| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls 17:12 - Dec 6 with 8076 views | onehunglow |
Only 17% now.
Odd really considering what Ive read.
Take out the welsh heartlands of Gwynedd and it seems we've been sold a pup.
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 08:45 - Dec 8 with 889 views | Boundy |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 14:43 - Dec 7 by lifelong |
What I find amusing about these threads is that in Wales there are 2 main languages English and Welsh with English being the most spoken, and some people are up in arms calling the Welsh language irrelevant with too much money spent on it.
Yet, in London only 36% of the population were born there with 48% born overseas. Over 300 languages are spoken there with many thousands unable to speak English, dozens of schools are non English speaking, go into some public service premises there and you will see announcements and information written in many languages.
This is referred to as multi cultural and cosmopolitan, perhaps the anti Welsh brigade on here should go up there and demonstrate against this? |
Dare I say but anyone highlighting that in London would be classed as being racist | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:11 - Dec 8 with 867 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 14:43 - Dec 7 by lifelong |
What I find amusing about these threads is that in Wales there are 2 main languages English and Welsh with English being the most spoken, and some people are up in arms calling the Welsh language irrelevant with too much money spent on it.
Yet, in London only 36% of the population were born there with 48% born overseas. Over 300 languages are spoken there with many thousands unable to speak English, dozens of schools are non English speaking, go into some public service premises there and you will see announcements and information written in many languages.
This is referred to as multi cultural and cosmopolitan, perhaps the anti Welsh brigade on here should go up there and demonstrate against this? |
Your population % add up to 84% are the other 16% English people who moved there to work.
You also seem to have got your figures wrong official figures show 40.6% of Londoners were born overseas not the 48% you quote. These are 2021 census figures. [Post edited 8 Dec 2022 10:25]
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:34 - Dec 8 with 858 views | onehunglow |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 09:11 - Dec 8 by felixstowe_jack |
Your population % add up to 84% are the other 16% English people who moved there to work.
You also seem to have got your figures wrong official figures show 40.6% of Londoners were born overseas not the 48% you quote. These are 2021 census figures. [Post edited 8 Dec 2022 10:25]
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It’s a case of them taking over isn’t it.
Colour or language . It’s the same hatred
Language biopsies get away with it | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:06 - Dec 8 with 840 views | lifelong |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 08:45 - Dec 8 by Boundy |
Dare I say but anyone highlighting that in London would be classed as being racist |
I would suggest it would depend how those facts and statistics were used.
In this case they were obtained from the 2021 census and other official websites to highlight how a huge city like London can prosper with a vast diversity of language and culture. Whereby some posters on here complain about the Welsh language which has been spoken in this country for centuries. |  | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:13 - Dec 8 with 837 views | Whiterockin |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:06 - Dec 8 by lifelong |
I would suggest it would depend how those facts and statistics were used.
In this case they were obtained from the 2021 census and other official websites to highlight how a huge city like London can prosper with a vast diversity of language and culture. Whereby some posters on here complain about the Welsh language which has been spoken in this country for centuries. |
How much money is London spending on teaching/promoting languages other than English, excluding what comes out of the normal school budget.
I don't think anyone is saying wales can't prosper with a diversity of languages. What is being said is we are spending a lot of money on something that is clearly not working. |  | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:28 - Dec 8 with 811 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:06 - Dec 8 by lifelong |
I would suggest it would depend how those facts and statistics were used.
In this case they were obtained from the 2021 census and other official websites to highlight how a huge city like London can prosper with a vast diversity of language and culture. Whereby some posters on here complain about the Welsh language which has been spoken in this country for centuries. |
Correct 2021 census figure show 40.6% of people living in London were born overseas not the 48% figures originally claimed by the poster. | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:33 - Dec 8 with 806 views | lifelong |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:13 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
How much money is London spending on teaching/promoting languages other than English, excluding what comes out of the normal school budget.
I don't think anyone is saying wales can't prosper with a diversity of languages. What is being said is we are spending a lot of money on something that is clearly not working. |
I don’t know is the answer to your first question.
I think I understand what people are saying.
Anyway, it’s a lovely day here in South Wales I’m off out with the dog. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:55 - Dec 8 with 786 views | controversial_jack |
No disrespect to any Welsh speakers, but I would prefer my grandkids to learn an international language, such as, German, French, Spanish etc,far more useful | | | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:56 - Dec 8 with 789 views | Whiterockin |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:33 - Dec 8 by lifelong |
I don’t know is the answer to your first question.
I think I understand what people are saying.
Anyway, it’s a lovely day here in South Wales I’m off out with the dog. |
Enjoy it and spoil your friend. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 15:54 - Dec 8 with 763 views | onehunglow |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:33 - Dec 8 by lifelong |
I don’t know is the answer to your first question.
I think I understand what people are saying.
Anyway, it’s a lovely day here in South Wales I’m off out with the dog. |
It’s beautiful here in west Wirral.
Out this morning ,snow on Welsh hills and lambs gambolling on the marshes .
Millions of birds stopping off in Hoylake en route to breeding grounds
Come up for the Open next year and I ll buy you a small beer | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 16:24 - Dec 8 with 740 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:33 - Dec 7 by Gwyn737 |
This is pretty much where I am on the subject.
It’s easy to measure taxes in doctors, nurses and police officers but that’s not all life is about. Culture and the arts need funding and by their very nature not everyone will agree on what’s worthy and what’s not.
I get that people are annoyed by the Senedd. I get people are unionists. Knock yourselves out?
But wanting the language to die? Seems a bit much. |
her's the thing, Gwyn, I don't want Welsh to die out I simply believe we have more important things to spend money on right now.
I will say that about the arts too, Westminster gves a lot of money to the Opera house which I believe is wrong in the current situation. I don't know how much the senedd subsidises the arts by but as things are today we have more important needs.
The arts, just like Welsh will not die out because funding is diverted to hospitals or ambulances. Define Culture,
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a
: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group
also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time
popular culture
Southern culture
b
: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
a corporate culture focused on the bottom line
c
: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic
studying the effect of computers on print culture
Changing the culture of materialism will take time …
Peggy O'Mara
d
: the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations
It does not die because we don't spend millions on it. In fact a lot of the arts and so called culture are patronised by the well off in society, in other words the majority of us pay for rich people to go to opera and ballet when they can easily afford the costs themselves.
I'll repeat it, Welsh will not die because it will exist in those houses that use it and pass it on naturally. It didn't die when English kings tried to snuff it out by force of arms so why would it die now if we spent the money on the NHS instead? What about school budgets, Gwyn? You know how short school budgets are, should we continue to send money in this way when the facts show it is not working? | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 16:35 - Dec 8 with 737 views | Dr_Winston |
How long did they try to have bilingual matchday announcements at the stadium before they ditched the idea? |  |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 17:06 - Dec 8 with 721 views | Gwyn737 |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 16:24 - Dec 8 by Catullus |
her's the thing, Gwyn, I don't want Welsh to die out I simply believe we have more important things to spend money on right now.
I will say that about the arts too, Westminster gves a lot of money to the Opera house which I believe is wrong in the current situation. I don't know how much the senedd subsidises the arts by but as things are today we have more important needs.
The arts, just like Welsh will not die out because funding is diverted to hospitals or ambulances. Define Culture,
1
a
: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group
also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time
popular culture
Southern culture
b
: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
a corporate culture focused on the bottom line
c
: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic
studying the effect of computers on print culture
Changing the culture of materialism will take time …
Peggy O'Mara
d
: the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations
It does not die because we don't spend millions on it. In fact a lot of the arts and so called culture are patronised by the well off in society, in other words the majority of us pay for rich people to go to opera and ballet when they can easily afford the costs themselves.
I'll repeat it, Welsh will not die because it will exist in those houses that use it and pass it on naturally. It didn't die when English kings tried to snuff it out by force of arms so why would it die now if we spent the money on the NHS instead? What about school budgets, Gwyn? You know how short school budgets are, should we continue to send money in this way when the facts show it is not working? |
In this instance Cat, I see it as the same pot of money to reach the same ends - levelling up.
We make sure that throughout our primary school every child has the opportunity to visit a museum, go the the theatre, see a concert, go to a major sporting event, stay away from home and get involved in a community project.
All this stuff is subsided in some way which is a good job as they’d be beyond many families.
In regards to Welsh in particular, if it’s not working then they should look at why not instead of simply pulling the funding. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:31 - Dec 8 with 706 views | Catullus |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 17:06 - Dec 8 by Gwyn737 |
In this instance Cat, I see it as the same pot of money to reach the same ends - levelling up.
We make sure that throughout our primary school every child has the opportunity to visit a museum, go the the theatre, see a concert, go to a major sporting event, stay away from home and get involved in a community project.
All this stuff is subsided in some way which is a good job as they’d be beyond many families.
In regards to Welsh in particular, if it’s not working then they should look at why not instead of simply pulling the funding. |
The reason seems to be that apart from the true Welsh speaking communities, hardly anybody else is interested in using the language everyday.
Kids come home from school and don't use it, it's not used in shops, it's not used online. It will be used in it's heartlands but fo most of us it's an irrelevance.
People talk about culture well culture changes, Wales is a very different place now to what it was 100, 500, 1000 years ago, the culture grew and changed. Why do people keep on harking back to the past, can't we move forward and see what it brings instead of trying to keep the past alive, it's on life support, let the natural course wend its way and see what happens? | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:31 - Dec 8 with 706 views | Whiterockin |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 17:06 - Dec 8 by Gwyn737 |
In this instance Cat, I see it as the same pot of money to reach the same ends - levelling up.
We make sure that throughout our primary school every child has the opportunity to visit a museum, go the the theatre, see a concert, go to a major sporting event, stay away from home and get involved in a community project.
All this stuff is subsided in some way which is a good job as they’d be beyond many families.
In regards to Welsh in particular, if it’s not working then they should look at why not instead of simply pulling the funding. |
"In regards to Welsh in particular, if it’s not working then they should look at why not instead of simply pulling the funding."
I agree but can you see the Senedd eating humble pie and admit that they have got it wrong. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:53 - Dec 8 with 693 views | Gwyn737 |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:31 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
"In regards to Welsh in particular, if it’s not working then they should look at why not instead of simply pulling the funding."
I agree but can you see the Senedd eating humble pie and admit that they have got it wrong. |
If the census info doesn’t make them reflect, nothing will 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:11 - Dec 8 with 684 views | max936 |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 06:58 - Dec 8 by Dr_Winston |
Again, nobody (well, maybe Perchy) wants to see Welsh die out. And here's the thing; it's not going to. Not for centuries to come at the very least. Welsh speaking families will still raise Welsh speaking kids until long after we and our grandkids' grandkids will be cold in the ground.
There's just no need to subsidise the process. |
Why not subsidize the Welsh Language its Welsh heritage we're talking about, there's way to many things that get millions thrown at it and inevitably wasted, how much did it cost, to carry out an enquiry/consultations on the M4 by pass around Newport tunnels only to see that idea binned, a blind bat has more vision than most of these "politicians" [Post edited 8 Dec 2022 22:21]
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:20 - Dec 8 with 679 views | Togg |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:11 - Dec 8 by max936 |
Why not subsidize the Welsh Language its Welsh heritage we're talking about, there's way to many things that get millions thrown at it and inevitably wasted, how much did it cost, to carry out an enquiry/consultations on the M4 by pass around Newport tunnels only to see that idea binned, a blind bat has more vision than most of these "politicians" [Post edited 8 Dec 2022 22:21]
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That was huge money wasted regardless of your political views. The funds were available to improve the traffic through the main artery of Wales but turned down. | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:39 - Dec 8 with 657 views | onehunglow |
Why not just invest the language money into something more useful.
We can all speak English | |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:25 - Dec 8 with 623 views | builthjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 10:13 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
How much money is London spending on teaching/promoting languages other than English, excluding what comes out of the normal school budget.
I don't think anyone is saying wales can't prosper with a diversity of languages. What is being said is we are spending a lot of money on something that is clearly not working. |
Loads of dosh is spent in London teaching other languages.
Are we not allowed to do that in Wales.
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:27 - Dec 8 with 622 views | max936 |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 19:20 - Dec 8 by Togg |
That was huge money wasted regardless of your political views. The funds were available to improve the traffic through the main artery of Wales but turned down. |
I agree, killed investment into South Wales at least, the area is a total blackspot, I'm lucky in that I don't use that route that often, but feel for those that use it daily.  | | | |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 21:24 - Dec 9 with 553 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 22:52 - Dec 7 by max936 |
Well, I'm astonished by the number of actual Welsh people that want to see their nations language die out, I can't speak it as I never had the opportunity to when I was young a cop out by me perhaps, but I never ever want to see the language die.
And I couldn't give a monkeys chuff whoever disagrees either. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 22:53]
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 21:25 - Dec 9 with 553 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 18:33 - Dec 7 by Gwyn737 |
This is pretty much where I am on the subject.
It’s easy to measure taxes in doctors, nurses and police officers but that’s not all life is about. Culture and the arts need funding and by their very nature not everyone will agree on what’s worthy and what’s not.
I get that people are annoyed by the Senedd. I get people are unionists. Knock yourselves out?
But wanting the language to die? Seems a bit much. |
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 21:36 - Dec 9 with 546 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 20:39 - Dec 8 by onehunglow |
Why not just invest the language money into something more useful.
We can all speak English |
Why not save money and fund the welsh language at the same time….?
Here are some choices on how we could save money.
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| Proportion of Welsh speakers falls on 21:38 - Dec 9 with 544 views | Kilkennyjack |
Btw …
The negative attention as a whole is based on a fall in the percentage of 3-15 year olds it is claimed speak Welsh,” Heini Gruffudd, the Chair of Dyfodol i’r Iaith, said.
“But those percentages are more of an interpretation by parents that a real test of whether children can speak Welsh.”
Dont believe the hype …..ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ [Post edited 9 Dec 2022 21:44]
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