| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else 13:49 - Jan 7 with 10633 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
The operational definitions around Covid need to be revised. A 40% incease would account for the increase in hospitalisations in Wales since early December.
Death figures are also going to be inflated.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/sta [Post edited 7 Jan 2022 13:51]
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:12 - Jan 12 with 1063 views | Dr_Winston |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:07 - Jan 12 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I heard a member of the JCVI on Radio 4 say something similar about only vaccinating those at high risk if there's a surge in Winter. |
So basically flu.
2022 needs to be the year where we return to normal. Vaccinate the vulnerable but otherwise life carries on as it did prior to 2020. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:58 - Jan 12 with 1030 views | Brynmill_Jack |
What I said from the start. Nobody really argued against what I was saying but doesn’t that mean blind acceptance by the masses of a fallacy? |  |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 22:53 - Jan 12 with 1009 views | A_Fans_Dad |
If this document is for real it would mean that the some in the American government are compicit in the uneccessary deaths of 100s of thousands of people.
It makes truly shocking reading, can it possibly be real?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.c
It shows that they not only knew about the cheap Treatments that worked, they also know about the danger from the Vaccine Spike Protein. |  | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 00:23 - Jan 13 with 986 views | controversial_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:12 - Jan 12 by Dr_Winston |
So basically flu.
2022 needs to be the year where we return to normal. Vaccinate the vulnerable but otherwise life carries on as it did prior to 2020. |
Influenza and covid are completely different | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 07:51 - Jan 13 with 957 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:58 - Jan 12 by Brynmill_Jack |
What I said from the start. Nobody really argued against what I was saying but doesn’t that mean blind acceptance by the masses of a fallacy? |
It probably doesn't show it on news outlets becasue it isn't anything new.
We've known for a long time that vaccination doesn't prevent transmission of Delta for long and possiblly not Omicron at all. That's not what vaccine passports are about.
They're about making sure that those attending events aren't likely to end up in hospital. The negative test option undervalues them. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 08:18 - Jan 13 with 947 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 07:51 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
It probably doesn't show it on news outlets becasue it isn't anything new.
We've known for a long time that vaccination doesn't prevent transmission of Delta for long and possiblly not Omicron at all. That's not what vaccine passports are about.
They're about making sure that those attending events aren't likely to end up in hospital. The negative test option undervalues them. |
Vaccination reduce your chaces of catching the virus. If you don't catch it you can't spread it.
A person who has had the booster has 85 to 90% immunity therefore an unvaccinated person is 8 to 9 times more likely to catch and spread it. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 10:46 - Jan 13 with 916 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 08:18 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Vaccination reduce your chaces of catching the virus. If you don't catch it you can't spread it.
A person who has had the booster has 85 to 90% immunity therefore an unvaccinated person is 8 to 9 times more likely to catch and spread it. |
That refers to symptomatic infection not infection per se. Boosters have very little protection against getting infected with omicron, outside of the short term, but eliminates many symptoms and if you get them they are very mild. You may also clear the virus from your system far quicker if you are vaccinated.
The anti-vaxxers have jumped on this but ignore the fact that the omicron variant is substantially different to the original strain. The vaccines are still brilliant.
I got infected (I assume with omicron) over the new Year. It felt like a nasty cold for two days and a normal cold for the following three, I didn't miss a day of work. That was over 3 months after receiving my booster. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 11:11 - Jan 13 with 907 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:23 - Jan 7 by 73__73 |
Is it only covid deaths that are shocking to you ?
What about the deaths from smoking ? Do you campaign to stop the selling of tobacco ? |
Fair point, deaths from smoking related diseases are about 70,000 a year similar to deaths within 28 a days of a Covid positive test.
Smoking also accounts for 700,000 hospital admissions each year. The NHS could do without smokers. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 11:54 - Jan 13 with 886 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:27 - Jan 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
Another Professor who will be branded as an "ant-vaxxer"
https://swprs.org/professor-eh
"Ministry of Health, it’s time to admit failure"
"You refused to admit that the infection comes in waves that fade by themselves, despite years of observations and scientific knowledge. You insisted on attributing every decline of a wave solely to your actions, and so through false propaganda “you overcame the plague.” And again you defeated it, and again and again and again."
Sound familiar, this guy tells it as it is. |
There's nothing in there to suggest he's anti-vax. He seems to be anti lockdown though, it's also clearly BS. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 12:00 - Jan 13 with 887 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 11:11 - Jan 13 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Fair point, deaths from smoking related diseases are about 70,000 a year similar to deaths within 28 a days of a Covid positive test.
Smoking also accounts for 700,000 hospital admissions each year. The NHS could do without smokers. |
Correct smokers ant anti vaxers putting an unnecessary burden on the NHS.
Couple of interesting items announced today.
ONS has released figures showing 97% of adults now have antibodies to coronavirus. This includes the vaccinated and unvaccinated who have caught coronavirus.
Academic research of the effect of antibodies threshold on the Delta variant show 88% of the population have sufficiently levels of antibodies to protect against the Delta variant.
Clearly more research will need to be done on the omicron variant but the research shows the need for Boosters.
The unvaccinated, even if they have had coronavirus, will have insufficient antibodies to protect them. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 12:02 - Jan 13 with 887 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 11:54 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
There's nothing in there to suggest he's anti-vax. He seems to be anti lockdown though, it's also clearly BS. |
"it's also clearly BS"
Says a nobody on a football forum about a top Medical Professor's thoughts on his own country's COVID control.
Without a single counter argument, fact or anything else.
Classic. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 12:11 - Jan 13 with 884 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 07:51 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
It probably doesn't show it on news outlets becasue it isn't anything new.
We've known for a long time that vaccination doesn't prevent transmission of Delta for long and possiblly not Omicron at all. That's not what vaccine passports are about.
They're about making sure that those attending events aren't likely to end up in hospital. The negative test option undervalues them. |
"They're about making sure that those attending events aren't likely to end up in hospital."
That is a new definition, I thought it was supposed to be about stopping "spread".
Let me remind you of what you wrote in January 2021
"And now a single dose vaccine 100% effective in reducing hospitalisation after 28 days, and over 60% effective at preventing moderate Covid. It has been tested in South Africa and nearly 40% of people involved in the trial were over 60."
How is that working out? | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:14 - Jan 13 with 860 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 07:51 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
It probably doesn't show it on news outlets becasue it isn't anything new.
We've known for a long time that vaccination doesn't prevent transmission of Delta for long and possiblly not Omicron at all. That's not what vaccine passports are about.
They're about making sure that those attending events aren't likely to end up in hospital. The negative test option undervalues them. |
Well seeing as the unvaccinated have to take a LFT test to prove to the authorities they are free of Covid and you’re admitting the transmissibility of those fully jabbed - what ARE vaccine passports/Covid passes all about?
Not logic - that much is clear | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:41 - Jan 13 with 853 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:14 - Jan 13 by Brynmill_Jack |
Well seeing as the unvaccinated have to take a LFT test to prove to the authorities they are free of Covid and you’re admitting the transmissibility of those fully jabbed - what ARE vaccine passports/Covid passes all about?
Not logic - that much is clear |
To prove you are fully vaccinated and have the booster. That way you have less than in 10% of catching the virus even after long exposure. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:42 - Jan 13 with 853 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:14 - Jan 13 by Brynmill_Jack |
Well seeing as the unvaccinated have to take a LFT test to prove to the authorities they are free of Covid and you’re admitting the transmissibility of those fully jabbed - what ARE vaccine passports/Covid passes all about?
Not logic - that much is clear |
Yes, testing has always made sense whereas vaccine passports do not. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:56 - Jan 13 with 839 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:41 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
To prove you are fully vaccinated and have the booster. That way you have less than in 10% of catching the virus even after long exposure. |
There is no such thing as a fully vaccinated person. Efficacy has fallen off a Cliff. It’s not the unvaccinated that are the risk for transmitting the disease - can’t you even work that one out yet?
The clue is in the figures you slavishly provide every day on here to bolster your confidence. Nobody told the virus that though as it continues to infect the vaccinated. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:47 - Jan 13 with 816 views | Dr_Winston |
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:58 - Jan 13 with 803 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:14 - Jan 13 by Brynmill_Jack |
Well seeing as the unvaccinated have to take a LFT test to prove to the authorities they are free of Covid and you’re admitting the transmissibility of those fully jabbed - what ARE vaccine passports/Covid passes all about?
Not logic - that much is clear |
To stop people who are needlessly putting pressure on the NHS putting pressure on the NHS.
LFT's are useless too - especially under the current circumstances. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:12 - Jan 13 with 785 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 12:11 - Jan 13 by A_Fans_Dad |
"They're about making sure that those attending events aren't likely to end up in hospital."
That is a new definition, I thought it was supposed to be about stopping "spread".
Let me remind you of what you wrote in January 2021
"And now a single dose vaccine 100% effective in reducing hospitalisation after 28 days, and over 60% effective at preventing moderate Covid. It has been tested in South Africa and nearly 40% of people involved in the trial were over 60."
How is that working out? |
You're hanging on previous definitions that are now irrelevant to suit your argument. January 2021 was a year ago. There have been two widespread variants of concern since then, one of which substantially evades immunity.
I think the vaccine has a very little impact on limiting spread of omicron but is still brilliant at minimising severe disease. That may change when we get an omicron vaccine if needed or hopefully one day a universal coronavirus vaccine.
They're doing a brilliant job.
Let me tell you about running club last night. I was paired with a sub 3 hour marathon runner for pace work (I'm around 3.30). We've both had covid, him before Xmas and me over new year. He could not keep up with me, in fact had to stop running.
There's one major difference between us, can you guess what that is? | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:24 - Jan 13 with 769 views | Whiterockin |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:12 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
You're hanging on previous definitions that are now irrelevant to suit your argument. January 2021 was a year ago. There have been two widespread variants of concern since then, one of which substantially evades immunity.
I think the vaccine has a very little impact on limiting spread of omicron but is still brilliant at minimising severe disease. That may change when we get an omicron vaccine if needed or hopefully one day a universal coronavirus vaccine.
They're doing a brilliant job.
Let me tell you about running club last night. I was paired with a sub 3 hour marathon runner for pace work (I'm around 3.30). We've both had covid, him before Xmas and me over new year. He could not keep up with me, in fact had to stop running.
There's one major difference between us, can you guess what that is? |
There's one major difference between us, can you guess what that is?
You have been training and he hasn't  |  | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:51 - Jan 13 with 744 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 13:56 - Jan 13 by Brynmill_Jack |
There is no such thing as a fully vaccinated person. Efficacy has fallen off a Cliff. It’s not the unvaccinated that are the risk for transmitting the disease - can’t you even work that one out yet?
The clue is in the figures you slavishly provide every day on here to bolster your confidence. Nobody told the virus that though as it continues to infect the vaccinated. |
You total miss the point of vaccinations yet again. Vaccines do not give total immunity they just vastly reduce your chances of catching things.
The unvaccinated are 8 times more likely to catch the virus than someone who has had the booster. Plus of course they are less to have serious complications, end in hospital, end up in ICU and to die. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:56 - Jan 13 with 743 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:58 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
To stop people who are needlessly putting pressure on the NHS putting pressure on the NHS.
LFT's are useless too - especially under the current circumstances. |
It was heralded as a protection for the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. And when the measure was announced all the vaccinated posters welcomed it as a guarantee of protection from transmission apart from controversial Jack who erred on the side of caution (sensibly).
As is the drive for compulsory vaccination in Austria.
Only neither do as the vaccinated are dropping like flies.
Talk about changing arguments to suit your agenda. You’re a master at it. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:21 - Jan 13 with 733 views | 1462jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:51 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
You total miss the point of vaccinations yet again. Vaccines do not give total immunity they just vastly reduce your chances of catching things.
The unvaccinated are 8 times more likely to catch the virus than someone who has had the booster. Plus of course they are less to have serious complications, end in hospital, end up in ICU and to die. |
European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible. Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people .
Keep taking your jabs , I will let my immune system deal with colds/covids/flu’s etc like we have done since Adam and Eve |  | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:35 - Jan 13 with 722 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:51 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
You total miss the point of vaccinations yet again. Vaccines do not give total immunity they just vastly reduce your chances of catching things.
The unvaccinated are 8 times more likely to catch the virus than someone who has had the booster. Plus of course they are less to have serious complications, end in hospital, end up in ICU and to die. |
I’ve been vaccinated against tetanus, polio, tuberculosis, whooping cough.
Never had any of them. Try harder | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:42 - Jan 13 with 715 views | controversial_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:35 - Jan 13 by Brynmill_Jack |
I’ve been vaccinated against tetanus, polio, tuberculosis, whooping cough.
Never had any of them. Try harder |
They have been eradicated by improved living conditions | | | |
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