| Sir Jim Ratcliffe 12:12 - Feb 12 with 6776 views | union_jack |
Another one coerced into apologising for saying it as it is (apart from his population figures which were wrong). |  |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:56 - Feb 17 with 695 views | Luther27 |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 08:17 - Feb 17 by Scotia |
We don't ned to go round in circles."Immigrants" was used in a derogatory and demonstrably false way.
They can be a multitude of immigrant races, some of which may have idenitcal physical or social traits as British citizens - those would not "colonise" anywhere, they wouldn't need to becasue they share the same social construct as Brits. Potentially Austrailians, New Zealanders, Americans and even some European immigrants.
All immigrants are of a different ethnicity but to "colonise" you wish to change culture, language, political representation, traditions etc.
Sir Jim claimed this was happening across the UK and he lumped all immigrants in to this group, targetting those of different ethnicity and not race. Perhaps ethnicism would have been a more specific choice of word but the defnition of racism covers both. |
Colonise….interesting word. Take a stroll from Paddington to Marble Arch. I’ve seen more English signs in Saudi than there….and heard more spoken English. |  | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 11:04 - Feb 17 with 657 views | onehunglow |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:56 - Feb 17 by Luther27 |
Colonise….interesting word. Take a stroll from Paddington to Marble Arch. I’ve seen more English signs in Saudi than there….and heard more spoken English. |
It’s pay back time Luth , me ol mucker
They are doing to us what we did world wide
It’s like when colonial countries gave away passports hoping they would come and do our dhitty jobs
Well , it backfired and it’s down to us
Had we stayed the fook out of Africa and Caribean and the sub continent then tho gd would be different
You can’t blame folk for wanting to stick together and a casual stroll around Burnley or Blackburn or Bradford is the evidence
We have to suck it up I’m afraid though our humanitarian Fabian type middle class feels we should bleed for them as long as they don’t colonise their town | |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 12:19 - Feb 17 with 620 views | Whiterockin |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 09:09 - Feb 17 by Scotia |
Sir Jim said "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."
He didn't say Burnley, Bradford or Luton. He said the UK. My eyes are open and he's wrong.
If anything immigrants are under represented in positions of power. Swansea has 75 councillors, just 2 are black. Wales has 60 Senedd members just 2 are members of ethnic minorities. I could walk from my house in north Swansea through the city and down to Mumbles pier (probably 15 miles) I'd walk thorugh one street that comprises a majority of immigrant operated businesses. Just one and I could avoid that.
I've been to Bath, Hereford and Cardiff for weekedn over the past 6 weeks. It's no different ot here.
That isn't colonisation. I'm off to Benidrom this weekend, that could be the biggest example of colonisation in Europe. |
There are areas in the UK where it is prevalent, just because you can't see it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are none so blind as those who don't want to see, particularly when they are trying to justify a failing argument. |  | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 12:36 - Feb 17 with 579 views | onehunglow |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 12:19 - Feb 17 by Whiterockin |
There are areas in the UK where it is prevalent, just because you can't see it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are none so blind as those who don't want to see, particularly when they are trying to justify a failing argument. |
There are several pre war videos around of Bradford and its denizens
A wealthy , proud city
The difference is staggering | |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 12:55 - Feb 17 with 569 views | Whiterockin |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 12:36 - Feb 17 by onehunglow |
There are several pre war videos around of Bradford and its denizens
A wealthy , proud city
The difference is staggering |
I can only relate to what I have seen with my own eyes. When I was working I travelled extensively throughout the UK and definitely there are areas which are predominantly populated with Asians, I'm not talking about a single road but whole suburbs. As a white male I did get sideways glances and occasionally I felt intimidated, I wouldn't have gone there after dark and I kept to the main thoroughfares. As others have said there are notorious city's but if Ratcliffe drove to Carrington through Irlam I can see exactly where he is coming from. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 13:28 - Feb 17 with 532 views | Whiterockin |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 09:09 - Feb 17 by Scotia |
Sir Jim said "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."
He didn't say Burnley, Bradford or Luton. He said the UK. My eyes are open and he's wrong.
If anything immigrants are under represented in positions of power. Swansea has 75 councillors, just 2 are black. Wales has 60 Senedd members just 2 are members of ethnic minorities. I could walk from my house in north Swansea through the city and down to Mumbles pier (probably 15 miles) I'd walk thorugh one street that comprises a majority of immigrant operated businesses. Just one and I could avoid that.
I've been to Bath, Hereford and Cardiff for weekedn over the past 6 weeks. It's no different ot here.
That isn't colonisation. I'm off to Benidrom this weekend, that could be the biggest example of colonisation in Europe. |
You could walk via the Swansea Sandfields to open your eyes. St Helens primary school [as I have said previously go past a school at 3pm to se the demographics of the community] as an example. Eighty-eight per cent have English as an
additional language. Thirteen per cent of pupils are of white British ethnicity. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 14:01 - Feb 17 with 486 views | onehunglow |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 12:55 - Feb 17 by Whiterockin |
I can only relate to what I have seen with my own eyes. When I was working I travelled extensively throughout the UK and definitely there are areas which are predominantly populated with Asians, I'm not talking about a single road but whole suburbs. As a white male I did get sideways glances and occasionally I felt intimidated, I wouldn't have gone there after dark and I kept to the main thoroughfares. As others have said there are notorious city's but if Ratcliffe drove to Carrington through Irlam I can see exactly where he is coming from. |
As you’ve got around , you know
My mum was a Sandfields girl
Fleet St was rather different last time I was down there | |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 14:02 - Feb 17 with 498 views | Scotia |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 12:36 - Feb 17 by onehunglow |
There are several pre war videos around of Bradford and its denizens
A wealthy , proud city
The difference is staggering |
Because in post war Britain there was a massive Labour shortage and demand for Labour saw the UK invite immigration from commonwealth countries. Invite being the important word. We needed them and in many cases still need them. | | | |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 14:10 - Feb 17 with 495 views | Scotia |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 13:28 - Feb 17 by Whiterockin |
You could walk via the Swansea Sandfields to open your eyes. St Helens primary school [as I have said previously go past a school at 3pm to se the demographics of the community] as an example. Eighty-eight per cent have English as an
additional language. Thirteen per cent of pupils are of white British ethnicity. |
I'd have to and that is the one area in which immigration would be evident.
My route would take me through Clase, Treboeth, Brynhyfrhyd, Greenhill, Dyfatty, Orchard Street, Kingsway, St Helens Road, Brynmill, Singleton, Blackpill, West Cross and Mumbles.
I could walk back via Derwen Fawr, Sketty, Townhill, Fforestfach, Gendros and Penlan - it would be exactly the same as the walk down.
Only one of those areas is dominated by immigration. Incidentally there are two areas I wouldn't be happy for Mrs Scotia to walk along on her own. Neither of them is St Helens Road. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 14:13 - Feb 17 with 493 views | Scotia |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 12:19 - Feb 17 by Whiterockin |
There are areas in the UK where it is prevalent, just because you can't see it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are none so blind as those who don't want to see, particularly when they are trying to justify a failing argument. |
For the Umpteenth time. Sir Jim didn't say areas of the Uk did he? He said the UK. It hasn't. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 15:03 - Feb 17 with 458 views | pencoedjack |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 17:24 - Feb 12 by Gwyn737 |
Maybe.
I think it’s true of the public sector workers from senior managers to cleaning staff that billionaires moving to tax havens to avoid paying billions in taxes is a bad thing for the society they’ve left.
Seems I’m pretty much a lone voice. Again.
But that’s fine. We’ve all got opinions. |
Maybe it would be good if we as a country encouraged rich people to stay rather than tax them to the hilt.
We'd have more money to spend on those hard done by immigrants who us hard working people have to pay to have here.
If PC get elected wait to see anyone who earns decent money moving across the border making Wales even poorer. |  | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 15:05 - Feb 17 with 455 views | Luther27 |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 14:02 - Feb 17 by Scotia |
Because in post war Britain there was a massive Labour shortage and demand for Labour saw the UK invite immigration from commonwealth countries. Invite being the important word. We needed them and in many cases still need them. |
Thoroughly agree…but to be fair maybe we are all barking up the wrong tree here because the immigrants you refer to integrated into the country they lived in. Nowadays however….especially since Blair opened the floodgates… that isn’t the case. As many people here point out English is a second tongue….culture and values do not reflect the country these people have turned to for refuge. And there in lies the problem….a lack of respect and morals for our culture…a lack of respect for the society that welcomed them…and finally and most importantly a refusal to integrate into the UK as a whole. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 15:50 - Feb 17 with 423 views | KeithHaynes |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 14:02 - Feb 17 by Scotia |
Because in post war Britain there was a massive Labour shortage and demand for Labour saw the UK invite immigration from commonwealth countries. Invite being the important word. We needed them and in many cases still need them. |
They brought a lot of culture in the late fifties from Jamaica, including original skinheads. |  |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 16:41 - Feb 17 with 404 views | Demitrius |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 15:05 - Feb 17 by Luther27 |
Thoroughly agree…but to be fair maybe we are all barking up the wrong tree here because the immigrants you refer to integrated into the country they lived in. Nowadays however….especially since Blair opened the floodgates… that isn’t the case. As many people here point out English is a second tongue….culture and values do not reflect the country these people have turned to for refuge. And there in lies the problem….a lack of respect and morals for our culture…a lack of respect for the society that welcomed them…and finally and most importantly a refusal to integrate into the UK as a whole. |
I don't know anyone who had a problem with immigration 20-25 years ago myself included. Our cities were a melting pot of different cultures that integrated well.
Today most folk ARE bothered about it as socio-economic priority. It dominates any discussion about current affairs more than the cost of living.
The main problem is the scale of it between now and then - it's not immigration for skills shortages it's an invasion of millions mainly it has to be said by people from Third World Islamic cultures that have no wish to integrate on any level with Western society or its values. The fact that this has been allowed to happen is scandalous and those responsible should face prosecution.
A few years back, after work on a summer's evening, I walked through Southall in West London and down the Grand Union Canal to Hayes. In the past we used to go there to eat authentic cheap curries as it was a predominately Asian area due to an influx of railway workers in the 50s 60s replacing the previous workforce which had a strong Welsh contingent from GWR. It was a Friday afternoon and the busy streets were full of people out and about. There were still a number of Asian shops and clothes stores but what was noticable was that the main demographic was now overwelmingly African Islamic. I walked for 2 miles amonst thousands of people and the only white faces I saw were the clothes store mannekins. Not one.
It might be hard to believe if you haven't experienced it but when people say that Newham, Tower Hamlets in London or Sparkbrook in Birmingham are "like downtown Mogadishu" they are not exaggerating.
Our towns and cities are rapidly changing beyond all recognition and not for the better.
Paralell nations are fast developing and will lead to the Balkanisation of the UK with inevitable consequences, I've been saying it for years unless someone gets a grip of it - it may already be too late.
This is why Sir Jim's words resonated with many. You may well dismiss it as racism but the point he was making is rooted in cold hard facts. |  |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 17:49 - Feb 17 with 363 views | howenjack |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 16:41 - Feb 17 by Demitrius |
I don't know anyone who had a problem with immigration 20-25 years ago myself included. Our cities were a melting pot of different cultures that integrated well.
Today most folk ARE bothered about it as socio-economic priority. It dominates any discussion about current affairs more than the cost of living.
The main problem is the scale of it between now and then - it's not immigration for skills shortages it's an invasion of millions mainly it has to be said by people from Third World Islamic cultures that have no wish to integrate on any level with Western society or its values. The fact that this has been allowed to happen is scandalous and those responsible should face prosecution.
A few years back, after work on a summer's evening, I walked through Southall in West London and down the Grand Union Canal to Hayes. In the past we used to go there to eat authentic cheap curries as it was a predominately Asian area due to an influx of railway workers in the 50s 60s replacing the previous workforce which had a strong Welsh contingent from GWR. It was a Friday afternoon and the busy streets were full of people out and about. There were still a number of Asian shops and clothes stores but what was noticable was that the main demographic was now overwelmingly African Islamic. I walked for 2 miles amonst thousands of people and the only white faces I saw were the clothes store mannekins. Not one.
It might be hard to believe if you haven't experienced it but when people say that Newham, Tower Hamlets in London or Sparkbrook in Birmingham are "like downtown Mogadishu" they are not exaggerating.
Our towns and cities are rapidly changing beyond all recognition and not for the better.
Paralell nations are fast developing and will lead to the Balkanisation of the UK with inevitable consequences, I've been saying it for years unless someone gets a grip of it - it may already be too late.
This is why Sir Jim's words resonated with many. You may well dismiss it as racism but the point he was making is rooted in cold hard facts. |
Jim was probably referring to areas where he has his business dealings when he made his pronouncement because this is where he is most familiar . He is not going to go to meetings in
Cwmrhydicaerau , Cefneithin or Kendall . It's going to be more like London , Manchester Birmingham , the very places that have seen and are seeing vast demographic change. The other thing that a lot of immigrants have brought is crime unfortunately . Sexual offences are going through the roof but also violent crime . The papers are full of incidents like this for instance which would have been unheard of 30 or even 20 years ago,
https://www.birminghammail.co. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 18:41 - Feb 17 with 319 views | onehunglow |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 09:09 - Feb 17 by Scotia |
Sir Jim said "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."
He didn't say Burnley, Bradford or Luton. He said the UK. My eyes are open and he's wrong.
If anything immigrants are under represented in positions of power. Swansea has 75 councillors, just 2 are black. Wales has 60 Senedd members just 2 are members of ethnic minorities. I could walk from my house in north Swansea through the city and down to Mumbles pier (probably 15 miles) I'd walk thorugh one street that comprises a majority of immigrant operated businesses. Just one and I could avoid that.
I've been to Bath, Hereford and Cardiff for weekedn over the past 6 weeks. It's no different ot here.
That isn't colonisation. I'm off to Benidrom this weekend, that could be the biggest example of colonisation in Europe. |
I’ve checked
Burnley Bradford Bradford , hey Leicester and Luton to in the UK so Jim is absolutely right
The shame is on those who forced him to “ apologise”
He will stand by every word
By the way , don’t move to east Leicester unless you speak Farsi and have any daughters face Muslim groups of men | |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 22:24 - Feb 17 with 263 views | AnotherJohn |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 15:50 - Feb 17 by KeithHaynes |
They brought a lot of culture in the late fifties from Jamaica, including original skinheads. |
Text of Louise Bennett-Coverley's poem, "Colonization in Reverse".
Wat a joyful news, miss Mattie,
I feel like me heart gwine burs
Jamaica people colonizin
Englan in reverse.
By de hundred, by de tousan
From country and from town,
By de ship-load, by de plane-load
Jamaica is Englan boun.
Dem a pour out a Jamaica
Everybody future plan
Is fe get a big-time job
An settle in de mother lan.
What a islan! What a people!
Man an woman, old an young
Jus a pack dem bag an baggage
An tun history upside dung!
Some people doan like travel,
But fe show dem loyalty
Dem all a open up cheap-fare-
To-Englan agency.
An week by week dem shippin off
Dem countryman like fire,
Fe immigrate an populate
De seat a de Empire.
Oonoo see how life is funny,
Oonoo see de tunabout?
Jamaica live fe box bread
Out a English people mout’.
For wen dem ketch a Englan,
An start play dem different role,
Some will settle down to work
An some will settle fe de dole.
Jane say de dole is not too bad
Because dey payin she
Two pounds a week fe seek a job
Dat suit her dignity.
Me say Jane will never fine work
At de rate how she dah look,
For all day she stay pon Aunt Fan couch
An read love-story book.
Wat a devilment a Englan!
Dem face war an brave de worse,
But me wonderin how dem gwine stan
Colonizin in reverse.
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TfL recently put up posters featuring this poem. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 01:27 - Feb 18 with 240 views | Robbie |
The Immigration debate and Illegals crossing The Channel at record levels will scare any Politician to make a stand and say enough is enough , it has to stop now .
Conservatives made a token gesture with big words , did they bother in reality or are Bojo and Sunak lying on a beach in The Caribbean laughing at the voters who trusted them .
Starmer came in with even bigger promises , I Will smash the small boat problem asap .
Nice one there mush getting that result , afraid of upsetting the minorities maybe .
Farage and Reform sit back and open the popcorn as Labour try to stop the England upcoming by elections by rules and regulations and waffle again . [Post edited 18 Feb 1:32]
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 08:13 - Feb 18 with 180 views | Scotia |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 15:05 - Feb 17 by Luther27 |
Thoroughly agree…but to be fair maybe we are all barking up the wrong tree here because the immigrants you refer to integrated into the country they lived in. Nowadays however….especially since Blair opened the floodgates… that isn’t the case. As many people here point out English is a second tongue….culture and values do not reflect the country these people have turned to for refuge. And there in lies the problem….a lack of respect and morals for our culture…a lack of respect for the society that welcomed them…and finally and most importantly a refusal to integrate into the UK as a whole. |
Blair (or rather EU legislation) opened the flood gates to other EU citizens that have since gone home, in the main. The problem is the requirement for their labour didn't go home with them. Hence more migration from the developing world, most of whom are here to stay. The demographic is totally different.
Most migrants aren't refugess or asylum seekers, they are either here to work, study or with family. Now, this has seen an increase in numbers but the principal reason for them being here is becasue we need them, we need their labour or money. And they need their families. Asylum seekers are considerably less than 20% of immigrants, so over 80% we need they aren't seeking refuge.
Integration is an interesting one - it goes both ways. The definition is "combining two or more things" . It is not immigrants changing the parts of their culture we don't like to suit us. It's a mutual respect of each others cultures. You seem to mean assimilation, seeing as we need immigrants and are a civilised nation (before we became a bunch of racists) we probably wouldn't attract many if we demanded that and we'd be considerably worse off in probably every way. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 08:17 - Feb 18 with 176 views | Scotia |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 17:49 - Feb 17 by howenjack |
Jim was probably referring to areas where he has his business dealings when he made his pronouncement because this is where he is most familiar . He is not going to go to meetings in
Cwmrhydicaerau , Cefneithin or Kendall . It's going to be more like London , Manchester Birmingham , the very places that have seen and are seeing vast demographic change. The other thing that a lot of immigrants have brought is crime unfortunately . Sexual offences are going through the roof but also violent crime . The papers are full of incidents like this for instance which would have been unheard of 30 or even 20 years ago,
https://www.birminghammail.co. |
Well his businesses are in Grangemouth, County Durham, Hull, Lyndhurst, Norwich, and obviously Manchester. His HQ is in Knightsbridge.
So I think he was just being racist. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:10 - Feb 18 with 133 views | onehunglow |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 08:17 - Feb 18 by Scotia |
Well his businesses are in Grangemouth, County Durham, Hull, Lyndhurst, Norwich, and obviously Manchester. His HQ is in Knightsbridge.
So I think he was just being racist. |
You think that way , others think different | |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:29 - Feb 18 with 126 views | raynor94 |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 14:10 - Feb 17 by Scotia |
I'd have to and that is the one area in which immigration would be evident.
My route would take me through Clase, Treboeth, Brynhyfrhyd, Greenhill, Dyfatty, Orchard Street, Kingsway, St Helens Road, Brynmill, Singleton, Blackpill, West Cross and Mumbles.
I could walk back via Derwen Fawr, Sketty, Townhill, Fforestfach, Gendros and Penlan - it would be exactly the same as the walk down.
Only one of those areas is dominated by immigration. Incidentally there are two areas I wouldn't be happy for Mrs Scotia to walk along on her own. Neither of them is St Helens Road. |
With respect I'd love to know the two areas, I certainly wouldn't as an oap walk along St Helens Road after dark from YMCA to Bryn y Mor road
You mention Greenhill and Dyfatty when was the last time you took a stroll along there |  |
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| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:37 - Feb 18 with 119 views | Whiterockin |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:29 - Feb 18 by raynor94 |
With respect I'd love to know the two areas, I certainly wouldn't as an oap walk along St Helens Road after dark from YMCA to Bryn y Mor road
You mention Greenhill and Dyfatty when was the last time you took a stroll along there |
Griffith John St is a sight to behold. | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:42 - Feb 18 with 115 views | AnotherJohn |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:29 - Feb 18 by raynor94 |
With respect I'd love to know the two areas, I certainly wouldn't as an oap walk along St Helens Road after dark from YMCA to Bryn y Mor road
You mention Greenhill and Dyfatty when was the last time you took a stroll along there |
Just to mention one part of this route, Sketty and Uplands accommodate a lot of international students and it would be unusual not to see a few if walking through the area. Additionally, if you walk past Bishop Gore School at times when pupils arrive or depart or the newish Sketty Mosque at certain times you will see a lot of persons with minority ethnic backgrounds.
https://www.skettymosque.org/ | | | |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:44 - Feb 18 with 113 views | Whiterockin |
| Sir Jim Ratcliffe on 10:42 - Feb 18 by AnotherJohn |
Just to mention one part of this route, Sketty and Uplands accommodate a lot of international students and it would be unusual not to see a few if walking through the area. Additionally, if you walk past Bishop Gore School at times when pupils arrive or depart or the newish Sketty Mosque at certain times you will see a lot of persons with minority ethnic backgrounds.
https://www.skettymosque.org/ |
None so blind as those who don't want to see. | | | |
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