| Junior Doctors strike 08:49 - Aug 11 with 5454 views | raynor94 |
Just watching breakfast TV, and they showed a junior doctor's pay slip.
After 6 years of training he's on £14 an hour £2100 a month take home, truly shocking.
No wonder there are so many moving to Australia and NZ. |  |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 09:30 - Aug 11 with 3359 views | Whiterockin |
The whole pay structure of junior doctors needs to be reviewed as does the hours and workload. This is another way to look at the payscale.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea
On another issue NHS pension is 9.8% of salary, I believe Police pay 11% and Fire about 12%, please correct me if I'm wrong. People shout think seriously about these figures before they criticise the size of their pensions. |  | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:40 - Aug 11 with 3346 views | Gwyn737 |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:30 - Aug 11 by Whiterockin |
The whole pay structure of junior doctors needs to be reviewed as does the hours and workload. This is another way to look at the payscale.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea
On another issue NHS pension is 9.8% of salary, I believe Police pay 11% and Fire about 12%, please correct me if I'm wrong. People shout think seriously about these figures before they criticise the size of their pensions. |
Teacher pension contributions range between 8.6% and 11.7% depending on pay point. Full pension available after 46 years of service (although this has relatively recently changed from 44 years).
Yet some still believe there are gold plated public service pensions available after 30 years. |  | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:41 - Aug 11 with 3345 views | Gwyn737 |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:30 - Aug 11 by Whiterockin |
The whole pay structure of junior doctors needs to be reviewed as does the hours and workload. This is another way to look at the payscale.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea
On another issue NHS pension is 9.8% of salary, I believe Police pay 11% and Fire about 12%, please correct me if I'm wrong. People shout think seriously about these figures before they criticise the size of their pensions. |
They really need to change the title ‘junior doctor’.
Makes people think of young inexperienced doctors which is not the case. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:01 - Aug 11 with 3332 views | controversial_jack |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:40 - Aug 11 by Gwyn737 |
Teacher pension contributions range between 8.6% and 11.7% depending on pay point. Full pension available after 46 years of service (although this has relatively recently changed from 44 years).
Yet some still believe there are gold plated public service pensions available after 30 years. |
Most pensions in the private sector are worse, especially after they stopped the final salary pension | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:07 - Aug 11 with 3334 views | Fireboy2 |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:30 - Aug 11 by Whiterockin |
The whole pay structure of junior doctors needs to be reviewed as does the hours and workload. This is another way to look at the payscale.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea
On another issue NHS pension is 9.8% of salary, I believe Police pay 11% and Fire about 12%, please correct me if I'm wrong. People shout think seriously about these figures before they criticise the size of their pensions. |
I pay 13.9 % and if I retire earlier than 60 I lose a certain percentage.
If I retire early I will have to get a full time job to make ends meet, I want to go to 60 and I think I will but working the shifts I work and the job I do it will lower my life expectancy, which this government will love as I won't get as much old aged pension.
People still think that public service pensions are gold plated, I can tell you they are not.
Imo this government want the junior doctors to leave as they ultimately want the NHS to be private. |  | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:14 - Aug 11 with 3321 views | Boundy |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:07 - Aug 11 by Fireboy2 |
I pay 13.9 % and if I retire earlier than 60 I lose a certain percentage.
If I retire early I will have to get a full time job to make ends meet, I want to go to 60 and I think I will but working the shifts I work and the job I do it will lower my life expectancy, which this government will love as I won't get as much old aged pension.
People still think that public service pensions are gold plated, I can tell you they are not.
Imo this government want the junior doctors to leave as they ultimately want the NHS to be private. |
Serious question but do you think you could continue doing your job in your late 50's let alone after 60 ? | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:15 - Aug 11 with 3324 views | Whiterockin |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:07 - Aug 11 by Fireboy2 |
I pay 13.9 % and if I retire earlier than 60 I lose a certain percentage.
If I retire early I will have to get a full time job to make ends meet, I want to go to 60 and I think I will but working the shifts I work and the job I do it will lower my life expectancy, which this government will love as I won't get as much old aged pension.
People still think that public service pensions are gold plated, I can tell you they are not.
Imo this government want the junior doctors to leave as they ultimately want the NHS to be private. |
Apologies to anyone where I got the percentages wrong. But I believe the point I was making was fair, that public service pensions are not a gimme, they are paid for over years. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:27 - Aug 11 with 3293 views | union_jack |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:41 - Aug 11 by Gwyn737 |
They really need to change the title ‘junior doctor’.
Makes people think of young inexperienced doctors which is not the case. |
Yes, it relates to all pay grades below Consultant level. Bit of a misnomer really. |  |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:56 - Aug 11 with 3276 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:15 - Aug 11 by Whiterockin |
Apologies to anyone where I got the percentages wrong. But I believe the point I was making was fair, that public service pensions are not a gimme, they are paid for over years. |
Contributed to rather than paid for, if you look at the investment needed if you were to find a similar scheme yourself taking into consideration indexation, retirement age, dependents terms etc. They are a remarkably good deal.
I spent five years in the public sector and calculated my pension benefit to be worth about 40 percent of my salary principally because of the early retirement age and full indexation of benefits. My private sector pensions are not so generous and my self employed pension is costing me a fortune in contributions by comparison. [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 11:19]
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| Junior Doctors strike on 11:26 - Aug 11 with 3249 views | Gwyn737 |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:56 - Aug 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Contributed to rather than paid for, if you look at the investment needed if you were to find a similar scheme yourself taking into consideration indexation, retirement age, dependents terms etc. They are a remarkably good deal.
I spent five years in the public sector and calculated my pension benefit to be worth about 40 percent of my salary principally because of the early retirement age and full indexation of benefits. My private sector pensions are not so generous and my self employed pension is costing me a fortune in contributions by comparison. [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 11:19]
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I've mentioned this before -public sector pensions are too back loaded.
They need to look at moving some of the end of career benefits into pay. This would help with retention. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 12:08 - Aug 11 with 3230 views | majorraglan |
The salary for new starters is £23k and new recruits are expected to pay 12.44% and work until they’re 60which I think I’d a big ask. Pension scales in the police are 13.44% for officers earning £27k through to £60k then they go up again.
The NHS pension scales range from 5.1% for people earning less than £13k and then there’s a sliding scale all the way up to people on over £72k who pay 13.5%.
Down our way, plumbers are charging £25+ per hour, and while they’ve gone to college they’ve not got a degree and 5 years in med school behind them. They’re probably doing cash in had jobs too!
There’s some very highly qualified and clever people in the NHS who, fortunately for us motivated by things like helping people and contributing to society because they could make better money elsewhere and then we’d be in a pickle. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 12:11 - Aug 11 with 3224 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Junior Doctors strike on 11:26 - Aug 11 by Gwyn737 |
I've mentioned this before -public sector pensions are too back loaded.
They need to look at moving some of the end of career benefits into pay. This would help with retention. |
Unfortunately we have comparatively low pension provision in this country and an ageing population so I'd guess the OAP will get means tested and public sector pensions eroded in order to support those with little pension provision.
Successive governments have made this mess over the last 50 years with Gordon Brown possibly the biggest culprit for his policies that made private sector pensions unattractive for employers when he should have been preparing for an ageing population by making pension provision compulsory. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 13:03 - Aug 11 with 3192 views | Fireboy2 |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:14 - Aug 11 by Boundy |
Serious question but do you think you could continue doing your job in your late 50's let alone after 60 ? |
No [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 13:36]
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| Junior Doctors strike on 13:34 - Aug 11 with 3160 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:07 - Aug 11 by Fireboy2 |
I pay 13.9 % and if I retire earlier than 60 I lose a certain percentage.
If I retire early I will have to get a full time job to make ends meet, I want to go to 60 and I think I will but working the shifts I work and the job I do it will lower my life expectancy, which this government will love as I won't get as much old aged pension.
People still think that public service pensions are gold plated, I can tell you they are not.
Imo this government want the junior doctors to leave as they ultimately want the NHS to be private. |
The only publc sector pensions that are gold plated are very senior management and politicians, are they still on final salary too? Just checked and final salary is being stopped this year. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 14:41 - Aug 11 with 3128 views | controversial_jack |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:27 - Aug 11 by union_jack |
Yes, it relates to all pay grades below Consultant level. Bit of a misnomer really. |
A registrar is the step between junior doc and consultant | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 16:54 - Aug 11 with 3071 views | union_jack |
| Junior Doctors strike on 14:41 - Aug 11 by controversial_jack |
A registrar is the step between junior doc and consultant |
In this case, junior doctor refers to all those under consultant level. I believe you’ll find registrars on strike today. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 17:50 - Aug 11 with 3046 views | controversial_jack |
| Junior Doctors strike on 16:54 - Aug 11 by union_jack |
In this case, junior doctor refers to all those under consultant level. I believe you’ll find registrars on strike today. |
oh ok, didn't realise that. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 19:02 - Aug 11 with 3022 views | onehunglow |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:14 - Aug 11 by Boundy |
Serious question but do you think you could continue doing your job in your late 50's let alone after 60 ? |
Just as is the case with police officers | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 19:24 - Aug 11 with 3005 views | Gwyn737 |
BBC news just reporting that the cost of covering the strikes so far now exceeds the cost of the pay rise originally asked for. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 20:14 - Aug 11 with 2984 views | majorraglan |
| Junior Doctors strike on 12:11 - Aug 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Unfortunately we have comparatively low pension provision in this country and an ageing population so I'd guess the OAP will get means tested and public sector pensions eroded in order to support those with little pension provision.
Successive governments have made this mess over the last 50 years with Gordon Brown possibly the biggest culprit for his policies that made private sector pensions unattractive for employers when he should have been preparing for an ageing population by making pension provision compulsory. |
There’ll be ructions if they axe the state pensions, I think any government that moves down that route will face an outcry and find themselves unelectable for many years. I’ve retired but am not currently old enough to get my state pension. If I lost my state pension after paying in for many many years I’d be furious.
Gordon Brown is culpable, but numerous governments have had the chance to overturn his changes and none of them have. The whole system is wrong. Look are care homes. My mate’s father has worked hard all his life right up until his late 70’s, he’s been frugal and wanted to pass his modest savings and house to his kids. His health has began to fail and he’s now in a home which he’s paying for. Some of the other patients have hardly worked, spent their cash down the pub and in bingo and now get their fees paid. Something is seriously wrong with our systems. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 20:17 - Aug 11 with 2975 views | majorraglan |
| Junior Doctors strike on 19:24 - Aug 11 by Gwyn737 |
BBC news just reporting that the cost of covering the strikes so far now exceeds the cost of the pay rise originally asked for. |
Was always going to be the case, the agency fees paid for cover would probably have covered the pay rise for the doctors. I’m maying all doctors get the below, but a couple of grand isn’t wide of the mark.
https://www.theguardian.com/so [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 20:20]
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| Junior Doctors strike on 22:19 - Aug 11 with 2933 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Junior Doctors strike on 20:14 - Aug 11 by majorraglan |
There’ll be ructions if they axe the state pensions, I think any government that moves down that route will face an outcry and find themselves unelectable for many years. I’ve retired but am not currently old enough to get my state pension. If I lost my state pension after paying in for many many years I’d be furious.
Gordon Brown is culpable, but numerous governments have had the chance to overturn his changes and none of them have. The whole system is wrong. Look are care homes. My mate’s father has worked hard all his life right up until his late 70’s, he’s been frugal and wanted to pass his modest savings and house to his kids. His health has began to fail and he’s now in a home which he’s paying for. Some of the other patients have hardly worked, spent their cash down the pub and in bingo and now get their fees paid. Something is seriously wrong with our systems. |
My father was similarly minded, ran his own business and always said the welfare state was for those who could not help themselves. His care costs were over £650K by the time he died, he paid all the care costs himself from money he had already paid a load of tax on.
As you say successive governments have ignored long term issues for decades, now the proverbial is hitting the fan. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 08:02 - Aug 12 with 2856 views | controversial_jack |
| Junior Doctors strike on 20:14 - Aug 11 by majorraglan |
There’ll be ructions if they axe the state pensions, I think any government that moves down that route will face an outcry and find themselves unelectable for many years. I’ve retired but am not currently old enough to get my state pension. If I lost my state pension after paying in for many many years I’d be furious.
Gordon Brown is culpable, but numerous governments have had the chance to overturn his changes and none of them have. The whole system is wrong. Look are care homes. My mate’s father has worked hard all his life right up until his late 70’s, he’s been frugal and wanted to pass his modest savings and house to his kids. His health has began to fail and he’s now in a home which he’s paying for. Some of the other patients have hardly worked, spent their cash down the pub and in bingo and now get their fees paid. Something is seriously wrong with our systems. |
The state pension is no big deal. I paid in for 44 years, and after tax and private pension clawing back it's leveling up, i'm £400 a month better off | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:04 - Aug 12 with 2838 views | Togg |
| Junior Doctors strike on 20:14 - Aug 11 by majorraglan |
There’ll be ructions if they axe the state pensions, I think any government that moves down that route will face an outcry and find themselves unelectable for many years. I’ve retired but am not currently old enough to get my state pension. If I lost my state pension after paying in for many many years I’d be furious.
Gordon Brown is culpable, but numerous governments have had the chance to overturn his changes and none of them have. The whole system is wrong. Look are care homes. My mate’s father has worked hard all his life right up until his late 70’s, he’s been frugal and wanted to pass his modest savings and house to his kids. His health has began to fail and he’s now in a home which he’s paying for. Some of the other patients have hardly worked, spent their cash down the pub and in bingo and now get their fees paid. Something is seriously wrong with our systems. |
Absolutely agree | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:47 - Aug 12 with 2829 views | onehunglow |
| Junior Doctors strike on 08:02 - Aug 12 by controversial_jack |
The state pension is no big deal. I paid in for 44 years, and after tax and private pension clawing back it's leveling up, i'm £400 a month better off |
Agreed
State pension is a disgraceful pittance,modern day alms money given to those who often hardly paid buggervall whilst others did.
Dichotomy alright .
We wouldn’t pay Scandinavian tax rates for full social care no matter what anyone says . | |
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