| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 09:44 - Oct 11 with 1344 views | Catullus |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 09:33 - Oct 11 by felixstowe_jack |
17%:of seriously ill in hospital are unvaccinated pregnant women. Another group who were misled by the antivaxers. |
Be interesting to know what percentage that is of all pregnant women? It would show the risk to mother and unborn baby. |  |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:08 - Oct 11 with 1330 views | Scotia |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 14:42 - Oct 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
This is yet another story about Ivermectin.
Do you remember the post about the Indonesian philanthropist who was issueing Ivermectin and was stopped by the Government who took over from him?
Who promptly followed WHO guidelines and made it for "Clinical Trials only" and relied on their Vaccination programme instead.
Well this is what happened next.
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/07/indonesia-and-the-ivermectin-donation-the-gove
COVID cases rocketed from 7,500 cases and 200 deaths a day to 40,000 cases and 2000 deaths a day in a month.
At which point the Government panicked and released Ivermectin for public use, using the Uttar Pradesh/Dheli/Mexico City style treatment packages from July 12th onwards.
This is what happened after that.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/
Cases dropped from a peak of 56,000 on the 15th of July down to 7,200 on the the 7th of September and a peak of deaths on the 27th of July back down to 200 a day by the 21st of September.
Of course this couldn't possibly have anything whatsoever to do with Ivermectin, as we all know that it doesn't work because prof and scotia have told us so., so it must just be yet another of those coincidences.
Currently only 20% of Indonesians, (277 Million population) have been double and 15% single vaccinated.
I have said since april last year people in West are dying unnecessarily, but I know sod all because I am just a retired engineer. |
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01535-y | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:26 - Oct 11 with 1326 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 14:42 - Oct 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
This is yet another story about Ivermectin.
Do you remember the post about the Indonesian philanthropist who was issueing Ivermectin and was stopped by the Government who took over from him?
Who promptly followed WHO guidelines and made it for "Clinical Trials only" and relied on their Vaccination programme instead.
Well this is what happened next.
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/07/indonesia-and-the-ivermectin-donation-the-gove
COVID cases rocketed from 7,500 cases and 200 deaths a day to 40,000 cases and 2000 deaths a day in a month.
At which point the Government panicked and released Ivermectin for public use, using the Uttar Pradesh/Dheli/Mexico City style treatment packages from July 12th onwards.
This is what happened after that.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/
Cases dropped from a peak of 56,000 on the 15th of July down to 7,200 on the the 7th of September and a peak of deaths on the 27th of July back down to 200 a day by the 21st of September.
Of course this couldn't possibly have anything whatsoever to do with Ivermectin, as we all know that it doesn't work because prof and scotia have told us so., so it must just be yet another of those coincidences.
Currently only 20% of Indonesians, (277 Million population) have been double and 15% single vaccinated.
I have said since april last year people in West are dying unnecessarily, but I know sod all because I am just a retired engineer. |
Except you are talking nonsense.
Firstly neither Scotia or I have said Ivermectin does not work-just there was no good evidence it does. So once again you are telling lies.
As told to you ad nauseam, most of the trails are small, underpowered (and as the entertaining BBC hit piece shows) and several have key doubts of the validity off data an several fraudulent.
As yet none of the larger trials have published, though the Canadian-led TOGETHER study in Minas Gerais State, Brazil showed no significant effect and the ivermectin wing was discontinued after 500 or so patients
It is presented here:
https://rethinkingclinicaltrials.org/news/august-6-2021-early-treatment-of-covid
I look forward to what the other large trials show.
Crucially several early adopters of Ivermectin (notably Peru with the worst excess death rate in the world) have abandoned its use
I think you mentioned Peru and Mexico as successes in the past-problem is (like India) their data proved unreliable.
It's glaringly obvious taking reported data gives a massive underestimate of actual deaths and cases' See:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8331176/pdf/elife-69336.pdf
That paper is pretty conservative as the estimates in the Economist are much greater (as much as 16 million deaths). Certainly up to 4 million deaths in India alone, seems reasonable. Also a nice Al Jazeera article on Indonesia which casts doubt on its reported data. It does also seem Delta tends to cause sharp peaks with sharp falls, with the exception of the UK (who unlike the rest of Europe sent unvaccinated kids back to school.
The Economist excess deaths is here, but note many countries have not reported
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Again you just look at data and have no understanding. You really should shut up,.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/16/indonesia-covid-wave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809 | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:30 - Oct 11 with 1322 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 14:42 - Oct 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
This is yet another story about Ivermectin.
Do you remember the post about the Indonesian philanthropist who was issueing Ivermectin and was stopped by the Government who took over from him?
Who promptly followed WHO guidelines and made it for "Clinical Trials only" and relied on their Vaccination programme instead.
Well this is what happened next.
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/07/indonesia-and-the-ivermectin-donation-the-gove
COVID cases rocketed from 7,500 cases and 200 deaths a day to 40,000 cases and 2000 deaths a day in a month.
At which point the Government panicked and released Ivermectin for public use, using the Uttar Pradesh/Dheli/Mexico City style treatment packages from July 12th onwards.
This is what happened after that.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/
Cases dropped from a peak of 56,000 on the 15th of July down to 7,200 on the the 7th of September and a peak of deaths on the 27th of July back down to 200 a day by the 21st of September.
Of course this couldn't possibly have anything whatsoever to do with Ivermectin, as we all know that it doesn't work because prof and scotia have told us so., so it must just be yet another of those coincidences.
Currently only 20% of Indonesians, (277 Million population) have been double and 15% single vaccinated.
I have said since april last year people in West are dying unnecessarily, but I know sod all because I am just a retired engineer. |
And people are dying because of idiots like you spreading lies about vaccines, exaggerating side effects and promoting what appear to be ineffective therapies.
Shameful. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:54 - Oct 11 with 1307 views | onehunglow |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:30 - Oct 11 by Professor |
And people are dying because of idiots like you spreading lies about vaccines, exaggerating side effects and promoting what appear to be ineffective therapies.
Shameful. |
Yep,today pregnant women are urged to vax.
To have them not risk the child .
I cannot believe still people will not take a vaccination for COVID when they would for MMR etc.
It beggars belief | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:09 - Oct 11 with 1283 views | Catullus |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 09:33 - Oct 11 by felixstowe_jack |
17%:of seriously ill in hospital are unvaccinated pregnant women. Another group who were misled by the antivaxers. |
Be interesting to know what percentage that is of all pregnant women? It would show the risk to mother and unborn baby. | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 18:56 - Oct 11 with 1215 views | felixstowe_jack |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:09 - Oct 11 by Catullus |
Be interesting to know what percentage that is of all pregnant women? It would show the risk to mother and unborn baby. |
About 500,000 women in the UK are pregnant at any one time annual births are circa 700,000. | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 21:53 - Oct 11 with 1188 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:26 - Oct 11 by Professor |
Except you are talking nonsense.
Firstly neither Scotia or I have said Ivermectin does not work-just there was no good evidence it does. So once again you are telling lies.
As told to you ad nauseam, most of the trails are small, underpowered (and as the entertaining BBC hit piece shows) and several have key doubts of the validity off data an several fraudulent.
As yet none of the larger trials have published, though the Canadian-led TOGETHER study in Minas Gerais State, Brazil showed no significant effect and the ivermectin wing was discontinued after 500 or so patients
It is presented here:
https://rethinkingclinicaltrials.org/news/august-6-2021-early-treatment-of-covid
I look forward to what the other large trials show.
Crucially several early adopters of Ivermectin (notably Peru with the worst excess death rate in the world) have abandoned its use
I think you mentioned Peru and Mexico as successes in the past-problem is (like India) their data proved unreliable.
It's glaringly obvious taking reported data gives a massive underestimate of actual deaths and cases' See:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8331176/pdf/elife-69336.pdf
That paper is pretty conservative as the estimates in the Economist are much greater (as much as 16 million deaths). Certainly up to 4 million deaths in India alone, seems reasonable. Also a nice Al Jazeera article on Indonesia which casts doubt on its reported data. It does also seem Delta tends to cause sharp peaks with sharp falls, with the exception of the UK (who unlike the rest of Europe sent unvaccinated kids back to school.
The Economist excess deaths is here, but note many countries have not reported
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Again you just look at data and have no understanding. You really should shut up,.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/16/indonesia-covid-wave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809 |
The Together Study, yet another study that you like that does not meet the developed protocols for the drug in question's treatment of COVID.
All the promotors of Ivermectin suggest 0.6mg/kg dose for a "5 day course" or "5 days or until recovered", in other words it is not limited to just 5 days. Normally the only time a reduced dose is recommended is when Ivermectin is given in conjunction with other drugs.
So why would the designers of the Together study decide to use 0.6mg/kg dose for just 3 days, reducing the effective overall dose by 40%.
Where is the actual peer reviewed clinical study published?
As for large studies not being published, there are many small studies on NIH Clinical Trials.Gov that have been completed, with no results being published. I wonder why?
Yes let's discuss Peru, using the All Cause Deaths as recommended by the study you listed here.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8331176/pdf/elife-69336.pdf
By May 2020 the all cause excess deaths were running at 600/day when Ivermectin was issued for general use for most states except Lima, which did not start until August.
By November it was reduced to 48/day.
November because that is when the newly elected president restricted the use of Ivermectin along WHO guidelines.
By February 2021 the all cause excess deaths were back up to 600/day.
This is not my data this is from the study conducted by Juan J. Chamie-Quintero, Jennifer A. Hibberd & David E Scheim here
https://osf.io/9egh4/
Referring to your claim about official COVID numbers affecting real world analysis of how successful a medicine is, thanks for confirming how well Ivermectiin did in Dehli and Uttar Pradesh, just as everyone claimed.
And how badly Tamil Nadu did who did not use Ivermectin.
Because the calculations carried out by Christopher Leffler
Preliminary Analysis of Excess Mortality in India during the Covid-19 Pandemic (Update June 27).
Take a look at his analysis Table 4 on page 7.
Dehli, 75.154/100K, Uttar Pradesh 17.031/100K and Tamil Nadu 76.508/100K to 187.670/100K
As for the Aljazeera piece, it documents the reductions in cases and deaths and then speculates about the future.
They critisize their test & trace as not being up to WHO standards, ours doesn't even meet WHO standards.
We have also reduced our testing by about 60% since our peak and we also had masssive changes in the numbers of tests in short periods ie April this year.
As for the BBC as you say it is a "hit" piece. | | | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 08:56 - Oct 12 with 1148 views | felixstowe_jack |
More data on vaccination rates show the 18 to 20 age groups now have a higher vaccination rate than 21 to 25.
Lowest vaccinations rates are in London 75% compared to UK average of 90% and the black ethnic groups 75% compared to white 95%.
A major effort is now needed to get London and the BAME groups vaccinated. | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:03 - Oct 13 with 1073 views | felixstowe_jack |
It seems the antivaxers have been distributing and posting official looking vaccine leaflets around schools and hospitals. They posters contain lies and incorrect information in the hope that it will persuade children not to get vaccinated.
How low can the antivaxers go. | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:39 - Oct 13 with 1047 views | RonaldStump |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:03 - Oct 13 by felixstowe_jack |
It seems the antivaxers have been distributing and posting official looking vaccine leaflets around schools and hospitals. They posters contain lies and incorrect information in the hope that it will persuade children not to get vaccinated.
How low can the antivaxers go. |
You think it's acceptable to play russian roulette with children's lives?
You know yourself there is no data on long term efficacy.
You make me physically sick | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:41 - Oct 13 with 1050 views | Scotia |
There is a mobile unit offering on the spot boosters to those eligible outside St Davids Church in Morriston today.
My parents have just had theirs. I'm very relieved.
Head down there if you need one. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 13:55 - Oct 13 with 1020 views | felixstowe_jack |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:39 - Oct 13 by RonaldStump |
You think it's acceptable to play russian roulette with children's lives?
You know yourself there is no data on long term efficacy.
You make me physically sick |
Plenty of evidence to say it wl prevent you catching it, being hospitalised, sufferingong covoid and death even for children.
As over a century of giving vaccines has proved they save lives probably over a billion since they were introduced. | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:44 - Oct 13 with 990 views | Gwyn737 |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:03 - Oct 13 by felixstowe_jack |
It seems the antivaxers have been distributing and posting official looking vaccine leaflets around schools and hospitals. They posters contain lies and incorrect information in the hope that it will persuade children not to get vaccinated.
How low can the antivaxers go. |
It's even worse than it sounds - they're approaching children on the way to/from (who are on their own) unsolicited, handing over leaflets and trying to talk to them through it.
In some cases, the children in my area have been as young as 9.
The police have been brilliant and are dealing with it through the Prevent channel. [Post edited 13 Oct 2021 17:46]
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 18:13 - Oct 13 with 974 views | majorraglan |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:44 - Oct 13 by Gwyn737 |
It's even worse than it sounds - they're approaching children on the way to/from (who are on their own) unsolicited, handing over leaflets and trying to talk to them through it.
In some cases, the children in my area have been as young as 9.
The police have been brilliant and are dealing with it through the Prevent channel. [Post edited 13 Oct 2021 17:46]
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What is wrong with these people? If they don’t want to have the vaccine then it’s disappointing, but it’s their choice, but to go round engaging with kids and giving them leaflets is despicable. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 21:27 - Oct 13 with 938 views | Scotia |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 18:13 - Oct 13 by majorraglan |
What is wrong with these people? If they don’t want to have the vaccine then it’s disappointing, but it’s their choice, but to go round engaging with kids and giving them leaflets is despicable. |
I think they are getting desperate to spread their nonsense amongst the most impressionable.
It's clear, and getting clearer, that the vaccines are safe and effective.
The anti vax brigade are brainwashed and targeting the vulnerable to further their propaganda. They've run out of stupid adults so they are targeting kids. It's disgraceful. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:30 - Oct 14 with 878 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Let me be clear from the start, I do not condone anyone interfering with the Parental choice for their Kids and these so called anti-vaxxers are completely wrong to do what they have been doing.
I am also not anti safe appropriate vaccines.
What is clear is what a bunch of flaming hypocrites you all are though.
What happened to follow the science?
The science as established by the UK JCVI is that Children aged from 12 - 15 do not benefit from the COVID Vaccine and therefore it should not be given to them due to possible risks.
Yet you are quite happy to accept every Tom, Dick, Harry, Boris, newspaper, tv presenter, teachers and yourselves urging those same kids to have the vaccine when the science says that they shouldn't.
Not to protect their health because the science says it doesn't, but to protect youselves.
Double standards much. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:37 - Oct 14 with 879 views | Scotia |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:30 - Oct 14 by A_Fans_Dad |
Let me be clear from the start, I do not condone anyone interfering with the Parental choice for their Kids and these so called anti-vaxxers are completely wrong to do what they have been doing.
I am also not anti safe appropriate vaccines.
What is clear is what a bunch of flaming hypocrites you all are though.
What happened to follow the science?
The science as established by the UK JCVI is that Children aged from 12 - 15 do not benefit from the COVID Vaccine and therefore it should not be given to them due to possible risks.
Yet you are quite happy to accept every Tom, Dick, Harry, Boris, newspaper, tv presenter, teachers and yourselves urging those same kids to have the vaccine when the science says that they shouldn't.
Not to protect their health because the science says it doesn't, but to protect youselves.
Double standards much. |
That's not the case. Giving vaccinations to 12 - 15 year olds is following the science. All of the science.
The JCVI did not state there was no benefit from the covid vaccine, they agreed that there was marginal benefit. The report is here:-
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-1
The JCVI also only considered the health benefits from covid vaccination to the individual, and not the wider social benefits such as less disruption to education, socialisation and physical activity.
When all of this is weighed up the benefits of vaccination is clear. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:28 - Oct 14 with 870 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:37 - Oct 14 by Scotia |
That's not the case. Giving vaccinations to 12 - 15 year olds is following the science. All of the science.
The JCVI did not state there was no benefit from the covid vaccine, they agreed that there was marginal benefit. The report is here:-
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-1
The JCVI also only considered the health benefits from covid vaccination to the individual, and not the wider social benefits such as less disruption to education, socialisation and physical activity.
When all of this is weighed up the benefits of vaccination is clear. |
Is correct. JCVI only focusses on individual benefit. If you look at the population cost -just 12-16 year olds, the rate of infection and the effects on kids wellbeing are massive. This is the choice CMOs made. They look at population and public health. No other developed country is having this debate or having so many liars and fools given a platform | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:35 - Oct 14 with 861 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:28 - Oct 14 by Professor |
Is correct. JCVI only focusses on individual benefit. If you look at the population cost -just 12-16 year olds, the rate of infection and the effects on kids wellbeing are massive. This is the choice CMOs made. They look at population and public health. No other developed country is having this debate or having so many liars and fools given a platform |
And I see this first hand-it's taken six months to get back the regression the absence of physical schooling has had on my son's ASD | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:50 - Oct 14 with 846 views | Catullus |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:30 - Oct 14 by A_Fans_Dad |
Let me be clear from the start, I do not condone anyone interfering with the Parental choice for their Kids and these so called anti-vaxxers are completely wrong to do what they have been doing.
I am also not anti safe appropriate vaccines.
What is clear is what a bunch of flaming hypocrites you all are though.
What happened to follow the science?
The science as established by the UK JCVI is that Children aged from 12 - 15 do not benefit from the COVID Vaccine and therefore it should not be given to them due to possible risks.
Yet you are quite happy to accept every Tom, Dick, Harry, Boris, newspaper, tv presenter, teachers and yourselves urging those same kids to have the vaccine when the science says that they shouldn't.
Not to protect their health because the science says it doesn't, but to protect youselves.
Double standards much. |
Ok lets face that accusation head on. I may be in the minority here but when I talked to my 13 year old son about the vax I told him straight, the vax probably wouldn't do much for him, it was more to protect me.
His answer was pretty instant and clear because for some strange reason he loves me and wants to do whatever he can to protect me.
I gave my son his own choice and other people need to respect HIS choice. | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 13:11 - Oct 14 with 836 views | RonaldStump |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:50 - Oct 14 by Catullus |
Ok lets face that accusation head on. I may be in the minority here but when I talked to my 13 year old son about the vax I told him straight, the vax probably wouldn't do much for him, it was more to protect me.
His answer was pretty instant and clear because for some strange reason he loves me and wants to do whatever he can to protect me.
I gave my son his own choice and other people need to respect HIS choice. |
ITS NOT A VACCINE
It’s a synthetic experimental injection mRNA spike protein with toxic graphene oxide in every organ in every blood cell contaminating bloodstream and immune system to not function as designed
Injection does not prevent covid
Injection does not cure covid
Injected can still get covid
99% survival without synthetic experimental injection
IVERMECTIN CURES
Doctors not using ivermectin are killing their patients
Synthetic experimental injection do not cure covid
Do not prevent covid
You can still get covid
Contaminates your immune system to not function as designed
Death
Strokes
Thrombosis
blood clots
Enlarged hearts
Rashes
Crippling
Mental disorders
Toxic graphene oxide in injection
SM-102 antifreeze in injection
Anaphylaxis shock causes death
Effects women’s reproductive system
Transmission of spike protein to other people
Spike protein in every organ
Spike protein in every cell
Needs new injection for variants (BS)
All test animals died with spike protein injection
IVERMECTIN does not need new injection for variants it has it all already
Allows immune system to function as designed
Cures covid
Prevents covid
No transmission to other people
No spike proteins in organs or blood cells
In 2015 Ivermectin won Nobel Prize for medicine
Anti inflammatory
Anti viral
IVERMECTIN
interferes with the attachment of the spike protein to the ACE2 receptor attaching cysteine on the spike protein, disabling its ability to form into a protein that will readily bond to the ACE2 receptor.
IVERMECTIN CURES | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 13:16 - Oct 14 with 833 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 13:11 - Oct 14 by RonaldStump |
ITS NOT A VACCINE
It’s a synthetic experimental injection mRNA spike protein with toxic graphene oxide in every organ in every blood cell contaminating bloodstream and immune system to not function as designed
Injection does not prevent covid
Injection does not cure covid
Injected can still get covid
99% survival without synthetic experimental injection
IVERMECTIN CURES
Doctors not using ivermectin are killing their patients
Synthetic experimental injection do not cure covid
Do not prevent covid
You can still get covid
Contaminates your immune system to not function as designed
Death
Strokes
Thrombosis
blood clots
Enlarged hearts
Rashes
Crippling
Mental disorders
Toxic graphene oxide in injection
SM-102 antifreeze in injection
Anaphylaxis shock causes death
Effects women’s reproductive system
Transmission of spike protein to other people
Spike protein in every organ
Spike protein in every cell
Needs new injection for variants (BS)
All test animals died with spike protein injection
IVERMECTIN does not need new injection for variants it has it all already
Allows immune system to function as designed
Cures covid
Prevents covid
No transmission to other people
No spike proteins in organs or blood cells
In 2015 Ivermectin won Nobel Prize for medicine
Anti inflammatory
Anti viral
IVERMECTIN
interferes with the attachment of the spike protein to the ACE2 receptor attaching cysteine on the spike protein, disabling its ability to form into a protein that will readily bond to the ACE2 receptor.
IVERMECTIN CURES |
Just xxxx off you WUM.
if you believe half of that, you should be in secure unit. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 13:19 - Oct 14 with 827 views | 73__73 |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:37 - Oct 14 by Scotia |
That's not the case. Giving vaccinations to 12 - 15 year olds is following the science. All of the science.
The JCVI did not state there was no benefit from the covid vaccine, they agreed that there was marginal benefit. The report is here:-
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-1
The JCVI also only considered the health benefits from covid vaccination to the individual, and not the wider social benefits such as less disruption to education, socialisation and physical activity.
When all of this is weighed up the benefits of vaccination is clear. |
All of the science ? Nonsense | |
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