| Whittaker gone 11:50 - Jul 17 with 15114 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Whittaker gone on 17:35 - Jul 18 with 1361 views | jackrmee |
| Whittaker gone on 13:26 - Jul 18 by Dr_Winston |
Struggling to think of many young players who got chances under Martin. Oli Cooper at a push maybe.
One of the first things he did was to replace Benda. Congreve's development has stalled completely. Whittaker we all know was basically persona non grata to him. He persisted with Cullen, but a lot of people seem to think that he's younger than he actually is (Piroe is younger). |
I would count Cullen. He may be older, but no one gave him the chance to succeed, including me. Martin saw it.
Ok it was only one season, but I never thought in a million years Cullen would make it at the Swans. So glad to be wrong on that one (potentially) |  |
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| Whittaker gone on 17:50 - Jul 18 with 1336 views | Fireboy2 |
| Whittaker gone on 17:35 - Jul 18 by jackrmee |
I would count Cullen. He may be older, but no one gave him the chance to succeed, including me. Martin saw it.
Ok it was only one season, but I never thought in a million years Cullen would make it at the Swans. So glad to be wrong on that one (potentially) |
I would absolutely love it if cullen would push on next season but I don't think he's good enough for us if we want to be challenging for the play offs. |  | | |
| Whittaker gone on 18:40 - Jul 18 with 1301 views | guthrieintherain |
| Whittaker gone on 17:50 - Jul 18 by Fireboy2 |
I would absolutely love it if cullen would push on next season but I don't think he's good enough for us if we want to be challenging for the play offs. |
Ok off the bench but we need another striker possibly 2 if Piroe goes.
5 million plus Ollie or Brewster would do if Sheff U fancy s new striker. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 18:45]
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| Whittaker gone on 19:04 - Jul 18 with 1279 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Whittaker gone on 14:28 - Jul 18 by Badlands |
You have to be in the right place at the right time to score taps ins.
Once he was given game time his strike rate became impressive.
His type of player used to be called 'goal poacher'and has given manybplayers a good living, e.g. Gary Linker and Allie McCoist.
Liam Cullen Characteristics
+ Strengths
Headed attempts - Very Strong
Through balls - Strong
Finishing - Strong
Holding on to the ball - Strong
- Weaknesses
Defensive contribution - Weak
Not saying he's the answer o fantastic just that he's better than he's getting credited for. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 14:36]
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I must be msitaken then because I thought he got a lot more game time than a few younger players before he started scoring.
He certainly got a lot more chances than Whittaker or Joseph. | | | |
| Whittaker gone on 21:45 - Jul 18 with 1199 views | jackrmee |
| Whittaker gone on 17:50 - Jul 18 by Fireboy2 |
I would absolutely love it if cullen would push on next season but I don't think he's good enough for us if we want to be challenging for the play offs. |
I agree. But I never thought he was good enough to break into our first team, let alone score the amount he did.
His work rate is right up Duff street by the sound of it | |
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| Whittaker gone on 21:54 - Jul 18 with 1176 views | Fireboy2 |
| Whittaker gone on 18:40 - Jul 18 by guthrieintherain |
Ok off the bench but we need another striker possibly 2 if Piroe goes.
5 million plus Ollie or Brewster would do if Sheff U fancy s new striker. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 18:45]
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I'd love to have both back on loan as they would suit duffs gameplan and work ethic but their wages would be a stumbling block. | | | |
| Whittaker gone on 22:34 - Jul 18 with 1129 views | grabsplatter |
| Whittaker gone on 21:54 - Jul 18 by Fireboy2 |
I'd love to have both back on loan as they would suit duffs gameplan and work ethic but their wages would be a stumbling block. |
Brewster has been a terrible signing for them, hardly scored a goal & hamstrings as fragile as Montero. On his wages no thank you |  | | |
| Whittaker gone on 07:48 - Jul 19 with 1050 views | guthrieintherain |
| Whittaker gone on 22:34 - Jul 18 by grabsplatter |
Brewster has been a terrible signing for them, hardly scored a goal & hamstrings as fragile as Montero. On his wages no thank you |
Brewster is on a lot more than Ollie.
Both fees have plumbeted and are shown as about 3.5 million each.
They paid over 40 million for the pair shocking really.
So 7 million plus ollie sounds a reasonable deal.
Works very hard and would suit Duff down to the ground. [Post edited 19 Jul 2023 7:51]
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| Whittaker gone on 08:32 - Jul 19 with 1031 views | Dr_Winston |
As well as Piroe has done he has yet to match McBurnie's single season tally, although JP has been playing under a worse manager.
Think Sheff Utd activated an extension clause in his deal there, although whether that's because they want to use him in the Prem or just to avoid losing him for free is a debate. He did score fifteen goals last season so could be a bit of both. |  |
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| Whittaker gone on 09:51 - Jul 19 with 976 views | KeithHaynes |
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Argyle continued their unbeaten start to pre-season claiming a 1-1 draw against Torquay United at Plainmoor, with record signing Morgan Whittaker scoring a stunning goal on his return to the club. It was from that resulting corner that Whittaker well and truly announced his return to Argyle as the ball broke to him on the edge of the box and the forward lashed an unstoppable volley into the far corner.
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| Whittaker gone on 09:52 - Jul 19 with 973 views | Badlands |
| Whittaker gone on 19:04 - Jul 18 by SullutaCreturned |
I must be msitaken then because I thought he got a lot more game time than a few younger players before he started scoring.
He certainly got a lot more chances than Whittaker or Joseph. |
He did TBF play more than a few (averaged 43 minutes an appearance) and agree about Whittaker and Joseph.
But there again Joseph was on loan and Martin obviously didn’t want Whittaker.
Just some indicators …
Joseph 37 L1 appearance (av 73 mins) … 9 goals … 303 minutes per goL
Whittaker 25 L1 appearances (av 69 mins) … 9 goals … 193 minutes per goal (big plus was 7 assists)
Cullen 29 Championship appearances ( av 43 mins) … 8 goals … 152 minutes per goal
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| Whittaker gone on 09:53 - Jul 19 with 963 views | union_jack |
| Whittaker gone on 09:51 - Jul 19 by KeithHaynes |
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Argyle continued their unbeaten start to pre-season claiming a 1-1 draw against Torquay United at Plainmoor, with record signing Morgan Whittaker scoring a stunning goal on his return to the club. It was from that resulting corner that Whittaker well and truly announced his return to Argyle as the ball broke to him on the edge of the box and the forward lashed an unstoppable volley into the far corner.
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Got a feeling he’s going to be fired up in the games against us. |  |
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| Whittaker gone on 09:59 - Jul 19 with 951 views | Whiterockin |
| Whittaker gone on 09:53 - Jul 19 by union_jack |
Got a feeling he’s going to be fired up in the games against us. |
I would hope our defenders know exactly how to defend against him. |  | | |
| Whittaker gone on 10:23 - Jul 19 with 930 views | Fireboy2 |
Builhy spoke to an 50 year season ticket holder argyle fan whilst on holiday and he said that whittaker isn't interested in the hard graft off the ball, he is only interested when he has the ball in the box, make of that what you will.
Imo I think he will struggle with the rigours of the championship, he will do a bit of brilliance here and there, score a few but won't be interested in the hard work when his teams back is against the wall, they will see the real whittaker if they are struggling neat the bottom.
But they have a good manager in schumaker, he could get a good tune out of them which in turn will make whittaker play well | | | |
| Whittaker gone on 11:28 - Jul 19 with 888 views | onehunglow |
| Whittaker gone on 10:23 - Jul 19 by Fireboy2 |
Builhy spoke to an 50 year season ticket holder argyle fan whilst on holiday and he said that whittaker isn't interested in the hard graft off the ball, he is only interested when he has the ball in the box, make of that what you will.
Imo I think he will struggle with the rigours of the championship, he will do a bit of brilliance here and there, score a few but won't be interested in the hard work when his teams back is against the wall, they will see the real whittaker if they are struggling neat the bottom.
But they have a good manager in schumaker, he could get a good tune out of them which in turn will make whittaker play well |
And the likes of Denis Law and Jimmy Greaves could be marked the same.
Neither did much outside the box but inside were deadly. Funnily enough,they were called strikers too.people who buried the ball into the net for their team who often enough sent onto win.
Our beautiful young black Lab runs around and grafts too . | |
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| Whittaker gone on 11:35 - Jul 19 with 875 views | Whiterockin |
| Whittaker gone on 11:28 - Jul 19 by onehunglow |
And the likes of Denis Law and Jimmy Greaves could be marked the same.
Neither did much outside the box but inside were deadly. Funnily enough,they were called strikers too.people who buried the ball into the net for their team who often enough sent onto win.
Our beautiful young black Lab runs around and grafts too . |
Football has moved on mate, more is expected of players these days. How long do you think our ex player Tommy Smith would stay on the pitch if he played today. Different horses Different courses. | | | |
| Whittaker gone on 13:49 - Jul 19 with 800 views | Badlands |
| Whittaker gone on 10:23 - Jul 19 by Fireboy2 |
Builhy spoke to an 50 year season ticket holder argyle fan whilst on holiday and he said that whittaker isn't interested in the hard graft off the ball, he is only interested when he has the ball in the box, make of that what you will.
Imo I think he will struggle with the rigours of the championship, he will do a bit of brilliance here and there, score a few but won't be interested in the hard work when his teams back is against the wall, they will see the real whittaker if they are struggling neat the bottom.
But they have a good manager in schumaker, he could get a good tune out of them which in turn will make whittaker play well |
It's only in the last few Piroe has offered much apart from his attacking role.
Attackers in the Wilfried Bony mould are very few and far between. | |
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| Whittaker gone on 13:49 - Jul 19 with 795 views | onehunglow |
| Whittaker gone on 11:35 - Jul 19 by Whiterockin |
Football has moved on mate, more is expected of players these days. How long do you think our ex player Tommy Smith would stay on the pitch if he played today. Different horses Different courses. |
It’s a fair response albeit predictable .
Strikers priority though is still to hit the target . | |
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| Whittaker gone on 14:00 - Jul 19 with 797 views | Dr_Winston |
Jason Scotland was frequently accused of not getting involved in the hard graft, and that was ludicrous too.
Frankly all I'm much interested in when it comes to my strikers is how many goals they score. At a push maybe they can create some for others too. The last thing I want them doing is pointlessly chasing the ball around or ending up in the centre circle.
I just hope we've added a reasonable sell on clause in any deal for MW. | |
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| Whittaker gone on 14:11 - Jul 19 with 785 views | Fireboy2 |
| Whittaker gone on 14:00 - Jul 19 by Dr_Winston |
Jason Scotland was frequently accused of not getting involved in the hard graft, and that was ludicrous too.
Frankly all I'm much interested in when it comes to my strikers is how many goals they score. At a push maybe they can create some for others too. The last thing I want them doing is pointlessly chasing the ball around or ending up in the centre circle.
I just hope we've added a reasonable sell on clause in any deal for MW. |
Every player on the park has a defensive role, even the strikers, they should press just like a midfielder, what I have been told and more Importantly seen with my own eyes is whittakers lack of workrate off the ball.
Most managers want fit footballers as the game had changed totally, it looks like whittaker got away with it at Plymouth because he was scoring regularly, there must be players there who cover his @rse, he will get away with it in league 1 but he won't in the championship. | | | |
| Whittaker gone on 14:16 - Jul 19 with 782 views | Dr_Winston |
| Whittaker gone on 14:11 - Jul 19 by Fireboy2 |
Every player on the park has a defensive role, even the strikers, they should press just like a midfielder, what I have been told and more Importantly seen with my own eyes is whittakers lack of workrate off the ball.
Most managers want fit footballers as the game had changed totally, it looks like whittaker got away with it at Plymouth because he was scoring regularly, there must be players there who cover his @rse, he will get away with it in league 1 but he won't in the championship. |
You desperately want him to fail don't you? | |
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| Whittaker gone on 14:28 - Jul 19 with 755 views | onehunglow |
| Whittaker gone on 14:11 - Jul 19 by Fireboy2 |
Every player on the park has a defensive role, even the strikers, they should press just like a midfielder, what I have been told and more Importantly seen with my own eyes is whittakers lack of workrate off the ball.
Most managers want fit footballers as the game had changed totally, it looks like whittaker got away with it at Plymouth because he was scoring regularly, there must be players there who cover his @rse, he will get away with it in league 1 but he won't in the championship. |
You could suggest every defender has a striking role too. Why do they go up for corners an£ set pieces?
Goals win games,not work rates nor possession stats.
We have never won a game on work rate alone
No team has. | |
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| Whittaker gone on 15:44 - Jul 19 with 722 views | Fireboy2 |
| Whittaker gone on 14:16 - Jul 19 by Dr_Winston |
You desperately want him to fail don't you? |
No not really, I just don't think he's got the work ethics to accompany his obvious skill, that's why I don't think he will succeed in the championship but that's just my opinion.
But now he's at a club whose manager wants him and whittaker seems to want to play for him who knows, he might decide to put a shift in.
Using my experience of my team game RL, I have played with and coached some absolute class acts but they just didn't want to do the hard work in training and on the pitch, they want the glory stuff, whittaker reminds me of those fellas, when the going got tough they were nowhere to be seen. | | | |
| Whittaker gone on 17:01 - Jul 19 with 688 views | Boundy |
| Whittaker gone on 14:11 - Jul 19 by Fireboy2 |
Every player on the park has a defensive role, even the strikers, they should press just like a midfielder, what I have been told and more Importantly seen with my own eyes is whittakers lack of workrate off the ball.
Most managers want fit footballers as the game had changed totally, it looks like whittaker got away with it at Plymouth because he was scoring regularly, there must be players there who cover his @rse, he will get away with it in league 1 but he won't in the championship. |
There's an old saying in football you defend from the front ,chasing and harrying the opposition defence often leads to opportunity and chances created | |
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| Whittaker gone on 17:44 - Jul 19 with 637 views | raynor94 |
Scored a so called worldie in a friendly last night |  |
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