| Thoughts on RM's first week 12:57 - Aug 16 with 2100 views | ChrisStonadge |
Hi Swans! Just wanted to ask what your opinions are on Russell's first three games in charge?
Do you see a clear identity and promise, and what drawbacks do you see?
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 13:06 - Aug 16 with 1728 views | Thornburyswan |
Very, very early days so far - he’s said & done the right things so far but come back on at Xmas & we’ll have a better idea. | | | |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 13:24 - Aug 16 with 1696 views | howenjack |
It took us 78 mins to get our first corner and we were at home.. That tells you where our weknesses are. Goalkeeper seems good .defence ok. Midfield needs more spark and invention .Attack toothless . Early days though | | | |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 14:11 - Aug 16 with 1652 views | GeoffThom |
Early too ask in my opinion, xmas we will really know but what I will say its promising and looks better than cooperball, desperate for a front line though have a few in up front and boom we could fly |  | | |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 14:19 - Aug 16 with 1619 views | Badlands |
The difference he has made in such a short time has been outstanding.
Bar a few parts of. few halves we've been starved of football for two seasons.
It is already clear to see he wants to win games rather than not lose.
For many of the players who were at Swansea before Cooper it must be like having a ball and chain removed.
Some will only look at the league table but many more want to be entertained knowing results will follow. |  |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 15:12 - Aug 16 with 1574 views | Catullus |
The benchmark has been raised, the signs of improvement are there. It'll take a while and a few more new players but the change is obvious and positive.
Come back at Christmas and ask again. | |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 20:52 - Aug 16 with 1368 views | GVJack |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 13:24 - Aug 16 by howenjack |
It took us 78 mins to get our first corner and we were at home.. That tells you where our weknesses are. Goalkeeper seems good .defence ok. Midfield needs more spark and invention .Attack toothless . Early days though |
Think the toothless attack is a bit harsh, maybe their movement hasn't been great but midfield haven't exactly given them clear cut chances either. We need to try more through balls into the channels and get early and direct crosses into. If midfield create the chances and the front players aren't looking hungry to get on the end if them then toothless would be the right adjective. But right now you're correct about the midfield... we need more spark! | | | |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 21:06 - Aug 16 with 1346 views | Dr_Winston |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 20:52 - Aug 16 by GVJack |
Think the toothless attack is a bit harsh, maybe their movement hasn't been great but midfield haven't exactly given them clear cut chances either. We need to try more through balls into the channels and get early and direct crosses into. If midfield create the chances and the front players aren't looking hungry to get on the end if them then toothless would be the right adjective. But right now you're correct about the midfield... we need more spark! |
This.
It's amazing how often people blame the forwards when the midfield is misfiring. On about five or six occasions Saturday there was a chance to play the ball for a forward to get onto, but the pass was so delayed coming out of midfield the openings were missed. |  |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 21:09 - Aug 16 with 1334 views | KeithHaynes |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 21:06 - Aug 16 by Dr_Winston |
This.
It's amazing how often people blame the forwards when the midfield is misfiring. On about five or six occasions Saturday there was a chance to play the ball for a forward to get onto, but the pass was so delayed coming out of midfield the openings were missed. |
And on three occasions I recall Grimes was the issue. |  |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 21:21 - Aug 16 with 1309 views | Oldjack |
I detected Cooper ball creeping in as the game wore on |  |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 21:25 - Aug 16 with 1299 views | Dr_Winston |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 21:09 - Aug 16 by KeithHaynes |
And on three occasions I recall Grimes was the issue. |
I'd have said more. | |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 22:38 - Aug 16 with 1208 views | jack247 |
Yes, there is a clear identity forming.
The unknowns at the moment are
Whether Martin has the ability to imbed it successfully. Martinez did in a similar (ish) situation, but that was in league one in a different era. At that time, with a lot of hard work scouting, we were able to sign SCFC future hall of famers from Terassa for nominal fees and quality like Ferrie Bodde for £50k. Martin won’t be able to do that.
Whether the board back him to the extent he needs to be successful. At the moment, indications are they are having a good go. If we end up moving one or two on for decent money and reinvesting in the team, it’s possible.
What success looks like. Ultimately, the owners just want to get back in the PL. They won’t care how we do it. There does seem to be a genuine desire to do it playing attractive football all of a sudden. I can’t see that happening immediately, it will depend on how much patience they have and how much interest Martin attracts from bigger clubs if he does well.
For all his detractors, I think the Steve Cooper approach is the more likely route to promotion, though I’m certain I’m going to enjoy this season more than the last two. | | | |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 22:46 - Aug 16 with 1194 views | Dr_Parnassus |
It's okay in reality, just ok.
We certainly wont be threatening any play off spot that's for sure, which we almost took for granted under the last regime who played to the players strengths, and a reason we were so hard to beat.
Where as RM seems to want the players to play a system regardless of them being a good fit for the role or not, which leaves a few areas of clear weakness in the side that will be attacked time and time again by opposing managers.
The big concern is them switching to the high press and put our defenders under pressure immediately, Blackburn did that to great effect. It won't be long before that is identified and put into practice, if it hasn't been already.
So very wary of it would be my view. I just don't see how it can be remotely successful with the squad we have. But if we can make it work it will be good. For me that requires a fair few transfers. |  |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 22:54 - Aug 16 with 1179 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 14:19 - Aug 16 by Badlands |
The difference he has made in such a short time has been outstanding.
Bar a few parts of. few halves we've been starved of football for two seasons.
It is already clear to see he wants to win games rather than not lose.
For many of the players who were at Swansea before Cooper it must be like having a ball and chain removed.
Some will only look at the league table but many more want to be entertained knowing results will follow. |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 22:58 - Aug 16 with 1168 views | AndyCole |
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Great question, at the right time.
It depends on one's expectations and standards.
Some will be happy with tapping the ball back and forth in our half, with little purpose nor drive, in a poor imitation of The Swansea Way. And remain in the mediocre middle ground, with little ambition.
Others (c75%) that were looking forward to the last regime continue the exponential trajectory of success towards the wealth and riches of Premier league football, will be currently frustrated with the poor results and regression. Winning is what matters to owners, players and proper fans accustomed to success. And 1 point out of 6 is dismal and unacceptable by our recent high standards.
Stoke at home on a not so wet Tuesday evening could be telling. The North-East corner won't be shy in voicing their discontent.
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:00 - Aug 16 with 1167 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 22:46 - Aug 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
It's okay in reality, just ok.
We certainly wont be threatening any play off spot that's for sure, which we almost took for granted under the last regime who played to the players strengths, and a reason we were so hard to beat.
Where as RM seems to want the players to play a system regardless of them being a good fit for the role or not, which leaves a few areas of clear weakness in the side that will be attacked time and time again by opposing managers.
The big concern is them switching to the high press and put our defenders under pressure immediately, Blackburn did that to great effect. It won't be long before that is identified and put into practice, if it hasn't been already.
So very wary of it would be my view. I just don't see how it can be remotely successful with the squad we have. But if we can make it work it will be good. For me that requires a fair few transfers. |
Took for granted is probably a stretch. It took the ‘miracle of Madjeski’ and Forests ignominious collapse in Coopers first season. I think they needed a point from 3 games to finish above us. Last season was more comfortable, but was far from a formality with a few games left.
I do think, that with the current squad, that type of football is more likely to get us there than Martins. It will just depend how the rest of this window goes. There’s a lot of progress to be made to make us top 6 competitive as it stands. | | | |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:09 - Aug 16 with 1148 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:00 - Aug 16 by jack247 |
Took for granted is probably a stretch. It took the ‘miracle of Madjeski’ and Forests ignominious collapse in Coopers first season. I think they needed a point from 3 games to finish above us. Last season was more comfortable, but was far from a formality with a few games left.
I do think, that with the current squad, that type of football is more likely to get us there than Martins. It will just depend how the rest of this window goes. There’s a lot of progress to be made to make us top 6 competitive as it stands. |
I was more referring to last season really. Many suggested they expected us to be promoted automatically at some points, play-offs was the minimum expected to many and was taken as a given since probably October/November.
I am a firm believer that you play to your players strengths. Because no matter what you achieve by not doing so, there is always a sense that there was more success to be had by doing so. Style over substance is the term. | |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:17 - Aug 16 with 1133 views | AndyCole |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:09 - Aug 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
I was more referring to last season really. Many suggested they expected us to be promoted automatically at some points, play-offs was the minimum expected to many and was taken as a given since probably October/November.
I am a firm believer that you play to your players strengths. Because no matter what you achieve by not doing so, there is always a sense that there was more success to be had by doing so. Style over substance is the term. |
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Which is what was so cleverly pragmatic of Cooper and his team.
They got the very best out of a mid-table ranked squad. Literally sweated the assets to the optimum.
We have excelled at cutting our cloth with aplomb. It now feels we are being unnecessarily naive and regressing. It seems to be about talking the talk.
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:28 - Aug 16 with 1126 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:09 - Aug 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
I was more referring to last season really. Many suggested they expected us to be promoted automatically at some points, play-offs was the minimum expected to many and was taken as a given since probably October/November.
I am a firm believer that you play to your players strengths. Because no matter what you achieve by not doing so, there is always a sense that there was more success to be had by doing so. Style over substance is the term. |
Swansea were last promoted with style over substance. Brendan does not play a big number 9 and bombed out Beattie and Kuqi. These were the cards he was handed. Brendan did not go out of his way to keep Pratley. Both strikers had done OK under Sousa. He changed the hand. In came Sinclair and Borini with Piskin who was big but mobile.
Bennett, Fulton, Smith, and Bidwell' s days may be numbered. Bidwell being linked away comes as something as a surprise. Perhaps we should not have been be surprised. The solid mechanical players might find it difficult to get game time now Cooperball is over. Like Kuqi and Pratley no one could say they did not do a more than decent job for the club. |  |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:37 - Aug 16 with 1114 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:28 - Aug 16 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea were last promoted with style over substance. Brendan does not play a big number 9 and bombed out Beattie and Kuqi. These were the cards he was handed. Brendan did not go out of his way to keep Pratley. Both strikers had done OK under Sousa. He changed the hand. In came Sinclair and Borini with Piskin who was big but mobile.
Bennett, Fulton, Smith, and Bidwell' s days may be numbered. Bidwell being linked away comes as something as a surprise. Perhaps we should not have been be surprised. The solid mechanical players might find it difficult to get game time now Cooperball is over. Like Kuqi and Pratley no one could say they did not do a more than decent job for the club. |
I disagree, with the players at our disposal under Brendan it would be ridiculous to play anything other than the way we did. That is actually a perfect example of what can be achieved by playing to a teams strengths. That was style AND substance, not style over substance.
I don't think anyone is advocating for a ''big'' number 9, just a number 9 that is able to contribute to the midfield link play. Borini used to do a great job of that and he wasn't big by any stretch of the imagination, Danny Graham too was ok at that, Bony phenomenal at it, Michu phenomenal at it, Scotland was good at it etc etc.
It is a vital piece of the tiki taka puzzle. | |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:48 - Aug 16 with 1102 views | builthjack |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 21:09 - Aug 16 by KeithHaynes |
And on three occasions I recall Grimes was the issue. |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:58 - Aug 16 with 1097 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:37 - Aug 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
I disagree, with the players at our disposal under Brendan it would be ridiculous to play anything other than the way we did. That is actually a perfect example of what can be achieved by playing to a teams strengths. That was style AND substance, not style over substance.
I don't think anyone is advocating for a ''big'' number 9, just a number 9 that is able to contribute to the midfield link play. Borini used to do a great job of that and he wasn't big by any stretch of the imagination, Danny Graham too was ok at that, Bony phenomenal at it, Michu phenomenal at it, Scotland was good at it etc etc.
It is a vital piece of the tiki taka puzzle. |
There would be no reason not to give Piroe #9 unless Martin had genuine expectations of bringing someone in. Especially after taking it from Lowe and giving him #10. I can’t see slapping him down for a night out being enough for that.
If we do get someone in, whether they are the type who can hold the ball up and bring runners in to play will have a big bearing on whether the way we look like playing this season has a chance at being successful. Much easier said than done I know, but a Bony or Scotland type, even with less goals could transform this team. | | | |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 00:48 - Aug 17 with 1078 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Agreed, we have been disjointed from midfield to attack for a very long time. Largely because we don't have the type of striker to make the ball stick up there.
Meaning we will become one of those teams that have heaps of possession in our own half but our actual attacks will be short lived through balls as opposed to sustained built pressure in the final 3rd.
To make this successful you need to move the bulk of possession from the defensive 2 thirds to the attacking 2 thirds. As it stands, I don't see how we can do that with the likes of Cullen there.
Piroe has to be given a go. | |
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 01:15 - Aug 17 with 1063 views | AndyCole |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 23:58 - Aug 16 by jack247 |
There would be no reason not to give Piroe #9 unless Martin had genuine expectations of bringing someone in. Especially after taking it from Lowe and giving him #10. I can’t see slapping him down for a night out being enough for that.
If we do get someone in, whether they are the type who can hold the ball up and bring runners in to play will have a big bearing on whether the way we look like playing this season has a chance at being successful. Much easier said than done I know, but a Bony or Scotland type, even with less goals could transform this team. |
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Martin clearly has a big ego. He didn't recruit Piroe. It's a statement of intent. Not his man.
By some accounts he didn't fancy him as he wasn't his man. Piroe's dad is influential from a commercial perspective. Martin initially baulked at this and turned his back on one of our brightest, most influential prospects up top. Martin was egotistical in the extreme.
Doesn't augur well for Martin and his ego.
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| Thoughts on RM's first week on 07:09 - Aug 17 with 985 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 01:15 - Aug 17 by AndyCole |
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Martin clearly has a big ego. He didn't recruit Piroe. It's a statement of intent. Not his man.
By some accounts he didn't fancy him as he wasn't his man. Piroe's dad is influential from a commercial perspective. Martin initially baulked at this and turned his back on one of our brightest, most influential prospects up top. Martin was egotistical in the extreme.
Doesn't augur well for Martin and his ego.
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Nobody really knows what happened, but we heard Piroe wouldn’t be playing at Blackburn the day before. I guess most people, like me, usually find out an hour before kick off.
I can’t see him persisting with Cullen for too long. He wasn’t played to his strength Saturday. It’s one thing if we’re creating a lot of chances, he’ll probably put one away. If we’re not, Piroe is going to bring a lot more to the team.
Hope the #9 shirt gets filled by the end of August though. | | | |
| Thoughts on RM's first week on 09:25 - Aug 17 with 853 views | Fireboy2 |
Alot of really good posts, i agree cullen just doesn't cut the mustard and I'm hoping that even though piroe isn't a martin signing that he will use him as he has the attributes to be the no 9 who can be that link between midfield and attack.
There is also a chance martin has his eye on another attacker with no 9 shirt being kept spare. |  | | |
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