| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else 13:49 - Jan 7 with 10666 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
The operational definitions around Covid need to be revised. A 40% incease would account for the increase in hospitalisations in Wales since early December.
Death figures are also going to be inflated.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/sta [Post edited 7 Jan 2022 13:51]
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 09:48 - Jan 15 with 1145 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 23:19 - Jan 14 by 1462jack |
My view is down to personal experience you clown |
Dr Chris Sh*tty is still at it I see. Condescending clown that he is. |  |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 09:54 - Jan 15 with 1135 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 20:58 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
Of course it's a fair comparison, I'm baffled that you think it's not.
How many children died in a mine compared to diphtheria in the 1800's?
How many people died in industrial accidents compared to TB?
How many children died of diphtheria in the UK in 2021?
Add other previously common childhood diseases to that.
How many people died of TB.
Who discovered that vitamin c deficiency caused scurvy and calcium rickets?
It's the evolution of society and medical science that has led to extended life expectancy.
We had the same immune systems in the 1800's and apparently they're fine to battle disease in 2021 but they obviously weren't in the 1800's?
If there is logic in that argument I can't see it. |
Reading this again - you brought up the 1800s - nobody else.
The logic in the argument is that all those vaccinations prevent infection. Covid vaccines do not. In fact there’s a good reason to believe that the vaccines actually enhance susceptibility- the record 200k plus infection rate, higher than at any stage of the pandemic.
Yet you carrry in with your straw man arguments - we can all see the consequences of mass Covid vaccination and it’s exactly the opposite of what we were told WOULD happen. Have a day off is it? | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 09:55 - Jan 15 with 1131 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 08:18 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Vaccination reduce your chaces of catching the virus. If you don't catch it you can't spread it.
A person who has had the booster has 85 to 90% immunity therefore an unvaccinated person is 8 to 9 times more likely to catch and spread it. |
Bullsh*t | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 09:59 - Jan 15 with 1128 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 23:23 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
It's not all about you mind. |
No it’s all about YOU! Are you Darran in disguise??? | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 10:25 - Jan 15 with 1109 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 09:59 - Jan 15 by Brynmill_Jack |
No it’s all about YOU! Are you Darran in disguise??? |
I have no idea who Darren is.
It's all about me, you and everyone else. That's the entire point. |  | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 10:34 - Jan 15 with 1103 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 09:54 - Jan 15 by Brynmill_Jack |
Reading this again - you brought up the 1800s - nobody else.
The logic in the argument is that all those vaccinations prevent infection. Covid vaccines do not. In fact there’s a good reason to believe that the vaccines actually enhance susceptibility- the record 200k plus infection rate, higher than at any stage of the pandemic.
Yet you carrry in with your straw man arguments - we can all see the consequences of mass Covid vaccination and it’s exactly the opposite of what we were told WOULD happen. Have a day off is it? |
I brought up the 1800's because it was claimed that the immune system is enough to deal with covid. It can but medical science has massively helped it.
You keep saying my argument doesn't stand up but provide nothing to support that claim.
Again that post is just rubbish.
The vaccines increase your susceptibility? Based on what? They don't by the way.
You can't seriously believe the level of infection demonstrates that?
Covid vaccines do prevent infection, that is undeniable. They aren't great against preventing omicron infections but very good at preventing illness. That's brilliant. An updated omicron vaccine will prevent many infections. Not 100% no vaccine for anything does.
What are the consequences of mass vaccination and what is evidence to support that claim? I say the consequence is a society able to function as normal without people dying unnecessarily. That's what we were told and that's what's happening. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 11:12 - Jan 15 with 1094 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 10:34 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
I brought up the 1800's because it was claimed that the immune system is enough to deal with covid. It can but medical science has massively helped it.
You keep saying my argument doesn't stand up but provide nothing to support that claim.
Again that post is just rubbish.
The vaccines increase your susceptibility? Based on what? They don't by the way.
You can't seriously believe the level of infection demonstrates that?
Covid vaccines do prevent infection, that is undeniable. They aren't great against preventing omicron infections but very good at preventing illness. That's brilliant. An updated omicron vaccine will prevent many infections. Not 100% no vaccine for anything does.
What are the consequences of mass vaccination and what is evidence to support that claim? I say the consequence is a society able to function as normal without people dying unnecessarily. That's what we were told and that's what's happening. |
Living conditions were appalling back then . . Are you saying that had nothing to do with life expectancy?? Families of 6-10 or more living in tiny terraced houses. Dirty water, raw sewage in waterways and the sea. Industrial pollution at inconceivable levels?
What do “I” base my assertions on?? I base them on government figures, (you know the stuff that Felix trots out every day)on a massive spike in infection despite 90 % of the population over 12 having been jabbed at least once, over 80% being jabbed twice and very nearly 50 % being jabbed 3 times. All this and over 200,0000 infections in one day, the highest in the pandemic.
If you can’t offer a different hypothesis than that to counter my assertions (apart from - that’s rubbish without no evidence of your own) then please stop engaging with me.
Your comments are empty and are - to be honest with you - worthless. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 11:16 - Jan 15 with 1094 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 10:34 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
I brought up the 1800's because it was claimed that the immune system is enough to deal with covid. It can but medical science has massively helped it.
You keep saying my argument doesn't stand up but provide nothing to support that claim.
Again that post is just rubbish.
The vaccines increase your susceptibility? Based on what? They don't by the way.
You can't seriously believe the level of infection demonstrates that?
Covid vaccines do prevent infection, that is undeniable. They aren't great against preventing omicron infections but very good at preventing illness. That's brilliant. An updated omicron vaccine will prevent many infections. Not 100% no vaccine for anything does.
What are the consequences of mass vaccination and what is evidence to support that claim? I say the consequence is a society able to function as normal without people dying unnecessarily. That's what we were told and that's what's happening. |
Still wrong about Immunity.
More information on how it works.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea
It is the only explanation for why some people do not get COVID even though they work on the front line in COVID hospital wards when the majority around them do get it. | | | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:26 - Jan 15 with 1058 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 11:12 - Jan 15 by Brynmill_Jack |
Living conditions were appalling back then . . Are you saying that had nothing to do with life expectancy?? Families of 6-10 or more living in tiny terraced houses. Dirty water, raw sewage in waterways and the sea. Industrial pollution at inconceivable levels?
What do “I” base my assertions on?? I base them on government figures, (you know the stuff that Felix trots out every day)on a massive spike in infection despite 90 % of the population over 12 having been jabbed at least once, over 80% being jabbed twice and very nearly 50 % being jabbed 3 times. All this and over 200,0000 infections in one day, the highest in the pandemic.
If you can’t offer a different hypothesis than that to counter my assertions (apart from - that’s rubbish without no evidence of your own) then please stop engaging with me.
Your comments are empty and are - to be honest with you - worthless. |
I know living conditions were appaling but our immune system is the same isn't it?
As I said before science has made spectacular developments since then including in medicine, you seem to want to accept previous scientific development but believe that associated with covid is BS. Despite having no evidence to back it up.
There is considerably more to it than just figures though, the vaccines were designed against the original variant this is substantially different.
Nobody has claimed it prevents omicron infection, but reduces symptomatic infection. As I said in my previous post. Omicron is also considerably more infectious.
Another reason for the spike in infections is a lack of restrictions compared to last year and a huge increase in testing. Two doses aren't enough in the face of the new variant and waning immunity and a third was needed. Cases increased in those who were too young to have received a booster. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:35 - Jan 15 with 1043 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 11:16 - Jan 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
Still wrong about Immunity.
More information on how it works.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea
It is the only explanation for why some people do not get COVID even though they work on the front line in COVID hospital wards when the majority around them do get it. |
I don't know how that proves I'm wrong about immunity, please enlighten me.
"it's the only explanation"? It involved 52 people for God's sake. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:22 - Jan 15 with 1038 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:35 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
I don't know how that proves I'm wrong about immunity, please enlighten me.
"it's the only explanation"? It involved 52 people for God's sake. |
Give us a plausable explanation for why they didn't get COVID that these so called scientific experts missed.
Here we have you yet again disagreeing with experts when they don't agree with what you think when you do not have any expertise or a counter argument.
So explain how so many people right from the Princess Diamond through to today haven't got COVID even when surrounded by COVID carriers who are infecting others all around them. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:45 - Jan 15 with 1016 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:22 - Jan 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
Give us a plausable explanation for why they didn't get COVID that these so called scientific experts missed.
Here we have you yet again disagreeing with experts when they don't agree with what you think when you do not have any expertise or a counter argument.
So explain how so many people right from the Princess Diamond through to today haven't got COVID even when surrounded by COVID carriers who are infecting others all around them. |
The maths regarding the Diamond Princess don't stack up its as simple as that. If they did the pandemic would barely have got off the ground. The infected were removed and isolated. Those sharing cabins may have been able to avoid infection by ventilation and distancing, plus of course there's out and out luck too. There are many variables and of course it was nowhere near as infectious strain as omicron.
The recent study regarding protection from previous colds again doesn't consider all variables and as I understand t cell immunity doesn't prevent infection but reduces severity.
I hope there is a substantial amount of immunity from cold viruses, the stats suggest that there isn't. I was also reading today that an immunologist from Reading uni said it was impossible that those who've died from covid haven't been exposed to previous common colds caused by coronavirus. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:34 - Jan 15 with 1007 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:45 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
The maths regarding the Diamond Princess don't stack up its as simple as that. If they did the pandemic would barely have got off the ground. The infected were removed and isolated. Those sharing cabins may have been able to avoid infection by ventilation and distancing, plus of course there's out and out luck too. There are many variables and of course it was nowhere near as infectious strain as omicron.
The recent study regarding protection from previous colds again doesn't consider all variables and as I understand t cell immunity doesn't prevent infection but reduces severity.
I hope there is a substantial amount of immunity from cold viruses, the stats suggest that there isn't. I was also reading today that an immunologist from Reading uni said it was impossible that those who've died from covid haven't been exposed to previous common colds caused by coronavirus. |
Vaccines do not and never have prevented infection. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 17:51 - Jan 15 with 983 views | controversial_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:34 - Jan 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
Vaccines do not and never have prevented infection. |
That is correct! There were many outbreaks of small pox after the vaccination was introduced | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:17 - Jan 15 with 979 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 17:51 - Jan 15 by controversial_jack |
That is correct! There were many outbreaks of small pox after the vaccination was introduced |
The small pox vaccine was never administered worldwide. It was used when an outbreak occurred to successful stop it spreading. So successful was it that smallpox was eradicated. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 22:10 - Jan 15 with 953 views | 1462jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 08:12 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
I'm nobody else. I'm not in London. It's not a million miles from my name.
I'm not always right but you and the anti vax brigade are always wrong.
The insult was that apparently I have the traits of a woman, what traits are they? |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:22 - Jan 16 with 898 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:45 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
The maths regarding the Diamond Princess don't stack up its as simple as that. If they did the pandemic would barely have got off the ground. The infected were removed and isolated. Those sharing cabins may have been able to avoid infection by ventilation and distancing, plus of course there's out and out luck too. There are many variables and of course it was nowhere near as infectious strain as omicron.
The recent study regarding protection from previous colds again doesn't consider all variables and as I understand t cell immunity doesn't prevent infection but reduces severity.
I hope there is a substantial amount of immunity from cold viruses, the stats suggest that there isn't. I was also reading today that an immunologist from Reading uni said it was impossible that those who've died from covid haven't been exposed to previous common colds caused by coronavirus. |
"The recent study regarding protection from previous colds again doesn't consider all variables and as I understand t cell immunity doesn't prevent infection but reduces severity. "
An admission that Vaccines do not prevent infection? | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:26 - Jan 16 with 890 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:34 - Jan 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
Vaccines do not and never have prevented infection. |
Which is not quite correct, because those with “sterilising immunity” can prevent infection.
But vaccines against fast mutating Viruses cannot do so. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 19:56 - Jan 16 with 839 views | controversial_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:17 - Jan 15 by felixstowe_jack |
The small pox vaccine was never administered worldwide. It was used when an outbreak occurred to successful stop it spreading. So successful was it that smallpox was eradicated. |
Incorrect, it was used widely in the Uk from it's inception and there was almost total take up of it even in those days, but large scale outbreaks occurred after this | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:59 - Jan 16 with 826 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:22 - Jan 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
"The recent study regarding protection from previous colds again doesn't consider all variables and as I understand t cell immunity doesn't prevent infection but reduces severity. "
An admission that Vaccines do not prevent infection? |
Nobody has ever said they prevent all infection. Absolutely nobody. Ever. They prevent many and make symptoms less severe.
More anti vax propaganda. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 22:27 - Jan 16 with 820 views | Dr_Winston |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:59 - Jan 16 by Scotia |
Nobody has ever said they prevent all infection. Absolutely nobody. Ever. They prevent many and make symptoms less severe.
More anti vax propaganda. |
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 17:03 - Jan 17 with 764 views | controversial_jack |
If vaccines have never prevented spreads, then it stands to reason they haven't eradicated any diseases | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 17:06 - Jan 17 with 760 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:18 - Jan 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
What a stupid question, they can test for covid after the accident (or any accident) when they present in hospital, die of the injuries later and be counted. |
Excess deaths and 28 days deaths are very similar. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 20:49 - Jan 17 with 733 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:59 - Jan 16 by Scotia |
Nobody has ever said they prevent all infection. Absolutely nobody. Ever. They prevent many and make symptoms less severe.
More anti vax propaganda. |
Like I said before I , like many others on here have been vaccinated against whooping cough, TB , rubella, scarletina tetanus etc and have never had any of them. I didn’t get yellow fever or typhoid either. Or diphtheria. You’re talking sh*t | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 23:26 - Jan 17 with 713 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The question has been asked many times in the past, how many people died of COVID and not with COVID.
Well the ONS have finally responded to an FOIA.
On the 16th of December they published the results up to the third quarter of 2021.
The answer is 17,371.
Funny I don't remember any headlines. [Post edited 17 Jan 2022 23:39]
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