| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight 17:09 - Sep 27 with 6712 views | magicdaps10 |
Said that he left the minute Ayew left and didn't fancy the challenge ahead in his 3rd year with us.
Unfair or something that you couldn't argue with?
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 11:26 - Sep 29 with 1442 views | ItchySphincter |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 09:22 - Sep 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nope, you got that the wrong way around. Your comment came after my point regarding 80 points, not before it.
I then agreed that yes promotion would indeed surpass it and I was referring to a non promotion season.
You then replied that equaling it would be making the playoffs, which is now what this discussion is about after telling you that I don’t necessarily agree.
Look for yourself:-
So we have long established that we both agree promotion would top Coopers achievements.
We are now discussing your comments regarding playoffs matching it - which is what I disagree with, for the reasons I stated. |
I only really had one point. If there’s something else you want me to discuss leave it with me and I’ll get back to you later. |  |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 11:36 - Sep 29 with 1413 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 11:26 - Sep 29 by ItchySphincter |
I only really had one point. If there’s something else you want me to discuss leave it with me and I’ll get back to you later. |
If you only had one point then why did you make more?  |  |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 13:38 - Sep 29 with 1400 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 11:36 - Sep 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
If you only had one point then why did you make more? |
I would have Quest's pundit team over the multi million pound narcissistic gigglers of the BBC any day. I like the way they bring in Lower league "specialist" trainspotter types that know josh Sheehan's passing stats of the top of their bald heads. Certainly no discrimination against 'baldies' on Quest. |  |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 13:55 - Sep 29 with 1369 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 13:38 - Sep 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I would have Quest's pundit team over the multi million pound narcissistic gigglers of the BBC any day. I like the way they bring in Lower league "specialist" trainspotter types that know josh Sheehan's passing stats of the top of their bald heads. Certainly no discrimination against 'baldies' on Quest. |
I have no time for pundits of any kind, they often make glaring errors and are given script lines to make something of by producers surrounding what would be the most interesting topic of discussion as opposed to most insightful and impactful on the game.
I have the feeds to all the matches without ad breaks, I have the studio and match cameras. The little some of them know about the game is frightening, you can tell that when they are asking their stats men questions to come up with the right graphics in the breaks.
Half the time they don’t even seem to know who is on the pitch and in what position. The half time analysis on matches I record when I’m not at home most certainly gets fast forwarded, put it that way. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 16:49 - Sep 29 with 1329 views | ItchySphincter |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 11:36 - Sep 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
If you only had one point then why did you make more? |
My only point was that if Russ gets us promoted he will have achieved more than Cooper.
You said he had to gain more than 80 points to better Cooper. Your statement is factually incorrect.
Which point that I haven’t made would you like me to discuss with you? | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 16:54 - Sep 29 with 1309 views | onehunglow |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 16:49 - Sep 29 by ItchySphincter |
My only point was that if Russ gets us promoted he will have achieved more than Cooper.
You said he had to gain more than 80 points to better Cooper. Your statement is factually incorrect.
Which point that I haven’t made would you like me to discuss with you? |
If Russ gets us promoted please call in Itch.
Wirral will sink in a decent Chateuneuf du Pape if Russ gets us up. |  |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 17:04 - Sep 29 with 1324 views | ItchySphincter |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 16:54 - Sep 29 by onehunglow |
If Russ gets us promoted please call in Itch.
Wirral will sink in a decent Chateuneuf du Pape if Russ gets us up. |
I’m not saying he will mind. It was just a hypothetical. It wasn’t even particularly debatable a couple of pages ago. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 17:56 - Sep 29 with 1304 views | KeithHaynes |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 16:54 - Sep 29 by onehunglow |
If Russ gets us promoted please call in Itch.
Wirral will sink in a decent Chateuneuf du Pape if Russ gets us up. |
Next season 😉 |  |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 18:18 - Sep 29 with 1268 views | onehunglow |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 17:56 - Sep 29 by KeithHaynes |
Next season 😉 |
HMM.
In that case ,I shall get in Brains SA as I know a few like that shyte | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:46 - Sep 29 with 1245 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 16:49 - Sep 29 by ItchySphincter |
My only point was that if Russ gets us promoted he will have achieved more than Cooper.
You said he had to gain more than 80 points to better Cooper. Your statement is factually incorrect.
Which point that I haven’t made would you like me to discuss with you? |
I agreed with you immediately.
My comment that you replied to was regarding a non promotion season. I clarified that for you right away.
Since then you have said play offs equals it. That’s the discussion. I am saying it depends on the season itself, and what happens if/when we get there.
It’s not a difficult thing to understand.
Anyway. That’s 4 points from 2 games for Cooper after today’s 3-1 away. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:52 - Sep 29 with 1253 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:46 - Sep 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
I agreed with you immediately.
My comment that you replied to was regarding a non promotion season. I clarified that for you right away.
Since then you have said play offs equals it. That’s the discussion. I am saying it depends on the season itself, and what happens if/when we get there.
It’s not a difficult thing to understand.
Anyway. That’s 4 points from 2 games for Cooper after today’s 3-1 away. |
Happy for you Cooper got a good result tonight doc! |  | | |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:53 - Sep 29 with 1240 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:52 - Sep 29 by 34dfgdf54 |
Happy for you Cooper got a good result tonight doc! |
Well it’s always nice to prove a point. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:56 - Sep 29 with 1247 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:53 - Sep 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Well it’s always nice to prove a point. |
Haha we shall see! | | | |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 03:44 - Oct 19 with 1095 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Ian Holloway’s truck was last seen reversing at break neck speed 100mph up the M4.
Colin Murray asking him straight 
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 16:47 - Oct 19 with 937 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 03:44 - Oct 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Ian Holloway’s truck was last seen reversing at break neck speed 100mph up the M4.
Colin Murray asking him straight
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Cooper and Martin neck and neck after settling down in their ways. So who finishes higher Dr P by next May? Cooper or Martin.? Cooper has had a new season bounce for three consecutive seasons before a mid season slump and coming on strong after March.
I am going for Martin to finish 8th and Cooper 10th. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 17:06 - Oct 19 with 923 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 16:47 - Oct 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper and Martin neck and neck after settling down in their ways. So who finishes higher Dr P by next May? Cooper or Martin.? Cooper has had a new season bounce for three consecutive seasons before a mid season slump and coming on strong after March.
I am going for Martin to finish 8th and Cooper 10th. |
Cooper is a fair bit ahead at the moment.
Cooper is on 10 points from 4 games. 2.5 points per game.
Martin is on 14 points from 12 games. 1.16 points per game.
Overall football league record:-
Cooper is on 1.70 ppg (78 point season equivalent)
Martin is on 1.15 ppg (53 point season equivalent)
Martin is currently going at his career average rate for us. That will have to lift considerably.
As for next season, too far away to tell. But Cooper would be favourite if a market existed on who would finish higher, purely based on history. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 18:24 - Oct 19 with 898 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 17:06 - Oct 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Cooper is a fair bit ahead at the moment.
Cooper is on 10 points from 4 games. 2.5 points per game.
Martin is on 14 points from 12 games. 1.16 points per game.
Overall football league record:-
Cooper is on 1.70 ppg (78 point season equivalent)
Martin is on 1.15 ppg (53 point season equivalent)
Martin is currently going at his career average rate for us. That will have to lift considerably.
As for next season, too far away to tell. But Cooper would be favourite if a market existed on who would finish higher, purely based on history. |
What is your prediction for May 2022. Neck and neck at the moment. Your impressive analysis suggests you fancy Cooper to finish well ahead of Martin by the looks of it based on past performance. I believe Martin has much better players in Swansea compared to MK Dons and Martin is on an upward trajectory stats wise.
What does you impressive back catalogue of data tell you will regard to the May 2022 Cooper v Martin finishing positions?. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 19:42 - Oct 19 with 872 views | vetchonian |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 18:24 - Oct 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What is your prediction for May 2022. Neck and neck at the moment. Your impressive analysis suggests you fancy Cooper to finish well ahead of Martin by the looks of it based on past performance. I believe Martin has much better players in Swansea compared to MK Dons and Martin is on an upward trajectory stats wise.
What does you impressive back catalogue of data tell you will regard to the May 2022 Cooper v Martin finishing positions?. |
I reckon Cooper will be ahead of Martin...Cooper plays to get results Martin plays to control possession.
His stats at MK Don's show that
Whilst I enjoyed our win on Sunday ....having watched the game twice over...nothing has changed my view that Martin is instilling into the players that possession is all important. There were many occasions where the ball didn't go beyond the width of the centre circle as we passed it sideways and backwards...there were occadopns when despite being 3 up we passed it back to Hamer from inside the Cardiff half.Cooper has got 10 points from his 4 games this season whilst Martin has 14 from 12 extrapolating that for the remainder of the season....means that based on current points per game Cooper could amass another 90 points to Martin's 42 | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 20:12 - Oct 19 with 851 views | Catullus |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 19:42 - Oct 19 by vetchonian |
I reckon Cooper will be ahead of Martin...Cooper plays to get results Martin plays to control possession.
His stats at MK Don's show that
Whilst I enjoyed our win on Sunday ....having watched the game twice over...nothing has changed my view that Martin is instilling into the players that possession is all important. There were many occasions where the ball didn't go beyond the width of the centre circle as we passed it sideways and backwards...there were occadopns when despite being 3 up we passed it back to Hamer from inside the Cardiff half.Cooper has got 10 points from his 4 games this season whilst Martin has 14 from 12 extrapolating that for the remainder of the season....means that based on current points per game Cooper could amass another 90 points to Martin's 42 |
It's extremely hard to compare us with Forest, the only change there is manager. Here we have the new manager and 9 new players.
Even Forests caretaker manager got a win in his sole game in charge, Forest have a decent squad but Hughton couldn't get a tune from them. Cooper has undeniably done well thus far.
Martin is playing catch up and, despite what some are saying, we have been improving, the signs have been there it's just that a few people want to knock whats happening, have no patience and/or still love Cooper.
The change has happened, some people need to move on. Martin is our manager, maybe we should all just support him properly until he no longer deserves it? | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 20:25 - Oct 19 with 850 views | vetchonian |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 20:12 - Oct 19 by Catullus |
It's extremely hard to compare us with Forest, the only change there is manager. Here we have the new manager and 9 new players.
Even Forests caretaker manager got a win in his sole game in charge, Forest have a decent squad but Hughton couldn't get a tune from them. Cooper has undeniably done well thus far.
Martin is playing catch up and, despite what some are saying, we have been improving, the signs have been there it's just that a few people want to knock whats happening, have no patience and/or still love Cooper.
The change has happened, some people need to move on. Martin is our manager, maybe we should all just support him properly until he no longer deserves it? |
yes Cat we are behind Martin yet comparisons will be made
ironically our 3rd goal on Sunday was in the style of what people criticised Cooper of kicking the ball long into the channels....
I'm still not convinced Martin will deliver results despite controlling possession and giving us lots of passing..he has my support just as Bradley,Clement Kevin Cullis,c
Colin Appleton as they were the managers of my club but that doesnt make him exempt from my critique...time will tell...but I also do not comply with this he needs time crap...as you say he has new players, players chosen to fit his style all season we have had high possession stats so he has made that change...but as we saw on Sunday we spend a lot of the time passing sideways and backwards....lets see how we do tomorrow I'll settle for a draw.... | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 20:48 - Oct 19 with 837 views | Fireboy2 |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 19:42 - Oct 19 by vetchonian |
I reckon Cooper will be ahead of Martin...Cooper plays to get results Martin plays to control possession.
His stats at MK Don's show that
Whilst I enjoyed our win on Sunday ....having watched the game twice over...nothing has changed my view that Martin is instilling into the players that possession is all important. There were many occasions where the ball didn't go beyond the width of the centre circle as we passed it sideways and backwards...there were occadopns when despite being 3 up we passed it back to Hamer from inside the Cardiff half.Cooper has got 10 points from his 4 games this season whilst Martin has 14 from 12 extrapolating that for the remainder of the season....means that based on current points per game Cooper could amass another 90 points to Martin's 42 |
I've noticed you only post when we lose or when someone posts something about your lover.
You are so predictable, if you love cooper so much why don't you just support the team he manages. |  | | |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:30 - Oct 19 with 814 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 09:18 - Sep 29 by ItchySphincter |
I’ve just stated a true fact - promotion would better the achievement of Cooper, regardless of how many points it takes - it’s not an argument, just a true fact that followed your comment that Russ would have to surpass Cooper’s 80 points to improve.
If you need further clarity just ask. ðŸ‘🻠|
I think the cooperboys value points above promotion . Never mind an extra 150 million plus in the clubs coffers let’s just stay in the championship and gaze at our navels……..
To them failure = success |  |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 23:25 - Oct 19 with 761 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 18:24 - Oct 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What is your prediction for May 2022. Neck and neck at the moment. Your impressive analysis suggests you fancy Cooper to finish well ahead of Martin by the looks of it based on past performance. I believe Martin has much better players in Swansea compared to MK Dons and Martin is on an upward trajectory stats wise.
What does you impressive back catalogue of data tell you will regard to the May 2022 Cooper v Martin finishing positions?. |
I’m not sure what you mean by “neck and neck”.
It seems you are comparing Forest to Swansea as opposed to Cooper to Martin. So you will have to clarify who we are comparing before I give an answer.
As I said, Forest are neck and neck on points with Swansea, yes… but Cooper is ahead of Martin. One has a 2.5 point per game return, the other has a 1.16. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 23:29 - Oct 19 with 758 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 21:30 - Oct 19 by Brynmill_Jack |
I think the cooperboys value points above promotion . Never mind an extra 150 million plus in the clubs coffers let’s just stay in the championship and gaze at our navels……..
To them failure = success |
Points and promotion are extremely correlated.
Not sure what you mean by valuing points over promotion. Promotion of course would be taken every day of the week over a higher points tally. But assuming we don’t get promotion, then the more points we amass the better.
If not getting promotion after reaching the playoffs is “failure” then not getting to the playoffs must be a catastrophe. | |
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| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 23:39 - Oct 19 with 746 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Holloway knocks Steve Cooper for lack of fight on 23:25 - Oct 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
I’m not sure what you mean by “neck and neck”.
It seems you are comparing Forest to Swansea as opposed to Cooper to Martin. So you will have to clarify who we are comparing before I give an answer.
As I said, Forest are neck and neck on points with Swansea, yes… but Cooper is ahead of Martin. One has a 2.5 point per game return, the other has a 1.16. |
I regard both clubs in similar positions. Good squads. One partly rebuilt after two successful seasons one re energised after missing out on a playoff 18 months ago. Cooper has Brennan Johnson one of the potential stars of the division and good strikers. Johnson might get sold in January.
Until tonight on equal points. Both on an apparent upward trajectory. I have not looked on the bookies odds but perhaps they are currently evenly matched?
Both managers are relatively inexperienced with Cooper a background in youth football and an extra season. Point rations over a handfull of games is indicative but his is a marathon.
Which team do you think will finish higher in May 2022? I believe Cooper is having his early bounce seen in both his two seasons at Swansea. I like to think Martin's ways are more sustainable and long lasting. I believe Swansea will finish above Forest. Copper believes Forest was a better bet for him.
Which club in your opinion will finish higher based on the tools and knowledge at your disposal? This will in my opinion give an indication as to the relative quality of the managers. | |
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