| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? 14:55 - Dec 19 with 6635 views | KeithHaynes |
Corny’s latest for me is reassuring. |  |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:36 - Dec 22 with 1626 views | BillyChong |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 14:43 - Dec 22 by max936 |
If that's the case I hope we're charging Spurs interest at 5% or whatever it is, same rate as Silverstein is charging the club. |
Surely we are losing money on the deal now we’ve had to take out a loan to retrieve the monies early. That won’t come without any charges or fees from the Kent professionals that our friend Res often refers to. The Rodon deal really was poor bargaining on our side. |  | | |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:47 - Dec 22 with 1604 views | max936 |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:36 - Dec 22 by BillyChong |
Surely we are losing money on the deal now we’ve had to take out a loan to retrieve the monies early. That won’t come without any charges or fees from the Kent professionals that our friend Res often refers to. The Rodon deal really was poor bargaining on our side. |
Levy's reputation goes before him, shrewd isn't the word. |  |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:50 - Dec 22 with 1600 views | Chief |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:36 - Dec 22 by BillyChong |
Surely we are losing money on the deal now we’ve had to take out a loan to retrieve the monies early. That won’t come without any charges or fees from the Kent professionals that our friend Res often refers to. The Rodon deal really was poor bargaining on our side. |
Trevor Birch was at Spurs at the time too |  |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:59 - Dec 22 with 1593 views | max936 |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:50 - Dec 22 by Chief |
Trevor Birch was at Spurs at the time too |
I forgot about that. | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 08:57 - Dec 23 with 1540 views | KeithHaynes |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:36 - Dec 22 by BillyChong |
Surely we are losing money on the deal now we’ve had to take out a loan to retrieve the monies early. That won’t come without any charges or fees from the Kent professionals that our friend Res often refers to. The Rodon deal really was poor bargaining on our side. |
I think he could go permanently next month.
Sell on ? | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:18 - Dec 23 with 1515 views | Whiterockin |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 08:57 - Dec 23 by KeithHaynes |
I think he could go permanently next month.
Sell on ? |
"Sell on".
Hopefully.
What are the rules on outstanding monies owed if you sell the player. Do they have to be paid up or is the debt ongoing. |  | | |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 08:57 - Jan 5 with 1352 views | MoscowJack |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:47 - Dec 22 by max936 |
Levy's reputation goes before him, shrewd isn't the word. |
That's a myth. Levy gets screwed as much as most Chairmen.
Currently, he's still paying Pochettino, Mourinho, Nuno and Antonio Conte and will be for another 18 months!
Yes, he's a tough negotiator, but equally capable of making mistakes as most...... | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:02 - Jan 5 with 1343 views | MoscowJack |
My guess with Silverstein is that he wants to up his % in the club and wants a hands-on, see for himself, type of view of how the club is run.
Is he looking for some obvious and glaring errors that he thinks could transform the club, as many potential business buyers would? Quick wins, so to speak.....
Is he looking at how solid the club really is, in real life, so that he knows any further investment isn't going to be wasted on a club heading for League 1?
That's what I think.......
His involvement with transfers is probably one of learning where his money goes and how. It's natural for a business person coming from outside of football as transfer fees, agent fees and wages are the biggest cost to most clubs.
It's strange for him to be spending such a long time in Wales (and unfortunate that there haven't been many games for him to enjoy) so my personal guess would be that he's looking to up his % and maybe completely buy out the other Yanks. Personally, I'd be happy to see the other Yanks out of the club but would hope that Silverstein could bring some additional money with him........ | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 11:13 - Jan 5 with 1240 views | GruffStephens |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:02 - Jan 5 by MoscowJack |
My guess with Silverstein is that he wants to up his % in the club and wants a hands-on, see for himself, type of view of how the club is run.
Is he looking for some obvious and glaring errors that he thinks could transform the club, as many potential business buyers would? Quick wins, so to speak.....
Is he looking at how solid the club really is, in real life, so that he knows any further investment isn't going to be wasted on a club heading for League 1?
That's what I think.......
His involvement with transfers is probably one of learning where his money goes and how. It's natural for a business person coming from outside of football as transfer fees, agent fees and wages are the biggest cost to most clubs.
It's strange for him to be spending such a long time in Wales (and unfortunate that there haven't been many games for him to enjoy) so my personal guess would be that he's looking to up his % and maybe completely buy out the other Yanks. Personally, I'd be happy to see the other Yanks out of the club but would hope that Silverstein could bring some additional money with him........ |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 13:19 - Jan 5 with 1166 views | Chief |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:02 - Jan 5 by MoscowJack |
My guess with Silverstein is that he wants to up his % in the club and wants a hands-on, see for himself, type of view of how the club is run.
Is he looking for some obvious and glaring errors that he thinks could transform the club, as many potential business buyers would? Quick wins, so to speak.....
Is he looking at how solid the club really is, in real life, so that he knows any further investment isn't going to be wasted on a club heading for League 1?
That's what I think.......
His involvement with transfers is probably one of learning where his money goes and how. It's natural for a business person coming from outside of football as transfer fees, agent fees and wages are the biggest cost to most clubs.
It's strange for him to be spending such a long time in Wales (and unfortunate that there haven't been many games for him to enjoy) so my personal guess would be that he's looking to up his % and maybe completely buy out the other Yanks. Personally, I'd be happy to see the other Yanks out of the club but would hope that Silverstein could bring some additional money with him........ |
I very much doubt he'd bid anything near the type of money KandL would accept unless they're prepared to take a huge loss.
I can however see him being over here to test the water and get more information ahead of him potentially converting his loan into shares. | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 14:21 - Jan 5 with 1135 views | MoscowJack |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 13:19 - Jan 5 by Chief |
I very much doubt he'd bid anything near the type of money KandL would accept unless they're prepared to take a huge loss.
I can however see him being over here to test the water and get more information ahead of him potentially converting his loan into shares. |
You're probably right, but he might have some people ready to offer something around £30m plus a bonus of something like £20m or more if/when the Swans get back to the PL.
Yes, it's a loss for the Yanks but it's better than carrying on as they are and risking us going down again........ | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 14:33 - Jan 5 with 1096 views | onehunglow |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:02 - Jan 5 by MoscowJack |
My guess with Silverstein is that he wants to up his % in the club and wants a hands-on, see for himself, type of view of how the club is run.
Is he looking for some obvious and glaring errors that he thinks could transform the club, as many potential business buyers would? Quick wins, so to speak.....
Is he looking at how solid the club really is, in real life, so that he knows any further investment isn't going to be wasted on a club heading for League 1?
That's what I think.......
His involvement with transfers is probably one of learning where his money goes and how. It's natural for a business person coming from outside of football as transfer fees, agent fees and wages are the biggest cost to most clubs.
It's strange for him to be spending such a long time in Wales (and unfortunate that there haven't been many games for him to enjoy) so my personal guess would be that he's looking to up his % and maybe completely buy out the other Yanks. Personally, I'd be happy to see the other Yanks out of the club but would hope that Silverstein could bring some additional money with him........ |
A post all should read.
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 23:59 - Jan 5 with 1031 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 14:21 - Jan 5 by MoscowJack |
You're probably right, but he might have some people ready to offer something around £30m plus a bonus of something like £20m or more if/when the Swans get back to the PL.
Yes, it's a loss for the Yanks but it's better than carrying on as they are and risking us going down again........ |
The US people believe in themselves and have sporting interests in the USA with DC United. They are sports investors. They do not think small like some of their depressive shareholders from Swansea. These jokers project them as asset stripper which they never were.
Swansea got to 90 minutes of the Premier league. The season before Swansea were 1-0 up v 10 man Brentford and blew it by lacking bravery to go for the throat.
Swansea team and shareholders have two chairman who have taken teams to the Premier league by playing good football. The Americans believe they can do it again. Dead wood Welsh losers want out giving a one third of they rightful money away to middle men and agents from English home counties. Shameful.
Two struggling Premeir league teams have been valued at £200m and £205m in the last 6 month and sold. Burnley and Southampton. Twice the 2016 valuation of Swansea.
I am a proud Welshman but from what I can see the Welsh fans group that own 21% lack the faith and the stomach for the fight and want to run away.
The only Welshman backing the club now are the familiar faces that took Swansea from oblivion rat infested rusting shell to state of the art and are laughingly called "sellouts" by the Welsh wimpish moaners. People putting money into the club and sponsoring the stadium. They are also putting cash in fans pockets by subsidising season tickets.
They are not fools and things could change rapidly. The US people have taken a lot of knocks but still scrapping. I respect them. They are constantly undervalued and under rated. They are not going anywhere despite the predictions from Moscow of all places. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 0:01]
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 00:28 - Jan 6 with 1024 views | Chief |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 23:59 - Jan 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The US people believe in themselves and have sporting interests in the USA with DC United. They are sports investors. They do not think small like some of their depressive shareholders from Swansea. These jokers project them as asset stripper which they never were.
Swansea got to 90 minutes of the Premier league. The season before Swansea were 1-0 up v 10 man Brentford and blew it by lacking bravery to go for the throat.
Swansea team and shareholders have two chairman who have taken teams to the Premier league by playing good football. The Americans believe they can do it again. Dead wood Welsh losers want out giving a one third of they rightful money away to middle men and agents from English home counties. Shameful.
Two struggling Premeir league teams have been valued at £200m and £205m in the last 6 month and sold. Burnley and Southampton. Twice the 2016 valuation of Swansea.
I am a proud Welshman but from what I can see the Welsh fans group that own 21% lack the faith and the stomach for the fight and want to run away.
The only Welshman backing the club now are the familiar faces that took Swansea from oblivion rat infested rusting shell to state of the art and are laughingly called "sellouts" by the Welsh wimpish moaners. People putting money into the club and sponsoring the stadium. They are also putting cash in fans pockets by subsidising season tickets.
They are not fools and things could change rapidly. The US people have taken a lot of knocks but still scrapping. I respect them. They are constantly undervalued and under rated. They are not going anywhere despite the predictions from Moscow of all places. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 0:01]
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Here we go again then!!! I see you've once again had that unwarranted and suspicious itch to attack the trust again.
- what shareholders project the Americans as asset strippers? Do you have any quotes from Morgan / Jenkins / the trust on that?
- and that was unfortunately our best chance and likely to be for some time.
- 'losers'? In what sense? What have they lost? Seems another unsubstantiated insult. One third is a figure you've made up. As is the location of said legal professionals (not that it's particularly relevant). Where do the Americans legal team live? I'm not going to make some location up - that would be shameful.
- and both are premier league teams with a more historic pedigree and tenure and possess more assets like stadiums.
- not sure what your nationality or patriotism has to do with any of this. Rather perverse that you claim to love Welsh stuff so much yet never ever criticise the Americans, but always criticise the largest Welsh shareholder. You doth protest too much perhaps.... Taking the Americans to court is the very antithesis of running away. That is squarely fighting for the club. Not meekly sitting back doing nothing that you suspiciously seem so keen for them to do.
- well they did sellout. To stare that is fact. Not wimpish. You're trying very hard to be insulting tonight Resloven. What's happened? Are you ok? Well let's not get too carried away, the Americans literally couldn't give the naming rights away. Morgan saw an easy opportunity, but fair play to him. You mean the clubs funds are subsiding season ticket prices - it's money the club has to pay back with interest. And all this point could be completely false - we don't know for sure Morgan / Jenkins have losned the club money. The trust have requested such information, but as you know, the Americans won't provide it, which is a shame I'm sure you'll agree?
- Some of those knocks self inflicted mind you. But yes there are worse owners out there, especially since they've realised to leave the running of the club to professionals.
I note there's no mention in your post of the reasons why Silverstein is over here currently which was the topic of conversation before you flew it one of your generic, unwarranted stock posts. You wouldn't want to be accused of deraiking another thread my Neath Valley comrade. | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:00 - Jan 6 with 950 views | BillyChong |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 23:59 - Jan 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The US people believe in themselves and have sporting interests in the USA with DC United. They are sports investors. They do not think small like some of their depressive shareholders from Swansea. These jokers project them as asset stripper which they never were.
Swansea got to 90 minutes of the Premier league. The season before Swansea were 1-0 up v 10 man Brentford and blew it by lacking bravery to go for the throat.
Swansea team and shareholders have two chairman who have taken teams to the Premier league by playing good football. The Americans believe they can do it again. Dead wood Welsh losers want out giving a one third of they rightful money away to middle men and agents from English home counties. Shameful.
Two struggling Premeir league teams have been valued at £200m and £205m in the last 6 month and sold. Burnley and Southampton. Twice the 2016 valuation of Swansea.
I am a proud Welshman but from what I can see the Welsh fans group that own 21% lack the faith and the stomach for the fight and want to run away.
The only Welshman backing the club now are the familiar faces that took Swansea from oblivion rat infested rusting shell to state of the art and are laughingly called "sellouts" by the Welsh wimpish moaners. People putting money into the club and sponsoring the stadium. They are also putting cash in fans pockets by subsidising season tickets.
They are not fools and things could change rapidly. The US people have taken a lot of knocks but still scrapping. I respect them. They are constantly undervalued and under rated. They are not going anywhere despite the predictions from Moscow of all places. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 0:01]
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90 minutes from the premier league yet the infantry provided for the battle from the owners were two crocked American imports who’d never played English football.
How much are the owners paying middle men from the English Home Counties to retrieve the Rodon money early? A result of their poor bargaining skills | | | |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:06 - Jan 6 with 931 views | Chief |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:00 - Jan 6 by BillyChong |
90 minutes from the premier league yet the infantry provided for the battle from the owners were two crocked American imports who’d never played English football.
How much are the owners paying middle men from the English Home Counties to retrieve the Rodon money early? A result of their poor bargaining skills |
Australian bankers are ok apparently | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 14:08 - Jan 6 with 836 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 09:06 - Jan 6 by Chief |
Australian bankers are ok apparently |
Not paying them 30-35% of everything they have accumulated over 20 years of the greatest era in Swansea city's history. Not comparable at all in fact. Funders /legal fees £6m to £7m is it? No one will say. The SCST is currently worth about £8m.
Silverstein has flown in and fans are hoping he will give the club some cash. They are not children waiting for a Christmas.
The SCST were worth £21m in 2016 but did not sell. They have £880k. Put £440k in the Convertible loan note and buy Fisher. (or is it better to get a paltry £610 off Santander for it? ) You know how the "Hen Fermwr" thinks. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 14:10]
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 14:28 - Jan 6 with 821 views | Chief |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 14:08 - Jan 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Not paying them 30-35% of everything they have accumulated over 20 years of the greatest era in Swansea city's history. Not comparable at all in fact. Funders /legal fees £6m to £7m is it? No one will say. The SCST is currently worth about £8m.
Silverstein has flown in and fans are hoping he will give the club some cash. They are not children waiting for a Christmas.
The SCST were worth £21m in 2016 but did not sell. They have £880k. Put £440k in the Convertible loan note and buy Fisher. (or is it better to get a paltry £610 off Santander for it? ) You know how the "Hen Fermwr" thinks. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 14:10]
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- How do you know what they're paying the Australian bank for an advance then? It's no doubt going to be a hefty sum. It could be 30-35% of a fee for a player has spent years nurturing.
- well you don't know the fees either party are paying so feel free not compare or comment at all if you wish. The trust maybe worth £8mill now but even after your unsubstantiated domesday predictions of costs they'll come out with more than £8mill.
- Take it up with those fans. As I've said, if the club's finances aren't conducive to it, I hope we don't sign anyone. But glad that's fairly on point.
- They may have been worth 21mill but they had no bid of that price from any party.
- they can't loan the club money without permission of the majority shareholders. They are keeping the trust in the dark over convertible loans already put in. Probably because they don't want the trust being involved because that means Silverstein will have less of a shareholding left to dilute. Think about it. So take it up with the Americans as to why this idea of yours is completely unfeasible. They are the blockers. | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 15:14 - Jan 6 with 782 views | BillyChong |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 14:08 - Jan 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Not paying them 30-35% of everything they have accumulated over 20 years of the greatest era in Swansea city's history. Not comparable at all in fact. Funders /legal fees £6m to £7m is it? No one will say. The SCST is currently worth about £8m.
Silverstein has flown in and fans are hoping he will give the club some cash. They are not children waiting for a Christmas.
The SCST were worth £21m in 2016 but did not sell. They have £880k. Put £440k in the Convertible loan note and buy Fisher. (or is it better to get a paltry £610 off Santander for it? ) You know how the "Hen Fermwr" thinks. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 14:10]
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Res, don’t you agree that something is amiss when the yanks can’t scrape a few coins from behind their big sofas for what’s a relatively loose change/pocket money level fee for Fisher? These level of fees were what we were paying for the likes of Amankwaah and Rory Fallon over a decade ago in League One. Even the most biased star spangled eyed amongst us can see that we’re going backwards under the owners tipped to take us to the ‘next level’. | | | |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 15:37 - Jan 6 with 756 views | Chief |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 15:14 - Jan 6 by BillyChong |
Res, don’t you agree that something is amiss when the yanks can’t scrape a few coins from behind their big sofas for what’s a relatively loose change/pocket money level fee for Fisher? These level of fees were what we were paying for the likes of Amankwaah and Rory Fallon over a decade ago in League One. Even the most biased star spangled eyed amongst us can see that we’re going backwards under the owners tipped to take us to the ‘next level’. |
Unfortunately Resloven is completely incapable of any critical thinking whatsoever in relation to the American owners.
Prove me wrong. | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 15:46 - Jan 6 with 747 views | magicdaps10 |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 15:14 - Jan 6 by BillyChong |
Res, don’t you agree that something is amiss when the yanks can’t scrape a few coins from behind their big sofas for what’s a relatively loose change/pocket money level fee for Fisher? These level of fees were what we were paying for the likes of Amankwaah and Rory Fallon over a decade ago in League One. Even the most biased star spangled eyed amongst us can see that we’re going backwards under the owners tipped to take us to the ‘next level’. |
What proof or basis do we have on this forum that the club can't afford 400k for Fisher?
I am not trying to say that you are wrong but what proof is there or is it just a guess?
My two Bob is, there is money available but there are other areas the club feel they need strengthening rather than signing a goalkeeper presently....... Mainly a right back, centre half and a creative player. It's certainly a juggling act at present but there is money available especially the 400k that is being mentioned. |  |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 16:42 - Jan 6 with 715 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 15:14 - Jan 6 by BillyChong |
Res, don’t you agree that something is amiss when the yanks can’t scrape a few coins from behind their big sofas for what’s a relatively loose change/pocket money level fee for Fisher? These level of fees were what we were paying for the likes of Amankwaah and Rory Fallon over a decade ago in League One. Even the most biased star spangled eyed amongst us can see that we’re going backwards under the owners tipped to take us to the ‘next level’. |
Silverstein is here to get value for money and negotiate hard. This of course is a different subject. Why is the SCST not offering £440k to help the club?. 5% on offer. (33 times what they are getting in Santander).
As Chief said it is zero risk. (as long as the club does not go bust). The long '6 year sulk' is costing them money. | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 16:49 - Jan 6 with 710 views | vetchonian |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 15:46 - Jan 6 by magicdaps10 |
What proof or basis do we have on this forum that the club can't afford 400k for Fisher?
I am not trying to say that you are wrong but what proof is there or is it just a guess?
My two Bob is, there is money available but there are other areas the club feel they need strengthening rather than signing a goalkeeper presently....... Mainly a right back, centre half and a creative player. It's certainly a juggling act at present but there is money available especially the 400k that is being mentioned. |
Started from this below
Our league position isn’t helping us getting players like McAtee on 21:04 - Jan 5 with 946 views GruffStephens
Our league position isn’t helping us getting players like McAtee on 21:00 - Jan 5 by Dr_Parnassus
I made this point months and months ago when people were saying league position doesn't matter, and how its a transition season, work in progress and all that stuff.
The worse you perform the harder it is for any long term plan to come to fruition. Players won't want to come to a team down the bottom, regardless of promises of it turning around in time.
It's not just trying to attract players either, its keeping the ones you have happy. Football is a short career, I can't imagine someone like Piroe (who wants to play at the highest level I assume), being too satisfied or tempted to stay with just a vague promise of ''patience''.
You are forever in a state of rebuilding unless you can show short term success. I know that is not the popular view to have, but unfortunately its also a fact.
Struggling to get the 400k for Fisher, trouble behind the scenes.
Gruff added the comment about the 400K | |
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 16:50 - Jan 6 with 710 views | Chief |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 16:42 - Jan 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Silverstein is here to get value for money and negotiate hard. This of course is a different subject. Why is the SCST not offering £440k to help the club?. 5% on offer. (33 times what they are getting in Santander).
As Chief said it is zero risk. (as long as the club does not go bust). The long '6 year sulk' is costing them money. |
- Let's hope he achieves that and gets business done earlier as has been reported.
- because the trust were excluded from loaning the club money. Take it up with the decision makers. And there's a very logical reason why. think about it. It involves Silverstein.
- correct zero risk. Silverstein could take his loan out tomorrow as far as we know. Or he could wait whenevers convenient or cost effective for him to convert.
And as I predicted no critical thought or comment whatsoever on what you were asked to comment on. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 16:52]
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| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 17:24 - Jan 6 with 679 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Silverstein, I’m confident, are you ? on 16:50 - Jan 6 by Chief |
- Let's hope he achieves that and gets business done earlier as has been reported.
- because the trust were excluded from loaning the club money. Take it up with the decision makers. And there's a very logical reason why. think about it. It involves Silverstein.
- correct zero risk. Silverstein could take his loan out tomorrow as far as we know. Or he could wait whenevers convenient or cost effective for him to convert.
And as I predicted no critical thought or comment whatsoever on what you were asked to comment on. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 16:52]
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As far as I know the SCST have expressed no interest in joining the Convertible loan note They want details but what for? Something for the file perhaps? If they are serious they will get the details no doubt. Their modest investment would not affect Silverstein's holding much if they bought shares with it.
In fact it will not affect it at all as the SCST could take the interest and not buy new shares at all.
There is nothing in their reams of statements where investment in the club is discussed by the members.
From accounts around £250,000 has gone in legal fees since the sale. If put into the CLN that money would have put a big hole in the Fisher fee. I am questioning the members commitment to the club. They claim the future of the club is their sole objective. When the club needs money they declare no interest and ask for "further details". | |
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