| UK NET IMMIGRATION 17:54 - Jan 12 with 7303 views | johnlangy |
ONS figures on net migration into the UK show that the numbers in the year to June 2025 fell to 204,000 compared with the record of 944,000 to March 2023. You'd imagine this would be a huge cause for celebration among the millions of people who have been so concerned about the numbers.
You would imagine that if people are so concerned about immigration they'd be interested enough to check out the facts.
Bearing that in mind, can any of you explain why it is that when asked by pollsters 67% believe that the numbers have increased while the percentage of Reform voters who believe it has risen is 80%.
So again, can any of you explain why those people aren't interested in facts ? It appears that they simply believe what they believe and don't want facts getting in the way of those beliefs ? |  | | |  |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 18:07 - Jan 12 with 4206 views | Dr_Winston |
The key word is "net". |  |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 18:19 - Jan 12 with 4195 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 18:07 - Jan 12 by Dr_Winston |
The key word is "net". |
We had about 800,000 people arrive last year.
The 200,000 net figure resulted from Sunak's policy so no one in Government wants to talk about it. |  |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 18:21 - Jan 12 with 4192 views | Whiterockin |
Record emigration is distorting the figures. There is no need to ask why they are leaving, delve deeper and it is skilled workers.
https://news.sky.com/story/num |  | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 18:28 - Jan 12 with 4181 views | AnotherJohn |
The decrease in overall numbers is good news, but there are also negative aspects. As well as higher emigration, the figures show:
Near-record number of irregular arrivals.
Rising numbers of asylum family reunification visas.
Fewer skilled worker visas.
The proportion of total arrivals likely to make a net fiscal contribution appears to be falling. | | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 21:24 - Jan 12 with 4119 views | KeithHaynes |
I’m unsure if it’s lawful net migration that a lot are on about. |  |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 22:37 - Jan 12 with 4069 views | majorraglan |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 18:21 - Jan 12 by Whiterockin |
Record emigration is distorting the figures. There is no need to ask why they are leaving, delve deeper and it is skilled workers.
https://news.sky.com/story/num |
I think today’s figures are a welcome step in the right direction, we’re not where I’d like us to be, but I think these figures are a big improvement on previous year’s numbers. There’s more work to be done to reign the figures in and get high caliber of the people coming, but the numbers are coming down.
British citizen emigration peaked in 2021 at 283,000, it then hovered around todays figure for the last 4 years. The number of returning Brits increased by 83,000 up to 143,000. What is noticeable is that EU citizen emigration is increasing as more lave the country.
There’s more work to be done, but things are much moving forward. The current government have further tightening criteria’s up, increased the length people have to wait for particular status, introduced a ban on DRC citizens obtaining visas (and proposed similar moves against other countries and increased removals. It’s not all rosy in the garden, but it’s better than it’s been for a while with hopefully more to come. | | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 22:39 - Jan 12 with 4062 views | johnlangy |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 22:37 - Jan 12 by majorraglan |
I think today’s figures are a welcome step in the right direction, we’re not where I’d like us to be, but I think these figures are a big improvement on previous year’s numbers. There’s more work to be done to reign the figures in and get high caliber of the people coming, but the numbers are coming down.
British citizen emigration peaked in 2021 at 283,000, it then hovered around todays figure for the last 4 years. The number of returning Brits increased by 83,000 up to 143,000. What is noticeable is that EU citizen emigration is increasing as more lave the country.
There’s more work to be done, but things are much moving forward. The current government have further tightening criteria’s up, increased the length people have to wait for particular status, introduced a ban on DRC citizens obtaining visas (and proposed similar moves against other countries and increased removals. It’s not all rosy in the garden, but it’s better than it’s been for a while with hopefully more to come. |
Correct Major. And the numbers are projected to drop quite substantially more in 2026. | | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 22:50 - Jan 12 with 4033 views | Demitrius |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 18:28 - Jan 12 by AnotherJohn |
The decrease in overall numbers is good news, but there are also negative aspects. As well as higher emigration, the figures show:
Near-record number of irregular arrivals.
Rising numbers of asylum family reunification visas.
Fewer skilled worker visas.
The proportion of total arrivals likely to make a net fiscal contribution appears to be falling. |
Plus many instances of this....
https://www.forthcapital.com/u
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 10:07 - Jan 13 with 3916 views | onehunglow |
This is above me
Im 76 tomorrow and clearly drifting away
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 10:18 - Jan 13 with 3917 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
On the Forth Capital figures, I have an old eork colleague who works in Westminster who tells me that the Non Dom changes are having a negative impact, he wouldn't give me the numbers, he's usually forthcoming so I guess it's a problem. | |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 11:47 - Jan 13 with 3879 views | Demitrius |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 10:18 - Jan 13 by JACKMANANDBOY |
On the Forth Capital figures, I have an old eork colleague who works in Westminster who tells me that the Non Dom changes are having a negative impact, he wouldn't give me the numbers, he's usually forthcoming so I guess it's a problem. |
If you said about 15 years ago that then economic basket cases like Portugal and Greece would be among the top places for emigrating investors to relocate to and the UK the worst in 2025 they would have thought you a nutjob.
They bore their collective pain, learnt painful political & economic lessons and have emerged stronger for it. Sadly I think with the muppet show we have in charge the real pain is yet to come and we haven't hit the bottom of the curve yet as this depressing article in the Telegraph illustrates...
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 08:48 - May 22 with 2976 views | majorraglan |
More good news, net migration for 2025 was down to 171,000 and was at its lowest level since 2012. There’s still much work to be done and the number entering the country needs to be much lower, but its movement in the right direction.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv | | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 10:19 - May 22 with 2926 views | Dr_Winston |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 08:48 - May 22 by majorraglan |
More good news, net migration for 2025 was down to 171,000 and was at its lowest level since 2012. There’s still much work to be done and the number entering the country needs to be much lower, but its movement in the right direction.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv |
It means very little to be honest. The numbers coming in are still in the high hundreds of thousands, and it's very likely that the increase in those leaving is down to people fleeing the current Government and its apparent desire to lay claim to everything people own.
In reality migration really needs to be a net negative for a good number of years, and those leaving can't be those who are a benefit to the economy. | |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 11:11 - May 22 with 2901 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 10:19 - May 22 by Dr_Winston |
It means very little to be honest. The numbers coming in are still in the high hundreds of thousands, and it's very likely that the increase in those leaving is down to people fleeing the current Government and its apparent desire to lay claim to everything people own.
In reality migration really needs to be a net negative for a good number of years, and those leaving can't be those who are a benefit to the economy. |
The largest group leaving are non-EU citizens.
The number of uk citizens leaving is pretty typical and has been stable for years so I'm not sure how it can be attributed to the current govenment. | | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 11:38 - May 22 with 2885 views | Demitrius |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 11:11 - May 22 by Gwyn737 |
The largest group leaving are non-EU citizens.
The number of uk citizens leaving is pretty typical and has been stable for years so I'm not sure how it can be attributed to the current govenment. |
Equally he cannot take credit for the reduction in arrivals but in true Starmer-style there he is patting himself on the head and smugly spouting off, the weapons grade buffoon that he is....
The changes to the visa system that Cleverly brought in and that Labour opposed are now bearing fruit as these things always take a few years to bear fruit.
Meanwhile in boat crossings the only gang that has been smashed was done by a BBC investigation not his inept regime | |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 11:43 - May 22 with 2875 views | Whiterockin |
About a quarter of a million British nationals emigrate every year and this number is consistent. About 120,000 British nationals return to the UK every year. So in British nationals alone, we have a migration figure of about 130,000 that we should consider in these calculations. | | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 12:04 - May 22 with 2862 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 11:38 - May 22 by Demitrius |
Equally he cannot take credit for the reduction in arrivals but in true Starmer-style there he is patting himself on the head and smugly spouting off, the weapons grade buffoon that he is....
The changes to the visa system that Cleverly brought in and that Labour opposed are now bearing fruit as these things always take a few years to bear fruit.
Meanwhile in boat crossings the only gang that has been smashed was done by a BBC investigation not his inept regime |
Absoultely.
And those measures were brought in post the 'Boris wave'. | | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 14:02 - May 22 with 2830 views | AnotherJohn |
This is good news as far as it goes, But we don’t yet have a published statistics that disaggregate the net figure for YE March 2026 and show the precise breakdown of arrivals and departures. As others say in the thread, this will determine just how good the news is.
Going back to the question posed in the OP about why so few seem impressed with the latest quarterly figures, my take is that many people are still preoccupied with the changes that have accompanied migration-related UK population increase of over 10 million since 2000 (bear in mind that that reflects net migration and inward immigration will have been even higher). The people who have arrived, both the useful members of society in productive employment and those who don’t make a positive fiscal contribution, are still with us, and the problems of integration are still all too apparent. Therefore, the marginal change has less impact in many people’s eyes than the big picture. | | | |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 15:37 - May 22 with 2804 views | KeithHaynes |
Not bothered about migration at ll. it’s lawful and is what it is.
Illegal entrants are the issue. | |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 21:19 - May 22 with 2750 views | Dr_Winston |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 15:37 - May 22 by KeithHaynes |
Not bothered about migration at ll. it’s lawful and is what it is.
Illegal entrants are the issue. |
Doesn't much matter how they enter if they're not contributing.
Every single person invited into the UK should be under scrutiny about what they're bringing to the party. No non-UK nationals should be receiving non-contributory benefits of any kind.
If you're here, you're here to work and pay into the system. If you're not doing that, then cheerio. | |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 21:26 - May 22 with 2744 views | union_jack |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 21:19 - May 22 by Dr_Winston |
Doesn't much matter how they enter if they're not contributing.
Every single person invited into the UK should be under scrutiny about what they're bringing to the party. No non-UK nationals should be receiving non-contributory benefits of any kind.
If you're here, you're here to work and pay into the system. If you're not doing that, then cheerio. |
And those are the kind of migrants this country needs. What we don’t need and certainly don’t want (unless you’re some unwashed lefty) is boatloads of illegals coming in every day of the year without hinderance. |  |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 21:38 - May 22 with 2739 views | Dr_Winston |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 21:26 - May 22 by union_jack |
And those are the kind of migrants this country needs. What we don’t need and certainly don’t want (unless you’re some unwashed lefty) is boatloads of illegals coming in every day of the year without hinderance. |
The illegals are a fraction of the issue. Maybe 10% of the total.
Those coming here legally far outweigh them in terms of numbers. That's been an issue for years, accelerated by BoJo. Unfortunately not enough of them are paying into the system.
We have to be tougher on who we subsidise or the country is f*cked. That's just basic maths/economics/reality, call it what you will. Immigration is great if you're adding to the strength of the country. If all you're adding is takers then the only way is down. | |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 22:49 - May 22 with 2706 views | Boundy |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 21:24 - Jan 12 by KeithHaynes |
I’m unsure if it’s lawful net migration that a lot are on about. |
You'd be correct in that assuption , something the "refugees are welcome " brigade choose to ignore .Even the less intelligent understand why we have immigration but like the highly intelligent amongst us can't understand why the lefty puppets seem to ignore that fact. | |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 22:50 - May 22 with 2704 views | union_jack |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 21:38 - May 22 by Dr_Winston |
The illegals are a fraction of the issue. Maybe 10% of the total.
Those coming here legally far outweigh them in terms of numbers. That's been an issue for years, accelerated by BoJo. Unfortunately not enough of them are paying into the system.
We have to be tougher on who we subsidise or the country is f*cked. That's just basic maths/economics/reality, call it what you will. Immigration is great if you're adding to the strength of the country. If all you're adding is takers then the only way is down. |
Agreed but 10% can still be a very large number. | |
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| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 22:51 - May 22 with 2704 views | Boundy |
| UK NET IMMIGRATION on 08:48 - May 22 by majorraglan |
More good news, net migration for 2025 was down to 171,000 and was at its lowest level since 2012. There’s still much work to be done and the number entering the country needs to be much lower, but its movement in the right direction.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv |
Be joyful when the undocumented boat people are stopped from entering the country , until then I suggest you keep your powder dry. | |
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