| Anti-Semitism in Football 22:18 - Jul 27 with 7079 views | Kerouac |
Let's kick it out shall we...
I for one want to know what our club intends to do about it.
I am proposing that before every game, after the obligatory kneeling, our players turn towards the fans and beat their chests with their right fist over their heart for 10 seconds.
Do my fellow Jacks agree?
If not, why not?
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 22:10 - Jul 28 with 721 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 22:04 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
Some may have chosen too but I’d wager a minority. I’d also like to know the dates of those photos.
Maybe I’m wrong. We’ll see after Saturday and going forward. |
Some don’t do the fist, some do - but it’s always in conjunction with the knee. Both the knee and the fist are synonymous with BLM. You can’t say the fist is but the knee isn’t, if one is then they both are.
Brewster did it throughout his stay with us and so did Ayew I believe.
Again, if they wanted no confusion then they would have changed the action wouldn’t they? Complete common sense.
This is a way to continue to show BLM support but saying “nah means something else now”. It’s either extremely lazy in which case the action is meaningless anyway, done by utter morons who don’t even know what it represents or covertly sinister.
I think if you asked 1000 kneeling footballers what they are kneeling for you would get a variety of answers, and in amongst those answers would be “support for BLM”. I don’t see how anyone could possibly disagree with that. |  |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 22:14 - Jul 28 with 717 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 22:10 - Jul 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Some don’t do the fist, some do - but it’s always in conjunction with the knee. Both the knee and the fist are synonymous with BLM. You can’t say the fist is but the knee isn’t, if one is then they both are.
Brewster did it throughout his stay with us and so did Ayew I believe.
Again, if they wanted no confusion then they would have changed the action wouldn’t they? Complete common sense.
This is a way to continue to show BLM support but saying “nah means something else now”. It’s either extremely lazy in which case the action is meaningless anyway, done by utter morons who don’t even know what it represents or covertly sinister.
I think if you asked 1000 kneeling footballers what they are kneeling for you would get a variety of answers, and in amongst those answers would be “support for BLM”. I don’t see how anyone could possibly disagree with that. |
Depends If it’s the sentiment or the political group.
Off to watch the 7’s at the commonwealth games early tomorrow so I’m out for the weekend.
If this identity politics is still live on Sunday night I’m sure I’ll pick it back up. |  | | |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 22:28 - Jul 28 with 704 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 22:14 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
Depends If it’s the sentiment or the political group.
Off to watch the 7’s at the commonwealth games early tomorrow so I’m out for the weekend.
If this identity politics is still live on Sunday night I’m sure I’ll pick it back up. |
The sentiment shouldn’t even come into play either if the meaning has changed.
It’s supposed to be about equality, that means Asians, Indiginous and Romany people too. Many of which don’t identify as “black”.
This is a movement started in America over the false reporting of police brutality statistics towards black people. It’s a movement that started in the NFL and made its way across the world of sport. Players and clubs adopted it because it was the movement of the time.
Once they realised it was all a sham, instead of losing face they continued to do it and gaslit the detractors by telling them that it doesn’t mean what it obviously does, and accusing those people of being racist because they are against the message.
Now it’s a stand off.
If this was genuinely about equality in sport or whatever they have changed it to now. When they realised the whole BLM lie, they should have apologised for their lack of research and used that opportunity to adopt a new thing completely wash their hands with BLM and get everyone on board.
It’s all about ego and compliance now. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 23:17 - Jul 28 with 684 views | Catullus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:13 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
I never clapped for the NHS (a pointless gesture), I do contribute a lot of tax for the NHS though (based in reality). |
You never clapped eh, well that was your choice, are you anti NHS then? Can you see the silliness in making that assumption.
Of course if you ask people why taking the knee started you will get answers that include BLM because it's factually correct. That doesn't mean that taking the knee still supports BLM.
If you asked the question to me I could say that taking the knee in support of the fight against racism started in Alabama in 1965 with MLK. It's also factually correct. The link to BLM is a factual one but it's not why people choose to take the knee anymore.
If someone does something and gives a reason for why they do it, who are you to tell them they are wrong?
Now this clapping is a pointless gesture thing, I know quite a few NHS staff and they loved seeing people showing their support for them at a very bad time. Pointless suggests it meant nothing, that is just your opinion, I personally know people whom it meant something to. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 23:27 - Jul 28 with 670 views | Catullus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:16 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
"For clarity, taking the knee used to be to support BLM and many of us objected to that. Taking the knee now is about kicking racism out, including anti Semitism."
..."for clarity", that is hilarious mate, fair play. |
Hilarious, why? Was it not clear enough? The players and the club are saying the same thing. it's just people like you who won't let it go.
What is hilarious is that when people say they are doing something for a specitic reason, somebody feels entitled to call them liars and say it's obviously for a different reason.
Possibly even worse is that with absolutely no evidence you have suggested they are coerced into it. Maybe ask the club and players first why are they doing it and is anybody coerced? When you have the evidence then fair enough.
Is that clear enough or are you struggling to comprehend? | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 00:03 - Jul 29 with 658 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 23:17 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
You never clapped eh, well that was your choice, are you anti NHS then? Can you see the silliness in making that assumption.
Of course if you ask people why taking the knee started you will get answers that include BLM because it's factually correct. That doesn't mean that taking the knee still supports BLM.
If you asked the question to me I could say that taking the knee in support of the fight against racism started in Alabama in 1965 with MLK. It's also factually correct. The link to BLM is a factual one but it's not why people choose to take the knee anymore.
If someone does something and gives a reason for why they do it, who are you to tell them they are wrong?
Now this clapping is a pointless gesture thing, I know quite a few NHS staff and they loved seeing people showing their support for them at a very bad time. Pointless suggests it meant nothing, that is just your opinion, I personally know people whom it meant something to. |
"You never clapped eh, well that was your choice, are you anti NHS then? Can you see the silliness in making that assumption."
Dear, dear you are confused aren't you.
Yes it is my choice and has nothing to do with you.
Yes I can see the silliness in that assumption, remember me Cat? The bloke who was routinely accused of being racist for not supporting the aims of BLM? Do you remember that Cat? I don't remember you making the stance I did even though you now admit that BLM were up to no good.
I would never make that assumption, do you understand that point Cat?
"Of course if you ask people why taking the knee started you will get answers that include BLM because it's factually correct. That doesn't mean that taking the knee still supports BLM."
This assertion is so silly Cat, and this confused assertion was the source of my laughter.
If you wish to understand why I find this thinking so, so, funny Cat I suggest you scroll up and have a read back through...because you see, both I and Dr. P have already explained why the claim that making the BLM gestures (which were installed at our football club during the midst of BLM fever) whilst pretending the gestures have nothing to do with BLM is so absurd.
You should be concerned about the obvious BLM link and correlation with the timeline...because you are somebody who understands that BLM were up to no good, remember! You stated so on page 1 of this thread!! Jesus Wept!!! 
"If you asked the question to me I could say that taking the knee in support of the fight against racism started in Alabama in 1965 with MLK. It's also factually correct. The link to BLM is a factual one but it's not why people choose to take the knee anymore."
I wouldn't ask you though Cat, because you are so confused.
You see, all of the photos of Martin Luther King kneeling are photos of him praying...because I don't know if you know Cat but he was a bit of a Christian, man of the cloth, the full works.
Are you suggesting that our players are praying to a Christian God out there at 2.59pm on a Saturday Cat?
"If someone does something and gives a reason for why they do it, who are you to tell them they are wrong?"
I am somebody who can reason, that's who I am.
Do you believe everybody as you sail through life Cat? Do you buy off every salesman? Do you buy the sob stories of career criminals? Do you believe every politician? If Cat Jr comes home and says "sod doing homework, I'm going up the park to smoke blow, I need to, I feel stressed", do you reply; "yes, of course. Who am I to tell you that you are wrong"?
Don't be so naive Cat.
"Now this clapping is a pointless gesture thing, I know quite a few NHS staff and they loved seeing people showing their support for them at a very bad time. Pointless suggests it meant nothing, that is just your opinion, I personally know people whom it meant something to."
That's wonderful Cat. I have a mate, a neighbour, who is a Consultant...he hated it, found it ridiculous, stupid and personally felt insulted by it.
It did mean nothing in reality Cat.
Should we all go outside and clap Ukrainian armed forces Cat? After all we have lots of Ukrainians here now to listen to us clapping, I'm sure it would mean such a lot to them...it is absurd isn't it.
At least, to all the intelligent, rational, sane, people left in this country it is absurd. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 00:19 - Jul 29 with 635 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 23:27 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
Hilarious, why? Was it not clear enough? The players and the club are saying the same thing. it's just people like you who won't let it go.
What is hilarious is that when people say they are doing something for a specitic reason, somebody feels entitled to call them liars and say it's obviously for a different reason.
Possibly even worse is that with absolutely no evidence you have suggested they are coerced into it. Maybe ask the club and players first why are they doing it and is anybody coerced? When you have the evidence then fair enough.
Is that clear enough or are you struggling to comprehend? |
"Hilarious, why? Was it not clear enough? The players and the club are saying the same thing. it's just people like you who won't let it go."
I won't let go Cat? I won't let go?!?
It is 2 years later and they are still doing this American Leftist gesture before every single game.
We are Swansea City Cat. We represent Swansea and the surrounding areas.
If the players and the club want to hijack our town's club, hijack my father/son time every Saturday afternoon by pushing the politics of an organisation you admit are up to no good...if they won't let it go AFTER TWO YEARS...why on earth should I or any other supporter let it go Cat?
When is enough enough?
"What is hilarious is that when people say they are doing something for a specitic reason, somebody feels entitled to call them liars and say it's obviously for a different reason."
Oh but I am entitled Cat. They are free to claim whatever they want and I am free to call them out when they are obviously lying.
"Possibly even worse is that with absolutely no evidence you have suggested they are coerced into it. Maybe ask the club and players first why are they doing it and is anybody coerced? When you have the evidence then fair enough."
Of course they are being coerced into it and I have supplied the evidence above, Gwyn quoted himself with an example.
If somebody is being coerced, that means they won't feel free to share their true feelings so it is pointless asking them right? Correct?
I asked you whether it was likely that all of our players held similar political beliefs didn't I ?
You replied that this was unlikely.
Yet they all kneel don't they? Why?
Hold yourself to your own standards and do not post your opinions unless you can present solid evidence to back that opinion up. Capiche?
I know that you are struggling to comprehend, so may I suggest that you purchase a dictionary.
Ta-raa! | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 01:10 - Jul 29 with 622 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 23:17 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
You never clapped eh, well that was your choice, are you anti NHS then? Can you see the silliness in making that assumption.
Of course if you ask people why taking the knee started you will get answers that include BLM because it's factually correct. That doesn't mean that taking the knee still supports BLM.
If you asked the question to me I could say that taking the knee in support of the fight against racism started in Alabama in 1965 with MLK. It's also factually correct. The link to BLM is a factual one but it's not why people choose to take the knee anymore.
If someone does something and gives a reason for why they do it, who are you to tell them they are wrong?
Now this clapping is a pointless gesture thing, I know quite a few NHS staff and they loved seeing people showing their support for them at a very bad time. Pointless suggests it meant nothing, that is just your opinion, I personally know people whom it meant something to. |
Then that world would be an awful one.
Would you accept it if one of these morons doing monkey gestures said they were doing it because they wanted to support the endangered species in Borneo?
Of course you wouldn’t, and neither would I.
The knee is done in support of BLM, that is the modern iteration and was plastered all over these clubs social media, the players doing the BLM fist to go alongside it and BLM being daubed about certain stadiums.
When you go that far with it, you can’t just break away and pretend there is no link. People aren’t stupid. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 09:12 - Jul 29 with 579 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:45 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
Read back, I did not brand you anti-semitic. I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
I think, if you did a balance sheet of crimes committed by different people's/countries around the world, you would struggle to justify the statements you make.
Maybe that's why you don't put forward a proper argument, listing the crimes of each country.
As you don't do that but continue to make those assertions I put it to you that you have an inherent bias and hold Israel to a much higher standard than you do other countries...and frankly ignore the awful crimes committed against them...therefore the accusation of Anti-Semite might fit. |
Everyone has a bias. Of course, I do too.
I mean, I don' know a lot about world affairs. I don't watch the news, so cannot comment on what most countries do.
The reason I have more info and bias towards certain countries, is because they are closer to me, or I have ties to them, hence why I have learned more about them.
UK and US history is forced upon us through school, TV and movies. I've also watched many documentaries and war movies to see both sides of different conflicts involving the West.
I have Muslim relatives, so I have learned a lot more about what actually goes on with them.
Also spend quite a lot of time in Portugal, so I probably have a bit more knowledge about there too.
So yes, I am going to be biased. I think everyone is in a way. But the bias is only in terms of my knowledge about certain places.
I mean, I don't know anything about what goes on inside China. I'm not saying that UK are worse. Just don't know.
My point is, what they are doing over there is bad. Much worse than the "awful" crimes committed against them, yes.
But, as I said, I have met Jews, and I have liked each and every one of them. Most o them even agreed with me that what they are doing to Palestinians is not fair.
I like Jewish people, just don't like Israels actions and the actions of many Jewish settlers there.
If players decide to start punching their chests for the Jews, then so be it.
I'm not in support of any gestures before kick off tbh. But if players want to kneel then happy days. If they want to put their fist up for BLM, then it's up to them. I they want to beat their chests or wear rainbow laces, good on them. |  |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 09:18 - Jul 29 with 576 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:56 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
No evidence then?
As to the other point if the players decided to make a gesture supporting anti-semitism I would support them as I would for group I feel could benefit.
As for taking the knee I think it’s pretty pointless but if the players want to do it, then crack on.
This of course is based on taking the knee for rejecting discrimination and not supporting a very specific American political movement. Which it isn’t any more. |
Agree totally again...
Strange that after this threa yesterday, we have decided to stop taking the knee altogether. Maybe they read this haha
https://www.swanseacity.com/ne | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 09:26 - Jul 29 with 574 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:49 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
Well Gwyn, I can't be bothered to go right back to 2020, busy, but I will say this...
I have always thought of you as a decent bloke on the Left, which is great 'cos there aren't too many about, but unfortunately I think of those like you on the Left in the same manner as I think of the tolerant Western Muslim.
Tolerant Western Muslims may be proponents of a religion which is the antithesis of what our culture has always stood for, they may stand silent in the Mosque and think 'that's a bit much' as someone rants about the West...but they don't do anything to stop the more extreme elements pushing for more, more, more...ultimately they are still part of an ideology and a culture where the vast majority says that homosexuals must not be allowed to teach in the classroom (for example)...they don't fight back and ultimately they are the people who are excusing and allowing for the direction of travel...
Here you are celebrating how the announcer at a stadium worded the announcement of 'the kneel' so that any player who disagreed with kneeling could not remain standing as clearly that would make him a racist...
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But you can say the same about any religion mate.
How many church goers do you see joining in protests against US and UK global invasions?
It's not just one sided.
Maybe the Muslims can do a little dance after the chest beating before games too? | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 09:26 - Jul 29 with 574 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 09:12 - Jul 29 by jackrmee |
Everyone has a bias. Of course, I do too.
I mean, I don' know a lot about world affairs. I don't watch the news, so cannot comment on what most countries do.
The reason I have more info and bias towards certain countries, is because they are closer to me, or I have ties to them, hence why I have learned more about them.
UK and US history is forced upon us through school, TV and movies. I've also watched many documentaries and war movies to see both sides of different conflicts involving the West.
I have Muslim relatives, so I have learned a lot more about what actually goes on with them.
Also spend quite a lot of time in Portugal, so I probably have a bit more knowledge about there too.
So yes, I am going to be biased. I think everyone is in a way. But the bias is only in terms of my knowledge about certain places.
I mean, I don't know anything about what goes on inside China. I'm not saying that UK are worse. Just don't know.
My point is, what they are doing over there is bad. Much worse than the "awful" crimes committed against them, yes.
But, as I said, I have met Jews, and I have liked each and every one of them. Most o them even agreed with me that what they are doing to Palestinians is not fair.
I like Jewish people, just don't like Israels actions and the actions of many Jewish settlers there.
If players decide to start punching their chests for the Jews, then so be it.
I'm not in support of any gestures before kick off tbh. But if players want to kneel then happy days. If they want to put their fist up for BLM, then it's up to them. I they want to beat their chests or wear rainbow laces, good on them. |
If you don't know the crimes, both historical and in the present, of the likes of China...then you are not qualified to make the claims you are making about Israel, U.K. and the U.S.A.
There is no excuse for this level of ignorance anymore. You have a library at your fingertips.
Research the crimes of the CCP and the Soviet Union and what the Nazi's did to Jews (as well as millions of others across Europe....have a look at the crimes of Japan, research how Islam spread, work out how they treated those that they conquered, find out how Jewish people have been treated by Islam over the many centuries....research how a region of India became known as the Hindu Kush...work out what the Spanish and Portugese did in South America....have a look at the genocides in Africa, work out how the slave trade started etc. etc. etc.
When you have done that, weigh it up with what you know about UK, U.S. & Israel and compare honestly.
Then you can make statements about which countries are uniquely "evil".
By the way, what does this mean?
"My point is, what they are doing over there is bad. Much worse than the "awful" crimes committed against them, yes." | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 09:33 - Jul 29 with 565 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 23:17 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
You never clapped eh, well that was your choice, are you anti NHS then? Can you see the silliness in making that assumption.
Of course if you ask people why taking the knee started you will get answers that include BLM because it's factually correct. That doesn't mean that taking the knee still supports BLM.
If you asked the question to me I could say that taking the knee in support of the fight against racism started in Alabama in 1965 with MLK. It's also factually correct. The link to BLM is a factual one but it's not why people choose to take the knee anymore.
If someone does something and gives a reason for why they do it, who are you to tell them they are wrong?
Now this clapping is a pointless gesture thing, I know quite a few NHS staff and they loved seeing people showing their support for them at a very bad time. Pointless suggests it meant nothing, that is just your opinion, I personally know people whom it meant something to. |
Excellent post. Good point about the clapping. It meant something to some people, nothing to others. Same as the kneee really.
I'm sure that if the knee thing was still advertised as supporting BLM, many players would refuse.
It's probably the main reason the sentiment was changed, so that many other players agreed to continue to do it. Obviously, there are still players who support BLM and it hasn't changed or them. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 09:45 - Jul 29 with 554 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 09:26 - Jul 29 by Kerouac |
If you don't know the crimes, both historical and in the present, of the likes of China...then you are not qualified to make the claims you are making about Israel, U.K. and the U.S.A.
There is no excuse for this level of ignorance anymore. You have a library at your fingertips.
Research the crimes of the CCP and the Soviet Union and what the Nazi's did to Jews (as well as millions of others across Europe....have a look at the crimes of Japan, research how Islam spread, work out how they treated those that they conquered, find out how Jewish people have been treated by Islam over the many centuries....research how a region of India became known as the Hindu Kush...work out what the Spanish and Portugese did in South America....have a look at the genocides in Africa, work out how the slave trade started etc. etc. etc.
When you have done that, weigh it up with what you know about UK, U.S. & Israel and compare honestly.
Then you can make statements about which countries are uniquely "evil".
By the way, what does this mean?
"My point is, what they are doing over there is bad. Much worse than the "awful" crimes committed against them, yes." |
I can say what I like about anyone mate.
If someone beat up my brother, I would be allowed to be pissed off with the perpetrator. I don't have to go round finding out how many other people have been beaten up and working out whether it was worse than my brother's beating, before I can be upset.
I am not comparing, or saying anyone is "uniquely" evil. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:05 - Jul 29 with 549 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:29 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
Why not?
After all, a precedent has been set. Why do we support some worthy causes and not others. It is a question there is no satisfactory answer too other than 'political correctness'.
Certain political stances are allowed, encouraged, raised up and some are not...when you analyse 'why' you find that the only difference between whether the public are bullied into accepting something or not is whether those doing the bullying are on the Left or not.
That is the plain truth that all implicitly understand.
How long should we support our players kneeling for BLM before every fixture for.
Is this going to go on forever?
When it stops will any other political gestures be adopted and given a turn?
Will those on the Left ever be forced to comply with politics at sport that makes them feel uncomfortable?
Or does it just go one way? |
It's the same throughout society mate.
Why do we support some wars and not others? Why is Ukraine all we here about when there are wars going on all over the world.
Why isn'y Yemen plastered all over the TV? Why aren't people flying Palestinian flags on their cars?
We are fed what people want us to do, to fit their agenda. Taking the knee is the same I guess. Someone somewhere had an agenda. BLM to begin with, but the players decided to change it and take the knee for a different reason. Probably because so many of them didn't feel right doing it for BLM. Fair enough I think. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:07 - Jul 29 with 548 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:37 - Jul 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
You ask the players what the knee is for and I’m sure many would respond “BLM”.
It isn’t just a link, the knee is BLM.
I even type it in here and look at the emoji that comes up… BLM
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It's not BLM to all people who do it though.
And it doesn't mean BLM to all people that see it being done.
Some maybe, but many who disagreed with it being for BLM have now accepted the change. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:12 - Jul 29 with 547 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 22:10 - Jul 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Some don’t do the fist, some do - but it’s always in conjunction with the knee. Both the knee and the fist are synonymous with BLM. You can’t say the fist is but the knee isn’t, if one is then they both are.
Brewster did it throughout his stay with us and so did Ayew I believe.
Again, if they wanted no confusion then they would have changed the action wouldn’t they? Complete common sense.
This is a way to continue to show BLM support but saying “nah means something else now”. It’s either extremely lazy in which case the action is meaningless anyway, done by utter morons who don’t even know what it represents or covertly sinister.
I think if you asked 1000 kneeling footballers what they are kneeling for you would get a variety of answers, and in amongst those answers would be “support for BLM”. I don’t see how anyone could possibly disagree with that. |
So what i you got 1000 answers though? They can do it for what they want.
Imagine being a player. How difficult it must be for you to be the only one on the field not kneeling. They'd be abused for being racist.
Much easier to say "hanag on, I don't mind kneeling, but I don't agree with BLM. I don't want to stop, as I would be victimised. The only way I'll do it is if it about racism in general."
Hence why it's still being done. Even by players who don't support BLM. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:32 - Jul 29 with 542 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:07 - Jul 29 by jackrmee |
It's not BLM to all people who do it though.
And it doesn't mean BLM to all people that see it being done.
Some maybe, but many who disagreed with it being for BLM have now accepted the change. |
If it’s BLM for some, but not to others… and if some people see it as BLM but others do not…
When your goal is unity, it’s already defeating the object. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:35 - Jul 29 with 540 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:12 - Jul 29 by jackrmee |
So what i you got 1000 answers though? They can do it for what they want.
Imagine being a player. How difficult it must be for you to be the only one on the field not kneeling. They'd be abused for being racist.
Much easier to say "hanag on, I don't mind kneeling, but I don't agree with BLM. I don't want to stop, as I would be victimised. The only way I'll do it is if it about racism in general."
Hence why it's still being done. Even by players who don't support BLM. |
Because if shows that it’s a confusing message and one which the goal of unity will never be reached.
It needs to be a clear message, a distinct visual and have absolutely no connection to BLM.
Swansea have today scrapped it, probably for this kind of reasoning. The message is completely diluted and even tarnished. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:35 - Jul 29 with 541 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:32 - Jul 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
If it’s BLM for some, but not to others… and if some people see it as BLM but others do not…
When your goal is unity, it’s already defeating the object. |
It doesn't really matter though.
If the person doing it actually beieves he is doing it to support his next door neighbour who is a Jew, who cares? It means that to him and that's all that matters really. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:37 - Jul 29 with 539 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:35 - Jul 29 by jackrmee |
It doesn't really matter though.
If the person doing it actually beieves he is doing it to support his next door neighbour who is a Jew, who cares? It means that to him and that's all that matters really. |
Because it doesn’t mean that to others. BLM is an extremely offensive organisation.
I’m sure you would be one of the first to object if I did a Nazi salute but said “nah I’m doing it for love”.
You would probably make the common sense suggestion I change from the offensive gesture that I have now decided to link to it. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:42 - Jul 29 with 535 views | onehunglow |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:37 - Jul 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Because it doesn’t mean that to others. BLM is an extremely offensive organisation.
I’m sure you would be one of the first to object if I did a Nazi salute but said “nah I’m doing it for love”.
You would probably make the common sense suggestion I change from the offensive gesture that I have now decided to link to it. |
Fair play.
I don't hare all your views and that of Kerouc but you're keeping this site lively.
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:53 - Jul 29 with 531 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:37 - Jul 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Because it doesn’t mean that to others. BLM is an extremely offensive organisation.
I’m sure you would be one of the first to object if I did a Nazi salute but said “nah I’m doing it for love”.
You would probably make the common sense suggestion I change from the offensive gesture that I have now decided to link to it. |
I can see your point about the salute.
I still don't think that the knee thing is for BLM though. At the start yes, but I don't think all the players do it for BLM these days. Hardly any in fact. Hence, in the UK, the knee no longer represents BLM.
I'm sure if millions of people started using the nazi salute for love, after a few years of the actual neo nazis being outweighed by millions of lovers, the meaning of the salute would be diluted to them and could even be transferred to a symbol of love.
That would actually be quite awesome!! Heck of an idea Doc!!! | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:58 - Jul 29 with 529 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 10:53 - Jul 29 by jackrmee |
I can see your point about the salute.
I still don't think that the knee thing is for BLM though. At the start yes, but I don't think all the players do it for BLM these days. Hardly any in fact. Hence, in the UK, the knee no longer represents BLM.
I'm sure if millions of people started using the nazi salute for love, after a few years of the actual neo nazis being outweighed by millions of lovers, the meaning of the salute would be diluted to them and could even be transferred to a symbol of love.
That would actually be quite awesome!! Heck of an idea Doc!!! |
I’m sure many still do, it’s synonymous with it. But that’s what I mean about ask 1000 people why they are doing it and you would get a heap of different answers.
The idea behind it is a show of unity. If nobody can even agree what it’s about then how can anyone be unified?
If people are genuine about it being against discrimination in football then come together and come up with something completely unique. Certainly don’t use a divisive political gesture steeped in anti semitism and extreme far left politics.
Just common sense. There is a reason everyone seems to be now like warm on continuing the knee. It was executed awfully and clumsy and messy in its message - in short it didn’t work and wasn’t fit for purpose.
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 11:13 - Jul 29 with 522 views | jackrmee |
No mention of BLM at all in Swansea's reasoning to stop taking the knee.
Apparently., most players wanted to stop because they realised it meant nothing, after Rhys Williams was abused and nothing was done.
Russel Martin also explains what our players were kneeling for and it wasn't BLM.
"This is not a decision that has been taken lightly, and in no way reflects any diminishing of our belief that discrimination of any nature is abhorrent and has no place in football or society. We remain firmly in support of what taking the knee stands for and represents.
"Taking the knee has undoubtedly helped to raise awareness and encourage conversations about how to remove racism from the game we all love.
"Should any opposition side take the knee before a game this season, then we will line-up and applaud them, because we absolutely support the sentiment behind it.
"But we feel we want to take responsibility as a group and find alternative ways to show our commitment to inclusion and diversity, and we feel that needs to run deeper than taking the knee each time we play.
We want to work to be a force for positive, substantive change.
As a club, Swansea City is committed to equality, diversity and inclusion, and we will seek to keep working alongside the Swansea City AFC Foundation, who do so much good in promoting the message that football, and sport in general, is for everyone."
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