| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere 13:20 - Mar 27 with 3497 views | SwansIndependent |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 21:58 - Mar 27 with 1251 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Mr Allen is the new "protector of the faith" (POTF). He is the man employed to protect the "Swansea way" which served the club so well 2002-2019. With such a responsibility I expect him to stay in post for some time. He cannot request patience then jump ship.
The original POTF was the Chairman in this period who did a sensational job and is consequently loathed by "stone cold losers" who blame the great man for making money while the organisation the fans ran SCST incredibly missed the boat.
The fans blame the ex Chairman instead of the useless people they voted in. The idea that the SCST were hard done by did not stand up to legal scrutiny and the case crumbled when push came to shove.
Mr Birch who was a shrewd operator (The crazy dalliance with the BLM organisation aside) was wise enough to employ an ex player as POTF in Leon Britton. Leon unused to working indoors was it appears uncomfortable with the role and office life. No one told him about the need to take out the stables before photo copying FA/FAW reports.
Britton promoted Steve Cooper but he was not a 'Swansea way' manager and far too pragmatic. No doubt about it a successful appointment and a great manager. He could not play the Swansea way because of external forces that did not apply to Martinez, Brendan, Laudrup and Potter.
Swansea went through a process of "Delaudrupification" which was not necessary . It should have been built apon not undone. Hernandez clearly should not have been sold. He was a revelation for Leeds in the Championship. Monk like Cooper was successful but his legacy was worse.
Mr Allen has been appointed to over view the club strategy and ensure that Potterball is build on and developed, not sidelined and disposed of every time a manager leaves. He should have the knowledge and contacts to do this job and has Leon to call upon as well.
Martin has to deliver good results this season in the games remaining and improve the product considerably next season. Downes, Cabango, Fisher, Obafemi, Piroe, Manning Burns possibly, will all be more experienced and will need to improve and deliver. Christie Grimes Naughton are all good pros.
If it is more of the same, Allen will have to act around about November time to protect his own long term position. One way it to import assistance to modify the methodology if Martin accepts changes have to be made. At this point calls for patience and excuses will not wash.
This is the view from the forests above Resolven. The smell of pine clears the brain of negativity and outdated herd thinking. No one sees Martin as the 'messiah'. He has to deliver on his projections in late 2022 at the latest. [Post edited 27 Mar 2022 23:18]
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 23:06 - Mar 27 with 1183 views | STID2017 |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 21:58 - Mar 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Mr Allen is the new "protector of the faith" (POTF). He is the man employed to protect the "Swansea way" which served the club so well 2002-2019. With such a responsibility I expect him to stay in post for some time. He cannot request patience then jump ship.
The original POTF was the Chairman in this period who did a sensational job and is consequently loathed by "stone cold losers" who blame the great man for making money while the organisation the fans ran SCST incredibly missed the boat.
The fans blame the ex Chairman instead of the useless people they voted in. The idea that the SCST were hard done by did not stand up to legal scrutiny and the case crumbled when push came to shove.
Mr Birch who was a shrewd operator (The crazy dalliance with the BLM organisation aside) was wise enough to employ an ex player as POTF in Leon Britton. Leon unused to working indoors was it appears uncomfortable with the role and office life. No one told him about the need to take out the stables before photo copying FA/FAW reports.
Britton promoted Steve Cooper but he was not a 'Swansea way' manager and far too pragmatic. No doubt about it a successful appointment and a great manager. He could not play the Swansea way because of external forces that did not apply to Martinez, Brendan, Laudrup and Potter.
Swansea went through a process of "Delaudrupification" which was not necessary . It should have been built apon not undone. Hernandez clearly should not have been sold. He was a revelation for Leeds in the Championship. Monk like Cooper was successful but his legacy was worse.
Mr Allen has been appointed to over view the club strategy and ensure that Potterball is build on and developed, not sidelined and disposed of every time a manager leaves. He should have the knowledge and contacts to do this job and has Leon to call upon as well.
Martin has to deliver good results this season in the games remaining and improve the product considerably next season. Downes, Cabango, Fisher, Obafemi, Piroe, Manning Burns possibly, will all be more experienced and will need to improve and deliver. Christie Grimes Naughton are all good pros.
If it is more of the same, Allen will have to act around about November time to protect his own long term position. One way it to import assistance to modify the methodology if Martin accepts changes have to be made. At this point calls for patience and excuses will not wash.
This is the view from the forests above Resolven. The smell of pine clears the brain of negativity and outdated herd thinking. No one sees Martin as the 'messiah'. He has to deliver on his projections in late 2022 at the latest. [Post edited 27 Mar 2022 23:18]
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" No one sees Martin as the 'messiah' "
Nope.
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 03:37 - Mar 28 with 1153 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 18:50 - Mar 27 by Whiterockin |
As I have said Martin is going nowhere for the next 6 months at least. You said it was not a fact but my opinion, well this seems to back up what I was told at the start of the season. |
It isn’t a fact, it’s football. Many things can happen.
You gave an opinion and pretended it was a fact. The potential accuracy of your opinion is not something I commented on.
Just that it wasn’t a fact - which it isn’t. |  |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 07:05 - Mar 28 with 1137 views | KeithHaynes |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 17:42 - Mar 27 by cadleigh |
So this is a write-up of an interview on the Official Site with Mark Allen? Timing tells you everything. They are rattled ahead of the derby and therefore sent Allen out to describe how wonderful Emperor Martin’s summer wardrobe is and how we can all look forward to seeing him in even nicer clothes once he’s gone shopping in the autumn.
Allen is a strange fish. Tried to make it as a footballer and failed. He went to a private university in the US which no one has heard of, studied business, came back here, tried football again, failed again, went to work in TV production management. Continued coaching in his spare time, got his badges, and then 10 years ago, pushing 50, got his first proper job in football running Man City’s academy. I suspect he was wanted for his business admin skills more than his football knowledge. Left there just as the tapping up scandal was breaking, did a few years at Celtic, now with us. |
We get our main news feeds through a licence with Reuters, investigative open source inquiry and from press gatherings when the swans allow journalists in to the club. ( And the odd snippet from other areas ) 😉 However it does seem the club have given Mark Allen carte blanche on this occasion to explain his and the clubs position with Russell Martin. And of course an attempt to give an insight in to their current thinking and mindset.
The presentation of our articles and reports is down to us, the responses ( unless folk want to get involved with the news side of our website ) are down to the vast majority. And your views and many others are more than welcome and interesting of course. It’s why we do this.
This type of club endorsed article from swans official ( in part of course ) would have to be agreed to by Julian Winter at least, we are in the week of the derby against Cardiff. That is the point of this as well. We as an independent oddity don’t have restrictions unless self imposed. My personal thoughts are we have this season, we accept it. We have the summer for trading, we accept it. And we go again in the new season up until the World Cup in November and Russell Martin is then measured against his results.
To actually say that we will have 5,000 crowds etc is unhelpful because the swans have never had that level of low attendance since moving to the ‘ new stadium’ some 17 years ago. ( Not aimed at you ) Its an extremely negative feel to the words of Mark Allen when all he is doing is offering up some openness to the strategy ahead. ( Although he was never at Celtic )
There is a collective negative mindset especially within the internet support towards the club, and those who are in that state of mind purvey their thoughts continuously almost three times daily. To be able to analyse a situation without this negativity seems lost, it’s a shame. Nobody on here, and there are hundreds who contribute, and thousands who read it is devoid of that ability. We have been saying it all season, we have what we have, and we know what direction we are going in. Regardless of the negativity attached to that final sentence.
This is a roll of the dice that nobody expected this season before Cooper left, we should be applauding those within the stadium walls for their bravery in attempting to reintroduce us all to a football philosophy long lost. It’s not as of they are using this as a conspiracy to bring Swansea down, if it fails their own football futures are at risk. But there is a determination to succeed, and with that determination does come clarity.
And for all the digs aimed at Allen and Winter let’s not forget they have a superb success rate in sourcing and bringing in players. Including Russell Martin.
But then I suppose not everyone is going to be on board as the season has progressed. And sacking is not an option, it would cost the club heavily in finances. We all can see this football philosophy works, we’ve seen it on numerous occasions this season. The pace is boring mostly, and with that brings frustration I agree, but we are trying something unique for the first time in a long time.
It’s a bit like driving to Newcastle but getting out of your car at the services north of Birmingham and looking round complaining you haven’t reached your destination. You know what the journey entails but lost interest because the drive got boring on the way and you gave up. And there you are, stranded mid journey having lost your will to complete it.
You don’t know what you don’t know, and even when it’s explained in simple terms it seems there are those who really can’t be bothered to listen. Maybe they are stuck in the services repeating the same thing over and over again to anyone who will listen ? But why would anyone give up now having endured what they have to date ?
It makes no sense, none whatsoever.
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 08:13 - Mar 28 with 1101 views | Whiterockin |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 03:37 - Mar 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
It isn’t a fact, it’s football. Many things can happen.
You gave an opinion and pretended it was a fact. The potential accuracy of your opinion is not something I commented on.
Just that it wasn’t a fact - which it isn’t. |
Seems to be be a fact according to our Sporting Director. |  | | |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 08:26 - Mar 28 with 1072 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 08:13 - Mar 28 by Whiterockin |
Seems to be be a fact according to our Sporting Director. |
Which part?
Can you quote him saying that he is being given 6 months? | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 08:49 - Mar 28 with 1052 views | STID2017 |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 07:05 - Mar 28 by KeithHaynes |
We get our main news feeds through a licence with Reuters, investigative open source inquiry and from press gatherings when the swans allow journalists in to the club. ( And the odd snippet from other areas ) 😉 However it does seem the club have given Mark Allen carte blanche on this occasion to explain his and the clubs position with Russell Martin. And of course an attempt to give an insight in to their current thinking and mindset.
The presentation of our articles and reports is down to us, the responses ( unless folk want to get involved with the news side of our website ) are down to the vast majority. And your views and many others are more than welcome and interesting of course. It’s why we do this.
This type of club endorsed article from swans official ( in part of course ) would have to be agreed to by Julian Winter at least, we are in the week of the derby against Cardiff. That is the point of this as well. We as an independent oddity don’t have restrictions unless self imposed. My personal thoughts are we have this season, we accept it. We have the summer for trading, we accept it. And we go again in the new season up until the World Cup in November and Russell Martin is then measured against his results.
To actually say that we will have 5,000 crowds etc is unhelpful because the swans have never had that level of low attendance since moving to the ‘ new stadium’ some 17 years ago. ( Not aimed at you ) Its an extremely negative feel to the words of Mark Allen when all he is doing is offering up some openness to the strategy ahead. ( Although he was never at Celtic )
There is a collective negative mindset especially within the internet support towards the club, and those who are in that state of mind purvey their thoughts continuously almost three times daily. To be able to analyse a situation without this negativity seems lost, it’s a shame. Nobody on here, and there are hundreds who contribute, and thousands who read it is devoid of that ability. We have been saying it all season, we have what we have, and we know what direction we are going in. Regardless of the negativity attached to that final sentence.
This is a roll of the dice that nobody expected this season before Cooper left, we should be applauding those within the stadium walls for their bravery in attempting to reintroduce us all to a football philosophy long lost. It’s not as of they are using this as a conspiracy to bring Swansea down, if it fails their own football futures are at risk. But there is a determination to succeed, and with that determination does come clarity.
And for all the digs aimed at Allen and Winter let’s not forget they have a superb success rate in sourcing and bringing in players. Including Russell Martin.
But then I suppose not everyone is going to be on board as the season has progressed. And sacking is not an option, it would cost the club heavily in finances. We all can see this football philosophy works, we’ve seen it on numerous occasions this season. The pace is boring mostly, and with that brings frustration I agree, but we are trying something unique for the first time in a long time.
It’s a bit like driving to Newcastle but getting out of your car at the services north of Birmingham and looking round complaining you haven’t reached your destination. You know what the journey entails but lost interest because the drive got boring on the way and you gave up. And there you are, stranded mid journey having lost your will to complete it.
You don’t know what you don’t know, and even when it’s explained in simple terms it seems there are those who really can’t be bothered to listen. Maybe they are stuck in the services repeating the same thing over and over again to anyone who will listen ? But why would anyone give up now having endured what they have to date ?
It makes no sense, none whatsoever.
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Excellent post and many home truths that are hard to argue with.
Of course they will be argued with ... | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 08:53 - Mar 28 with 1044 views | STID2017 |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 08:26 - Mar 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Which part?
Can you quote him saying that he is being given 6 months? |
Cant help yourself can you, asking for examples ?
People are allowed to give opinions without having to give quotes or examples.
Try reading the article properly yourself and interpret it properly.
It is clear, as I have stated many times, Martin is going nowhere. | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 09:11 - Mar 28 with 1031 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 08:53 - Mar 28 by STID2017 |
Cant help yourself can you, asking for examples ?
People are allowed to give opinions without having to give quotes or examples.
Try reading the article properly yourself and interpret it properly.
It is clear, as I have stated many times, Martin is going nowhere. |
It’s not an opinion, it’s a direct inference that Allen said the same thing he did.
I just read it and didn’t see that part.
I think asking for the quote he is talking about is perfectly acceptable, unless it doesn’t exist and becomes inconvenient of course - which is usually what gets you annoyed about it.
Speak accurately and you don’t have a problem. | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 09:35 - Mar 28 with 1016 views | cadleigh |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 07:05 - Mar 28 by KeithHaynes |
We get our main news feeds through a licence with Reuters, investigative open source inquiry and from press gatherings when the swans allow journalists in to the club. ( And the odd snippet from other areas ) 😉 However it does seem the club have given Mark Allen carte blanche on this occasion to explain his and the clubs position with Russell Martin. And of course an attempt to give an insight in to their current thinking and mindset.
The presentation of our articles and reports is down to us, the responses ( unless folk want to get involved with the news side of our website ) are down to the vast majority. And your views and many others are more than welcome and interesting of course. It’s why we do this.
This type of club endorsed article from swans official ( in part of course ) would have to be agreed to by Julian Winter at least, we are in the week of the derby against Cardiff. That is the point of this as well. We as an independent oddity don’t have restrictions unless self imposed. My personal thoughts are we have this season, we accept it. We have the summer for trading, we accept it. And we go again in the new season up until the World Cup in November and Russell Martin is then measured against his results.
To actually say that we will have 5,000 crowds etc is unhelpful because the swans have never had that level of low attendance since moving to the ‘ new stadium’ some 17 years ago. ( Not aimed at you ) Its an extremely negative feel to the words of Mark Allen when all he is doing is offering up some openness to the strategy ahead. ( Although he was never at Celtic )
There is a collective negative mindset especially within the internet support towards the club, and those who are in that state of mind purvey their thoughts continuously almost three times daily. To be able to analyse a situation without this negativity seems lost, it’s a shame. Nobody on here, and there are hundreds who contribute, and thousands who read it is devoid of that ability. We have been saying it all season, we have what we have, and we know what direction we are going in. Regardless of the negativity attached to that final sentence.
This is a roll of the dice that nobody expected this season before Cooper left, we should be applauding those within the stadium walls for their bravery in attempting to reintroduce us all to a football philosophy long lost. It’s not as of they are using this as a conspiracy to bring Swansea down, if it fails their own football futures are at risk. But there is a determination to succeed, and with that determination does come clarity.
And for all the digs aimed at Allen and Winter let’s not forget they have a superb success rate in sourcing and bringing in players. Including Russell Martin.
But then I suppose not everyone is going to be on board as the season has progressed. And sacking is not an option, it would cost the club heavily in finances. We all can see this football philosophy works, we’ve seen it on numerous occasions this season. The pace is boring mostly, and with that brings frustration I agree, but we are trying something unique for the first time in a long time.
It’s a bit like driving to Newcastle but getting out of your car at the services north of Birmingham and looking round complaining you haven’t reached your destination. You know what the journey entails but lost interest because the drive got boring on the way and you gave up. And there you are, stranded mid journey having lost your will to complete it.
You don’t know what you don’t know, and even when it’s explained in simple terms it seems there are those who really can’t be bothered to listen. Maybe they are stuck in the services repeating the same thing over and over again to anyone who will listen ? But why would anyone give up now having endured what they have to date ?
It makes no sense, none whatsoever.
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Thanks Keith. My bad, he was of course at Rangers.
I wasn't having a go at the reporting, but I was puzzled at first as to whether this story was based on an exclusive interview, an analysis of and build on an interview posted by the club on the official website, or a pool press event that both the Independent and the official site attended. I didn't spell that out at the start of my post.
For what it's worth I found the news report on here insightful and value-adding. Good piece of work.
I don't share your positivity about the contribution of either Winter or Allen, I'm afraid. Winter's job above all is to ensure that communications between board and the football management are excellent and that the manager gets what he needs and understands what he can and can't have. Winter's first transfer window in charge saw the disastrous decision not to give Cooper the striker he needed to take us over the line. His third one was also a mess. I'll accept that the second one was a very good one.
As to Allen, I'm not close enough to the academy to know how good his signings were there (I think I have read that we did well under his stewardship) but since stepping up to Sporting Director of the club he has been underwhelming and his one transfer window in charge of recruitment was pretty patchy to say the least. | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 09:37 - Mar 28 with 1006 views | STID2017 |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 09:11 - Mar 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not an opinion, it’s a direct inference that Allen said the same thing he did.
I just read it and didn’t see that part.
I think asking for the quote he is talking about is perfectly acceptable, unless it doesn’t exist and becomes inconvenient of course - which is usually what gets you annoyed about it.
Speak accurately and you don’t have a problem. |
Why do you think you annoy me ?
I like answering your nonsense and tbh if you knew me and where I am personally, you will realise you are just are nothing important to me.
Asking for quotes endlessly is tiresome and glad to see others don't generally play your game.
Now off you go and carry on your whinging from the back seat. | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 10:04 - Mar 28 with 974 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 09:37 - Mar 28 by STID2017 |
Why do you think you annoy me ?
I like answering your nonsense and tbh if you knew me and where I am personally, you will realise you are just are nothing important to me.
Asking for quotes endlessly is tiresome and glad to see others don't generally play your game.
Now off you go and carry on your whinging from the back seat. |
Because you constantly jump in with nonsense, not rational points. That suggests you are indeed annoyed.
You also often get personal and verbally abusive, again the calling card of the frustrated.
I’m afraid in life, if you suggest someone has said something - if there is doubt you will be asked for your source. If it’s authentic then it shouldn’t be an inconvenience…. If it’s false then it will no doubt become an annoyance.
The trick is to ensure you are being accurate with your claims. You can have that for free. | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 10:31 - Mar 28 with 963 views | onehunglow |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 09:35 - Mar 28 by cadleigh |
Thanks Keith. My bad, he was of course at Rangers.
I wasn't having a go at the reporting, but I was puzzled at first as to whether this story was based on an exclusive interview, an analysis of and build on an interview posted by the club on the official website, or a pool press event that both the Independent and the official site attended. I didn't spell that out at the start of my post.
For what it's worth I found the news report on here insightful and value-adding. Good piece of work.
I don't share your positivity about the contribution of either Winter or Allen, I'm afraid. Winter's job above all is to ensure that communications between board and the football management are excellent and that the manager gets what he needs and understands what he can and can't have. Winter's first transfer window in charge saw the disastrous decision not to give Cooper the striker he needed to take us over the line. His third one was also a mess. I'll accept that the second one was a very good one.
As to Allen, I'm not close enough to the academy to know how good his signings were there (I think I have read that we did well under his stewardship) but since stepping up to Sporting Director of the club he has been underwhelming and his one transfer window in charge of recruitment was pretty patchy to say the least. |
No Keith.With respect superb i the wrong adjective.
Martin is certainly not superb; he is judged by the team's results,as are all managers.
Sourcing of players;Downes is terrific ,Fisher execrable.
No way can he possibly be given carte blanche or even carte noir.
Cadleigh very astutely has drawn the correct inference here.
A heavy defeat will see him get some real stick . His fan club will defend him as they would if he were kicking puppies into the Canal. | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 11:27 - Mar 28 with 936 views | cadleigh |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 07:05 - Mar 28 by KeithHaynes |
We get our main news feeds through a licence with Reuters, investigative open source inquiry and from press gatherings when the swans allow journalists in to the club. ( And the odd snippet from other areas ) 😉 However it does seem the club have given Mark Allen carte blanche on this occasion to explain his and the clubs position with Russell Martin. And of course an attempt to give an insight in to their current thinking and mindset.
The presentation of our articles and reports is down to us, the responses ( unless folk want to get involved with the news side of our website ) are down to the vast majority. And your views and many others are more than welcome and interesting of course. It’s why we do this.
This type of club endorsed article from swans official ( in part of course ) would have to be agreed to by Julian Winter at least, we are in the week of the derby against Cardiff. That is the point of this as well. We as an independent oddity don’t have restrictions unless self imposed. My personal thoughts are we have this season, we accept it. We have the summer for trading, we accept it. And we go again in the new season up until the World Cup in November and Russell Martin is then measured against his results.
To actually say that we will have 5,000 crowds etc is unhelpful because the swans have never had that level of low attendance since moving to the ‘ new stadium’ some 17 years ago. ( Not aimed at you ) Its an extremely negative feel to the words of Mark Allen when all he is doing is offering up some openness to the strategy ahead. ( Although he was never at Celtic )
There is a collective negative mindset especially within the internet support towards the club, and those who are in that state of mind purvey their thoughts continuously almost three times daily. To be able to analyse a situation without this negativity seems lost, it’s a shame. Nobody on here, and there are hundreds who contribute, and thousands who read it is devoid of that ability. We have been saying it all season, we have what we have, and we know what direction we are going in. Regardless of the negativity attached to that final sentence.
This is a roll of the dice that nobody expected this season before Cooper left, we should be applauding those within the stadium walls for their bravery in attempting to reintroduce us all to a football philosophy long lost. It’s not as of they are using this as a conspiracy to bring Swansea down, if it fails their own football futures are at risk. But there is a determination to succeed, and with that determination does come clarity.
And for all the digs aimed at Allen and Winter let’s not forget they have a superb success rate in sourcing and bringing in players. Including Russell Martin.
But then I suppose not everyone is going to be on board as the season has progressed. And sacking is not an option, it would cost the club heavily in finances. We all can see this football philosophy works, we’ve seen it on numerous occasions this season. The pace is boring mostly, and with that brings frustration I agree, but we are trying something unique for the first time in a long time.
It’s a bit like driving to Newcastle but getting out of your car at the services north of Birmingham and looking round complaining you haven’t reached your destination. You know what the journey entails but lost interest because the drive got boring on the way and you gave up. And there you are, stranded mid journey having lost your will to complete it.
You don’t know what you don’t know, and even when it’s explained in simple terms it seems there are those who really can’t be bothered to listen. Maybe they are stuck in the services repeating the same thing over and over again to anyone who will listen ? But why would anyone give up now having endured what they have to date ?
It makes no sense, none whatsoever.
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My view on Martin and the whole project can be summed up in a few bullet points, and I don't think many on here will find much to disagree with:
- he is a young and relatively inexperienced manager
- he has a commendable commitment to playing the kind of football that Swansea supporters love and that's been our signature style for at least 70 years (ie we play the ball on the grass not in the sky)
- he has many admirable personal values, including his veganism and his lifelong stand against racism
but
- his negative attributes include bravado ('a show of confidence designed to impress or intimidate'), stubborness, an unwillingness to take blame, and a readiness to discuss his players' mental health and shame them in public which I think verges on gaslighting
- the experienced personnel who might have had a word with him and helped him think about and address these problems (Scott and Tatey) have been removed. Luke Williams has walked (we don't know why)
this is a problem because
- the teams he puts out never seem to 'click' for the full 90 minutes, and often not at all, and they are easily undone by the smarter managers in the league, and we don't seem to have made any progress on this front despite the last transfer window
So it's great that Allen says in the interview that he regularly has mentoring type chats with Martin, some at RM's request and some unbidden (I do wonder whether this revelation is a response to posts on here and other forums). Because I would genuinely love to see this project succeed and for us to play like Guardiola's Man City. But for that to happen Martin needs to learn from Blackpool and bring a bit less ego and a bit more humility to his work, IMO. | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 11:59 - Mar 28 with 906 views | KeithHaynes |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 10:31 - Mar 28 by onehunglow |
No Keith.With respect superb i the wrong adjective.
Martin is certainly not superb; he is judged by the team's results,as are all managers.
Sourcing of players;Downes is terrific ,Fisher execrable.
No way can he possibly be given carte blanche or even carte noir.
Cadleigh very astutely has drawn the correct inference here.
A heavy defeat will see him get some real stick . His fan club will defend him as they would if he were kicking puppies into the Canal. |
This isn’t about personal like or dislike.
Nor favouritism.
Life isn’t always about taking sides.
It’s about stopping people kicking puppies in the canal 😉 | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 13:52 - Mar 28 with 856 views | Fireboy2 |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 07:05 - Mar 28 by KeithHaynes |
We get our main news feeds through a licence with Reuters, investigative open source inquiry and from press gatherings when the swans allow journalists in to the club. ( And the odd snippet from other areas ) 😉 However it does seem the club have given Mark Allen carte blanche on this occasion to explain his and the clubs position with Russell Martin. And of course an attempt to give an insight in to their current thinking and mindset.
The presentation of our articles and reports is down to us, the responses ( unless folk want to get involved with the news side of our website ) are down to the vast majority. And your views and many others are more than welcome and interesting of course. It’s why we do this.
This type of club endorsed article from swans official ( in part of course ) would have to be agreed to by Julian Winter at least, we are in the week of the derby against Cardiff. That is the point of this as well. We as an independent oddity don’t have restrictions unless self imposed. My personal thoughts are we have this season, we accept it. We have the summer for trading, we accept it. And we go again in the new season up until the World Cup in November and Russell Martin is then measured against his results.
To actually say that we will have 5,000 crowds etc is unhelpful because the swans have never had that level of low attendance since moving to the ‘ new stadium’ some 17 years ago. ( Not aimed at you ) Its an extremely negative feel to the words of Mark Allen when all he is doing is offering up some openness to the strategy ahead. ( Although he was never at Celtic )
There is a collective negative mindset especially within the internet support towards the club, and those who are in that state of mind purvey their thoughts continuously almost three times daily. To be able to analyse a situation without this negativity seems lost, it’s a shame. Nobody on here, and there are hundreds who contribute, and thousands who read it is devoid of that ability. We have been saying it all season, we have what we have, and we know what direction we are going in. Regardless of the negativity attached to that final sentence.
This is a roll of the dice that nobody expected this season before Cooper left, we should be applauding those within the stadium walls for their bravery in attempting to reintroduce us all to a football philosophy long lost. It’s not as of they are using this as a conspiracy to bring Swansea down, if it fails their own football futures are at risk. But there is a determination to succeed, and with that determination does come clarity.
And for all the digs aimed at Allen and Winter let’s not forget they have a superb success rate in sourcing and bringing in players. Including Russell Martin.
But then I suppose not everyone is going to be on board as the season has progressed. And sacking is not an option, it would cost the club heavily in finances. We all can see this football philosophy works, we’ve seen it on numerous occasions this season. The pace is boring mostly, and with that brings frustration I agree, but we are trying something unique for the first time in a long time.
It’s a bit like driving to Newcastle but getting out of your car at the services north of Birmingham and looking round complaining you haven’t reached your destination. You know what the journey entails but lost interest because the drive got boring on the way and you gave up. And there you are, stranded mid journey having lost your will to complete it.
You don’t know what you don’t know, and even when it’s explained in simple terms it seems there are those who really can’t be bothered to listen. Maybe they are stuck in the services repeating the same thing over and over again to anyone who will listen ? But why would anyone give up now having endured what they have to date ?
It makes no sense, none whatsoever.
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 14:27 - Mar 28 with 841 views | jasper_T |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 09:35 - Mar 28 by cadleigh |
Thanks Keith. My bad, he was of course at Rangers.
I wasn't having a go at the reporting, but I was puzzled at first as to whether this story was based on an exclusive interview, an analysis of and build on an interview posted by the club on the official website, or a pool press event that both the Independent and the official site attended. I didn't spell that out at the start of my post.
For what it's worth I found the news report on here insightful and value-adding. Good piece of work.
I don't share your positivity about the contribution of either Winter or Allen, I'm afraid. Winter's job above all is to ensure that communications between board and the football management are excellent and that the manager gets what he needs and understands what he can and can't have. Winter's first transfer window in charge saw the disastrous decision not to give Cooper the striker he needed to take us over the line. His third one was also a mess. I'll accept that the second one was a very good one.
As to Allen, I'm not close enough to the academy to know how good his signings were there (I think I have read that we did well under his stewardship) but since stepping up to Sporting Director of the club he has been underwhelming and his one transfer window in charge of recruitment was pretty patchy to say the least. |
Allen was only head of the academy for six months before being promoted, and much of the recruitment in that time was handled by people who were already at the club. It's a long process which was well underway by the time he'd settled in. Very difficult to judge how successful a stay that short might have been. | | | |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 14:38 - Mar 28 with 825 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 11:27 - Mar 28 by cadleigh |
My view on Martin and the whole project can be summed up in a few bullet points, and I don't think many on here will find much to disagree with:
- he is a young and relatively inexperienced manager
- he has a commendable commitment to playing the kind of football that Swansea supporters love and that's been our signature style for at least 70 years (ie we play the ball on the grass not in the sky)
- he has many admirable personal values, including his veganism and his lifelong stand against racism
but
- his negative attributes include bravado ('a show of confidence designed to impress or intimidate'), stubborness, an unwillingness to take blame, and a readiness to discuss his players' mental health and shame them in public which I think verges on gaslighting
- the experienced personnel who might have had a word with him and helped him think about and address these problems (Scott and Tatey) have been removed. Luke Williams has walked (we don't know why)
this is a problem because
- the teams he puts out never seem to 'click' for the full 90 minutes, and often not at all, and they are easily undone by the smarter managers in the league, and we don't seem to have made any progress on this front despite the last transfer window
So it's great that Allen says in the interview that he regularly has mentoring type chats with Martin, some at RM's request and some unbidden (I do wonder whether this revelation is a response to posts on here and other forums). Because I would genuinely love to see this project succeed and for us to play like Guardiola's Man City. But for that to happen Martin needs to learn from Blackpool and bring a bit less ego and a bit more humility to his work, IMO. |
I have a couple of minor points of dessention.
I am not sure that Martin's idea of fooball is the same as our ideal when were outplaying other teams with fast accurate passing, with PACE and wingers.
The second point is keeping the ball on the ground is not always the best idea, especially when you do have a bit of pace and players prepared to use it, the chip over the top can be more productive than trying to thread the ball through the eye of a needle. | | | |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 14:59 - Mar 28 with 793 views | onehunglow |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 11:59 - Mar 28 by KeithHaynes |
This isn’t about personal like or dislike.
Nor favouritism.
Life isn’t always about taking sides.
It’s about stopping people kicking puppies in the canal 😉 |
Look…I could have included pussies . I’m not all bad,mun | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 22:40 - Mar 28 with 725 views | AndyCole |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 11:27 - Mar 28 by cadleigh |
My view on Martin and the whole project can be summed up in a few bullet points, and I don't think many on here will find much to disagree with:
- he is a young and relatively inexperienced manager
- he has a commendable commitment to playing the kind of football that Swansea supporters love and that's been our signature style for at least 70 years (ie we play the ball on the grass not in the sky)
- he has many admirable personal values, including his veganism and his lifelong stand against racism
but
- his negative attributes include bravado ('a show of confidence designed to impress or intimidate'), stubborness, an unwillingness to take blame, and a readiness to discuss his players' mental health and shame them in public which I think verges on gaslighting
- the experienced personnel who might have had a word with him and helped him think about and address these problems (Scott and Tatey) have been removed. Luke Williams has walked (we don't know why)
this is a problem because
- the teams he puts out never seem to 'click' for the full 90 minutes, and often not at all, and they are easily undone by the smarter managers in the league, and we don't seem to have made any progress on this front despite the last transfer window
So it's great that Allen says in the interview that he regularly has mentoring type chats with Martin, some at RM's request and some unbidden (I do wonder whether this revelation is a response to posts on here and other forums). Because I would genuinely love to see this project succeed and for us to play like Guardiola's Man City. But for that to happen Martin needs to learn from Blackpool and bring a bit less ego and a bit more humility to his work, IMO. |
Far far too insightful, for the sheeple.
The other forum - such the blast. Packed with twps isn't it.. Schoolboy, elementary level dialogue as ever.
What's the catch Cadleigh ? | |
| Pro free speech and alternative opinions -
Anti gang-bullying and poor modding thereof -
Will always make a stand against those who consistently choose to turn a blind eye |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 23:46 - Mar 28 with 691 views | STID2017 |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 22:40 - Mar 28 by AndyCole |
Far far too insightful, for the sheeple.
The other forum - such the blast. Packed with twps isn't it.. Schoolboy, elementary level dialogue as ever.
What's the catch Cadleigh ? |
One thing is clear whichever side of the Russell Martin fence you stand - he is going nowhere.
Ger used to it.
Not hard to understand? | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 21:46 - Mar 29 with 616 views | cadleigh |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 23:46 - Mar 28 by STID2017 |
One thing is clear whichever side of the Russell Martin fence you stand - he is going nowhere.
Ger used to it.
Not hard to understand? |
Sigh… Jake is watching Martin increasingly closely and will not hesitate to cancel him unless there is a significant improvement soon. Don’t be distracted by Winter and Allen’s increasingly desperate efforts to make it seem like everything in the garden is fine, they are desperately hoping to save their own jobs. | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 22:03 - Mar 29 with 609 views | STID2017 |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 21:46 - Mar 29 by cadleigh |
Sigh… Jake is watching Martin increasingly closely and will not hesitate to cancel him unless there is a significant improvement soon. Don’t be distracted by Winter and Allen’s increasingly desperate efforts to make it seem like everything in the garden is fine, they are desperately hoping to save their own jobs. |
IMHO I cannot see him going until at least the end of the year, no matter how successful or otherwise we are | |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 22:25 - Mar 29 with 605 views | AndyCole |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 21:46 - Mar 29 by cadleigh |
Sigh… Jake is watching Martin increasingly closely and will not hesitate to cancel him unless there is a significant improvement soon. Don’t be distracted by Winter and Allen’s increasingly desperate efforts to make it seem like everything in the garden is fine, they are desperately hoping to save their own jobs. |
JS' finger's been on the pulse for quite some time. His visit cemented his beliefs.
Martin was a goner just before he got lucky when the senior players wrested control away from Martin for our mini purple patch. Papers had been drafted.
Martin is a 'sunk' cost. Therefore the decision to stick or twist is entirely based upon his achievements, or lack of. The lack of achievement and rate of regression is alarming.
JS' pockets are deep, uber deep. Martin needs to deliver or he's out, pronto.
Squeaky bum time, esp this weekend................ | |
| Pro free speech and alternative opinions -
Anti gang-bullying and poor modding thereof -
Will always make a stand against those who consistently choose to turn a blind eye |
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| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 22:49 - Mar 29 with 585 views | STID2017 |
| Mark Allen spells it out to Swansea City fans : Russell Martin is going nowhere on 22:25 - Mar 29 by AndyCole |
JS' finger's been on the pulse for quite some time. His visit cemented his beliefs.
Martin was a goner just before he got lucky when the senior players wrested control away from Martin for our mini purple patch. Papers had been drafted.
Martin is a 'sunk' cost. Therefore the decision to stick or twist is entirely based upon his achievements, or lack of. The lack of achievement and rate of regression is alarming.
JS' pockets are deep, uber deep. Martin needs to deliver or he's out, pronto.
Squeaky bum time, esp this weekend................ |
Nah mate.
Happy clappers will be out in force come 5.00 Saturday
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