| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI 13:03 - Sep 29 with 6032 views | onehunglow |
Sense at last.
Court of Appeal upholds the decision not to prosecute soldiers for "bloody Sunday".
God only knows how those soldiers have suffered under this cloud for almost 50 years.
A filthy ,dirty war where they were hung out to dry by a succession of British Governments.
That day is of course now folklore in Londonderry and the IRA supporters are of course livid with the decision.
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 13:46 - Sep 29 with 1489 views | Professor |
Time to put all this in the past. Prosecution would open up a lot of old wounds and division. | | | |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:04 - Sep 29 with 1485 views | onehunglow |
Absolutely Paul but this is never going to go away a it will be passed down the generation.The Irish seem to love the Rebel in us.
I will say the way we treated the Irish was appalling but no worse than the Portuguese,Spanish,French and not forgetting our friendly dope head Dutch chums,all of whom butchered their colonial.Ive omitted the Belgian as they deserve a thread on its own for savagery,rape and blundering of assets. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:35 - Sep 29 with 1472 views | Professor |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:04 - Sep 29 by onehunglow |
Absolutely Paul but this is never going to go away a it will be passed down the generation.The Irish seem to love the Rebel in us.
I will say the way we treated the Irish was appalling but no worse than the Portuguese,Spanish,French and not forgetting our friendly dope head Dutch chums,all of whom butchered their colonial.Ive omitted the Belgian as they deserve a thread on its own for savagery,rape and blundering of assets. |
The reconciliation model in SA has worked fairly well. Not perfect but better than hoped | | | |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:32 - Sep 29 with 1449 views | theloneranger |
"Soldier F" is still being prosecuted over the alleged murders of James Wray and William McKinney and the attempted murders of Joseph Friel, Michael Quinn, Joe Mahon and Patrick O'Donnell !! |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:46 - Sep 29 with 1443 views | onehunglow |
and that stinks of political machinations.
Sadly,although the Good Friday agreement saw an "end" to the troubles,many terrorit on both ides were released too early.
Those responsible for killing Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry remain at large as do thoe for the Omagh bombings. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 21:10 - Sep 29 with 1400 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:32 - Sep 29 by theloneranger |
"Soldier F" is still being prosecuted over the alleged murders of James Wray and William McKinney and the attempted murders of Joseph Friel, Michael Quinn, Joe Mahon and Patrick O'Donnell !! |
They should try him before a jury who will find him not guilty in 10 minutes .
This is nothing but a whitch hunt and show trial to appease our terrorists enemies. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 21:30 - Sep 29 with 1387 views | KeithHaynes |
Applying todays enlightened beliefs to 40 years ago just wont work. |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 21:38 - Sep 29 with 1373 views | controversial_jack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 21:30 - Sep 29 by KeithHaynes |
Applying todays enlightened beliefs to 40 years ago just wont work. |
There was still the rule of law 40 years ago. there were also rules of engagement | | | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 22:08 - Sep 29 with 1363 views | KeithHaynes |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 21:38 - Sep 29 by controversial_jack |
There was still the rule of law 40 years ago. there were also rules of engagement |
green card NI. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 22:13 - Sep 29 with 1358 views | NotLoyal |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 22:08 - Sep 29 by KeithHaynes |
green card NI. |
Wasting your time mate, if you haven't been there you just have an unqualified view. |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 23:59 - Sep 29 with 1329 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 22:13 - Sep 29 by NotLoyal |
Wasting your time mate, if you haven't been there you just have an unqualified view. |
The question for the uk to answer is - was it a war ?
Currently the uk position is ....
The soldiers were clearly in a war situation and so the law of the land cannot be applied
However ... that would also mean recognising the right of IRA prisoners to be treated as soldiers, and so its also NOT a war situation. The laws of the land must indeed be applied, they are not PoWs.
The uk is still trying to have it both ways. |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 00:03 - Sep 30 with 1328 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 21:10 - Sep 29 by felixstowe_jack |
They should try him before a jury who will find him not guilty in 10 minutes .
This is nothing but a whitch hunt and show trial to appease our terrorists enemies. |
Its a witch hunt.
And the jury would look at the evidence presented.
A guilty verdict is very possible. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 00:07 - Sep 30 with 1327 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:46 - Sep 29 by onehunglow |
and that stinks of political machinations.
Sadly,although the Good Friday agreement saw an "end" to the troubles,many terrorit on both ides were released too early.
Those responsible for killing Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry remain at large as do thoe for the Omagh bombings. |
Without prisoner releases there would have been no peace.
You offer no solution just more and more killings, a failed approach - and thank god for the GFA.
2 decades of peace.
Statesmanship from those involved on all sides. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 08:07 - Sep 30 with 1283 views | Dr_Winston |
Soldiers should only be prosecuted when every IRA murderer released early returns to jail to finish off their sentences.
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:37 - Sep 30 with 1265 views | onehunglow |
War.Was it a war.
Well,yeah, people armed attacking others armed | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:40 - Sep 30 with 1264 views | Catullus |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 22:13 - Sep 29 by NotLoyal |
Wasting your time mate, if you haven't been there you just have an unqualified view. |
I have a mate who did 3 tours of NI with the Paras. He told me some stuff which is enough to make me think these veterans deserve to be free of the whole thing.
It's easy to judge without knowing but when a mate tells you in no uncertain terms the things done just to survive, well who am I to judge and I probably would have done such things too.
It was a war just not a conventional war, a war against terrorism is never conventional so conventional rules don't apply. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:54 - Sep 30 with 1260 views | onehunglow |
Morning Cat.
I had a section that had a recruit from the Bogside ,a catholic who came here to get wed and join the British army.
He served in NI and really what he said was incredible but what was striking was when we went for a post shift drink he always had his back to the wall and always checked who was in the pub.He never ever relaxed.
And yeah,the filthy war,where Republicans used women and children to lure young and the more gullible British soldiers.
They were sent in to protect the very people that turned on them.
And the UDA/UVF just as bad. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:28 - Oct 1 with 1196 views | felixstowe_jack |
Interestingly 74 MPs voted against stopping vexatious prosecutions of British Soldiers.
17 Labour including Corbyn Abbott and macdonnell
45 SNP
2 plaid cymru
7 Liberals
5 indepdent
Just makes you wonder who Labours big three support maybe terrorism. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:00 - Oct 1 with 1188 views | onehunglow |
No surprise there,considering Jezza and Johnny Mac supported the IRA and Abbot simply hates Police/Army/this country.
Nationalists will stick together
Liberals just want love where it doesnt exist | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:06 - Oct 1 with 1183 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 23:59 - Sep 29 by Kilkennyjack |
The question for the uk to answer is - was it a war ?
Currently the uk position is ....
The soldiers were clearly in a war situation and so the law of the land cannot be applied
However ... that would also mean recognising the right of IRA prisoners to be treated as soldiers, and so its also NOT a war situation. The laws of the land must indeed be applied, they are not PoWs.
The uk is still trying to have it both ways. |
Indeed that is the position the English nationalists find themselves in. |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:12 - Oct 1 with 1171 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:54 - Sep 30 by onehunglow |
Morning Cat.
I had a section that had a recruit from the Bogside ,a catholic who came here to get wed and join the British army.
He served in NI and really what he said was incredible but what was striking was when we went for a post shift drink he always had his back to the wall and always checked who was in the pub.He never ever relaxed.
And yeah,the filthy war,where Republicans used women and children to lure young and the more gullible British soldiers.
They were sent in to protect the very people that turned on them.
And the UDA/UVF just as bad. |
Bogside Catholic joins the British army and then English police you say, that's a rare one.
I knew someone as a child that was as nice a boy as anyone could possibly meet, that was a general consensus not just a personal view and he went to Ireland as a young man due to family circumstances and I heard that he was on the other side to you, the side of the home team shall we say. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:13 - Oct 1 with 1171 views | onehunglow |
IRA were soldiers.They said as much .They didnt want to be classed as criminals-which they were.They wanted to be treated different in prison.
Maybe they and their supporters should have had the guts to take being shot and killed when things go bad.
No prosecutions for Omagh ,Manchester and Warrington is what really upsets me. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:21 - Oct 1 with 1165 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:13 - Oct 1 by onehunglow |
IRA were soldiers.They said as much .They didnt want to be classed as criminals-which they were.They wanted to be treated different in prison.
Maybe they and their supporters should have had the guts to take being shot and killed when things go bad.
No prosecutions for Omagh ,Manchester and Warrington is what really upsets me. |
Give over the were terrorist they were never soldiers. Can you tell me which country they were soldiers of? Did that country declare war.
They were common criminals and were treated as such on both sides of the border. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:26 - Oct 1 with 1158 views | onehunglow |
Felix .Read what I said again.
Thanks.
You'll see I refered to them seeing themselves as soldiers. It was also a little sarcasm aimed at trampie.
If they wanted to be seen as soldiers then then should have died as soldiers in battle .
They were cowards in the pure sense of the word. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:31 - Oct 1 with 1156 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:21 - Oct 1 by felixstowe_jack |
Give over the were terrorist they were never soldiers. Can you tell me which country they were soldiers of? Did that country declare war.
They were common criminals and were treated as such on both sides of the border. |
That line of thinking then ties in with our soldiers been accused of killing civilians, often UK civilians who sometimes were unarmed.
Then we have collusion, internment without trial and even what some say was torture and state executions.
The state can't have it both ways, from the states position it either was a war which leaves a little leeway for the soldiers or it was not a war and that leaves the soldiers more open to being left out to dry by their employers. | |
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