| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour 11:22 - Oct 27 with 6750 views | KeithHaynes |
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Swansea City wishes to remind supporters that it has a zero-tolerance approach to anti-social behaviour on our official coaches for away matches.
The club has seen a rise in incidents since the start of the season, with supporters coming forward to raise complaints relating to behaviour, discriminatory chanting and abuse of those supplying the service.
This behaviour affects the enjoyment for many other supporters using the service and, whilst the club has issued several warnings and bans, we will continue to work with the Supporters’ Trust on these matters.
The club is working with Turners — our official coach travel service — to now provide stadium personnel and stewards on our coaches for the next three away games, starting with Saturday’s trip to Bristol City.
Every adult travelling on these coaches must have a form of ID on them and be able to show a valid match ticket if requested.
If behaviour on these services fails to improve and incidents continue to occur then Turners have already informed the club that they would have no hesitation in ceasing the service, which would have a detrimental impact for a lot of our supporters and, in turn, affect the numbers of supporters who travel away.
The support given to Russell Martin, his staff and the players this season has been nothing short of incredible, and the club recognises and thanks the vast majority of supporters to continue to impeccably represent our football club and community home and away.
The club wants to ensure that everyone who travels via the coach service has an enjoyable experience and gives the team the backing they deserve.
But anti-social behaviour will not be tolerated.
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 12:10 - Oct 27 with 2842 views | builthjack |
They need to behave or face not being able to get to away games. The minority will spoil it for the majority.
There also seems to be a culture amongst some of the young ones, to buy beer at half time at a fiver a go, sip it, and chuck it in the air. What the f is wrong with them. |  |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 12:14 - Oct 27 with 2837 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 12:10 - Oct 27 by builthjack |
They need to behave or face not being able to get to away games. The minority will spoil it for the majority.
There also seems to be a culture amongst some of the young ones, to buy beer at half time at a fiver a go, sip it, and chuck it in the air. What the f is wrong with them. |
The 🛎ends are obviously on too much money or their parents don't take enough off them for board. |  | | |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 15:14 - Oct 27 with 2660 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
I would like to point out that targeting any particular race or ethnic group for pornographic animal slurs even in jest is considered "aggravated racial disorderly conduct". In the case of Welsh football perhaps 80% see it a joke or pretend to find it amusing. This gives a free pass to racists.
There are however 20% who see more sinister motives and see it as deeply offensive. I am in that group.
If English and Welsh can engage in this filth why are Bulgarians and Hungarians banned for doing the same thing. It is a culture of creating a shock so filthy that you a either laugh or cry. In a late night drinking den with a blue comedian after a few bevies is one thing. It is quite another in the family stand in daylight at a club promoting ZERO tolerance.
Because Welsh is a recognised ethnic group such filth can be classed a racial abuse. |  |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 16:19 - Oct 27 with 2626 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 15:14 - Oct 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I would like to point out that targeting any particular race or ethnic group for pornographic animal slurs even in jest is considered "aggravated racial disorderly conduct". In the case of Welsh football perhaps 80% see it a joke or pretend to find it amusing. This gives a free pass to racists.
There are however 20% who see more sinister motives and see it as deeply offensive. I am in that group.
If English and Welsh can engage in this filth why are Bulgarians and Hungarians banned for doing the same thing. It is a culture of creating a shock so filthy that you a either laugh or cry. In a late night drinking den with a blue comedian after a few bevies is one thing. It is quite another in the family stand in daylight at a club promoting ZERO tolerance.
Because Welsh is a recognised ethnic group such filth can be classed a racial abuse. |
But sheep are bloody gorgeous and no man is an island. |  |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 16:32 - Oct 27 with 2602 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 16:19 - Oct 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
But sheep are bloody gorgeous and no man is an island. |
Think you 've rattled his cage.#
He's a proud Welshman for sure and as we know all Welsh are without impurities. |  |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 18:05 - Oct 27 with 2492 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 16:19 - Oct 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
But sheep are bloody gorgeous and no man is an island. |
Tell that to Welsh sporting hero Gerwyn Price and his family. Brought to tears by drunk racists tolerated by Skysports (who turned the volume down not to cause offense) . I get the smell of cowardice from Narbeth. | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 18:33 - Oct 27 with 2463 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 15:14 - Oct 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I would like to point out that targeting any particular race or ethnic group for pornographic animal slurs even in jest is considered "aggravated racial disorderly conduct". In the case of Welsh football perhaps 80% see it a joke or pretend to find it amusing. This gives a free pass to racists.
There are however 20% who see more sinister motives and see it as deeply offensive. I am in that group.
If English and Welsh can engage in this filth why are Bulgarians and Hungarians banned for doing the same thing. It is a culture of creating a shock so filthy that you a either laugh or cry. In a late night drinking den with a blue comedian after a few bevies is one thing. It is quite another in the family stand in daylight at a club promoting ZERO tolerance.
Because Welsh is a recognised ethnic group such filth can be classed a racial abuse. |
Does that mean it’s racist when the home fans sing those songs?
What if you’re nationality is Welsh but you’re ethnicity isn’t Welsh? Is it racist then?
Who decides if you’re ethnicity is Welsh or not? It can’t be country of birth as that’s your nationality isn’t it? | | | |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 19:13 - Oct 27 with 2411 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 18:33 - Oct 27 by Gwyn737 |
Does that mean it’s racist when the home fans sing those songs?
What if you’re nationality is Welsh but you’re ethnicity isn’t Welsh? Is it racist then?
Who decides if you’re ethnicity is Welsh or not? It can’t be country of birth as that’s your nationality isn’t it? |
Yes engaging in racist filth is racist. The club says it is for zero tolerance. Is it racist to sing seriously derogatory things about ethnic groups in Europe.
For example Kurds or Albanians or Arabs? I say it is. What about Welsh? same rules apply. We live in a rules based society. The rules are the same for everyone.
"But all Welsh people are not offended right so it is different from our history". Wrong I am offended and so are many others. The fact that 80% brush it off or laugh is not relevant. 20% at least find it offensive much more outside the football bubble.
This is a philosophical issue for people with brains not giggling morons encouraging their offspring to engage in racist banter in the children's section.
I am Welsh born to Welsh speaking parents in Resolven. My nationality is British but I am ethnically Welsh. I do not take kindly to be insulted.
If English racists call me a Welsh deviant I tell them they are racist twits. I do not giggle and agree with them.
Swansea city now have a problem. They have to stop the chanting the south Wales constabulary and people like me regard as discriminatory. If the sheep stuff is tolerated they should b not use the ZERO word. The option is to go back to the old ways and get out the bananas and monkey chants. Nobody wants that. It is an evolution.
There may be a place for this stuff. Boozey comedy nights in clubs where issues of racisms are examined through humour. Not at a family football club. | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 19:23 - Oct 27 with 2421 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 19:13 - Oct 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Yes engaging in racist filth is racist. The club says it is for zero tolerance. Is it racist to sing seriously derogatory things about ethnic groups in Europe.
For example Kurds or Albanians or Arabs? I say it is. What about Welsh? same rules apply. We live in a rules based society. The rules are the same for everyone.
"But all Welsh people are not offended right so it is different from our history". Wrong I am offended and so are many others. The fact that 80% brush it off or laugh is not relevant. 20% at least find it offensive much more outside the football bubble.
This is a philosophical issue for people with brains not giggling morons encouraging their offspring to engage in racist banter in the children's section.
I am Welsh born to Welsh speaking parents in Resolven. My nationality is British but I am ethnically Welsh. I do not take kindly to be insulted.
If English racists call me a Welsh deviant I tell them they are racist twits. I do not giggle and agree with them.
Swansea city now have a problem. They have to stop the chanting the south Wales constabulary and people like me regard as discriminatory. If the sheep stuff is tolerated they should b not use the ZERO word. The option is to go back to the old ways and get out the bananas and monkey chants. Nobody wants that. It is an evolution.
There may be a place for this stuff. Boozey comedy nights in clubs where issues of racisms are examined through humour. Not at a family football club. |
Those songs have been sung by us at every swans game I’ve ever been to. If SWP are so concerned with this hate crime, how many arrests have been made?
How does the fact you were born in Wales to Welsh speaking parents make you ‘ethnicly’ Welsh? That’s not how it works.
What did you put on the last census (seeing as the choice was Welsh British).
How do I know if my ethnic group is Welsh? | | | |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 22:28 - Oct 27 with 2247 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 19:23 - Oct 27 by Gwyn737 |
Those songs have been sung by us at every swans game I’ve ever been to. If SWP are so concerned with this hate crime, how many arrests have been made?
How does the fact you were born in Wales to Welsh speaking parents make you ‘ethnicly’ Welsh? That’s not how it works.
What did you put on the last census (seeing as the choice was Welsh British).
How do I know if my ethnic group is Welsh? |
Welsh is an ethnic group with its own flag, own anthem and own religion and own language. It has it own sporting bodies. What more do you want?
So that proves the Welsh are an ethnic group. Singing and chanting lewd and wholly untrue porno abuse against ethnic groups is illegal under UK law. THe SWP have convicted English individuals of "aggravated racial disorder conduct" when faced directly with it. I can copy several instances of this.
The world is changing and now Swansea city claims it has a 'zero tolerance' to racial abuse. I therefore expect them to take action on sheep themed racial slurs as they would monkey themed abuse.
a) Welsh are an ethnic group
b) sheep slurs focused on Welsh people are illegal use UK race laws .
c) Swansea city has zero tolerance to racial slurs.
You can join the dots up yourself. It is going to take time but 'people of colour' put up with it for decades. It may take a banning order or two to get the message across. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 22:29]
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 23:10 - Oct 27 with 2237 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 22:28 - Oct 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Welsh is an ethnic group with its own flag, own anthem and own religion and own language. It has it own sporting bodies. What more do you want?
So that proves the Welsh are an ethnic group. Singing and chanting lewd and wholly untrue porno abuse against ethnic groups is illegal under UK law. THe SWP have convicted English individuals of "aggravated racial disorder conduct" when faced directly with it. I can copy several instances of this.
The world is changing and now Swansea city claims it has a 'zero tolerance' to racial abuse. I therefore expect them to take action on sheep themed racial slurs as they would monkey themed abuse.
a) Welsh are an ethnic group
b) sheep slurs focused on Welsh people are illegal use UK race laws .
c) Swansea city has zero tolerance to racial slurs.
You can join the dots up yourself. It is going to take time but 'people of colour' put up with it for decades. It may take a banning order or two to get the message across. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 22:29]
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Nothing in your first paragraph has anything to do with ethnicity.
If someone is Asian born in Wales, Welsh speaking, Church of Wales attending, and capped at international level for Wales are they ethnically Welsh?
I’ve no idea what a flag has to do with it 🤷ðŸ».
Have the SWP only convicted English people of aggravated racial disorder conduct? Seems a bit unfair. | | | |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 23:39 - Oct 27 with 2192 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 23:10 - Oct 27 by Gwyn737 |
Nothing in your first paragraph has anything to do with ethnicity.
If someone is Asian born in Wales, Welsh speaking, Church of Wales attending, and capped at international level for Wales are they ethnically Welsh?
I’ve no idea what a flag has to do with it 🤷ðŸ».
Have the SWP only convicted English people of aggravated racial disorder conduct? Seems a bit unfair. |
Definition of ethnicity
Ethnicity refers to shared cultural characteristics such as language, ancestry, practices, and beliefs.
Language Yes Welsh
Ancestry Yes Red hair and freckles are common.Higher than average R1B gene.
Practices Yes Rugby, Male voice choirs, singing Eisteddfod, largely rural.
Beliefs Yes Church of Wales is independent of England as are Chapels (in decline)
That is sorted.
Abuse of ethnic minorities with ethnic slurs is illegal. Swansea and Welsh football fans are not brave enough to call it out for what it is. "owning it" condones it. The club however has zero tolerance. No one will be owning it at the Swansea.com stadium for much longer. Zero is zero
It will not be the first time the club ownership and fans have clashed. Last time the dumb fans were humiliated and separated from £400k by the English legal elite. Duh.
Gerwyn Price now there is a Welshman with cahones. | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 23:44 - Oct 27 with 2189 views | Dr_Parnassus |
It is odd how discriminatory remarks made against Welsh people, men, Romany gypsies, English and also white people in general is seen as perfectly fine by society.
It’s something society is completely contradicted over.
I’m not offended in the slightest of course if someone called me a “sheep interferer” but you would undoubtedly be called racist if there was an Korean on the pitch and you referenced dog meat or something of that crass nature.
I think I’ve heard more racism towards white people in the last 2 years than I have heard against all other races combined, and it’s accepted every single time.
Any of these comments against men or white people, add “woman” and “A.N Other race” in and it would be seen as the very worst of racism and misogyny with people falling over themselves to condemn it.
If people want to stamp out racism (as rare as it is), then they do need to stop making exceptions and allowing some races and genders to be discriminated against.
Case in point:-
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 08:15 - Oct 28 with 2037 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 23:39 - Oct 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Definition of ethnicity
Ethnicity refers to shared cultural characteristics such as language, ancestry, practices, and beliefs.
Language Yes Welsh
Ancestry Yes Red hair and freckles are common.Higher than average R1B gene.
Practices Yes Rugby, Male voice choirs, singing Eisteddfod, largely rural.
Beliefs Yes Church of Wales is independent of England as are Chapels (in decline)
That is sorted.
Abuse of ethnic minorities with ethnic slurs is illegal. Swansea and Welsh football fans are not brave enough to call it out for what it is. "owning it" condones it. The club however has zero tolerance. No one will be owning it at the Swansea.com stadium for much longer. Zero is zero
It will not be the first time the club ownership and fans have clashed. Last time the dumb fans were humiliated and separated from £400k by the English legal elite. Duh.
Gerwyn Price now there is a Welshman with cahones. |
So….
Can an Asian person be Welsh? | | | |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 08:42 - Oct 28 with 2019 views | KeithHaynes |
People need to realise that for generally accepted behaviour in the high street or at home or anywhere these days meets with little sanction. Do it at the football and it’s potentially jail.
Punch someone in McDonald’s on a Friday night and sometimes it goes now where. Do it at the football and a million cameras will make sure you don’t go for three years and you get a criminal record. These are mainly young people starting out in life, they will have plenty of time to repent at their leisure. | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 09:10 - Oct 28 with 1999 views | STID2017 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 08:15 - Oct 28 by Gwyn737 |
So….
Can an Asian person be Welsh? |
Also what about those of us born of one parent from Wales and another from Ireland or another country ( such as Ireland) ?
As you say Gwyn, this question opens a whole new can of worms |  |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 09:54 - Oct 28 with 1976 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 09:10 - Oct 28 by STID2017 |
Also what about those of us born of one parent from Wales and another from Ireland or another country ( such as Ireland) ?
As you say Gwyn, this question opens a whole new can of worms |
I think it’s a bit sinister tbh.
I’ve said on here before, you can definitely make a case around xenophobia but not race.
None of my questions have been answered because it’s impossible.
I can trace my family back to about 1850 and it’s all incredibly boring - all born and stayed within a 10 mile radias of Swansea. But by Resolven’s reckoning, we’re not ethnically Welsh 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸
It’s because I’m a proud Welshman I’m pushing against it. | | | |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 10:00 - Oct 28 with 1956 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 09:54 - Oct 28 by Gwyn737 |
I think it’s a bit sinister tbh.
I’ve said on here before, you can definitely make a case around xenophobia but not race.
None of my questions have been answered because it’s impossible.
I can trace my family back to about 1850 and it’s all incredibly boring - all born and stayed within a 10 mile radias of Swansea. But by Resolven’s reckoning, we’re not ethnically Welsh 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸
It’s because I’m a proud Welshman I’m pushing against it. |
But it would definitely be called racist if someone was abusing an Indian player.
Take the furore around Dhanda for example, I’m sure that was labelled as racist yet wasn’t it to do with his Indian heritage?
That’s the thing, if we make a stance against that kind of stuff then it can’t be allowed against anyone, otherwise it just looks hypocritical. | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 10:04 - Oct 28 with 1963 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 23:39 - Oct 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Definition of ethnicity
Ethnicity refers to shared cultural characteristics such as language, ancestry, practices, and beliefs.
Language Yes Welsh
Ancestry Yes Red hair and freckles are common.Higher than average R1B gene.
Practices Yes Rugby, Male voice choirs, singing Eisteddfod, largely rural.
Beliefs Yes Church of Wales is independent of England as are Chapels (in decline)
That is sorted.
Abuse of ethnic minorities with ethnic slurs is illegal. Swansea and Welsh football fans are not brave enough to call it out for what it is. "owning it" condones it. The club however has zero tolerance. No one will be owning it at the Swansea.com stadium for much longer. Zero is zero
It will not be the first time the club ownership and fans have clashed. Last time the dumb fans were humiliated and separated from £400k by the English legal elite. Duh.
Gerwyn Price now there is a Welshman with cahones. |
Cahones
Lost in translation there
Gerwyn Price a positive role model then for Wales | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 10:53 - Oct 28 with 1916 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 18:05 - Oct 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Tell that to Welsh sporting hero Gerwyn Price and his family. Brought to tears by drunk racists tolerated by Skysports (who turned the volume down not to cause offense) . I get the smell of cowardice from Narbeth. |
Tell him sheep are gorgeous? He already knows surely. | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 13:00 - Oct 28 with 1819 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 10:53 - Oct 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Tell him sheep are gorgeous? He already knows surely. |
Former rugby hard man too | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 13:27 - Oct 28 with 1790 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 23:39 - Oct 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Definition of ethnicity
Ethnicity refers to shared cultural characteristics such as language, ancestry, practices, and beliefs.
Language Yes Welsh
Ancestry Yes Red hair and freckles are common.Higher than average R1B gene.
Practices Yes Rugby, Male voice choirs, singing Eisteddfod, largely rural.
Beliefs Yes Church of Wales is independent of England as are Chapels (in decline)
That is sorted.
Abuse of ethnic minorities with ethnic slurs is illegal. Swansea and Welsh football fans are not brave enough to call it out for what it is. "owning it" condones it. The club however has zero tolerance. No one will be owning it at the Swansea.com stadium for much longer. Zero is zero
It will not be the first time the club ownership and fans have clashed. Last time the dumb fans were humiliated and separated from £400k by the English legal elite. Duh.
Gerwyn Price now there is a Welshman with cahones. |
The Red haired people you are describing are Gaelic/Gallic.
Brythonic tribes had dark hair.
So you’re ethnically Irish are you? |  |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 13:36 - Oct 28 with 1770 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 13:27 - Oct 28 by Brynmill_Jack |
The Red haired people you are describing are Gaelic/Gallic.
Brythonic tribes had dark hair.
So you’re ethnically Irish are you? |
Based on the description provided of ‘welshness’ I’m wondering who the last Swans player to be ethnically Welsh was? | | | |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 14:02 - Oct 28 with 1741 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 13:36 - Oct 28 by Gwyn737 |
Based on the description provided of ‘welshness’ I’m wondering who the last Swans player to be ethnically Welsh was? |
Probably Clucas. | |
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| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 14:14 - Oct 28 with 1730 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City warn the fans again on behaviour on 14:02 - Oct 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Probably Clucas. |
Brilliant 🤣 | | | |
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