| Sinn Fein 07:38 - Apr 4 with 10137 views | CountyJim |
Looking like they will be the biggest party in NI it's not really a surprise given how many unionist parties there are they are bound to spilt the vote
It would be nice to have a none religious vote over there but it's not going to happen |  | | |  |
| Sinn Fein on 09:59 - Apr 4 with 3534 views | onehunglow |
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| Sinn Fein on 12:16 - Apr 4 with 3454 views | trampie |
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| Sinn Fein on 12:58 - May 7 with 3327 views | CountyJim |
The unionists parties in NI are pretty thick arnt they they basically split the vote | | | |
| Sinn Fein on 13:00 - May 7 with 3317 views | onehunglow |
| Sinn Fein on 12:58 - May 7 by CountyJim |
The unionists parties in NI are pretty thick arnt they they basically split the vote |
Zein Fein Girls deeply involved in IRA over many years | |
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| Sinn Fein on 15:35 - May 7 with 3222 views | trampie |
| Sinn Fein on 12:58 - May 7 by CountyJim |
The unionists parties in NI are pretty thick arnt they they basically split the vote |
The Republican parties do the same Jim, SDLP is one that springs to mind that might take votes off Sinn Fein and visa versa but there are other smaller ones as well. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 18:10 - May 7 with 3196 views | Kilkennyjack |
Its the will of the people.
You know the rest. |  |
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| Sinn Fein on 23:58 - May 7 with 3119 views | Kilkennyjack |
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| Sinn Fein on 07:04 - May 8 with 3084 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 23:58 - May 7 by Kilkennyjack |
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Three unionist parties 40.1% down 3.3% 35 seats lost 4 seats
Three Republic parties 39.6% down 0.3% 35 seats lost 4 seats
Alliance party 13.5% up 4.5% 17 seats gained 9 seats
Others 3 seats
The Unionist and Republicans sides both lost 4 seats as the people of NI turned away from Sectarianism.
Big gain for the middle of the road alliance party. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 07:36 - May 8 with 3032 views | trampie |
Historic result for Sinn Fein, fantastic result for SNP, I'm sure Plaid have never had so many council's in Wales that they now control, makes one wonder if the union breaking up is gathering pace. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 08:43 - May 8 with 3048 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 07:36 - May 8 by trampie |
Historic result for Sinn Fein, fantastic result for SNP, I'm sure Plaid have never had so many council's in Wales that they now control, makes one wonder if the union breaking up is gathering pace. |
Hardly likely the unionist got more votes than the Republicans in NI with both parties around 40% and losing seats. Meanwhile in Wales Labour gain councilors while PC loose councilors.
Even in Scotland the SNP control just ONE council. Seems the Scottish voters do not trust the SNP to run councils let alone Scotland | |
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| Sinn Fein on 09:27 - May 8 with 2991 views | trampie |
| Sinn Fein on 08:43 - May 8 by felixstowe_jack |
Hardly likely the unionist got more votes than the Republicans in NI with both parties around 40% and losing seats. Meanwhile in Wales Labour gain councilors while PC loose councilors.
Even in Scotland the SNP control just ONE council. Seems the Scottish voters do not trust the SNP to run councils let alone Scotland |
The birth rate favours the Republican parties, the Alliance voters I would guess are pro Europe and pro Good Friday agreement so in a straight vote of one way or the other the Republican side might well get a large proportion of that vote, things are only going one way, Sinn Fein topped a recent poll in the Republic of Ireland and they are for a united Ireland and they could become the biggest party both in the North and South of Ireland.
SNP are doing fantastic there is no other way of describing their performances over the last few years up in Scotland they keep on winning, you would think that now having such a high starting base that their votes/seats/success would decline a bit but that is not the case, they are an amazing success story.
Have Plaid in Wales ever controlled more than one council or two council's ? (I can't be arsed to try and find out but 4 seems an amazing high number to me), it's hard to control council's outright in Wales because of Wales historically often voting in independent councillors which is not mirrored anywhere else in the UK to the same degree as far as I can see. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 13:45 - May 8 with 2975 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Sinn Fein on 09:27 - May 8 by trampie |
The birth rate favours the Republican parties, the Alliance voters I would guess are pro Europe and pro Good Friday agreement so in a straight vote of one way or the other the Republican side might well get a large proportion of that vote, things are only going one way, Sinn Fein topped a recent poll in the Republic of Ireland and they are for a united Ireland and they could become the biggest party both in the North and South of Ireland.
SNP are doing fantastic there is no other way of describing their performances over the last few years up in Scotland they keep on winning, you would think that now having such a high starting base that their votes/seats/success would decline a bit but that is not the case, they are an amazing success story.
Have Plaid in Wales ever controlled more than one council or two council's ? (I can't be arsed to try and find out but 4 seems an amazing high number to me), it's hard to control council's outright in Wales because of Wales historically often voting in independent councillors which is not mirrored anywhere else in the UK to the same degree as far as I can see. |
Lets remember Prof Drakers words on the union, he might not be Plaid but Welsh Labour has its own position. And its not pro the union and status quo.
First Minister Mark Drakeford said:
Wales’ future is best served by having strong devolution, so decisions about Wales are made in Wales, and by being an equal partner in a strong and revitalised United Kingdom.
For this to happen, the way the Union works must change. And the need for change is urgent, the Union has never been this fragile. If matters continue in their current vein the case for the break-up of the UK will only increase.
Too often we see the UK government act in an aggressively unilateral way, claiming to act on behalf of the whole UK, but without regard for the status of the nations and the democratic mandates of their government.
We see muscular unionism, instead of working towards a genuinely constructive and collaborative relationship between the governments of the UK.
It’s time for relationships to be reset. The principles and ways of working we have outlined would lead to the strong and durable Union, a Union which we believe would deliver the best outcomes for the people of Wales and the wider United Kingdom.
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| Sinn Fein on 14:04 - May 8 with 2962 views | Ebo |
Until 1973 a landlord with 20 tenants had 20 votes & the tenants had none in NI
Every person in a Protestant family had a vote, only one vote per Catholic household
The reunification of Ireland would have happened a lot sooner if the UK had treated all it's citizens equally |  |
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| Sinn Fein on 15:18 - May 8 with 2936 views | majorraglan |
| Sinn Fein on 14:04 - May 8 by Ebo |
Until 1973 a landlord with 20 tenants had 20 votes & the tenants had none in NI
Every person in a Protestant family had a vote, only one vote per Catholic household
The reunification of Ireland would have happened a lot sooner if the UK had treated all it's citizens equally |
Interest post, I was unaware of the different voting arrangements in Northern Ireland, but I don’t think it would have made a difference in relation to a united Ireland because the catholic/republican population has been in the minority.
The question regarding a united Ireland is interesting, the Catholic population is growing and it will soon outnumber the Unionist population so they’ll have the numbers, but whether that will be enough to persuade all the Catholics to vote for a United Ireland remains to be seen. From what I can see Northern Ireland is experiencing some shortages, but by enlarge the NI economy is booming and outperforming the rest of the UK snd trade with the ROI is up significantly. | | | |
| Sinn Fein on 16:55 - May 8 with 2896 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Sinn Fein on 15:18 - May 8 by majorraglan |
Interest post, I was unaware of the different voting arrangements in Northern Ireland, but I don’t think it would have made a difference in relation to a united Ireland because the catholic/republican population has been in the minority.
The question regarding a united Ireland is interesting, the Catholic population is growing and it will soon outnumber the Unionist population so they’ll have the numbers, but whether that will be enough to persuade all the Catholics to vote for a United Ireland remains to be seen. From what I can see Northern Ireland is experiencing some shortages, but by enlarge the NI economy is booming and outperforming the rest of the UK snd trade with the ROI is up significantly. |
Sort of …..
The new united Ireland will be for everyone …catholic and protestant and other.
The current leader is a gay man of part Indian heritage.
You cant imagine that in 1921, times have changed.
Critically it will be in the EU and so gets all the benefits.
Ideally it gets good access to UK as well, of course, which is why it is relatively booming now.
Remember the north of Ireland and Scotland both voted to stay in the EU.
Brexit will break up the UK, this is party boy Johnsons legacy. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 18:22 - May 8 with 2871 views | onehunglow |
Every time I see that blond leader woman carry McGuinesses coffin I th….
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| Sinn Fein on 18:43 - May 8 with 2816 views | trampie |
| Sinn Fein on 14:04 - May 8 by Ebo |
Until 1973 a landlord with 20 tenants had 20 votes & the tenants had none in NI
Every person in a Protestant family had a vote, only one vote per Catholic household
The reunification of Ireland would have happened a lot sooner if the UK had treated all it's citizens equally |
Gerrymandering. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 20:20 - May 8 with 2826 views | BryanSwan |
| Sinn Fein on 16:55 - May 8 by Kilkennyjack |
Sort of …..
The new united Ireland will be for everyone …catholic and protestant and other.
The current leader is a gay man of part Indian heritage.
You cant imagine that in 1921, times have changed.
Critically it will be in the EU and so gets all the benefits.
Ideally it gets good access to UK as well, of course, which is why it is relatively booming now.
Remember the north of Ireland and Scotland both voted to stay in the EU.
Brexit will break up the UK, this is party boy Johnsons legacy. |
With how things are going with N.Ireland and Scotland it does make me question the absolute apathy we have here in Wales.
Could you imagine being left tied to just England when N.Ire and Scotland leave. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 20:49 - May 8 with 2817 views | Lohengrin |
Let me just cut in here and lay out a few of what used to be called in the pre-internet days ‘facts.’ Truths that will serve to illustrate why any thinking politician in the Republic of Ireland would regard the possibility of a united Ireland with panic and something approaching horror.
First up the Republic gained membership of the EU in 1973. In nearly forty years she has been a net contributor on just two occasions. In 2018 the Republic paid the net cost of £2.5bn for that membership. To put that into context the UK treasury in 2018 made a £9.2bn subvention to Northern Ireland. By the time of the 2021 Autumn Budget that cost tipped over the £15bn mark.
Now picture this scenario and understand it: imagine that following a successful border poll, successful that is from an Irish nationalist perspective, the transition was to take place at Midnight, 31st December. As the clocks chimed down to herald the new year some 220,000 people in Northern Ireland would instantly find themselves out of work. In a ratio far in excess of any other constituent part of the United Kingdom one in four people of working age are employed in the public sector.
Could Dublin absorb that number? There would be total economic meltdown. |  |
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| Sinn Fein on 21:28 - May 8 with 2758 views | trampie |
| Sinn Fein on 20:49 - May 8 by Lohengrin |
Let me just cut in here and lay out a few of what used to be called in the pre-internet days ‘facts.’ Truths that will serve to illustrate why any thinking politician in the Republic of Ireland would regard the possibility of a united Ireland with panic and something approaching horror.
First up the Republic gained membership of the EU in 1973. In nearly forty years she has been a net contributor on just two occasions. In 2018 the Republic paid the net cost of £2.5bn for that membership. To put that into context the UK treasury in 2018 made a £9.2bn subvention to Northern Ireland. By the time of the 2021 Autumn Budget that cost tipped over the £15bn mark.
Now picture this scenario and understand it: imagine that following a successful border poll, successful that is from an Irish nationalist perspective, the transition was to take place at Midnight, 31st December. As the clocks chimed down to herald the new year some 220,000 people in Northern Ireland would instantly find themselves out of work. In a ratio far in excess of any other constituent part of the United Kingdom one in four people of working age are employed in the public sector.
Could Dublin absorb that number? There would be total economic meltdown. |
Dublin won't have to absorb that number, the UK Government will give their employees public sector jobs over here the ones that want to relocate that is. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 21:34 - May 8 with 2781 views | Lohengrin |
| Sinn Fein on 21:28 - May 8 by trampie |
Dublin won't have to absorb that number, the UK Government will give their employees public sector jobs over here the ones that want to relocate that is. |
There are forty NHS hospitals in Northern Ireland, Tramp, including the UK’s biggest general hospital in Belfast. What happens to all the cancer patients, the pregnant women, the infirm elderly if all the staff just walk out and head for the ferry? | |
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| Sinn Fein on 21:44 - May 8 with 2728 views | trampie |
| Sinn Fein on 21:34 - May 8 by Lohengrin |
There are forty NHS hospitals in Northern Ireland, Tramp, including the UK’s biggest general hospital in Belfast. What happens to all the cancer patients, the pregnant women, the infirm elderly if all the staff just walk out and head for the ferry? |
A united Ireland will still need those hospitals in the North so those jobs would not be under threat, pen pushers jobs might be in some other public sectors and the UK Government will offer them the 3 R's (redundancy, relocation or redeployment). | |
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| Sinn Fein on 21:50 - May 8 with 2745 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 16:55 - May 8 by Kilkennyjack |
Sort of …..
The new united Ireland will be for everyone …catholic and protestant and other.
The current leader is a gay man of part Indian heritage.
You cant imagine that in 1921, times have changed.
Critically it will be in the EU and so gets all the benefits.
Ideally it gets good access to UK as well, of course, which is why it is relatively booming now.
Remember the north of Ireland and Scotland both voted to stay in the EU.
Brexit will break up the UK, this is party boy Johnsons legacy. |
Little chance of a United Ireland. The Republicans actual lost 5 seats and their vote share fell below 40%
The alliance Party gained 9 seats and that is the way forward for NI non sectarian politics. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 21:52 - May 8 with 2747 views | Lohengrin |
| Sinn Fein on 21:44 - May 8 by trampie |
A united Ireland will still need those hospitals in the North so those jobs would not be under threat, pen pushers jobs might be in some other public sectors and the UK Government will offer them the 3 R's (redundancy, relocation or redeployment). |
Leaving aside the fact that all the equipment would be the property of the NHS not Healthcare Ireland, current per capita spending is about £1000 higher in Northern Ireland than in the Republic.
Treatment pathways would be abruptly cut off. People would die, Tramp. [Post edited 8 May 2022 22:47]
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| Sinn Fein on 21:56 - May 8 with 2744 views | Lorax |
| Sinn Fein on 07:36 - May 8 by trampie |
Historic result for Sinn Fein, fantastic result for SNP, I'm sure Plaid have never had so many council's in Wales that they now control, makes one wonder if the union breaking up is gathering pace. |
You said they'd won 4 councils before, on a different thread. Which is it? As I pointed out, plaids share of the vote dropped, outside of their heartlands nobody much cares for them and that means independence is a forlorn hope for a long time.
Scotland and Northern Ireland may be a different story, who knows. | | | |
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