| PAY UP > SALA on 14:19 - Aug 27 with 1430 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| PAY UP > SALA on 14:09 - Aug 27 by GixerJack |
Yeah, my aunties, cousins, brother in laws, ex girlfriends, old boss reckons that Sergei was carrying out maintenance over that weekend, I also remember my neighbour being annoyed because he had to drive his brand new Jag home without insurance
Just for the avoidance of doubt, I just made that up [Post edited 27 Aug 2022 14:11]
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| PAY UP > SALA on 14:29 - Aug 27 with 1419 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| PAY UP > SALA on 12:27 - Aug 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
This is entirely consistent with what I have posted. The insurers will sort out the mess. That is their 9 to 5 job.
This suggests Cardiff did have insurance. |
Of course they did. Every business will have insurance that covers every employee. You don’t have to manually insure every new employee you take on. I would hazard a guess though that this insurance only covers the employee whilst engaged in professional work related activity. And this journey was for him to say goodbye to his old teammates so could be deemed as a personal or pleasure trip.
Either way it’s very unlikely anyway that the transfer fee would be covered by any insurance. It would be a simple contract that would state that Cardiff would pay X amount on these dates and in return Nantes would transfer the registration. Nantes have completed their side of the contract. Cardiff don’t have a leg to stand on really. |  |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 14:42 - Aug 27 with 1401 views | vetchonian |
| PAY UP > SALA on 14:29 - Aug 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Of course they did. Every business will have insurance that covers every employee. You don’t have to manually insure every new employee you take on. I would hazard a guess though that this insurance only covers the employee whilst engaged in professional work related activity. And this journey was for him to say goodbye to his old teammates so could be deemed as a personal or pleasure trip.
Either way it’s very unlikely anyway that the transfer fee would be covered by any insurance. It would be a simple contract that would state that Cardiff would pay X amount on these dates and in return Nantes would transfer the registration. Nantes have completed their side of the contract. Cardiff don’t have a leg to stand on really. |
And no pot to p155 in either it may seem |  |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 15:43 - Aug 27 with 1348 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| PAY UP > SALA on 14:29 - Aug 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Of course they did. Every business will have insurance that covers every employee. You don’t have to manually insure every new employee you take on. I would hazard a guess though that this insurance only covers the employee whilst engaged in professional work related activity. And this journey was for him to say goodbye to his old teammates so could be deemed as a personal or pleasure trip.
Either way it’s very unlikely anyway that the transfer fee would be covered by any insurance. It would be a simple contract that would state that Cardiff would pay X amount on these dates and in return Nantes would transfer the registration. Nantes have completed their side of the contract. Cardiff don’t have a leg to stand on really. |
"Every business will have insurance that covers every employee." you state. Well the CASS case established as far as it is in their remit that Sala was a Cardiff employee not a Nantes employee. (therefore insured). What did he sign when in Cardiff. Insurance forms would be one of the forms or it is written into his contract with the club I would think.
Insurance companies do their business in a way that leave no periods of non cover. It is their business. The administration staff at Cardiff the same.
The players insurance value will be his transfer fee or the overall transfer fees of the whole playing staff in a group policy.
Sala was i in work activity. He specifically caught the earlier flight to be ready for training on Tuesday and had left his boots in Nantes. Insured and flying to Cardiff on football business not pleasure business.
If the player is insured to cover losses how would the loses b calculated. A £15m transfer fee would seem logical.
I repeat I am not an expert and simply applying common senses. Cardiff did nothing wrong and have sustained a serious loss while insured for errors made by other third parties who were also insured. I presume you are not an insurance professional. If you are a i defer to your superior knowledge. If you are not you cannot make claims that Cardiff have no insurance cover. |  |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 16:02 - Aug 27 with 1342 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| PAY UP > SALA on 15:43 - Aug 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
"Every business will have insurance that covers every employee." you state. Well the CASS case established as far as it is in their remit that Sala was a Cardiff employee not a Nantes employee. (therefore insured). What did he sign when in Cardiff. Insurance forms would be one of the forms or it is written into his contract with the club I would think.
Insurance companies do their business in a way that leave no periods of non cover. It is their business. The administration staff at Cardiff the same.
The players insurance value will be his transfer fee or the overall transfer fees of the whole playing staff in a group policy.
Sala was i in work activity. He specifically caught the earlier flight to be ready for training on Tuesday and had left his boots in Nantes. Insured and flying to Cardiff on football business not pleasure business.
If the player is insured to cover losses how would the loses b calculated. A £15m transfer fee would seem logical.
I repeat I am not an expert and simply applying common senses. Cardiff did nothing wrong and have sustained a serious loss while insured for errors made by other third parties who were also insured. I presume you are not an insurance professional. If you are a i defer to your superior knowledge. If you are not you cannot make claims that Cardiff have no insurance cover. |
I didn’t claim Cardiff had no insurance cover. I claimed the exact opposite. Every business should have it. The second Sala became employed at that company he would have been covered. But the transfer agreement is entirely separate to any terms and conditions in Sala’s contract. And it’s the transfer fee that seems to be what Cardiff have been arguing over.
As for losses how do you financially value a human being? Of course we are worth a lot in terms of life is precious and valuable etc, but financially we have no intrinsic value at all. As I stated before you cannot own a human being so none of us legally can ever be described as a asset. Football fans often do but it’s not recognised legally. Cardiff paid for the right to register Sala as their player. That transaction was completed. Legally they’ve got nothing. They can’t sue for losses as they haven’t lost anything. | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 16:44 - Aug 27 with 1332 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| PAY UP > SALA on 16:02 - Aug 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I didn’t claim Cardiff had no insurance cover. I claimed the exact opposite. Every business should have it. The second Sala became employed at that company he would have been covered. But the transfer agreement is entirely separate to any terms and conditions in Sala’s contract. And it’s the transfer fee that seems to be what Cardiff have been arguing over.
As for losses how do you financially value a human being? Of course we are worth a lot in terms of life is precious and valuable etc, but financially we have no intrinsic value at all. As I stated before you cannot own a human being so none of us legally can ever be described as a asset. Football fans often do but it’s not recognised legally. Cardiff paid for the right to register Sala as their player. That transaction was completed. Legally they’ve got nothing. They can’t sue for losses as they haven’t lost anything. |
I worked in engineering and human lives are valued in economic term. Ordinary drivers are given a financial economic value based on an average income. The consequences of loss of income and all other incidentals are considered.
The transport division engineers use such data to determine if it is financially viable to spend millions on a new road layout (at a traffic blackspot for example) based on these valued added concerns. The higher the economic benefit the more likey funding can be found for it.
How can you say they have not lost anything?. That makes no sense. Some one like Robert Glatzel came in at a cost to replace him. | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 20:02 - Aug 27 with 1273 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| PAY UP > SALA on 18:23 - Aug 26 by Dr_Winston |
Given the amount of mocking that has come our way from our six fingered bretheren over the previous financial issues we've faced I'm deeply enjoying this.
The amount that they're trying to screw Nantes out of works out at around ten times our total debts both times combined. The £5m currently on the table is merely the first instalment of three. |
We’re gonna need a bugger bucket than they had. A farking mahoosive swimming pool sized bucket…… |  |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 22:11 - Aug 27 with 1220 views | bennytheblue |
| PAY UP > SALA on 20:02 - Aug 27 by Brynmill_Jack |
We’re gonna need a bugger bucket than they had. A farking mahoosive swimming pool sized bucket…… |
We always had bigger everything though eh? 🤩😜 |  | | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 22:24 - Aug 27 with 1192 views | NotLoyal |
| PAY UP > SALA on 22:11 - Aug 27 by bennytheblue |
We always had bigger everything though eh? 🤩😜 |
Heads espexially 😉 |  |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 09:51 - Aug 28 with 1088 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| PAY UP > SALA on 15:52 - Aug 26 by raynor94 |
Even now still refusing to pay, they really are the lowest of the low |
First there came the boasting, then they paraded him in his kit, then they mourned him and mawkishly lapped up all the sympathy from the footballing world (that should have rested completely with his family). Once a bluebird always a bluebird they said.
Then suddenly they denied all that. They deserve everything the get. To the poster who said all clubs would have done the same - really? They were a PL club then - they would have garnered great publicity if they’d paid up what they had to there and then - and when they could afford to do so. And if they’d helped out Sala’s family and maintained close ties with them their standing in the football world would be admirable. Sadly now it’s the opposite.
Have they done any subsequent memorials or silences like we did for Besian? A genuine question as I really don’t know the answer. | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 09:53 - Aug 28 with 1086 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
There are posters on that Anus site suggesting the club should sue the family of the pilot. | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 09:57 - Aug 28 with 1080 views | 73__73 |
| PAY UP > SALA on 15:43 - Aug 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
"Every business will have insurance that covers every employee." you state. Well the CASS case established as far as it is in their remit that Sala was a Cardiff employee not a Nantes employee. (therefore insured). What did he sign when in Cardiff. Insurance forms would be one of the forms or it is written into his contract with the club I would think.
Insurance companies do their business in a way that leave no periods of non cover. It is their business. The administration staff at Cardiff the same.
The players insurance value will be his transfer fee or the overall transfer fees of the whole playing staff in a group policy.
Sala was i in work activity. He specifically caught the earlier flight to be ready for training on Tuesday and had left his boots in Nantes. Insured and flying to Cardiff on football business not pleasure business.
If the player is insured to cover losses how would the loses b calculated. A £15m transfer fee would seem logical.
I repeat I am not an expert and simply applying common senses. Cardiff did nothing wrong and have sustained a serious loss while insured for errors made by other third parties who were also insured. I presume you are not an insurance professional. If you are a i defer to your superior knowledge. If you are not you cannot make claims that Cardiff have no insurance cover. |
I’d be very surprised if any insurance company would be happy for someone like Sala to jump into a plane like the one that crashed.
You may have car insurance doesn’t mean you are covered [Post edited 28 Aug 2022 9:58]
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| PAY UP > SALA on 09:58 - Aug 28 with 1079 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| PAY UP > SALA on 09:53 - Aug 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
There are posters on that Anus site suggesting the club should sue the family of the pilot. |
And there it is! The new low which none of us thought possible has been effortlessly achieved.
They have surpassed themselves once more. | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 10:02 - Aug 28 with 1066 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| PAY UP > SALA on 09:53 - Aug 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
There are posters on that Anus site suggesting the club should sue the family of the pilot. |
They are clueless, it’s embarrassing.
The only two entities they can sue is David Henderson who was found guilty after organising the pilot switch and was sentenced to 18 months. He’s a pensioner that used to fly odd jobs for a living, he probably doesn’t have 2 pennies to rub together.
The other is the company that owned the plane. Although it’s a bit of a muddy one it’s something along the lines of a company called “Cool Flourish” with just a husband and wife from Derby who own it, but the registry of the plane was in a company’s name called Southern Aircraft Consultancy in Norfolk but they aren’t believed to have been involved in the leasing of the plane.
So there isn’t anyone with the sort of funds needed to make suing worthwhile.
It will just cost them legal fees. [Post edited 28 Aug 2022 10:18]
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| PAY UP > SALA on 10:12 - Aug 28 with 1071 views | Dr_Winston |
Suing the family of the pilot would be pointless. They won't have the money to cover it. It'll just be petty vengeance and they'll still owe Nantes £15m. |  |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 10:47 - Aug 28 with 1048 views | Whiterockin |
| PAY UP > SALA on 10:12 - Aug 28 by Dr_Winston |
Suing the family of the pilot would be pointless. They won't have the money to cover it. It'll just be petty vengeance and they'll still owe Nantes £15m. |
I am pretty sure they have to pay up the whole contract to the estate (family) as well, death in service. |  | | |
| PAY UP > SALA on 11:47 - Aug 28 with 1012 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| PAY UP > SALA on 10:47 - Aug 28 by Whiterockin |
I am pretty sure they have to pay up the whole contract to the estate (family) as well, death in service. |
It won’t be the whole contract. The contract terminates upon death but most companies give a lump sum to the family, think it comes out of the pension fund. | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 11:52 - Aug 28 with 1007 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| PAY UP > SALA on 10:02 - Aug 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
They are clueless, it’s embarrassing.
The only two entities they can sue is David Henderson who was found guilty after organising the pilot switch and was sentenced to 18 months. He’s a pensioner that used to fly odd jobs for a living, he probably doesn’t have 2 pennies to rub together.
The other is the company that owned the plane. Although it’s a bit of a muddy one it’s something along the lines of a company called “Cool Flourish” with just a husband and wife from Derby who own it, but the registry of the plane was in a company’s name called Southern Aircraft Consultancy in Norfolk but they aren’t believed to have been involved in the leasing of the plane.
So there isn’t anyone with the sort of funds needed to make suing worthwhile.
It will just cost them legal fees. [Post edited 28 Aug 2022 10:18]
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Are you suggesting they aren’t going to receive their £200 million you madman? | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 12:09 - Aug 28 with 990 views | Whiterockin |
| PAY UP > SALA on 11:47 - Aug 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It won’t be the whole contract. The contract terminates upon death but most companies give a lump sum to the family, think it comes out of the pension fund. |
True his contract was worth over £1M
Players have a death in service benefit of up to 5 x salary up to £1m under the standard contract. Sensible footballers take out life and critical illness insurance policies as soon as they begin to hit their cycle of peak earnings.
https://www.lawinsport.com/blo | | | |
| PAY UP > SALA on 18:49 - Aug 28 with 951 views | bennytheblue |
| PAY UP > SALA on 10:02 - Aug 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
They are clueless, it’s embarrassing.
The only two entities they can sue is David Henderson who was found guilty after organising the pilot switch and was sentenced to 18 months. He’s a pensioner that used to fly odd jobs for a living, he probably doesn’t have 2 pennies to rub together.
The other is the company that owned the plane. Although it’s a bit of a muddy one it’s something along the lines of a company called “Cool Flourish” with just a husband and wife from Derby who own it, but the registry of the plane was in a company’s name called Southern Aircraft Consultancy in Norfolk but they aren’t believed to have been involved in the leasing of the plane.
So there isn’t anyone with the sort of funds needed to make suing worthwhile.
It will just cost them legal fees. [Post edited 28 Aug 2022 10:18]
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Henderson is a multi millionaire…..let’s see if he survives prison hey | | | |
| PAY UP > SALA on 18:53 - Aug 28 with 944 views | bennytheblue |
| PAY UP > SALA on 11:52 - Aug 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Are you suggesting they aren’t going to receive their £200 million you madman? |
It’s irrelevant, forget it who cares? Another clucas, bastion or whatever 10 million pound flop people sign in the PL…..you can up that to 40-70 million if you are West Ham, Chelsea or Man Utd…..
Tan will pay Nantes, he will do what his lawyers tell him to do. Tomorrow’s fish n chips | | | |
| PAY UP > SALA on 19:09 - Aug 28 with 923 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| PAY UP > SALA on 18:53 - Aug 28 by bennytheblue |
It’s irrelevant, forget it who cares? Another clucas, bastion or whatever 10 million pound flop people sign in the PL…..you can up that to 40-70 million if you are West Ham, Chelsea or Man Utd…..
Tan will pay Nantes, he will do what his lawyers tell him to do. Tomorrow’s fish n chips |
Forget that. It’s Lidl for you lot from now on | |
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| PAY UP > SALA on 20:36 - Aug 28 with 899 views | bennytheblue |
| PAY UP > SALA on 19:09 - Aug 28 by Brynmill_Jack |
Forget that. It’s Lidl for you lot from now on |
Middle isle….what about you lot? I’ll take Lidl over home bargains eh | | | |
| PAY UP > SALA on 21:57 - Aug 28 with 863 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| PAY UP > SALA on 18:49 - Aug 28 by bennytheblue |
Henderson is a multi millionaire…..let’s see if he survives prison hey |
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