| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls 17:12 - Dec 6 with 7222 views | onehunglow |
Only 17% now.
Odd really considering what Ive read.
Take out the welsh heartlands of Gwynedd and it seems we've been sold a pup.
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:31 - Dec 6 with 746 views | lifelong |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 21:13 - Dec 6 by pencoedjack |
Outlawed really?
I’d just rather my money was spent on things that were more important to the majority of Welsh people. |
The cost of the language amounts to 0.23% of the Welsh budget, many people in Wales, including non Welsh speakers, believe that is a small price to pay to promote the language.
Many services and facilities are paid for by all tax payers in Wales but only used by a minority, does that mean that tax payers should be able to pick and chose where their taxes are distributed? |  | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:36 - Dec 6 with 734 views | onehunglow |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:31 - Dec 6 by lifelong |
The cost of the language amounts to 0.23% of the Welsh budget, many people in Wales, including non Welsh speakers, believe that is a small price to pay to promote the language.
Many services and facilities are paid for by all tax payers in Wales but only used by a minority, does that mean that tax payers should be able to pick and chose where their taxes are distributed? |
You miss the point.
Welsh has ,is and will be learned within the family. It always will. My own kin were brought up speaking it. In Swansea,in business,it was not an asset to do so.
The language will never die out. Take a trip to the Llyn, Caernarfon ,Bala,Llangefni and speaking English sees the contempt you allude to regarding Welsh
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:44 - Dec 6 with 731 views | lifelong |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:36 - Dec 6 by onehunglow |
You miss the point.
Welsh has ,is and will be learned within the family. It always will. My own kin were brought up speaking it. In Swansea,in business,it was not an asset to do so.
The language will never die out. Take a trip to the Llyn, Caernarfon ,Bala,Llangefni and speaking English sees the contempt you allude to regarding Welsh
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What contempt am I alluding to, I support the Welsh language.
You are the one showing contempt for the language, as you always have. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 04:18 - Dec 7 with 689 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 21:13 - Dec 6 by pencoedjack |
Outlawed really?
I’d just rather my money was spent on things that were more important to the majority of Welsh people. |
Brexit cost a lot more money than the welsh languagr ever did, if you really cared about the money. |  |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 04:19 - Dec 7 with 689 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:30 - Dec 6 by onehunglow |
Facts are facts Welsh language supporters will never admit majority in Wales do not nor want to speak Welsh . It’s ok for sport though.
Let’s exclude Carmarhenshire and Gwynedd then and it looks worse
Kids leaning Welsh in school will dump it like they do other languages |
Exclude Gwent and south Pembs and it looks better ….. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 04:23 - Dec 7 with 689 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:49 - Dec 6 by Whiterockin |
Why is the target how many can speak Welsh as opposed to those who do speak Welsh. Surely the aim should be to have the Welsh language spoken regularly. Ask the question how many regularly speak Welsh fluently. |
Why is speaking fluently the best measure ?
Shirley some ability in the language is the more important thing….?
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 06:28 - Dec 7 with 664 views | Whiterockin |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 04:23 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Why is speaking fluently the best measure ?
Shirley some ability in the language is the more important thing….?
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That looks a load of guff to me or are people taking the P.
Bottom of the list, how can you write something without being able to read it? Plus what does "Does not apply" mean?
Instead of picking up twitter gossip that can be manipulated, read the report by the Welsh government.
https://gov.wales/welsh-langua [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 6:30]
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 07:00 - Dec 7 with 658 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:02 - Dec 6 by CountyJim |
Think it will go up next ten years more Welsh schools opening in SE Wales than ever and more parents grandparents learning |
That flies in the face of the evidence though. In the last 10 years Welsh speakers have dropped despite the Senedd making it compulsory.
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 07:19 - Dec 7 with 654 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:43 - Dec 6 by lifelong |
There are many languages spoken in the UK, in the major cities there are dozens of languages spoken, in London there are areas where very little English is spoken, in fact there are thousands of residents there who are unable to speak English.
Nobody seems too bothered about it though, but when it comes to Welsh, a language that has been spoken on these islands for centuries, people are in uproar that it is still around and some, I would suggest, would like to see it outlawed completely, there is very little chance of that happening thankfully. |
Sorry but that isn't true. OK, I'll concede that there may be a few who would happily see Welsh outlawed but most people are apathetic about it or (like myself) question why we spend so much on forcing kids to learn it and the bi-lingualism (road sign, correspondence, government jobs) when (in my opinion) there are far more important areas that are struggling and need every penny we can muster; the NHS to start with.
I'm not in uproar that Welsh is still around but everything has its time, languages come and go just like everything else in life. There is a long list of extinct languages.
Is a language more important than peoples lives, than our health, our kids education or law and order? To myself the answer is simple, no it's not. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 08:51 - Dec 7 with 631 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 04:18 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Brexit cost a lot more money than the welsh languagr ever did, if you really cared about the money. |
Why don't you post in Welsh. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 08:53 - Dec 7 with 630 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 04:19 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Exclude Gwent and south Pembs and it looks better ….. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
How is it better when the percentage of people speaking Welsh fell in 18 of the 22 local authorities. Did you actually read the report. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:03 - Dec 7 with 625 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 04:23 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Why is speaking fluently the best measure ?
Shirley some ability in the language is the more important thing….?
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Who is Shirley? Did you mean surely?
From the table you published it is even worse only 13.8% cab read write and speak Welsh.
Not sure where you get your fictional 24.4% from.
After all nearly everyone in Wales must know a few Welsh words just like most people know a few German, Spanish and French words that does not make then fluent in those languages .
It is just another example of the Senedd's failure to impose Welsh on the population with fluent Welsh speakers falling from 19% 2011 to 17.8% in 2021. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:16 - Dec 7 with 613 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:03 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Who is Shirley? Did you mean surely?
From the table you published it is even worse only 13.8% cab read write and speak Welsh.
Not sure where you get your fictional 24.4% from.
After all nearly everyone in Wales must know a few Welsh words just like most people know a few German, Spanish and French words that does not make then fluent in those languages .
It is just another example of the Senedd's failure to impose Welsh on the population with fluent Welsh speakers falling from 19% 2011 to 17.8% in 2021. |
I agree, that table says if you take into account..... and reading that I have a connection to German, Spanish, Italian, Russian, Greek, French, Turkish and Gaelic simply because i know a few words.
Being able to call somebody a "chunt" in italian is hardly a connection. I can't claim to know 8 languages because I know a few words in them, most of which were learned purely out of respect for locals when on holiday, being able to say please and thank you in the local tongue isn't much of an ask.
I also don't get this downplaying of the cost when we are hearing all the time about how tight money is; when Ambulance and nursing staff are going on strike absolutely every penny counts. The money for Welsh, the money Drakers and Gething spent going to Qatar, the money wasted on the ditched M4 bypass, it all matters. When you add up all the waste and negligence it turns out to be a lot of money, a lot more than 0.23% | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:20 - Dec 7 with 611 views | Scotia |
No amount of social engineering will see the number of fluent Welsh speakers increase above a sustainable level.
Welsh schools will prop the numbers up for a bit but once the pupils leave school a lot of the language will leave them too, unless they use it on a daily basis. Most of them won't.
People only uses it on a daily basis in the traditioanl heartlands. That is the cycle of the language and the population of these areas is the critical mass.
I've got no doubt that the figures used to measure who speaks the language will change to demonstrate an increase, it's what all governments do for evertything to appear successful.
It's a nice language in it's place though. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:26 - Dec 7 with 608 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:20 - Dec 7 by Scotia |
No amount of social engineering will see the number of fluent Welsh speakers increase above a sustainable level.
Welsh schools will prop the numbers up for a bit but once the pupils leave school a lot of the language will leave them too, unless they use it on a daily basis. Most of them won't.
People only uses it on a daily basis in the traditioanl heartlands. That is the cycle of the language and the population of these areas is the critical mass.
I've got no doubt that the figures used to measure who speaks the language will change to demonstrate an increase, it's what all governments do for evertything to appear successful.
It's a nice language in it's place though. |
I asked my son to ask his friends how many spoke Welsh at home, you can guess the answer. I know it's not reprsentative and it's a tiny number, in this case he asked 7 of them at football training. He says he doesn't want to learn it and makes no effort in class, his Welsh teacher has mentioned it but I could only tell her it was his choice and he'd prefer to learn Spanish but can't yet tho. He makes his choices soon and Spanish will be one if it's there but he still can't ditch Welsh so what else will he have to give up? | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:34 - Dec 7 with 606 views | onehunglow |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:26 - Dec 7 by Catullus |
I asked my son to ask his friends how many spoke Welsh at home, you can guess the answer. I know it's not reprsentative and it's a tiny number, in this case he asked 7 of them at football training. He says he doesn't want to learn it and makes no effort in class, his Welsh teacher has mentioned it but I could only tell her it was his choice and he'd prefer to learn Spanish but can't yet tho. He makes his choices soon and Spanish will be one if it's there but he still can't ditch Welsh so what else will he have to give up? |
Lifelong needs to read this and take stock .
Welsh in the grand scheme of things is utterly irrelevant to most welsh people .More are concern3d about their homes,jobs and the future of their kids.
Just how in the name of the loving Christ can learning a language they don’t even like be beneficial. It will ensure they never ever speak Welsh . Making it compulsory breeds this . Some will say it doesn’t . Some ,living in rural areas ,will feel differently. Most in urban Wales ,I would suggest, are passed off witH Welsh,and how it is being inculcated into peoples lives .
This will be seen seen as an attack and it is . Difference is however it is aimed at an intangible subject .
Anyone wanting to post personal bile to me please feel free but do it by DM
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:54 - Dec 7 with 594 views | Whiterockin |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:31 - Dec 6 by lifelong |
The cost of the language amounts to 0.23% of the Welsh budget, many people in Wales, including non Welsh speakers, believe that is a small price to pay to promote the language.
Many services and facilities are paid for by all tax payers in Wales but only used by a minority, does that mean that tax payers should be able to pick and chose where their taxes are distributed? |
The actual cost is £43.6M for this financial year alone. Please explain to me exactly what the benefits of this are to the vast majority of Welsh people.
I have no objection to people speaking Welsh, but I do object that we have to spend that amount of money on something that if people wanted to do it they would. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:02 - Dec 7 with 590 views | onehunglow |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:54 - Dec 7 by Whiterockin |
The actual cost is £43.6M for this financial year alone. Please explain to me exactly what the benefits of this are to the vast majority of Welsh people.
I have no objection to people speaking Welsh, but I do object that we have to spend that amount of money on something that if people wanted to do it they would. |
Wales ,the poorest area of the UK spending this money when waiting times for NHS are dire. Doesn’t matter if you get an Ambiwlance or an Ambulance really,does it.
Same with Heddlu Police .
It’s the same | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:08 - Dec 7 with 587 views | controversial_jack |
It doesn't cost a lot to learn a language these days, and there's more exposure on the internet. We can read and listen to many languages online, the difficulty is, actually speaking with someone. Passive skills come before the active skills and the Difficulty is actually trying it out on someone who knows the language.Welsh , should have that advantage over any other as it's well spoken here, but it has to be used regularly in the house or institutions | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:13 - Dec 7 with 584 views | onehunglow |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:08 - Dec 7 by controversial_jack |
It doesn't cost a lot to learn a language these days, and there's more exposure on the internet. We can read and listen to many languages online, the difficulty is, actually speaking with someone. Passive skills come before the active skills and the Difficulty is actually trying it out on someone who knows the language.Welsh , should have that advantage over any other as it's well spoken here, but it has to be used regularly in the house or institutions |
Very very true.
I have learned in my time French ,German,Spanish,Italian,Portuguese and Dutch .
I am fluent in French only and only then if I spend time speaking with French people in a French environment because the human ear has to attune itself to a foreign language. It’s why when you first get to France and speak it,you are lost when replies come in.
Reading and writin a foreign language is far easily than engaging in a conversation with a native speaker .
Ergo,absolutely pointless learning Welsh for a lad from ,say Townhill ,Penlan,or Sandfields that is never going to use it at home . | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:18 - Dec 7 with 582 views | controversial_jack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:13 - Dec 7 by onehunglow |
Very very true.
I have learned in my time French ,German,Spanish,Italian,Portuguese and Dutch .
I am fluent in French only and only then if I spend time speaking with French people in a French environment because the human ear has to attune itself to a foreign language. It’s why when you first get to France and speak it,you are lost when replies come in.
Reading and writin a foreign language is far easily than engaging in a conversation with a native speaker .
Ergo,absolutely pointless learning Welsh for a lad from ,say Townhill ,Penlan,or Sandfields that is never going to use it at home . |
Learning a few sentences if you visit a country as a tourist is fine, but when the natives reply back to you is when you need to understand, and that's not easy at all. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:57 - Dec 7 with 568 views | Scotia |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:54 - Dec 7 by Whiterockin |
The actual cost is £43.6M for this financial year alone. Please explain to me exactly what the benefits of this are to the vast majority of Welsh people.
I have no objection to people speaking Welsh, but I do object that we have to spend that amount of money on something that if people wanted to do it they would. |
I assume that is just the direct cost too. The indirect cost is probably immeasurable.
For example - do we really need two Welsh Language radio stations funded by the TV licence fee? | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:58 - Dec 7 with 567 views | lifelong |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:54 - Dec 7 by Whiterockin |
The actual cost is £43.6M for this financial year alone. Please explain to me exactly what the benefits of this are to the vast majority of Welsh people.
I have no objection to people speaking Welsh, but I do object that we have to spend that amount of money on something that if people wanted to do it they would. |
Which is 0.23% of the Wales budget of 18.8 billion.
I would suggest it is not the speaking of Welsh, or the money spent on it, is the main reason the NHS is in such difficulty, obesity, smoking and drinking too much cost the public purse billions and the £43 million spent on the Welsh language would barely scratch the surface of the problem. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:58 - Dec 7 with 567 views | Scotia |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:26 - Dec 7 by Catullus |
I asked my son to ask his friends how many spoke Welsh at home, you can guess the answer. I know it's not reprsentative and it's a tiny number, in this case he asked 7 of them at football training. He says he doesn't want to learn it and makes no effort in class, his Welsh teacher has mentioned it but I could only tell her it was his choice and he'd prefer to learn Spanish but can't yet tho. He makes his choices soon and Spanish will be one if it's there but he still can't ditch Welsh so what else will he have to give up? |
My daughter goes to a Welsh school and the answer would be the same. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:59 - Dec 7 with 567 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Professor of Welsh says not enough Welsh. |  |
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