post edited 25 Apr 2021 13:39]
Mate, they know everybody has ID in a modern society. It is just the excuse they use to justify relaxing the voter laws. Why do they want to relax the voter laws? Because they need to cheat to win.
Why do they want open borders with Mexico? Because they believe approx. 70% of the people coming in will vote Democrat..if the Republican controlled states have any sense they will refuse to take any of these illegal migrants, let California take them all.
None of these things are an accident, they are trying to game the system, because their vote has collapsed. Trump smashed them at the last election is the truth...not because he was hugely popular, but rather because the actions of the Democrats was hugely unpopular...people tend not to vote for anarchy, violence and lies (see Russia hoax).
I'm just waiting for the arseholes to start trying to implement a similar game plan here, as their vote has collapsed here also.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:07 - Apr 25 with 1416 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:05 - Apr 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
Mate, they know everybody has ID in a modern society. It is just the excuse they use to justify relaxing the voter laws. Why do they want to relax the voter laws? Because they need to cheat to win.
Why do they want open borders with Mexico? Because they believe approx. 70% of the people coming in will vote Democrat..if the Republican controlled states have any sense they will refuse to take any of these illegal migrants, let California take them all.
None of these things are an accident, they are trying to game the system, because their vote has collapsed. Trump smashed them at the last election is the truth...not because he was hugely popular, but rather because the actions of the Democrats was hugely unpopular...people tend not to vote for anarchy, violence and lies (see Russia hoax).
I'm just waiting for the arseholes to start trying to implement a similar game plan here, as their vote has collapsed here also.
Who gives a flying fvck 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:09 - Apr 25 with 1415 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:07 - Apr 25 by Fireboy2
Who gives a flying fvck 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
You obviously.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:14 - Apr 25 with 1413 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:05 - Apr 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
Mate, they know everybody has ID in a modern society. It is just the excuse they use to justify relaxing the voter laws. Why do they want to relax the voter laws? Because they need to cheat to win.
Why do they want open borders with Mexico? Because they believe approx. 70% of the people coming in will vote Democrat..if the Republican controlled states have any sense they will refuse to take any of these illegal migrants, let California take them all.
None of these things are an accident, they are trying to game the system, because their vote has collapsed. Trump smashed them at the last election is the truth...not because he was hugely popular, but rather because the actions of the Democrats was hugely unpopular...people tend not to vote for anarchy, violence and lies (see Russia hoax).
I'm just waiting for the arseholes to start trying to implement a similar game plan here, as their vote has collapsed here also.
Well yes I don’t disagree.
But there are more registered Democrats in America than Republicans so not sure they need to do it to win, but it’s clear they certainly think it may be favourable to them, which is entirely logical.
The court packing, the lowering age of voting and increasing the states to include Puerto Rico with its own electoral college vote delegation is the real danger that they want to change to sway things in their favour. Those things may well sway elections for the rest of time.
But yes, illegals voting is also something that ID voting would stop and of course that would largely affect the Democrats negatively. Most things they want or don’t want to implement will be under the guise of race in some form or other. That much is clear.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:14 - Apr 25 by Dr_Parnassus
Well yes I don’t disagree.
But there are more registered Democrats in America than Republicans so not sure they need to do it to win, but it’s clear they certainly think it may be favourable to them, which is entirely logical.
The court packing, the lowering age of voting and increasing the states to include Puerto Rico with its own electoral college vote delegation is the real danger that they want to change to sway things in their favour. Those things may well sway elections for the rest of time.
But yes, illegals voting is also something that ID voting would stop and of course that would largely affect the Democrats negatively. Most things they want or don’t want to implement will be under the guise of race in some form or other. That much is clear.
It's funny isn't it, the Left across the West would like it if 16yr olds were given the vote. Yet when one commits a crime (see Ma'kiyah Bryant) they change the goalposts and claim that a 16yr old is only a child. Funny that.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:27 - Apr 25 with 1402 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:15 - Apr 25 by Fireboy2
Honestly I don't, I just like coming on now and again and telling certain people they are sad b@sards who have too much time on their hands.
Btw you are sad b@stard with too much time on your hands.
...and you are sad and thick.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:36 - Apr 25 with 1397 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:26 - Apr 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
It's funny isn't it, the Left across the West would like it if 16yr olds were given the vote. Yet when one commits a crime (see Ma'kiyah Bryant) they change the goalposts and claim that a 16yr old is only a child. Funny that.
The democrats largely control pop culture and media, that’s the issue with the age thing.
They falsely work under the guise of social justice which these celebrity figures largely have to adhere to for their image. Everyone knows how to play the game in Hollywood etc
That’s the thing. If Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus or Billie Eilish send out one of their coma inducing tweets that reak of someone not understanding politics or complex social and socioeconomic situations - we don’t really want hundreds of thousands of kids sticking their vote in as a result.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 14:27 - Apr 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
...and you are sad and thick.
You are wasting your time, the majority of posters on here are too insular to realize that what happened in the USA is going to affect the UK and them big time in the near future. Most of them are suffering severe TDS and believe everything the mass media writes about him, the election and the Capitol building invasion. There isn't a critical thinker amongst them. I presented masses of election fraud evidence and they just repeat the mass media comments. None of them actually wanted to know and still don't, because it gort rid of Trump it doesn't matter how they did it.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:39 - Apr 25 with 1367 views
"Senate leaders have said the process is intended only to explore ways to improve the state’s elections, rather than to cast doubt on Biden’s 10,457-vote victory in Arizona over Donald Trump.
But the recount has come under sharp criticism from election observers, voting rights advocates and Democrats, who have said it lacks independent oversight and could be used to further baseless claims about the 2020 election.
GOP senators have handed over management and funding of the quasi-public process to a private cybersecurity firm from Florida called Cyber Ninjas, whose chief executive has echoed false claims about fraud in the election.
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:39 - Apr 25 by DJack
"Senate leaders have said the process is intended only to explore ways to improve the state’s elections, rather than to cast doubt on Biden’s 10,457-vote victory in Arizona over Donald Trump.
But the recount has come under sharp criticism from election observers, voting rights advocates and Democrats, who have said it lacks independent oversight and could be used to further baseless claims about the 2020 election.
GOP senators have handed over management and funding of the quasi-public process to a private cybersecurity firm from Florida called Cyber Ninjas, whose chief executive has echoed false claims about fraud in the election.
1) They are interested in whether fraud was committed so they can fix it.
2) "Election Observers", who are they exactly?
3) "Voting Rights Advocates" - Who are they and why would they be concerned about fraudulent votes being counted. Voters don't have a right to cheat.
4) "Democrats" (an oxymoron these days) - yeah, of course. They are under suspicion.
5) the Democrat officials involved in the process said there was no need for a full forensic audit, as they appointed auditors themselves...it turned out the company they appointed were not auditors, they are literally a company that installs the voting machines and give a certificate 'Yeah, they are working fine'...so forgive me if I don't take their concerns about the integrity of the audit seriously. You don't appoint a fox to look after the hen house (unless you are a corrupt Democrat). The auditors that have been appointed believe they will find fraud and have a good idea of where and how to look.
If they produce evidence that confirms a fraud took place then it will be up to the bodies/organisations/individuals involved that have been accused to defend themselves in a court of law. Where evidence is what should be scrutinised, not emotional outbursts from interested parties.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:17 - Apr 25 with 1355 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:15 - Apr 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
1) They are interested in whether fraud was committed so they can fix it.
2) "Election Observers", who are they exactly?
3) "Voting Rights Advocates" - Who are they and why would they be concerned about fraudulent votes being counted. Voters don't have a right to cheat.
4) "Democrats" (an oxymoron these days) - yeah, of course. They are under suspicion.
5) the Democrat officials involved in the process said there was no need for a full forensic audit, as they appointed auditors themselves...it turned out the company they appointed were not auditors, they are literally a company that installs the voting machines and give a certificate 'Yeah, they are working fine'...so forgive me if I don't take their concerns about the integrity of the audit seriously. You don't appoint a fox to look after the hen house (unless you are a corrupt Democrat). The auditors that have been appointed believe they will find fraud and have a good idea of where and how to look.
If they produce evidence that confirms a fraud took place then it will be up to the bodies/organisations/individuals involved that have been accused to defend themselves in a court of law. Where evidence is what should be scrutinised, not emotional outbursts from interested parties.
K. From my perspective,Trimp had to be removed if only for the fact a preening narcissus was tough to look at.
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:17 - Apr 25 by onehunglow
K. From my perspective,Trimp had to be removed if only for the fact a preening narcissus was tough to look at.
It was a shame it had to be Joe B.
I don't care that Trump lost. I as much as anyone could see the man's faults.
...however, if the Democrats victory was achieved by big tech interference (after they harped on about Russian interference in 2016 - which was never proven, big tech's interference is out in the open), unconstitutional changes to the law, fraudulent postal ballots and voting machines being hacked and vote counts altered (which was done using the 2010 census and a simple algorithm)...then I am afraid that is criminal, and the people of the USA are living under a tyranny. From what I have seen I am convinced that this is the case. I believe I voiced these concerns on the morning after (whilst the 'results' came in....it was the strangest set of results from any US election ever. It is impossible to be a cognisant, intelligent, adult, observer of American politics and not be deeply suspicious of what went on. Truly unprecedented.
Then consider we had lots of eye witness observers who came out and told everybody all of the immoral bullshit they had seen on the day and in the counting centres after...and they came out and said this before Biden was declared the winner (I watched hours of eye witness testimony - sometimes these were serious people who had worked on elections for 40+ years and had no political allegiance)...and add in that these issues were not allowed their day in court, that election results were validated, and then anomalies revealed later...then you have something that STINKS.
If I was a Democrat who truly believed that we won fairly, then I would have been for a national audit of the election, I would not wish to try governing whilst most of the country believe my government is illegitimate...yet they were content to, hiding behind their fence and their national guard in Washington DC. Why? Why are they fighting this audit in pissy little Maricopa so hard and what exactly do they have to hide?
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:55 - Apr 25 with 1348 views
Here is somebody who supports the anti-audit position;
Here is one of the guys behind the audit interviewing somebody who believes he has evidence of fraud;
I'd show you more detail, but a lot of the videos of the whole process seem to either be removed by YouTube or certainly suppressed in the search (I'm not trawling through hundreds of pages to find them)...take my word for it, despite oversight of the election being a competence of the Arizona senate, they have had to fight tooth and nail to get this far...Democrats and their big money backers have used the courts to stall for time.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:58 - Apr 25 with 1346 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:37 - Apr 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
I don't care that Trump lost. I as much as anyone could see the man's faults.
...however, if the Democrats victory was achieved by big tech interference (after they harped on about Russian interference in 2016 - which was never proven, big tech's interference is out in the open), unconstitutional changes to the law, fraudulent postal ballots and voting machines being hacked and vote counts altered (which was done using the 2010 census and a simple algorithm)...then I am afraid that is criminal, and the people of the USA are living under a tyranny. From what I have seen I am convinced that this is the case. I believe I voiced these concerns on the morning after (whilst the 'results' came in....it was the strangest set of results from any US election ever. It is impossible to be a cognisant, intelligent, adult, observer of American politics and not be deeply suspicious of what went on. Truly unprecedented.
Then consider we had lots of eye witness observers who came out and told everybody all of the immoral bullshit they had seen on the day and in the counting centres after...and they came out and said this before Biden was declared the winner (I watched hours of eye witness testimony - sometimes these were serious people who had worked on elections for 40+ years and had no political allegiance)...and add in that these issues were not allowed their day in court, that election results were validated, and then anomalies revealed later...then you have something that STINKS.
If I was a Democrat who truly believed that we won fairly, then I would have been for a national audit of the election, I would not wish to try governing whilst most of the country believe my government is illegitimate...yet they were content to, hiding behind their fence and their national guard in Washington DC. Why? Why are they fighting this audit in pissy little Maricopa so hard and what exactly do they have to hide?
The only problem with any audit now is that they have had nearly 6 months to make a lot of changes. We already know that they have illegally shredded election paperwork and got away with it.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:03 - Apr 25 with 1344 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 16:28 - Apr 25 by A_Fans_Dad
You are wasting your time, the majority of posters on here are too insular to realize that what happened in the USA is going to affect the UK and them big time in the near future. Most of them are suffering severe TDS and believe everything the mass media writes about him, the election and the Capitol building invasion. There isn't a critical thinker amongst them. I presented masses of election fraud evidence and they just repeat the mass media comments. None of them actually wanted to know and still don't, because it gort rid of Trump it doesn't matter how they did it.
Or that we try to live our lives and not be drawn into things that take over our life, things that we cannot control.
Some of you righties want to try it sometime, trust me, you will live longer.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 20:42 - Apr 25 with 1322 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:03 - Apr 25 by Fireboy2
Or that we try to live our lives and not be drawn into things that take over our life, things that we cannot control.
Some of you righties want to try it sometime, trust me, you will live longer.
Yes, of course you are right, that is exactly the attitude taken before all evil blossoms. I'm allright Jack. It is the attitude taken where most evil and suppression is allowed to prosper, it always starts small and is allowed to grow by appeasement. Have you not heard the saying “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke (in a letter addressed to Thomas Mercer). Or how about First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out–because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out– because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.
Well they are coming for you, if you are under 60 you will probably live to see it, the Davos planned great reset has started.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 05:17 - Apr 26 with 1300 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 22:52 - Apr 24 by Catullus
Oh there is definitely bullshit here.
Why are you bringing this up now, we had all this during the election and for weeks afterwards?
This is why nobody cares, it's been done, it's been proven to be nonsense. If you have nothing better to do then feel free but I for one won't be participating in this nonsense any more.
Trump lost, get over it. It's not going to change.
Proven to be nonsense. Are you sure Care to provide the evidence ?
(He She Him)
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 06:57 - Apr 26 with 1283 views
Just sent off my postal vote for the forthcoming WG and PCC elections on the 6th of May, wifey sent hers last week. No need to submit ID or be unable to attend a polling station on the day, all they need is a signature and an application from me to vote by post which they had ages ago.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 08:24 - Apr 26 with 1274 views
Hey Prof, You never did respond. Is the Time article a 'conspiracy'?
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 12:33 - Apr 26 with 1246 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 12:13 - Apr 26 by Ajack_Kerouac
Hey Prof, You never did respond. Is the Time article a 'conspiracy'?
No idea and really don’t care to get involved in more discussion over yesterday’s news. My comments were than Dr P was not basing his argument on conspiracy theories.
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