| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else 13:49 - Jan 7 with 10657 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
The operational definitions around Covid need to be revised. A 40% incease would account for the increase in hospitalisations in Wales since early December.
Death figures are also going to be inflated.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/sta [Post edited 7 Jan 2022 13:51]
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 07:43 - Jan 18 with 891 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 20:49 - Jan 17 by Brynmill_Jack |
Like I said before I , like many others on here have been vaccinated against whooping cough, TB , rubella, scarletina tetanus etc and have never had any of them. I didn’t get yellow fever or typhoid either. Or diphtheria. You’re talking sh*t |
That is of no relevance whatsoever. They are different diseases and not all are even casued by viruses.
I also don't believe that you were vaccinated against rubella, unless you were born in or after 1988 or are female. I was born in the mid 70's and had rubella. I haven't had it since, guess why? Also guess why multiple people are getting re-infected with covid.
Why do you think you get tetanus boosters if you cut yourself a few years after your last dose?
Prove I'm talking sh*t. |  | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 07:43 - Jan 18 with 886 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 23:26 - Jan 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
The question has been asked many times in the past, how many people died of COVID and not with COVID.
Well the ONS have finally responded to an FOIA.
On the 16th of December they published the results up to the third quarter of 2021.
The answer is 17,371.
Funny I don't remember any headlines. [Post edited 17 Jan 2022 23:39]
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Lets see the link. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:15 - Jan 18 with 850 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 07:43 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
Lets see the link. |
Find it yourself. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:25 - Jan 18 with 849 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Really bad news out of Scotland in their latest COVID & Winter Statistical Report dated 10/01/2022.
Single & Double Vaccinated case rates (/100,000), hospitalisation rates & mortality rates have gone higher than the unvaccinated. Only the triple jab boosted are lower for hospitalisation and mortality, but not cases. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:36 - Jan 18 with 828 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:15 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
Find it yourself. |
I don't think you want to share it do you? | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:38 - Jan 18 with 827 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 14:25 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
Really bad news out of Scotland in their latest COVID & Winter Statistical Report dated 10/01/2022.
Single & Double Vaccinated case rates (/100,000), hospitalisation rates & mortality rates have gone higher than the unvaccinated. Only the triple jab boosted are lower for hospitalisation and mortality, but not cases. |
Which is what you'd expect in a population in which 80% of people are vaccinated.
If you look at the explanation of those statistics in that report it says.
"In the last week in an age-standardised population, individuals were 4 times more likely to have a COVID-19 related acute hospital admission if they were unvaccinated compared to individuals that had received a booster or 3rd dose of vaccine."
When you consider that Omicron is apparently up to 70% less likely to lead to hospitalisation anyway that is quite remarkable. [Post edited 18 Jan 2022 15:55]
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:58 - Jan 18 with 806 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:38 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
Which is what you'd expect in a population in which 80% of people are vaccinated.
If you look at the explanation of those statistics in that report it says.
"In the last week in an age-standardised population, individuals were 4 times more likely to have a COVID-19 related acute hospital admission if they were unvaccinated compared to individuals that had received a booster or 3rd dose of vaccine."
When you consider that Omicron is apparently up to 70% less likely to lead to hospitalisation anyway that is quite remarkable. [Post edited 18 Jan 2022 15:55]
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You just don't get "rates" except when it reinforces your view do you?
Funny how a month ago when they said the opposite you believed them then when the vaxxed population was 78%.
You just can't accept negative information, it must be very disturbing for you. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:12 - Jan 18 with 801 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 23:26 - Jan 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
The question has been asked many times in the past, how many people died of COVID and not with COVID.
Well the ONS have finally responded to an FOIA.
On the 16th of December they published the results up to the third quarter of 2021.
The answer is 17,371.
Funny I don't remember any headlines. [Post edited 17 Jan 2022 23:39]
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus
I've found it.
I'm getting completely fed up with your misrepresenation and lies. It refers to having no other causes of death on the death certificate and is nothing to do with dying of covid or with covid. That is completely false.
There were no headlines because it's not newsworthy in the slightest.
Someone could have lived comfortably for years with a condiditon that was exacerbated by covid.
Do you realsie that there are people reading this who will have lost people due to covid who's death's you are besmirching? | | | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:15 - Jan 18 with 800 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:12 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus
I've found it.
I'm getting completely fed up with your misrepresenation and lies. It refers to having no other causes of death on the death certificate and is nothing to do with dying of covid or with covid. That is completely false.
There were no headlines because it's not newsworthy in the slightest.
Someone could have lived comfortably for years with a condiditon that was exacerbated by covid.
Do you realsie that there are people reading this who will have lost people due to covid who's death's you are besmirching? |
The antivaxers have been misrepresenting the science and the facts for nearly a year now. | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:45 - Jan 18 with 791 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:12 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus
I've found it.
I'm getting completely fed up with your misrepresenation and lies. It refers to having no other causes of death on the death certificate and is nothing to do with dying of covid or with covid. That is completely false.
There were no headlines because it's not newsworthy in the slightest.
Someone could have lived comfortably for years with a condiditon that was exacerbated by covid.
Do you realsie that there are people reading this who will have lost people due to covid who's death's you are besmirching? |
It is exactly as I described it.
If you don't understand the difference between "of" and "with" that is your problem.
The numbers show those who died "of covid" and nothing else.
You really are sad. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:49 - Jan 18 with 788 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:15 - Jan 18 by felixstowe_jack |
The antivaxers have been misrepresenting the science and the facts for nearly a year now. |
Please demonstrate to everyone how the actual data "misrepresents" dying "of" and not with COVID, or admit you are wrong again. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 17:37 - Jan 18 with 776 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:49 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
Please demonstrate to everyone how the actual data "misrepresents" dying "of" and not with COVID, or admit you are wrong again. |
Because, as always, you are looking at a snap shot of data that you don't understand.
You are completely misrepresting "of" and "with" and that is not at all what that FOI request shows. It's more covid conspiracy nonsense that those devoid of their own thought don't even question.
It represents those who died who had just covid on their death certificate, nothing else whatsoever. For starters most deaths have more than one cause of death on the certificate. So it's misrepresented to start with.
It also in no way represents what they died of or with. It includes people who may have had diabetes, asthma, hypertension, heart disease etc, etc but could have lived for many years until they caught covid.
For crying out loud the average age of death from covid is in the 80s, how many people of that age have no other health conditions?
What is more worrying is that 17,000 people died of covid and covid alone almost certainly with no other health conditions at all. That's not far off 1000 people a month.
Thank science for the vaccines. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:04 - Jan 18 with 765 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 17:37 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
Because, as always, you are looking at a snap shot of data that you don't understand.
You are completely misrepresting "of" and "with" and that is not at all what that FOI request shows. It's more covid conspiracy nonsense that those devoid of their own thought don't even question.
It represents those who died who had just covid on their death certificate, nothing else whatsoever. For starters most deaths have more than one cause of death on the certificate. So it's misrepresented to start with.
It also in no way represents what they died of or with. It includes people who may have had diabetes, asthma, hypertension, heart disease etc, etc but could have lived for many years until they caught covid.
For crying out loud the average age of death from covid is in the 80s, how many people of that age have no other health conditions?
What is more worrying is that 17,000 people died of covid and covid alone almost certainly with no other health conditions at all. That's not far off 1000 people a month.
Thank science for the vaccines. |
So you can't demonstrate that it represents "of" COVID because any other comorbidities could have been the cause of death and not COVID.
Every extra comorbidity reduces the odds of it being COVID.
The only way to be sure the death is of COVID is when it is the only thing on the death certificate.
Therefore we know that they are definitely of COVID.
What assurance do you have that some of them weren't vaccinated? | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:09 - Jan 18 with 756 views | controversial_jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:04 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
So you can't demonstrate that it represents "of" COVID because any other comorbidities could have been the cause of death and not COVID.
Every extra comorbidity reduces the odds of it being COVID.
The only way to be sure the death is of COVID is when it is the only thing on the death certificate.
Therefore we know that they are definitely of COVID.
What assurance do you have that some of them weren't vaccinated? |
If covid contributed to death it would be recorded as such, if not it won't
Death certificates have primary and secondary causes, very rarely a single item | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:21 - Jan 18 with 753 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:04 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
So you can't demonstrate that it represents "of" COVID because any other comorbidities could have been the cause of death and not COVID.
Every extra comorbidity reduces the odds of it being COVID.
The only way to be sure the death is of COVID is when it is the only thing on the death certificate.
Therefore we know that they are definitely of COVID.
What assurance do you have that some of them weren't vaccinated? |
That's another attempt at diversion as you stated an FOI stated that only 17000 people died of covid.
That's clearly not what their reply states unless you misunderstood or misrepresent it.
The supporting evidence that they died of covid rather than with covid is the huge amount of excess deaths. It's either a particularly unlucky year or something led to a lot of people dying prematurely.
That is not the only way to be sure of covid causing the death. That is just stupid. Nobody dies of HIV but its what kills them. Also a Dr has considered it to have contributed to the death as they've put it on the death certificate.
How many death certificates have a single contributory factor as a cause of death?
So can you demonstrate that it was their comorbidities that killed them rather than covid? | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:40 - Jan 18 with 747 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:21 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
That's another attempt at diversion as you stated an FOI stated that only 17000 people died of covid.
That's clearly not what their reply states unless you misunderstood or misrepresent it.
The supporting evidence that they died of covid rather than with covid is the huge amount of excess deaths. It's either a particularly unlucky year or something led to a lot of people dying prematurely.
That is not the only way to be sure of covid causing the death. That is just stupid. Nobody dies of HIV but its what kills them. Also a Dr has considered it to have contributed to the death as they've put it on the death certificate.
How many death certificates have a single contributory factor as a cause of death?
So can you demonstrate that it was their comorbidities that killed them rather than covid? |
More bull from you.
How about single items on the certificate.
Heart attack
Stroke
Kidney failure
Cancers, many of them.
Bullet in the head.
Knife through the heart.
Decapitation.
Funny how you are so ready to accept "with deaths" as "of deaths" but not for vaccines double standards all around. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:42 - Jan 18 with 743 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 16:15 - Jan 18 by felixstowe_jack |
The antivaxers have been misrepresenting the science and the facts for nearly a year now. |
Wait til you find out what lies Dr Fauci has told |  |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:50 - Jan 18 with 734 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 07:43 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
That is of no relevance whatsoever. They are different diseases and not all are even casued by viruses.
I also don't believe that you were vaccinated against rubella, unless you were born in or after 1988 or are female. I was born in the mid 70's and had rubella. I haven't had it since, guess why? Also guess why multiple people are getting re-infected with covid.
Why do you think you get tetanus boosters if you cut yourself a few years after your last dose?
Prove I'm talking sh*t. |
You were saying vaccines don’t prevent infection. I’m saying they do. What’s so hard to understand? | |
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 19:14 - Jan 18 with 722 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:40 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
More bull from you.
How about single items on the certificate.
Heart attack
Stroke
Kidney failure
Cancers, many of them.
Bullet in the head.
Knife through the heart.
Decapitation.
Funny how you are so ready to accept "with deaths" as "of deaths" but not for vaccines double standards all around. |
How many death certificates have a single contributory factor as a cause of death?
So can you demonstrate that it was their comorbidities that killed them rather than covid?
How many people have a heart attack without having heart disease? How many people a stroke without hypertension or an abnormal heart rhythm? How many people get a knife through the heart without bleeding to death? [Post edited 18 Jan 2022 19:20]
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| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 19:16 - Jan 18 with 718 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 18:50 - Jan 18 by Brynmill_Jack |
You were saying vaccines don’t prevent infection. I’m saying they do. What’s so hard to understand? |
All vaccines prevent some infections, some an awful lot of infections. The immunity from some last a long time, for others a booster is needed. No vaccine prevents all infection. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 19:19 - Jan 18 with 716 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 19:14 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
How many death certificates have a single contributory factor as a cause of death?
So can you demonstrate that it was their comorbidities that killed them rather than covid?
How many people have a heart attack without having heart disease? How many people a stroke without hypertension or an abnormal heart rhythm? How many people get a knife through the heart without bleeding to death? [Post edited 18 Jan 2022 19:20]
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No and you haven't demonstrated that it was COVID either. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:19 - Jan 18 with 701 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 19:19 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
No and you haven't demonstrated that it was COVID either. |
"The supporting evidence that they died of covid rather than with covid is the huge amount of excess deaths. It's either a particularly unlucky year or something led to a lot of people dying prematurely".
During a pandemic after testing positive for covid, what do you think killed them? You've ignored the other questions so I assume you will this too.
From that very limited information it is impossible to draw conclusions. That is the entire problem.
It asks one closed question, gets a closed answer and uses that to completely misrepresent what that answer demonstrates.
You reported it as fact and can't back it up. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:29 - Jan 18 with 697 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:58 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
You just don't get "rates" except when it reinforces your view do you?
Funny how a month ago when they said the opposite you believed them then when the vaxxed population was 78%.
You just can't accept negative information, it must be very disturbing for you. |
Stop trying to analyse stuff please.
You cannot extrapolate data from just 20% of the population across the entire population and compare it to similar information from 80% of the population. It is inevitable that the data will be skewed to the larger group.
The fact that there aren't significantly more infections, deaths and hospitalisation's in the 80% group speaks volumes. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:32 - Jan 18 with 699 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:19 - Jan 18 by Scotia |
"The supporting evidence that they died of covid rather than with covid is the huge amount of excess deaths. It's either a particularly unlucky year or something led to a lot of people dying prematurely".
During a pandemic after testing positive for covid, what do you think killed them? You've ignored the other questions so I assume you will this too.
From that very limited information it is impossible to draw conclusions. That is the entire problem.
It asks one closed question, gets a closed answer and uses that to completely misrepresent what that answer demonstrates.
You reported it as fact and can't back it up. |
The data backs it up. If you think the Excess deaths show otherwise I have already pointed to 2 sets of statistical analysis that says otherwise, but they are way too complicated for you to understand. | | | |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 15:07 - Jan 19 with 645 views | Scotia |
| 40% of 'Covid Patients' in Hospital for Something Else on 21:32 - Jan 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
The data backs it up. If you think the Excess deaths show otherwise I have already pointed to 2 sets of statistical analysis that says otherwise, but they are way too complicated for you to understand. |
More diversion. It's embarrasssing now. It's all you ever do.
What a pathetic response from a man who laughably attempts to extrapolate data from 20% of the population across the remaing 80% and seems to think its fair to compare the outcome with data from the 80% group. But there we are - if you don't want to share that info then I'll draw the same conclusion as the FOI / ONS data. It's almost certainly wrong.
I asked my friend at the gym lunchtime (Anaethestist at Morriston ITU) what is likely to go on a covid death certificate. He said he would be quite surprised if just Covid 19 was on there under any circumstance, unless perhaps to avoid "extreme old age" or "natural causes" which is generally frowned upon. . He also said that a single entry as a cause of death is very rare as death certificate stats are used to assess general health of the population.
He said the most frequent Covid 19 death he has seen would have "Pneumonitis" as the first entry, with Covid 19 and possibly another comorbidity in the other boxes. I'm not going to pretend to know what pneumonitis is but I'm pretty certain these people would not have developed it had it not been for catching covid. | | | |
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