| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls 17:12 - Dec 6 with 8067 views | onehunglow |
Only 17% now.
Odd really considering what Ive read.
Take out the welsh heartlands of Gwynedd and it seems we've been sold a pup.
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 15:27 - Dec 15 with 855 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:11 - Dec 15 by onehunglow |
All about identity then.
How about blood lines
Welsh girls being impregnated by English thus weakening the bloodline .
I’d rather. Prosperous Wales with zero Welsh spe@keys than one where Welsh was majority language in the poorest part of the country ,which it is. |
Bloodlines are interesting. DNA shows a large proportion of English people are high in what they call 'Irish Scottish Welsh' genes. I call it Celtic but the word Celtic is being contested by some. A language is a valuable resource and gives pride and self respect.
Such virtues are valuable resources and do not exist in the sink estates where people do not take care of their own surroundings (You might call them pragmatic Urban people ). |  |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 17:16 - Dec 15 with 818 views | Boundy |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 15:24 - Dec 15 by lifelong |
Yes, I know, do you think these actions were supported by the vast population of Wales, Welsh speaking or otherwise? |
I'd say no but enough to keep sturm and in doing so enabled the group to act as they did . | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:03 - Dec 15 with 786 views | trampie |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 17:16 - Dec 15 by Boundy |
I'd say no but enough to keep sturm and in doing so enabled the group to act as they did . |
These Welsh terrorists must be amazing, burning a couple of hundred holiday homes to the ground over a couple of decades, not one person injured or killed and nobody caught using highly sophisticated devices, leaving no clues at the scene, they must have had good camouflage clothing and vehicles as well fair play.
These Welsh terrorists must be the most successful terrorists in the World, Mi5, special branch, anti terrorism squad, top detectives, local plod all seemingly having no idea.....hmm |  |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:10 - Dec 15 with 790 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 15:21 - Dec 15 by trampie |
No "others" used in my post butt.
Haven't you heard that some people think the UK secret service was behind the cottage burnings ? |
If no " others" were used in your post then that means you think that MI5 did it? Do you often refer to yourself as people?
Who are these people then, if not others? A counter claim is easy, Welsh nats and anti English types claiming that Uk security forces did it to stir up hatred against the English. Anybody can start a silly rumour see.
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:39 - Dec 15 with 756 views | trampie |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:10 - Dec 15 by Catullus |
If no " others" were used in your post then that means you think that MI5 did it? Do you often refer to yourself as people?
Who are these people then, if not others? A counter claim is easy, Welsh nats and anti English types claiming that Uk security forces did it to stir up hatred against the English. Anybody can start a silly rumour see.
Was Julian Cayo-Evans in MI5? The ultimate infiltrator |
It's not a counter claim if nobody was ever caught.
It's widely believed that the security services were behind it, they did not want the UK to break up, they thought Welsh nationalism could take a grip and did something to discredit Welsh nationalist movements and sympathy.
The Welsh terrorists must be so clever to stake out those properties to make sure nobody was home and then torch them leaving no clues, amazing really. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:46 - Dec 15 with 750 views | Gwyn737 |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:39 - Dec 15 by trampie |
It's not a counter claim if nobody was ever caught.
It's widely believed that the security services were behind it, they did not want the UK to break up, they thought Welsh nationalism could take a grip and did something to discredit Welsh nationalist movements and sympathy.
The Welsh terrorists must be so clever to stake out those properties to make sure nobody was home and then torch them leaving no clues, amazing really. |
Sorry but if you're still responding to this trolling you've only yourselves to blame.
Past daft now. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:51 - Dec 15 with 744 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:39 - Dec 15 by trampie |
It's not a counter claim if nobody was ever caught.
It's widely believed that the security services were behind it, they did not want the UK to break up, they thought Welsh nationalism could take a grip and did something to discredit Welsh nationalist movements and sympathy.
The Welsh terrorists must be so clever to stake out those properties to make sure nobody was home and then torch them leaving no clues, amazing really. |
Nobody has to be caught to make a counter claim, you can't be that.....never mind. As an example, nobody ever caught Jack the Ripper but there were lots of claims about who he was and over the decades since many counter claims about who he was. The police thought it was a small, tight group, possibly only 3-4 people did those things but we'll never know now. There have been no serious claims that security forces have been involved, just rumours spread by people like you. Anything is possible i guess. We have seen stranger, like all the counter claims about 9/11.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wal | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:02 - Dec 15 with 718 views | trampie |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:46 - Dec 15 by Gwyn737 |
Sorry but if you're still responding to this trolling you've only yourselves to blame.
Past daft now. |
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/ne
That's a good article on the subject, note it quotes a reporter who says "Some say it was the police or secret service themselves who were trying to find a way to discourage the increasing sense of nationalism in Wales.
"On the other hand, however, how would anyone know these houses were empty? "
https://archive.ph/HTOh
A beeb report on a barrister and MP that defended somebody accused of being involved.
He wonders if it was the security forces. [Post edited 15 Dec 2022 19:04]
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:09 - Dec 15 with 706 views | onehunglow |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 15:27 - Dec 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Bloodlines are interesting. DNA shows a large proportion of English people are high in what they call 'Irish Scottish Welsh' genes. I call it Celtic but the word Celtic is being contested by some. A language is a valuable resource and gives pride and self respect.
Such virtues are valuable resources and do not exist in the sink estates where people do not take care of their own surroundings (You might call them pragmatic Urban people ). |
No ,Injust call them people whether they speak Welsh or not | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:11 - Dec 15 with 696 views | trampie |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:51 - Dec 15 by Catullus |
Nobody has to be caught to make a counter claim, you can't be that.....never mind. As an example, nobody ever caught Jack the Ripper but there were lots of claims about who he was and over the decades since many counter claims about who he was. The police thought it was a small, tight group, possibly only 3-4 people did those things but we'll never know now. There have been no serious claims that security forces have been involved, just rumours spread by people like you. Anything is possible i guess. We have seen stranger, like all the counter claims about 9/11.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wal |
More than one property torched in different parts of the country on the same night would suggest it would have to be more than 3 people, what about casing the joint to make sure there was no one in, you can't get lucky 230 times on the trot can you.
Some of the devices apparently could not be bought over the counter in the UK, these people knew their stuff whoever they were. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:17 - Dec 15 with 688 views | trampie |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:51 - Dec 15 by Catullus |
Nobody has to be caught to make a counter claim, you can't be that.....never mind. As an example, nobody ever caught Jack the Ripper but there were lots of claims about who he was and over the decades since many counter claims about who he was. The police thought it was a small, tight group, possibly only 3-4 people did those things but we'll never know now. There have been no serious claims that security forces have been involved, just rumours spread by people like you. Anything is possible i guess. We have seen stranger, like all the counter claims about 9/11.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wal |
"They'd come, set the devices, go to change their clothes, burn their clothes, then find themselves in a pub or other public place when the place went up in flames,"
I noticed the above quote in the article you put up - you can imagine some boyo telling plod, not me officer I was in the pub ask anybody. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:27 - Dec 15 with 676 views | trampie |
Gwyn gone very quiet on the topic, there again if he is trying to shut down debate, perhaps that is his game.
I suppose people either believe they were super clever terrorists or it was the authorities (we now know the authorities fought a dirty war out in Northern Ireland, collusion and such like, so not beyond the realms of possibility they got up to something here in Wales).
Are there any other explanations ? | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:30 - Dec 15 with 676 views | Gwyn737 |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:27 - Dec 15 by trampie |
Gwyn gone very quiet on the topic, there again if he is trying to shut down debate, perhaps that is his game.
I suppose people either believe they were super clever terrorists or it was the authorities (we now know the authorities fought a dirty war out in Northern Ireland, collusion and such like, so not beyond the realms of possibility they got up to something here in Wales).
Are there any other explanations ? |
Gwyn is following his own advice. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:35 - Dec 15 with 658 views | trampie |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:30 - Dec 15 by Gwyn737 |
Gwyn is following his own advice. |
Now you've seen some reports from the Beeb and an article from a newspaper perhaps you now feel guilty for your outburst, you would think a headteacher should know better but apparently not. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:55 - Dec 15 with 645 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 06:51 - Dec 15 by Dr_Winston |
I suspect that somewhere inside his head he's trying to convince himself that he's being ethnically cleansed.
Poor dab has seen basically everything he believes in destroyed by one Census. There's simply no place for the kind of divisive rhetoric favoured by the cottage burning types any more, and the numbers confirm it.
Annibyniaeth? Not in the lifetime of anyone posting on this board, and more likely never at all. |
Listen dumbo, these are formal census questions not mine.
These are the facts as reported. |  |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:59 - Dec 15 with 641 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:11 - Dec 15 by onehunglow |
All about identity then.
How about blood lines
Welsh girls being impregnated by English thus weakening the bloodline .
I’d rather. Prosperous Wales with zero Welsh spe@keys than one where Welsh was majority language in the poorest part of the country ,which it is. |
What are you on about ?
The question was nothing to do with blood lines.
Only you are on about that.
If you arrived from Syria and answered that you consider yourself welsh, then it records you as such.
Its not hard to follow. Shirley. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:00 - Dec 15 with 640 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:35 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
I’m Welsh and I’m British, married to an English woman for 15 years and lived in England for around 22 years. Fact of geography |
There are no rules.
No rights or wrongs.
Its what you feel about yourself. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:03 - Dec 15 with 638 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 14:36 - Dec 15 by raynor94 |
Yes, fine, I thought England were unlucky.
Had a weekend away, thank you for asking 👠|
Imagine thinking that McGuire and Henderson could be World champions.
Ha, ha, ha …. 🤣🇫🇷🇫🇷 | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:05 - Dec 15 with 637 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 14:53 - Dec 15 by trampie |
England weren't unlucky, they just weren't good enough. |
Correct - first quality team they play and they are on the plane home.
Its never ever coming home. 🤣🤣 | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:09 - Dec 15 with 634 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 15:11 - Dec 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
“Migrants from England…”?
We have migrants from all over the world. In some areas of Cardiff and Swansea I’d be surprised if the welsh population is as high as ten percent. |
Not really the same thing.
636,000 people (21 per cent of the total population of Wales) who were born in England.
Thats just a fact. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:12 - Dec 15 with 628 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:11 - Dec 15 by trampie |
More than one property torched in different parts of the country on the same night would suggest it would have to be more than 3 people, what about casing the joint to make sure there was no one in, you can't get lucky 230 times on the trot can you.
Some of the devices apparently could not be bought over the counter in the UK, these people knew their stuff whoever they were. |
Correct. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 11:00 - Dec 17 with 543 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:27 - Dec 15 by trampie |
Gwyn gone very quiet on the topic, there again if he is trying to shut down debate, perhaps that is his game.
I suppose people either believe they were super clever terrorists or it was the authorities (we now know the authorities fought a dirty war out in Northern Ireland, collusion and such like, so not beyond the realms of possibility they got up to something here in Wales).
Are there any other explanations ? |
That's an absurdly tenuous suggestion. There was real violence in Northern ireland, armed terrorists killing people.
Why start torching property in Wales to discredit the (in your opinion) non existent people?
Put another way just in case, they, as you suggest, made up a Welsh terorist group and started torching holiday homes to discredit the very group they had made up?
There has been no overwhelming support for indepenence to discredit, it has for a very long time been a small idea in Wales. In recent times we have seen a so called massive surge in support that gets it to....24% but possibly 30% at best, if the polls are to be believed. All this campaigning, all this poverty, all the rhetoric and lies and still there is no overwhelming support for indy.
What do you think it will take to get over 50% of people interested? Or even to get over 50% to turn out for Senedd elections? | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 12:36 - Dec 17 with 510 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 11:00 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
That's an absurdly tenuous suggestion. There was real violence in Northern ireland, armed terrorists killing people.
Why start torching property in Wales to discredit the (in your opinion) non existent people?
Put another way just in case, they, as you suggest, made up a Welsh terorist group and started torching holiday homes to discredit the very group they had made up?
There has been no overwhelming support for indepenence to discredit, it has for a very long time been a small idea in Wales. In recent times we have seen a so called massive surge in support that gets it to....24% but possibly 30% at best, if the polls are to be believed. All this campaigning, all this poverty, all the rhetoric and lies and still there is no overwhelming support for indy.
What do you think it will take to get over 50% of people interested? Or even to get over 50% to turn out for Senedd elections? |
30% makes it a mainstream idea.
Brexit saw to that, the negative impacts of which will be felt for many generations.
A united Ireland and a free Scotland will move the dial further for Cymru.
If Labour can deliver devo max to Cymru, then that might yet save the tired old union. 🇬🇧
Annibyniaeth ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers fallsrita on 13:15 - Dec 17 with 497 views | onehunglow |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 11:00 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
That's an absurdly tenuous suggestion. There was real violence in Northern ireland, armed terrorists killing people.
Why start torching property in Wales to discredit the (in your opinion) non existent people?
Put another way just in case, they, as you suggest, made up a Welsh terorist group and started torching holiday homes to discredit the very group they had made up?
There has been no overwhelming support for indepenence to discredit, it has for a very long time been a small idea in Wales. In recent times we have seen a so called massive surge in support that gets it to....24% but possibly 30% at best, if the polls are to be believed. All this campaigning, all this poverty, all the rhetoric and lies and still there is no overwhelming support for indy.
What do you think it will take to get over 50% of people interested? Or even to get over 50% to turn out for Senedd elections? |
Let’s be brutal Cat. Majority in Wales have little time for Annybinnyaeth being more concerned with more important matter,like living and bringing up families.
Bringing them up to speak Welsh or English ….so far king what
Only NW wales wants to break away and the Welsh speakers of Ceredigion ,normally pretty well comfortably off compared with urban Wales where the language is seen as either irrelevant or a pain .
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers fallsrita on 15:39 - Dec 17 with 453 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers fallsrita on 13:15 - Dec 17 by onehunglow |
Let’s be brutal Cat. Majority in Wales have little time for Annybinnyaeth being more concerned with more important matter,like living and bringing up families.
Bringing them up to speak Welsh or English ….so far king what
Only NW wales wants to break away and the Welsh speakers of Ceredigion ,normally pretty well comfortably off compared with urban Wales where the language is seen as either irrelevant or a pain .
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It may simply be a case of, taking thr voter turn out into account, that as unhappy as very many people are with Westminster we are properly bloody scared of giving full control to theSenedd. We have lived with them for 20 years and watched all the catatrophic changes, seen the watse of money and the ideologically wasteful nonsense the Senedd pumps out.
it's not a case of being Anglophile or loving Westminster, tis the thought of letting the small minded, parochial fools in the Senedd have full control. | |
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