| Royal College of Nurses 16:44 - Nov 9 with 2316 views | britferry |
Have voted for strike action for the first time in their 100 year existence.
I don't think its a matter of one out all out, I think its decided by each local hospital board.
They've calculated they've had a 20% pay cut in real terms over the last 10 years. |  |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 19:19 - Nov 9 with 728 views | trampie |
| Royal College of Nurses on 18:56 - Nov 9 by Gwyn737 |
The correct market rate is whatever it takes to successfully staff the service.
If NHS employers don’t pay the market rate then NHS nurses will go elsewhere. |
Where ?, lots of jobs are lower paid jobs ? |  |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 19:23 - Nov 9 with 721 views | Gwyn737 |
| Royal College of Nurses on 19:04 - Nov 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Where do they go? There are 320,000+ registered nurses in the NHS. They would need to take up new careers, their chances of finding jobs outside the nhs are slim. Private companies would pay even less id wager. |
There aren’t enough and that’s the issue.
They could quite easily hop onto agency work. | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 19:29 - Nov 9 with 708 views | Sirjohnalot |
NHS stood with us on the pickets. We stand with them |  | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 20:08 - Nov 9 with 689 views | britferry |
| Royal College of Nurses on 19:23 - Nov 9 by Gwyn737 |
There aren’t enough and that’s the issue.
They could quite easily hop onto agency work. |
I think agency work is part of the problem, if they paid the NHS staff a decent wage and even better over time, then they wouldn't need them, coz where there is an agency you have a load of agency backroom staff coining it.
A lot of the agency workers are the NHS staff topping up their basic wage | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 20:37 - Nov 9 with 677 views | Sandanista |
| Royal College of Nurses on 19:29 - Nov 9 by Sirjohnalot |
NHS stood with us on the pickets. We stand with them |
And how many hypocrites ‘clapped for carers ‘ are slagging off nurses now? I never clapped as could see exactly what it was. | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 20:50 - Nov 9 with 669 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Royal College of Nurses on 20:37 - Nov 9 by Sandanista |
And how many hypocrites ‘clapped for carers ‘ are slagging off nurses now? I never clapped as could see exactly what it was. |
I bloody well did, saved both my parents recently | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 20:54 - Nov 9 with 658 views | Sandanista |
| Royal College of Nurses on 20:50 - Nov 9 by Sirjohnalot |
I bloody well did, saved both my parents recently |
But still supporting them Jon. Look at some of the opprobrium on Twitter | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 20:56 - Nov 9 with 652 views | KeithHaynes |
| Royal College of Nurses on 20:37 - Nov 9 by Sandanista |
And how many hypocrites ‘clapped for carers ‘ are slagging off nurses now? I never clapped as could see exactly what it was. |
They kept on working during furlough, those that were taking the bucks then now choose to strike.
Agreed 100% |  |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 21:05 - Nov 9 with 637 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Royal College of Nurses on 20:54 - Nov 9 by Sandanista |
But still supporting them Jon. Look at some of the opprobrium on Twitter |
Twitter isn’t real life . It’s like the worst of this forum on acid, | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 21:24 - Nov 9 with 620 views | onehunglow |
How about ALL the emergency services and doctors and nurses not having the right to strike but being paid significantly higher to compensate
Teresa May stated police were not a special case
I would contend ALL 999 and Hospital Doctors and Nurses be seen as special cases | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 21:31 - Nov 9 with 598 views | majorraglan |
| Royal College of Nurses on 19:04 - Nov 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Where do they go? There are 320,000+ registered nurses in the NHS. They would need to take up new careers, their chances of finding jobs outside the nhs are slim. Private companies would pay even less id wager. |
They’ve got quite a few options. Firstly, they can go private sector, including private hospitals, to work for organisations who have their own OHU departments, they can move abroad, they can also work in care homes, they can work in prisons, for the police etc they all need nurses. They also go to work for nursing agencies where they earn a lot more than they do working in the NHS.
There is a huge shortfall in nurses. In order to be able to continue to function hospitals need to plug the gaps in staffing levels, if they can’t fill a gap with a bank shift (someone who works for the hospital and is prepared to cover on overtime) they have to go to an agency. The agency will charge the hospital a premium rate, they’ll take a cut before passing the rest on to the nurse working the shift. The rate the nurse gets will vary, but it’s likely to be a lot more than they get at the hospital or on Bank. There are pitfalls, no holiday pay, no pension contributions but on the plus side the pay is much higher, there’s more flexibility and little responsibility.
There are restrictions on agency working, for example some health boards won’t allow its staff to work agency shifts in its hospitals, however they are allowed work in adjoining areas. For example Hywel Dda Health board could stop its staff working agency shifts in Llanelli, but they couldn’t stop them doing agency shifts in Morriston.
Nurses are under huge pressure, they fear making mistakes which could cost them their professional accreditation and are leaving in droves, | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 21:50 - Nov 9 with 566 views | Boundy |
| Royal College of Nurses on 19:04 - Nov 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Where do they go? There are 320,000+ registered nurses in the NHS. They would need to take up new careers, their chances of finding jobs outside the nhs are slim. Private companies would pay even less id wager. |
Agencies seem to be a credible option | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 21:56 - Nov 9 with 562 views | Gwyn737 |
| Royal College of Nurses on 21:50 - Nov 9 by Boundy |
Agencies seem to be a credible option |
Seems that way too.
I don’t know the figures but I’d imagine that excess money spent on agency staff would go a long way to funding a nurses pay rise. | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 22:04 - Nov 9 with 556 views | majorraglan |
| Royal College of Nurses on 21:50 - Nov 9 by Boundy |
Agencies seem to be a credible option |
Indeed, and the more money the agencies take from the NHS budget the less there is to send on patient care. As the number of nurses leaving the NHS increases, the number of shifts in need of covering increases which results in more money going to agencies. It becomes a vicious circle.
In 2017, in England the government of the day removed bursaries from nursing which meant student nurses had to take out loans etc, the number of applicants plummeted and by 2019 there was a projected shortfall of 70,000 nurses. One of Boris’s manifesto pledges was to reintroduce the bursaries to increase the number of applicants and reverse the decline. In Wales, student nurses get their tuition fees paid by the WG as long as they complete 2 years service with the NHS in Wales. | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 22:10 - Nov 9 with 546 views | pencoedjack |
| Royal College of Nurses on 19:04 - Nov 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Where do they go? There are 320,000+ registered nurses in the NHS. They would need to take up new careers, their chances of finding jobs outside the nhs are slim. Private companies would pay even less id wager. |
If it was a private company they wouldn’t need as many staff, the work shy would be out on their arses.
Anyone who has spent any amount of time in a hospital with their eyes open would see it. |  | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 22:14 - Nov 9 with 539 views | trampie |
| Royal College of Nurses on 21:31 - Nov 9 by majorraglan |
They’ve got quite a few options. Firstly, they can go private sector, including private hospitals, to work for organisations who have their own OHU departments, they can move abroad, they can also work in care homes, they can work in prisons, for the police etc they all need nurses. They also go to work for nursing agencies where they earn a lot more than they do working in the NHS.
There is a huge shortfall in nurses. In order to be able to continue to function hospitals need to plug the gaps in staffing levels, if they can’t fill a gap with a bank shift (someone who works for the hospital and is prepared to cover on overtime) they have to go to an agency. The agency will charge the hospital a premium rate, they’ll take a cut before passing the rest on to the nurse working the shift. The rate the nurse gets will vary, but it’s likely to be a lot more than they get at the hospital or on Bank. There are pitfalls, no holiday pay, no pension contributions but on the plus side the pay is much higher, there’s more flexibility and little responsibility.
There are restrictions on agency working, for example some health boards won’t allow its staff to work agency shifts in its hospitals, however they are allowed work in adjoining areas. For example Hywel Dda Health board could stop its staff working agency shifts in Llanelli, but they couldn’t stop them doing agency shifts in Morriston.
Nurses are under huge pressure, they fear making mistakes which could cost them their professional accreditation and are leaving in droves, |
I heard there are half a million of them in the UK. | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 22:33 - Nov 9 with 526 views | majorraglan |
| Royal College of Nurses on 22:14 - Nov 9 by trampie |
I heard there are half a million of them in the UK. |
There were 321,000 working in the NHS in March 2022. Those figures will include part timers, nurses in the community and those who came out of retirement on temporary registrations to help with Covid. The temporary registrations ended in September and while staff could reregister, a large number have finished. | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 22:45 - Nov 9 with 518 views | trampie |
| Royal College of Nurses on 22:33 - Nov 9 by majorraglan |
There were 321,000 working in the NHS in March 2022. Those figures will include part timers, nurses in the community and those who came out of retirement on temporary registrations to help with Covid. The temporary registrations ended in September and while staff could reregister, a large number have finished. |
A third of a million state registered types and over half a million in total, care homes, midwives, private etc. | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 10:27 - Nov 10 with 454 views | onehunglow |
Why not cap footballers wages at say 100 k per week.
Most could live on that
This is more grotesque than anything at all.
Utter cretins getting paid more in a day what many work a year for | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 10:47 - Nov 10 with 443 views | controversial_jack |
| Royal College of Nurses on 10:27 - Nov 10 by onehunglow |
Why not cap footballers wages at say 100 k per week.
Most could live on that
This is more grotesque than anything at all.
Utter cretins getting paid more in a day what many work a year for |
It's the free market, top players put bums on seats and sell merchandise.They are highly productive that way, Nurses, however important a job they do are not productive like that | | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 10:55 - Nov 10 with 439 views | Boundy |
| Royal College of Nurses on 10:27 - Nov 10 by onehunglow |
Why not cap footballers wages at say 100 k per week.
Most could live on that
This is more grotesque than anything at all.
Utter cretins getting paid more in a day what many work a year for |
Not that I agree with those types of wages but I don't believe they affect how the care sectors wages are assessed nor have an impact on nurses pay. Its the Politicians who should held to account for their decision making , yes we have elections every 4 years or so but if a different party gets elected then its two years of that term spent unravelling the mess of the previous incumbents .I do believe politics in this country in its present form should have massive reset . | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 10:57 - Nov 10 with 435 views | trampie |
| Royal College of Nurses on 10:55 - Nov 10 by Boundy |
Not that I agree with those types of wages but I don't believe they affect how the care sectors wages are assessed nor have an impact on nurses pay. Its the Politicians who should held to account for their decision making , yes we have elections every 4 years or so but if a different party gets elected then its two years of that term spent unravelling the mess of the previous incumbents .I do believe politics in this country in its present form should have massive reset . |
NuLabour and the Tories are a different cheek of the same arse. | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 11:31 - Nov 10 with 421 views | BryanSwan |
| Royal College of Nurses on 18:56 - Nov 9 by Gwyn737 |
The correct market rate is whatever it takes to successfully staff the service.
If NHS employers don’t pay the market rate then NHS nurses will go elsewhere. |
It's been clear for a while that the NHS was going to be pushed toward stealth privatisation.
There has never been any desire to improve or even maintain the health service to an adequate level. | |
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| Royal College of Nurses on 12:32 - Nov 10 with 401 views | krunchykarrot |
| Royal College of Nurses on 10:57 - Nov 10 by trampie |
NuLabour and the Tories are a different cheek of the same arse. |
Brilliant  |  | | |
| Royal College of Nurses on 12:38 - Nov 10 with 396 views | krunchykarrot |
How much is a Nurse on after training compared to agency staff taking into account the NHS pension?
Perhaps a solution would be to pay them slightly more, however i would happily sanction 20% for the carers and workhorses of the both private and NHS sectors. | | | |
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