| To sell or not to sell 14:01 - Aug 13 with 6481 views | shandyjack |
As much as i'd like Vipotnik to stay i also have the nagging feeling that he could be a one season wonder and maybe we should cash in while he's at his highest value.
Would you cash in now if it meant we could get in a CH,CM and maybe another CF? |  |
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| To sell or not to sell on 14:05 - Aug 13 with 5079 views | Whiterockin |
If someone paid exactly what the club value him yes, if not no. If he stays I really think we could be top eight this season. |  | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 14:09 - Aug 13 with 5081 views | OptimisticJack |
He could also become a striker at the top level.
Look again at some of the goals he scored last season.
We as supporters should be inflating his value not devaluing.
Swans fans are good that.
No wonder teams try to take us to the cleaners in the transfer market. [Post edited 13 Aug 14:09]
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| To sell or not to sell on 14:36 - Aug 13 with 4979 views | shandyjack |
| To sell or not to sell on 14:09 - Aug 13 by OptimisticJack |
He could also become a striker at the top level.
Look again at some of the goals he scored last season.
We as supporters should be inflating his value not devaluing.
Swans fans are good that.
No wonder teams try to take us to the cleaners in the transfer market. [Post edited 13 Aug 14:09]
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he could, i personally don't think he's quick enough or clever enough in his movement to succeed at the top table. He'd be another Piroe for me. However for £18/20m i think we should let him go and get in a CH and C who can push us on and we have 2 good strikers that could share the load and possibly get another in on loan (Dare i say we attempt an audacious loan bid for Piroe) | |
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| To sell or not to sell on 15:28 - Aug 13 with 4863 views | GVJack |
He's proven he can score goals in the championship. I don't think a move to a struggling Premier League team will do much for his development (will do wonders for his bank balance though).
I'd like to think he can go up with us, and see how he fairs in a settled team.
It's worth noting he's the current championship top scorer, and he didn't start many of the opening games under Sheehan. If he gets get his match fitness up to speed this year I think he can go in and match or even better last goals tally, especially with the (hopefully) improved attacking players we've just brought in. He'll hopefully have even more chances.
On the flip side, he's likely going to be more of a marked man this season with teams now fearing and knowing more about him, that however should give the players around him more space and opportunity.
To answer the OP question - if a buying club stumps up his value (£20mil +add-ons) then I think we'll sell with already Idah and Stewart waiting in the wings. But the move probably has to appeal to VIP too (no point going to Hull IMO) | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 18:31 - Aug 13 with 4642 views | EagleEye |
| To sell or not to sell on 14:36 - Aug 13 by shandyjack |
he could, i personally don't think he's quick enough or clever enough in his movement to succeed at the top table. He'd be another Piroe for me. However for £18/20m i think we should let him go and get in a CH and C who can push us on and we have 2 good strikers that could share the load and possibly get another in on loan (Dare i say we attempt an audacious loan bid for Piroe) |
Think if we got the same deal as we did for Piroe £12m + add-ons we’d be doing pretty well. Not forgetting that Piroe had 2 x 20 goal seasons for us. He lacks pace for sure but has a great right foot. Wouldn’t be disappointed to see him stay but suspect he has reached his ceiling. Hope I’m wrong. |  | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 19:07 - Aug 13 with 4603 views | ncswan |
| To sell or not to sell on 15:28 - Aug 13 by GVJack |
He's proven he can score goals in the championship. I don't think a move to a struggling Premier League team will do much for his development (will do wonders for his bank balance though).
I'd like to think he can go up with us, and see how he fairs in a settled team.
It's worth noting he's the current championship top scorer, and he didn't start many of the opening games under Sheehan. If he gets get his match fitness up to speed this year I think he can go in and match or even better last goals tally, especially with the (hopefully) improved attacking players we've just brought in. He'll hopefully have even more chances.
On the flip side, he's likely going to be more of a marked man this season with teams now fearing and knowing more about him, that however should give the players around him more space and opportunity.
To answer the OP question - if a buying club stumps up his value (£20mil +add-ons) then I think we'll sell with already Idah and Stewart waiting in the wings. But the move probably has to appeal to VIP too (no point going to Hull IMO) |
I agree wholeheartedly with all of your points. I would also add that the owners might lose some respect from Swans fans if they let Vip go for Piroe-like money. Vip has a lot of upside potential due to his age, character, and the type and quality of a striker he is. | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 19:31 - Aug 13 with 4562 views | Dr_Winston |
A player is only worth what another club is prepared to pay for him. We might put a £20m+ valuation on Vipi, but if nobody else offers more than £12m for him, then that's what he's worth.
The question then becomes whether ownership values what he brings to the team more than they do £12m, and based on what we've seen thus far you'd have to conclude that they do. |  |
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| To sell or not to sell on 04:37 - Aug 14 with 4340 views | Swans9 |
We need him in the championship goals are vital. How many times in the past did we say we played well and lost. It's to late in the window to sell now to get a young striker in with the same potential as Zan the man. | | | |
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| To sell or not to sell on 08:44 - Aug 14 with 4202 views | pencoedjack |
| To sell or not to sell on 14:36 - Aug 13 by shandyjack |
he could, i personally don't think he's quick enough or clever enough in his movement to succeed at the top table. He'd be another Piroe for me. However for £18/20m i think we should let him go and get in a CH and C who can push us on and we have 2 good strikers that could share the load and possibly get another in on loan (Dare i say we attempt an audacious loan bid for Piroe) |
I said the same on another thread.
Personally (& I hope I am proven wrong) Idah is garbage, if we rely on him to score this season we will be struggling.
If any deal could be done to get Piroe that would be awesome business, I fear his wages at Leeds would scupper that though. |  | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 09:03 - Aug 14 with 4168 views | onehunglow |
| To sell or not to sell on 08:44 - Aug 14 by pencoedjack |
I said the same on another thread.
Personally (& I hope I am proven wrong) Idah is garbage, if we rely on him to score this season we will be struggling.
If any deal could be done to get Piroe that would be awesome business, I fear his wages at Leeds would scupper that though. |
Morning
Not sure about that
He has a nice touch
Issue is finishing
This is key | |
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| To sell or not to sell on 09:53 - Aug 14 with 4116 views | pencoedjack |
| To sell or not to sell on 09:03 - Aug 14 by onehunglow |
Morning
Not sure about that
He has a nice touch
Issue is finishing
This is key |
He's a striker so I class that as an issue.
As I said hope I'm proven wrong, if he scores 15 goals Ill happily give £50 to Keith's charity. | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 10:17 - Aug 14 with 4087 views | union_jack |
| To sell or not to sell on 08:44 - Aug 14 by pencoedjack |
I said the same on another thread.
Personally (& I hope I am proven wrong) Idah is garbage, if we rely on him to score this season we will be struggling.
If any deal could be done to get Piroe that would be awesome business, I fear his wages at Leeds would scupper that though. |
Bringing Piroe back would almost be on par as bringing Biny back.
When he was here, he was in the up, playing to impress better teams and to play in the PL. coming back here would be a backward step for him and with the best will in the world he won’t perform to the same standard.
I remember saying exactly the same thing when Bony was being talked about rejoining. It was never going to end well and it didn’t.
We need more unknown players looking to get to the top level and use us to impress. Hopefully, they can do that and go with us but if not we sell them on. But don’t expect them to repeat it years later. |  |
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| To sell or not to sell on 10:29 - Aug 14 with 4072 views | shandyjack |
| To sell or not to sell on 10:17 - Aug 14 by union_jack |
Bringing Piroe back would almost be on par as bringing Biny back.
When he was here, he was in the up, playing to impress better teams and to play in the PL. coming back here would be a backward step for him and with the best will in the world he won’t perform to the same standard.
I remember saying exactly the same thing when Bony was being talked about rejoining. It was never going to end well and it didn’t.
We need more unknown players looking to get to the top level and use us to impress. Hopefully, they can do that and go with us but if not we sell them on. But don’t expect them to repeat it years later. |
2 completely different scenarios though
Piroe is still young and will be hungry to show he still has the ability to perform at this level, limited injuries behind him
Bony was a broken shell of a body and was being held together by duct tape and was in the tale end of his career | |
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| To sell or not to sell on 10:37 - Aug 14 with 4061 views | KeithHaynes |
| To sell or not to sell on 10:29 - Aug 14 by shandyjack |
2 completely different scenarios though
Piroe is still young and will be hungry to show he still has the ability to perform at this level, limited injuries behind him
Bony was a broken shell of a body and was being held together by duct tape and was in the tale end of his career |
With a son who looked the same age as him ! |  |
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| To sell or not to sell on 10:41 - Aug 14 with 4047 views | union_jack |
| To sell or not to sell on 10:29 - Aug 14 by shandyjack |
2 completely different scenarios though
Piroe is still young and will be hungry to show he still has the ability to perform at this level, limited injuries behind him
Bony was a broken shell of a body and was being held together by duct tape and was in the tale end of his career |
In that respect different but I can almost guarantee the outcome. Fans’ expectations will outweigh performance which will cause a downward spiral in his game. There’s a reason the adage ‘never go back’ exists. Personally, I hope we don’t take that chance and I don’t think we will even if the opportunity were to arise. | |
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| To sell or not to sell on 11:20 - Aug 14 with 4005 views | wwcigne |
As was said in the Forum ,we don’t need to sell ,obviously if we get a mega offer that might change
But We need Zan’s goals,it’s as simple as that
Proven championship goal scorers cost a lot of money that’s why every club is looking for one
Keep him if we can | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 11:38 - Aug 14 with 3987 views | Whiterockin |
| To sell or not to sell on 11:20 - Aug 14 by wwcigne |
As was said in the Forum ,we don’t need to sell ,obviously if we get a mega offer that might change
But We need Zan’s goals,it’s as simple as that
Proven championship goal scorers cost a lot of money that’s why every club is looking for one
Keep him if we can |
Totally agree, if we get top dollar sell otherwise keep. | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 13:50 - Aug 14 with 3871 views | GVJack |
| To sell or not to sell on 11:38 - Aug 14 by Whiterockin |
Totally agree, if we get top dollar sell otherwise keep. |
Top dollar being the operative word. Agree with Doc Winston that a players value is what another club is prepared to pay. However his value can also be determined by what price the selling club is prepared to sell. That's his value to the club. For me, £20mill plus add ons should be what we're looking for as a minimum. | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 14:21 - Aug 14 with 3822 views | swan_si |
We need Vipotnik to play as many minutes as possible to try and keep his score ratio up otherwise he's going to look like a one season wonder. I think a bid of £15m and hopefully some good add ons and he's gone.
£20m would be nice but we've got 4 strikers to keep happy. |  | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 15:04 - Aug 14 with 3757 views | EagleEye |
| To sell or not to sell on 08:44 - Aug 14 by pencoedjack |
I said the same on another thread.
Personally (& I hope I am proven wrong) Idah is garbage, if we rely on him to score this season we will be struggling.
If any deal could be done to get Piroe that would be awesome business, I fear his wages at Leeds would scupper that though. |
Not sure that I have seen enough of Idah to pronounce him as garbage. Jury is still out in him for many.
Piroe had 2 x 20 goal seasons with us & one decent season with Leeds in the Championship. He has not played a lot in the EPL. Think we have seen the best of him. He wanted out, not sure trying to bring him back is the way to go
VIP has had one good season so still has much to prove. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we get anywhere near £20m for him, feel he may have reached his ceiling last season but hope I’m wrong.
For the money that we paid for Idah we should be expecting him to click into gear this season. He may view coming to us from Celtic as a set back to his career, so hopefully he will be hungry to prove himself and put himself in the shop window. He is still young, this move is make or break for him | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 15:07 - Aug 14 with 3752 views | Whiterockin |
| To sell or not to sell on 15:04 - Aug 14 by EagleEye |
Not sure that I have seen enough of Idah to pronounce him as garbage. Jury is still out in him for many.
Piroe had 2 x 20 goal seasons with us & one decent season with Leeds in the Championship. He has not played a lot in the EPL. Think we have seen the best of him. He wanted out, not sure trying to bring him back is the way to go
VIP has had one good season so still has much to prove. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we get anywhere near £20m for him, feel he may have reached his ceiling last season but hope I’m wrong.
For the money that we paid for Idah we should be expecting him to click into gear this season. He may view coming to us from Celtic as a set back to his career, so hopefully he will be hungry to prove himself and put himself in the shop window. He is still young, this move is make or break for him |
A brace of goals by Vipotnik tomorrow would really put the cat amongst the pigeons. | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 16:20 - Aug 14 with 3670 views | wwcigne |
| To sell or not to sell on 15:04 - Aug 14 by EagleEye |
Not sure that I have seen enough of Idah to pronounce him as garbage. Jury is still out in him for many.
Piroe had 2 x 20 goal seasons with us & one decent season with Leeds in the Championship. He has not played a lot in the EPL. Think we have seen the best of him. He wanted out, not sure trying to bring him back is the way to go
VIP has had one good season so still has much to prove. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we get anywhere near £20m for him, feel he may have reached his ceiling last season but hope I’m wrong.
For the money that we paid for Idah we should be expecting him to click into gear this season. He may view coming to us from Celtic as a set back to his career, so hopefully he will be hungry to prove himself and put himself in the shop window. He is still young, this move is make or break for him |
Idah has never been a prolific scorer,only scored 20 in a season once for Celtic | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 23:41 - Aug 14 with 3518 views | EagleEye |
| To sell or not to sell on 16:20 - Aug 14 by wwcigne |
Idah has never been a prolific scorer,only scored 20 in a season once for Celtic |
Idah was only at Celtic for one full season and a half season on loan. 29 goals in 76 appearances according to Google. He will find goals harder to come by in the Championship. If we are to have a good season we need him to get in to double figures and stay injury free | | | |
| To sell or not to sell on 17:11 - Aug 15 with 3319 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| To sell or not to sell on 23:41 - Aug 14 by EagleEye |
Idah was only at Celtic for one full season and a half season on loan. 29 goals in 76 appearances according to Google. He will find goals harder to come by in the Championship. If we are to have a good season we need him to get in to double figures and stay injury free |
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| To sell or not to sell on 17:12 - Aug 15 with 3318 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| To sell or not to sell on 23:41 - Aug 14 by EagleEye |
Idah was only at Celtic for one full season and a half season on loan. 29 goals in 76 appearances according to Google. He will find goals harder to come by in the Championship. If we are to have a good season we need him to get in to double figures and stay injury free |
A very good 30mins from Idah today. | |
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