| By-election results 06:18 - Jul 21 with 2559 views | Whiterockin |
Labour win one
Lib Dems win one
Conservatives hold one
So who is it a good result for? |  | | |  |
| By-election results on 07:13 - Jul 21 with 2079 views | majorraglan |
I’d say it’s a good result for Labour and the Lib Dems because of that kind of swing was repeated at a GE tomorrow the Conservatives would get a kicking. The Uxbridge campaign was fought primarily on 1 issue which is ULEZ, the Conservatives did their home work and have given Khan a bloody nose. Unless Khan is thick as mince, with less than 10 months to the next London Mayor election he needs to look at the policy or he’ll get a kicking from the voters. I wouldn’t mind betting that Starmer and the power brokers will now get involved and we’ll see ULEZ take more of a back seat. |  | | |
| By-election results on 07:40 - Jul 21 with 2063 views | Gwyn737 |
| By-election results on 07:13 - Jul 21 by majorraglan |
I’d say it’s a good result for Labour and the Lib Dems because of that kind of swing was repeated at a GE tomorrow the Conservatives would get a kicking. The Uxbridge campaign was fought primarily on 1 issue which is ULEZ, the Conservatives did their home work and have given Khan a bloody nose. Unless Khan is thick as mince, with less than 10 months to the next London Mayor election he needs to look at the policy or he’ll get a kicking from the voters. I wouldn’t mind betting that Starmer and the power brokers will now get involved and we’ll see ULEZ take more of a back seat. |
I think that’s pretty much spot on.
I think there is a slight warning for Starmer that continuing to play so safe up to the election could be a risk.
I appreciate the economy is in bits but I’d like to see Labour hang their hat on at least one policy change (given the choice I’d have them reverse the two child benefit cap).
For me the best thing to come out of last night was hate-peddler Laurence Fox losing his deposit. Well done Uxbridge voters 👏 | | | |
| By-election results on 08:27 - Jul 21 with 2048 views | majorraglan |
| By-election results on 07:40 - Jul 21 by Gwyn737 |
I think that’s pretty much spot on.
I think there is a slight warning for Starmer that continuing to play so safe up to the election could be a risk.
I appreciate the economy is in bits but I’d like to see Labour hang their hat on at least one policy change (given the choice I’d have them reverse the two child benefit cap).
For me the best thing to come out of last night was hate-peddler Laurence Fox losing his deposit. Well done Uxbridge voters 👏 |
I think you are right about Fox, I don’t like the cut of his jib.
Can’t say I agree with your comment in relation to the 2 child limit on child benefit, it’s been in place a while and people who have had more than 2 kids since it’s introduction knew the score in advance.
During my time I’ve seen plenty of people having kids just to being able to access benefits and I think setting limits to what we’ll pay out is fair. I accept that some families are struggling and would welcome additional funding to prevent kids going hungry etc. To support families we could look at breakfast clubs, free school meals and providing those children in need with a packed meal to take home after school. I’m more than happy to commit resources to support those in need, but would want to ensure the kids get it and that the money isn’t spent on fags and booze. | | | |
| By-election results on 10:06 - Jul 21 with 2021 views | Whiterockin |
My observations speaking as someone with no party allegiance and has voted for all the parties at one time or another over my 50 plus years of voting/non voting.
Conservatives are where they are and we all know they will be well beaten in the next general election and were lucky to hold a seat last night. It's just a case of damage limitation between now and then. I don't think the majority of floating voters dislike Sunak so there is no issue there and they are probably hoping for lower inflation to help them next year. Nearly 18 months is a long time in politics.
Labour would have expected to have done better last night they actually had a 10% drop in votes in Somerton and Frome. Outside the party faithful Starmer is not as popular as the members think. They really need to get their policies out there soon if the want to maintain the momentum they had. Yes they will have the majority of seats at the next general election but it won't be the landslide people were expecting a year ago.
Lib Dems had a good result last night but they have a history of doing well in the West Country. I think in the General election they will pick up a massive amount of protest votes from people who voted Conservative last time but will not vote Labour. But to do this they really need to lift their profile, if you asked 100 people in the street the majority would not be able to name their party leader.
So to sum up. In the next General election, Labour most seats, Conservative second, Lib Dems third. No overall majority hung parliament. | | | |
| By-election results on 10:15 - Jul 21 with 2018 views | onehunglow |
| By-election results on 10:06 - Jul 21 by Whiterockin |
My observations speaking as someone with no party allegiance and has voted for all the parties at one time or another over my 50 plus years of voting/non voting.
Conservatives are where they are and we all know they will be well beaten in the next general election and were lucky to hold a seat last night. It's just a case of damage limitation between now and then. I don't think the majority of floating voters dislike Sunak so there is no issue there and they are probably hoping for lower inflation to help them next year. Nearly 18 months is a long time in politics.
Labour would have expected to have done better last night they actually had a 10% drop in votes in Somerton and Frome. Outside the party faithful Starmer is not as popular as the members think. They really need to get their policies out there soon if the want to maintain the momentum they had. Yes they will have the majority of seats at the next general election but it won't be the landslide people were expecting a year ago.
Lib Dems had a good result last night but they have a history of doing well in the West Country. I think in the General election they will pick up a massive amount of protest votes from people who voted Conservative last time but will not vote Labour. But to do this they really need to lift their profile, if you asked 100 people in the street the majority would not be able to name their party leader.
So to sum up. In the next General election, Labour most seats, Conservative second, Lib Dems third. No overall majority hung parliament. |
I predict Labour wins with a majority and five years later things are just about the same.
As for the Tories,there are the most pitiful ,least self aware jerks I can remember .
They are dying on the vine and they cannot see it.
Wale# will vote Labour in the main whatever | |
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| By-election results on 10:28 - Jul 21 with 2001 views | controversial_jack |
I didn't realise Ullez was that unpopular. I'm a Labour voter, but I don't like it at all. I think and hope voters are waking up to the climate change con | | | |
| By-election results on 11:24 - Jul 21 with 1983 views | majorraglan |
| By-election results on 10:28 - Jul 21 by controversial_jack |
I didn't realise Ullez was that unpopular. I'm a Labour voter, but I don't like it at all. I think and hope voters are waking up to the climate change con |
The ULEZ is more than climate change, it’s also meant to address things like vehicle pollution which impacted on the residents health and well-being and allegedly increases the risk of early death etc. Petrol cars which are up to around 15 to 17 years old are ok and not effected, it generally tends to impact on diesel engines which are over 7 years old and not Euro 6 compliant. Given that it’s going to impact on older cars, it’s more likely to affect those who are less well off and don’t have the cash to splash out on a new motor. I appreciate my last statement is a bit of a generalisation, but the people with dosh generally tend to have newer cars. | | | |
| By-election results on 12:12 - Jul 21 with 1958 views | Gwyn737 |
| By-election results on 08:27 - Jul 21 by majorraglan |
I think you are right about Fox, I don’t like the cut of his jib.
Can’t say I agree with your comment in relation to the 2 child limit on child benefit, it’s been in place a while and people who have had more than 2 kids since it’s introduction knew the score in advance.
During my time I’ve seen plenty of people having kids just to being able to access benefits and I think setting limits to what we’ll pay out is fair. I accept that some families are struggling and would welcome additional funding to prevent kids going hungry etc. To support families we could look at breakfast clubs, free school meals and providing those children in need with a packed meal to take home after school. I’m more than happy to commit resources to support those in need, but would want to ensure the kids get it and that the money isn’t spent on fags and booze. |
Respectfully disagree.
Those who have multiple children for the benefits will access from different pots. Those who really get hit by the cap are the squeezed middle.
Child benefit is really neatly targeted unlike many other benefits (unlike universal free school meals). It also with its relativly generous cap gives middle income families who get nothing else some skin in the tax game.
We've also got a declining population so I'm not sure capping birthrate in this way is particularly helpful, partiularly as the jobs market needs workers.
Sadly there'll always be some who work the system but that's the price you pay for any welfare state. | | | |
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| By-election results on 12:15 - Jul 21 with 1957 views | Flashberryjack |
| By-election results on 10:06 - Jul 21 by Whiterockin |
My observations speaking as someone with no party allegiance and has voted for all the parties at one time or another over my 50 plus years of voting/non voting.
Conservatives are where they are and we all know they will be well beaten in the next general election and were lucky to hold a seat last night. It's just a case of damage limitation between now and then. I don't think the majority of floating voters dislike Sunak so there is no issue there and they are probably hoping for lower inflation to help them next year. Nearly 18 months is a long time in politics.
Labour would have expected to have done better last night they actually had a 10% drop in votes in Somerton and Frome. Outside the party faithful Starmer is not as popular as the members think. They really need to get their policies out there soon if the want to maintain the momentum they had. Yes they will have the majority of seats at the next general election but it won't be the landslide people were expecting a year ago.
Lib Dems had a good result last night but they have a history of doing well in the West Country. I think in the General election they will pick up a massive amount of protest votes from people who voted Conservative last time but will not vote Labour. But to do this they really need to lift their profile, if you asked 100 people in the street the majority would not be able to name their party leader.
So to sum up. In the next General election, Labour most seats, Conservative second, Lib Dems third. No overall majority hung parliament. |
A hung parliament is the last thing this country needs IMO.
If and when Labour win the next election I hope they have a good majority, so they can push through their policies (if they have any), but when things go tits up they'll just blame the last conservative government for everything (bit like Drakeford does). |  |
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| By-election results on 13:32 - Jul 21 with 1904 views | controversial_jack |
| By-election results on 11:24 - Jul 21 by majorraglan |
The ULEZ is more than climate change, it’s also meant to address things like vehicle pollution which impacted on the residents health and well-being and allegedly increases the risk of early death etc. Petrol cars which are up to around 15 to 17 years old are ok and not effected, it generally tends to impact on diesel engines which are over 7 years old and not Euro 6 compliant. Given that it’s going to impact on older cars, it’s more likely to affect those who are less well off and don’t have the cash to splash out on a new motor. I appreciate my last statement is a bit of a generalisation, but the people with dosh generally tend to have newer cars. |
I have an older diesel, which passes it's emission test yearly. I'm not going to upgrade it because of the cost and it's still running well.Incidentally, we are no longer in the EU,. Diesel engines in many way are less harmful, as diesel doesn't contain benzene which is carcinogenic. I'm not sure how older cars can be deemed a health risk if they pass the emission tests, This will be a vote loser for any party that implements this | | | |
| By-election results on 14:03 - Jul 21 with 1890 views | Gwyn737 |
| By-election results on 10:28 - Jul 21 by controversial_jack |
I didn't realise Ullez was that unpopular. I'm a Labour voter, but I don't like it at all. I think and hope voters are waking up to the climate change con |
It's ideological, not political (or indeed scientific).
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| By-election results on 14:34 - Jul 21 with 1863 views | majorraglan |
| By-election results on 13:32 - Jul 21 by controversial_jack |
I have an older diesel, which passes it's emission test yearly. I'm not going to upgrade it because of the cost and it's still running well.Incidentally, we are no longer in the EU,. Diesel engines in many way are less harmful, as diesel doesn't contain benzene which is carcinogenic. I'm not sure how older cars can be deemed a health risk if they pass the emission tests, This will be a vote loser for any party that implements this |
You would if you lived near to and had to use the car to visit a ULEZ. Emissions tests are graded according to the age of the car, older cars have more generous allowances.
We’ve got 2 diesels, one is 14 years old with 53000 on the clock and runs like a dream but it isn’t Euro6 compliant, the other one is much newer and is. Taking the older car in to Bristol, Birmingham or any other place where there’s a ULEZ is going to cost me. People who have camper vans/motor homes are in the same boat - if they want to venture to Bristol it’s a mare. | | | |
| By-election results on 15:12 - Jul 21 with 1834 views | controversial_jack |
| By-election results on 14:34 - Jul 21 by majorraglan |
You would if you lived near to and had to use the car to visit a ULEZ. Emissions tests are graded according to the age of the car, older cars have more generous allowances.
We’ve got 2 diesels, one is 14 years old with 53000 on the clock and runs like a dream but it isn’t Euro6 compliant, the other one is much newer and is. Taking the older car in to Bristol, Birmingham or any other place where there’s a ULEZ is going to cost me. People who have camper vans/motor homes are in the same boat - if they want to venture to Bristol it’s a mare. |
The zone in Bristol takes into the route to Bristol airport. There's only one reason for that and it's revenue gathering [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 15:13]
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| By-election results on 17:09 - Jul 21 with 1790 views | Togg |
| By-election results on 15:12 - Jul 21 by controversial_jack |
The zone in Bristol takes into the route to Bristol airport. There's only one reason for that and it's revenue gathering [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 15:13]
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I'm diesel to. Next holiday we need to stay in Bristol as we have an early flight. Will not be staying into the centre as it will cost me £18. Will be venturing a little further south to book our accommodation. Went through all the quaint villages last time to avoid the clean air tax | | | |
| By-election results on 17:56 - Jul 21 with 1767 views | ItchySphincter |
Labour took a seat that they’ve never held with a candidate who’s barely in his mid-twenties. And people think that Labour should have done better?! |  |
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| By-election results on 19:17 - Jul 21 with 1738 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| By-election results on 17:56 - Jul 21 by ItchySphincter |
Labour took a seat that they’ve never held with a candidate who’s barely in his mid-twenties. And people think that Labour should have done better?! |
Of course they should have. The incumbents resigned in disgrace. The sitting government is pretty much as low as it’s ever been they are in absolute free fall with the country in the worst state for decades.
Labour are hoping to coast in without having to do anything or offer any viable alternative. They are hoping to win an election on the sheer fact that they aren’t the tories. If they had really attacked this they would have won all three seats comfortably. The tories are on their arse and nobody is taking advantage. |  |
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| By-election results on 19:21 - Jul 21 with 1729 views | Whiterockin |
| By-election results on 19:17 - Jul 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Of course they should have. The incumbents resigned in disgrace. The sitting government is pretty much as low as it’s ever been they are in absolute free fall with the country in the worst state for decades.
Labour are hoping to coast in without having to do anything or offer any viable alternative. They are hoping to win an election on the sheer fact that they aren’t the tories. If they had really attacked this they would have won all three seats comfortably. The tories are on their arse and nobody is taking advantage. |
That is a fair point. I would like to see some aggressive policies by Labour on how the plan to improve things. | | | |
| By-election results on 19:37 - Jul 21 with 1716 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| By-election results on 19:21 - Jul 21 by Whiterockin |
That is a fair point. I would like to see some aggressive policies by Labour on how the plan to improve things. |
Any policy would be welcome. There’s only two reasons a party wouldn’t be shouting their policies from the roof top:
1) They can’t agree on any.
B) They know they’ll be unpopular policies. | |
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| By-election results on 19:50 - Jul 21 with 1709 views | max936 |
Lib-Dems lesser than the two evils, looks like being the thought process in those results. |  |
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| By-election results on 19:52 - Jul 21 with 1704 views | max936 |
| By-election results on 07:40 - Jul 21 by Gwyn737 |
I think that’s pretty much spot on.
I think there is a slight warning for Starmer that continuing to play so safe up to the election could be a risk.
I appreciate the economy is in bits but I’d like to see Labour hang their hat on at least one policy change (given the choice I’d have them reverse the two child benefit cap).
For me the best thing to come out of last night was hate-peddler Laurence Fox losing his deposit. Well done Uxbridge voters 👏 |
Starmer is a Wet Lettuce, I've said it since he become leader of the Labour party. | |
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| By-election results on 21:37 - Jul 21 with 1672 views | majorraglan |
| By-election results on 19:37 - Jul 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Any policy would be welcome. There’s only two reasons a party wouldn’t be shouting their policies from the roof top:
1) They can’t agree on any.
B) They know they’ll be unpopular policies. |
Or the Conservatives will take them as they’ve done before, I’d keep my powder dry and let the tortes rip themselves apart. [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 21:37]
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| By-election results on 21:39 - Jul 21 with 1657 views | ItchySphincter |
| By-election results on 19:17 - Jul 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Of course they should have. The incumbents resigned in disgrace. The sitting government is pretty much as low as it’s ever been they are in absolute free fall with the country in the worst state for decades.
Labour are hoping to coast in without having to do anything or offer any viable alternative. They are hoping to win an election on the sheer fact that they aren’t the tories. If they had really attacked this they would have won all three seats comfortably. The tories are on their arse and nobody is taking advantage. |
Labour and Lib Dem’s contested one each. These things happen in politics all the time. | |
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| By-election results on 13:43 - Jul 22 with 1549 views | Fireboy2 |
| By-election results on 21:37 - Jul 21 by majorraglan |
Or the Conservatives will take them as they’ve done before, I’d keep my powder dry and let the tortes rip themselves apart. [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 21:37]
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This^
There is no way that kier will set out policies now, he is going to wait until the election has been announced, he will have a great big long list of the sh!te that tories have inflicted on the country to remind us what an absolute shower of uncaring lot the are.
Trouble is most media outlets won't print them so labour will have to box clever to get this out to the country. |  | | |
| By-election results on 13:47 - Jul 22 with 1545 views | controversial_jack |
| By-election results on 13:43 - Jul 22 by Fireboy2 |
This^
There is no way that kier will set out policies now, he is going to wait until the election has been announced, he will have a great big long list of the sh!te that tories have inflicted on the country to remind us what an absolute shower of uncaring lot the are.
Trouble is most media outlets won't print them so labour will have to box clever to get this out to the country. |
Starmer is biding his time. He's waiting for the Cons to be on the ropes - which won't be long | | | |
| By-election results on 14:13 - Jul 22 with 1535 views | Kilkennyjack |
| By-election results on 19:52 - Jul 21 by max936 |
Starmer is a Wet Lettuce, I've said it since he become leader of the Labour party. |
I have to agree.
He needs to up his game. |  |
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